I explain why this knife is scrap + little update

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  • čas přidán 16. 05. 2024
  • I've had a lot of questions / comments about this knife project that went wrong, so I'll try to clarify why it's not a knife I can finish or put out there.
    Also I have a little pre-announcement for folks in the west Texas area.
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    #scrap #blacksmith #knife

Komentáře • 63

  • @johnharris3390
    @johnharris3390 Před měsícem +14

    Your dedication to the quality of your products and the standard to which you protect the Fire Creek Forge name continue to impress. It also shows the true nature of your character. Thanks for sharing.

  • @hmingthanacolney2974
    @hmingthanacolney2974 Před měsícem +5

    We, knifemakers must be among the most honest people in the world. We don't wanna settle for sub-par, a single knife isn't t worth of the reputation that comes with our name.

  • @BadDawg444
    @BadDawg444 Před měsícem +7

    You’ll get it next time! You should see my scrap bucket.

  • @Tenoct91
    @Tenoct91 Před měsícem +6

    The dedication to quality and the long term reputation of your name its remarkable.
    I am singularly impressed.

  • @C_Melvyn_James
    @C_Melvyn_James Před měsícem +3

    The knife may be compromised and therefore not worthy of being considered to "be a true knife" but the man does not compromise his art and is therefore worthy of being considered a true artist. Props to you for only putting your best work out into the world.

  • @brysonalden5414
    @brysonalden5414 Před měsícem +1

    I suspect this video series will end up being extremely beneficial to your business, as it establishes your integrity. Can't put a price on that.

  • @emmanueleferrarotto2986
    @emmanueleferrarotto2986 Před měsícem +4

    The reason for lower melting points is found in thermodynamics: The lattice enthalpy of mixtures is always lower then of the pure components. Or in a more picture-esque way, the lattice structure of the pure iron is disturbed by the carbon and carbide species which makes it easier to be broken up by engery transfer (heat in this case) and therefore it melts at a lower temperatures.

  • @T_B
    @T_B Před měsícem +3

    I completely understand. Maintaining control of a knife that you don't want to risk it being in circulation with your good name attached to, is tough to do if it's not in your possession.
    My offer still stands, with the assurance of "control". 👍🏻

  • @patrickclark6261
    @patrickclark6261 Před měsícem +3

    Keep up the good, quality work! Wishing your ventures the best!

  • @Redstagwsmnp
    @Redstagwsmnp Před měsícem +3

    Can't wait to see your finished knife from that template. Thanks again

  • @davidcanoy8579
    @davidcanoy8579 Před měsícem +2

    I look forward to seeing that pattern take shape in a useable piece.❤

  • @Vikingwerk
    @Vikingwerk Před měsícem +2

    Well, I say that you cut a couple of letter openers out of it at least, something that is clearly not a ‘knife’ just as a memento of the learning experience, and to keep a piece of it because it still looks really cool!

  • @lorneclose7312
    @lorneclose7312 Před měsícem +2

    Absolutely the right thing to do. Reputation in this industry is everything. We work so hard to establish our reputation for quality seling something that you know is comprimised isnt worth it.

  • @kendazley7230
    @kendazley7230 Před měsícem +1

    Great explanation and I commend you for that! Also congrats on the upcoming venue for your craft, you will do well there for sure. To bad I'm in Ohio.

  • @louislarose6613
    @louislarose6613 Před měsícem +1

    This was a lot of valuable information ! Thank You Sir !

  • @thetinkerist
    @thetinkerist Před měsícem +1

    Great explanation, thanks

  • @BluminatiNinja
    @BluminatiNinja Před měsícem +1

    Sweet I'm from the Lubbock region myself! Cant wait to check your blades out!

  • @marie-claudehenrichon3743
    @marie-claudehenrichon3743 Před měsícem +1

    Very interesting video

  • @lowbudgetbob1155
    @lowbudgetbob1155 Před měsícem +1

    It's a cool looking blade no doubt and I'm sure a lot of people would want one like it. Are you going to be making any paring knives in the future?

  • @_BLANK_BLANK
    @_BLANK_BLANK Před měsícem +1

    Was about to mention that carbon loss shouldnt have been an issue, then you mentioned the canister failing
    I think the microstructure would be the biggest issue. But potentially fixable.
    I mean, even with carbon loss. Tbh, i think its probably not an actual issue.

  • @erikcourtney1834
    @erikcourtney1834 Před měsícem +2

    Excited to hear your thoughts with the 304 vs 416 and if you feel the same way about them as I do.

    • @FireCreekForge
      @FireCreekForge  Před měsícem +1

      Yeah, I'm interested to see the difference on the finished process and product.

  • @darraghchapman
    @darraghchapman Před měsícem +1

    Trace it onto cheapo plate if you want a template, anneal, chop it to bits and use it in a cannister project :)
    It's a pain to dump a load of time and resources into something that isn't the end goal you set, but really none of that time or material was wasted, it's just time => experience, and materials => a new material.
    Easy for me to say from afar, but I hope you get what I mean.

  • @jameschristy9966
    @jameschristy9966 Před měsícem +1

    Keep it and use it your self

  • @richardbranton190
    @richardbranton190 Před měsícem +1

    I used to finish blades I screwed up and just keep them for myself. One day I realized I had more knives than the Smokey mountain knife shop so they just go in the scrap pile 😁 beautiful blade to bad it's bad

  • @casketrace6087
    @casketrace6087 Před měsícem +1

    “All hard work brings a profit, but mere talk leads only to poverty” Prov. 14:23. I’m sure its a huge downer that blade didn’t work out, but the knowledge gained from it is and will be a huge asset. Good on you for being an honest and decent businessman. Keep up the awesome work, and may God bless it.

  • @terryhagen2711
    @terryhagen2711 Před měsícem +1

    You will have to try again. You can do it don’t give up

  • @charlesdevous1001
    @charlesdevous1001 Před měsícem +1

    Hey just out of curiousity, do you do custom orders? If so, what are your lead times looking like?

  • @andresjackson9367
    @andresjackson9367 Před měsícem +1

    No practice is wasted

  • @JohnSmith-gs4lw
    @JohnSmith-gs4lw Před měsícem +1

    Sounds like a Sasquatch is trying to get into your shop.

  • @timhorton555
    @timhorton555 Před měsícem +1

    So they weren't failures. They were learning opportunities.

  • @minnesotatomcat
    @minnesotatomcat Před měsícem +2

    So how does it not ruin the steel when making a wootz or crucible billet where it gets so hot that it actually melts all the metal together? And is that knife steel now permanently screwed or could it be broken up and used in a crucible application now?

    • @FireCreekForge
      @FireCreekForge  Před měsícem +1

      The steel is melted in an oxygen free environment, in small crucibles putting glass in protects the steel by melting and floating on top. This steel could certainly be melted down and re-made, that would correct everything. You would then have to control other factors to get a good outcome however...

    • @BCM1959
      @BCM1959 Před měsícem

      @@FireCreekForge wouldn't you want to add some carbon back into it? I am not a blacksmith or metallurgist so I know next to nothing and what little I do know I learned from watching videos. I learned something new in this video.

  • @williammorrin7933
    @williammorrin7933 Před měsícem +1

    Sence you know how to do stainless steel work, could you possibly do the opposite of the san Mai so for example 1080 cladding with a stainless core?

    • @FireCreekForge
      @FireCreekForge  Před měsícem +1

      I don't know, the stainless steel in that case would be quite different than the stainless for cladding, but also I don't understand the why on that idea..?

    • @williammorrin7933
      @williammorrin7933 Před měsícem

      @@FireCreekForge it's a though I want to do eventually for a project for a friend that likes a certain space themed industry that I think a type of knife with stainless steel core with "different" cladding. Thanks for letting me know tho

  • @erikcourtney1834
    @erikcourtney1834 Před měsícem +1

    I experienced a similar issue using propylene instead of propane. It burns hotter and I got a bottle for free so why not try it. Well it worked great and couldn’t tell a difference in my ribbon burner….. until a melted my thermocoupler and the stainless steel hammer with 4140 faces I was making. I set it to weld like I would with propane, next thing I knew the temps stopped reading and the hammer turned into a mess. I jumped into it to fast and should have did some testing first. 🤦‍♂️

    • @FireCreekForge
      @FireCreekForge  Před měsícem +1

      Yikes, yeah I've said it a number of times, when you change one little thing it can change the whole process, but I forgot to follow my own advice, haha

  • @jameschristy9966
    @jameschristy9966 Před měsícem +1

    Jay nealson it if it passed its good

  • @AC-zy9tz
    @AC-zy9tz Před měsícem +1

    Have you considered finishing the knife and auctioning it off as an art project and donate the profits to a charity?

  • @charlesdevous1001
    @charlesdevous1001 Před měsícem

    If this doesnt speak to character and integrity, i dont know what does. Show me another smith,or any tradesman, that will show this kind of humility. Ill wait right here.....keep crushing that steel and doing His will brother! On another note, id still buy that blade for a cool wall hanger or something, and dang sure wouldnt give it away lmao! That pattern is nuts. Cant wait to see the final attempt though man, that is a killer "template"!

  • @DebakulumToughguts
    @DebakulumToughguts Před měsícem +1

    👍 für den Algorithmus

  • @spudhead169
    @spudhead169 Před měsícem +2

    I doubt anyone works for someone who deducts errors from pay checks, firstly it's totally illegal as damages can only be determined by a court or arbitration, it's not up to a single essentially unauthorized party to decide liability in their own favor like that, it's assuming the role of a court and VERY illegal. Secondly, who would work for someone like that anyway?

  • @terenceblakely4328
    @terenceblakely4328 Před měsícem +1

    Frustrating, you didn't explain how that blade would likely fail with that flaw.

    • @FireCreekForge
      @FireCreekForge  Před měsícem +1

      It would likely perform just fine, but that's not the issue ultimately

    • @terenceblakely4328
      @terenceblakely4328 Před měsícem

      So it was a cosmetic issue. A fear that you would be called out by other builders?

    • @BCM1959
      @BCM1959 Před měsícem

      @@FireCreekForge good on ya! I'll add my 2 cents worth. You showed the world that you set a high standard for yourself and quality, integrity, and reputation are more important than money. 10 for 10 would trust anything you bring to market.

  • @thesay5663
    @thesay5663 Před měsícem

    Your OCD and foolish quest for impossible perfection is the same as the reflection Karen Carpenter saw in the mirror… there’s a certain point where the artist can no longer see the value or the beauty in their work and in themselves…. Finish the blade… Keep it close to you, wear it, use it, and let it remind you the perfection isn’t always perfect

  • @Clydes.Shop78
    @Clydes.Shop78 Před měsícem

    Garbage Schmarbage. It doesn’t meet your standards and you don’t want your brand attached to. I get that/I respect that. However, I’d bet that it will last just as long as any of the other knives you make. I mean who is paying a few hundred dollars for these things and then hacking up 2x4s etc. if they are they need to quit.