The Truth Behind Drift Racing - Mythbusters - S09 EP03 - Science Documentary
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- Join us as we hit the road to tackle the myth that drifting is the fastest technique for taking corners. From drifting demonstrations to time trials and full course tests, witness the Mythbusters team delve into the world of drifting to uncover the truth behind this high-speed racing technique. Buckle up as we race against the clock and the myths that surround the adrenaline-fueled sport of drifting.
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Walter Röhrl says that drifting is faster on gravel, snow and other loose surfaces.
However, if the road surface is made of solid material such as tarmac or concrete, then a clean line with as little steering angle as possible is faster!
The thing is with drifting you EXIT the turn at higher speed. Depending on the track drifting can result in a faster laps.
I have 1st hand experience with this question. When I was 18 I started competing in hill climbs in my daily driver - an Alfa Romeo.
I though that drifting must be the fastest way so I left a trail of tyre smoke at every corner.
Problem was that I had the slowest time in my class.
So then watched what the other guys were doing - which was always neat with nothing more than a slight 4 wheel drift.
So I started practicing that and after about 3 months I was consistently in the top 3.
@@Bahamuttoneyeah sure bro 120 years of racing with millions of people involved an no one could figure out what you just said
@@gnutscha Tazio Nuvolari figured that in the ‘30s… but keep thinking that.
@@Bahamuttone phahaha still in the ´30s we got complete different technology than in the 30´s we humans keep evolving pls tell my why does formula, indy car, GTcars, lmp, gokart not drift ? because its faster because tires got much more grip than in the 30´s. The only way drifting is faster, at tight corners with loose or slippery underground, even then too much angle and you loose way more than you win time, ask walter röhrl the best rallydriver ever, ask any racer that drifting is faster an they will laugh at that statement even drifters would laugh cause every little boy who went karting knows that drifting is NOT faster its harder yes but not faster and kills your tires as you see so you probably do 3 fast corners and then you have to change tyres phaha ... and keep your negativity to yourself please and keep thinking about it and you´ll figure it out😘hopefully
"I Drift not because its a quicker way round a corner, but it's the most exciting" - Keiichi Tsuchiya.
This is the best reason for drifting :)
Max Verstappen sees this different. He uses power slides and braking drift the whole time in F1 and he's a beast.
@@alicethegrinsecatz6011 He is not a beast, he just know very well what moment of turning in is enogh to not spin. But he spin also from time to time. What you want to proof? Full drifting is not faster than folllow the apex most perfectly.
beast in this sense means risky. The precise handling involved makes it a beastly risk and therefore a beastly act.
@@alicethegrinsecatz6011 max has been absolutely killing it for red bull, but what do you think happened at Australia? He completely shit the bed in comparison.
Watching this in 2024, and seeing them crash that 240SX over and over again was hard knowing the price of such a clean S chassis...
I just saw one of those on sale, 10k, majestic machine. Not sure about the price though.
Prefect just brings the value of mine up
Yes it breaks my hard a bit, i love jdm cars, and it is in Europe a really expensive car. Why didnt they get a bmw or something there are thousands from
In Europe they are between 15k and 45k euros
@@VosTours I also wonder why they filled those blockades with water. Wouldn’t it have made more sense to keep them as light as possible?
This is one of those ones where you go, "If it was faster, every racing driver would do it". Rally is really the only time it makes sense when you're going for time over style.
not just rally........ all dirt racing....... have NEVER seen a sprintcar that does not drift through the corners
The only reason i could think of track racing does not does this is because it was HARD on tyres.
GT race car drivers and F1 pilots need to preserve tires, that's why they don't drift.
the misconception here is staying at the limit of grip i.e. slip angle. rally cars with 4wd allow for more forgiving slip angle limit that they don't technically drift yet even though they have high yaw rates. F1 drivers also utilize high slip angles especially on technical courses but they are less forgiving because the tires operate in a narrower performance window. slip angle is very important in autocross and gymkhana, the key here is cutting down inefficiencies as much as possible.
I think the truth is somewhere in between. A full on drift might be slower but a loose car is faster. That’s kind of what Adam did.
3:02 "Our drifting instructor today is professional driver..."
STIG???
Some say...
The crossover we all wanted. Who'd you bet on for a power lap time? Adam or Jamie?
@@92xsaabaru- Don't even know, Adam is more impulsive but I think he'd get a second faster if he doesn't spin out.
Some say..................
The Stig's American Cousin!
@@jordanberndt4157 ... and for some reason, he offered me cheese.
Every 14 year old all of a sudden becomes both an experienced driver and theoretical physicist every time a drift video is put online 😂
Ikr
Every experienced driver and theoretical physicist all of a sudden becomes a 14 year old, more like!
"Well ACTUALLY, in my several months of experience with racegame X, these two noobs irl are completely wrong. Enough said"
I'll have you know that my friends, friends, girlfriend is a rocket scientist 😅
your comment is the good one the other is trash who give him a like must be brainless
That's because he's not Fujiwara and doesn't practice 3 years with a paper cup full of water!
26:30, option 3, someone used whatever piece of equipment was handy and smashed the ladder upwards to keep people from climbing it.
sure, if that equipment came from the ACME factory
That guy Conrad can drive like crazy
I would've liked to have seen them test this on different road surfaces: wet, gravel, dirt, and even snow if possible, and see how the results compared.
Mythbusters - Rallye Edition
This is my favorite episode ever, seeing Adam's reaction to himself pulling off a sick drift. I know that feeling and it's pure adrenaline filled joy, if you've ever done it real good you know that particular kind of laugh 😁
For real!! Put a smile on my chops thats a fact!
It's like Jamie and Adam asked the question "What would be the perfect script so that it's fun to watch but feels like 99.9% fun and only 0.1% work to make it?"
I wonder what Conrad’s time was in the last course drive.
Thinking the same thing!
Thanks for the uploads..can't wait for a new episode to drop...makes my day everytime. Please if possible could you maybe please upload episodes from season 1 upwards after this season❤
Is drifting faster?
It depends on the car, the surface, the corner, and a number of other factors, but usually no.
Was thinking that myself. In rallying, where you're on a gravel road with much less grip than tarmac, drifting is usually faster. Because you can keep your momentum around the corner. But even rally cars take a much cleaner style on Tarmac events. WRC's Rally Corsica Vs Rally Finland ("1000 Lakes"?) being a good example.
@Sn0wc4t don't worry, they test drifting on dirt in the next season. I can't remember the result but you can look it up or wait a few weeks for it to get uploaded
and technique. Slow drifting aka show drifting will never be fast.
@@Sn0wc4t In rally it has to do as you said with gravel road but more importantly the AWD car. If the corner is taken correctly and they gain grip as soon as they exit they just launch forward, no steering to bug down the acceleration.
@@macekyuki7660 It has always been faster to drift on loose surfaces, it has nothing to do with AWD. Modern RWD rally cars still drift around corners (and always have) because it's faster no matter which wheels are powered.
Jamie drifts like a *savage* 🤣
That jet flying by looks a lot like a Dassault/Dornier AlphaJet, it may be one of the few civilian operated Alphajets in the US.
Yep. It is.
Holy fuck...jamie pulled an adam and did an accent! 🤯
This last limo drift was crazy if rly it was hes first try like they showed to us xd
Audio getting better! 🤗Thank you for bringing these back.🤗
That honk gag was pure gold
In theory, a perfect car with 100% grip and no under/oversteer is the fastest.
For grippy conditions (think track racing) 5-10 degrees of slip angle is generally the fastest thanks to getting some extra turning in the corner beyond what the front tyres was able to provide.
Drifting is almost never the fastest because you waste time sliding around instead of accelerating/decelerating in the direction of travel.
It's all circumstancial though. Looking at low grip racing (think gravel rallies) you can tell that not drifting at all will always be slower, though it's more like powersliding around.
25:00 looks like an AlphaJet, most likely from H211, which is based in Moffett.
Jump jet harrier design for sure
9:40 "...or is it?"
"Wait, am I watching V-Sauce?"
In the limo, the smile on Jamie's face is a first. Never seen so happy.
I love it that with these all new videos i still can feel like a 10 years old kid watching your things on Discovery Channel. Edit and Energy is still the same, thanks guys
Am i not allowed to drift cars in my studio apartment? 😢
u can with a simulator😂
RC drift cars you can
Mythbusters doesn't recommend it. But check your lease. If it's not mentioned you might be set for a wild time
Not legal advice
not a lawyer, anywhere
Can your studio apartment even hold a car in the first place 😂
Not in a studio that's too small. But a 1 bedroom is okay
Honestly it depends.
On a solid surface, since that's primarily what the mythbusters are testing, it depends on drive train, corner geometry, the straights in and out of the corner, tyre wear/temps, fuel levels, and the driver's state of mind. It also depends on what you're doing.
I'm mostly a sim racer but with track experience from ameuter racing series. And there's a reason in competitive driving we aren't tandem drifting around corners and the only time I see a car sideways on track is when someone's done it unintentionally or in drift specific events.
Most of the time grip is faster. But there are exceptions for specific drive trains on specific corner layouts. an FWD car can benefit from rotating the car early on fast corners by locking up the rear wheels. AWD can benefit in slow corners. If there's a moment when your drivetrain can benefit from rotating early then drift may be quicker. However it's hard on tyres and if you're only going for a single fast time you may benefit from the drift. Over a race, you're going to absolutely smash your tyres and slow down your car compared to grip over the length of the race. Therefore drift is faster with particular corners and drive trains but it depends what your priorities are when it comes to tyre management.
The other biggie is risk if you have other people sharing the track and you send her' into a drift unpredictably. Is that tenth of a second you save drifting your AWD car around that wide hairpin worth the risk to your car as a whole if you want to secure a win? No.
Yeah this seems like common sense to anyone that's tried to go fast before. I have to say though, on a motorcycle in sand or gravel its really no choice. You throw it out or your ancestors frown on you.
I feel like this is the one answer that is actually closest to the truth and explains why properly. Props, pal!
I would love to see a Pro WRC driver like Sabastian Loeb try the course and i bet he would smash it !!
Yeah. I wish we could've witnessed Ken Block do it :( This dude wasnt too bad though. But i think this car is a bit too heavy and with that wheelbase not nimble enough for the tight and sharper corners. You could see on one of the 180s he went in alright but lost momentum on the exit. Im sure he can do better with a more suitable car.
One thing i didnt like about this whole thing (leaving the drifting on paved surfaces argument aside) was that on Adam's drift run he attempted to drift on every corner, even on the ones you clearly dont have to. The point is to do the course in the shortest time possible. Different corners - different techniques could've made for a better time.
Someone from initial d once said braking is actually the hardest skill to master and every corner has only one braking point to achieve the best timing
it hurts seeing an old 240sx get abused like that now, but back then they were cheap and nobody cared...
If drifting was faster it would be part of every day motorsport, traction is what is fast , not breaking traction. Drifting is just showboating , skilled yes, but if it was faster all motorsports would do it if there was any advantage.
Well lets look actually as people as said in other comments it depnds on the surface there driving on and secondaly your comment saying everyday motorsport is kinda dumb as Drifting and Rally/RallyX both are everyday motorsports now and they both involve the profecitency of sliding a vehicle around either a course or stage to get the fastest time overall or to impress judges
Rally has been a sport for more then 50years and it is around the same speed as nascar on actual real world roads.
And they use drifting or the scandi flick as they call it to corner sharp turns and it is all about who is fastest.
is drifting faster?
Well, the faster way for your car to get to the junkyard xD
oh 2015, back when S13 Silvia cost 20 bucks
Miss this show!!!
Once a drifter always a drifter that was awesome 👏 👏 👍 👍
Learning to drift should be part of every driver's ed program. If you can drift you can recover from an unintended skid or avoid it all together... dry, wet or ice.
Most people drive fwd, most people drift rwd. Big difference.
In Denmark we have to try and prove driving on slippery ice around cones or something to get a drivers license
@@samuelgarrod8327yes fwd and rwd will respond differently to power... but an oversteer situation is an oversteer situation. A driver should learn how to control/ at lest recover from one...
@@samuelgarrod8327yes fwd and rwd respond differently yo power. But an oversteer situation is an oversteer situation. And drivers should learn how to control it/ at lest recover
yes @samuelgarod8327 fwd and rwd respond differently at power. Butt an oversteer situation is an oversteer situation. And drivers should learn how to control it/ at lest recover from it
what happened to inertia? what about clutch work - no handbrake? hmmm
All the Drifters even sim drifters(assetto corsa) are proud that their art has been appreciated!
They really did a great job at showing how fun drifting is once you get it down
2006 11 yo and been watching mythbusters on tv after school instead of playing with everybody else. now almost 29 and unemployed. moral lesson interact with others when young lol
I've spent the last 15~20 years with powerful sports cars on tracks, big events, etc. But I've never managed to properly learn how to drift. That sucks, cause I really love this. But I spend my whole session doing 360s when I try to drift.
I don't think anyone who actually races or drifts would ever claim drift was faster..
So professional rally racing drivers are only doing it for style points? It all depends on the context and specifics.
@@sophiamarchildon3998 They're doing an entirely different technique with an entirely different goal than drifting on asphalt.
One is meant to look cool and stylish and one is meant to be fast around a course.
What rally does more is simply sliding around since they never want to sustain a drift. Because it would be slower to do that.
Drift can help to pull on more speed while negotiating a turn, rear tires provides that force to took turns faster while drifting.
rather than putting 45 mile per hour speed limit, test for maximum speed on the same turn, while turning and drifitng.
Obviously Adam won the race because he had more fun. 35:28 That "Yeah" sounded really like he wants to destroy some more cars
Just wanna say the methodology is seriously flawed. The time it takes to complete the turn is important, sure. But as important (and sometimes more important) is how much speed you have going out of it and how grippy the car is at the exit, because the more grip, the better it will accelerate.
In rally, there is insane amount of physics in fast cornering when the road is like ball bearings. Weight distripution, car wheight, where engine is located, angle of the curve etc etc.
technically when u drift a lil, u have additional energy reserve to be used as soon as u get ur traction back, and by reserve i mean whole rotating assembly of engine/gearbox/driveshafts. So basically u get a KERS :p
😂😂😂 the drinks didn't pour with all that drifting
Before watching, I'm gonna say there's no way drifting is faster, as there is more wheelspin so less power to the ground - the whole point of drifting is to keep the wheels spinning. So there has to be a massive amount of "lost" power ie power translating to forward momentum. Now to watch the video - feel free to roast me if I'm wrong.
I despised them for destroying that Silvia!!!
Dude this episode 13years old
S chassis were worthless back then
to me they where never worthless dude!@@xa-1248
also made it worth more, now its a "movie" car (that prolly got crushed some time later)
I despise you all@@leephelipe
Rip onevia
mythbusters made my childhood better
I don’t remember catching this episode.. thanks for the upload.
Preliminarily guess: drifting is slower.
I remember watching this when it aired. For the "final race" they had a drift driver who's race style was "Style points" not time. He wasted so much time putting in fancy point scorers and so lost the timed race, it was who is quicker not who gets the most style points. It didn't prove anything to do with "Which is quicker"
I'm curious how those metrics compare with more modern 4WD drifting like it's used by rally drivers. Rather than swinging the car sideways in wide arcs they're closer to how Adam tried to drive, get the car sliding but use as little or, if possible, no countersteer at all to keep the car level and waste as little energy as possible to get the car back into moving straight ahead.
I miss the playfulness, puns and pranks from the old days of this show. The screaming and laughter too
"my best drifting time was faster than Conrad's because he is a better drifter"
GENIUS 34:05
Man I want to cry for that car.
This is awesome.
Scientifically not drifting is faster. Static friction (not slipping) is about twice as high as dynamic friction (slipping).
As to how a car will perform when it is maintained at a higher rpm thru the turn… I can’t imagine it will be enough to make up the difference.
For a fair test, they should have used the pro driver. In addition to more accurate timing equipment.
Great episode though.
Commenting from 35min of watching, it truly depend on the road condition and space you have to execute your turns. In rally, you can get some very narrow U-Turn to perform and most rally drivers will drift to U-Turn because the space is too narrow for a full lock steer U-Turn. Also RWD and AWD make a big difference.
So is it faster? The real answer is it depend.
You can tell this is an old video no one in these days buys an s13 just to destroy it like that
I swear I couldn't work with Adam
Jamie that you?
Fun video to see again..
- the "non drift timing seems that car is a 4 second per 90 degree vehicle (22 mins in)
- faster corners will still result in about the same time - just with a bigger radius (omega *r - centripetal acceleration, oly moderated by vehicles with downforce, and higher grup at higher speeds...)
Drift racing - anyhow is just a rules based spectacle, it is all car control at the traction limits (seemingly beyond) - lots of power sliding and smoke the spectators adore..
True drifting in other disciplines - means you're overcooked - graduated from static friction onto the dynamic phase - just holding on until "static takes back over" and acceleration really starts again (no power ges to the ground while there is no traction)...
This is one of the myths I can't understand, why it even exist? Maybe because people who never drive in real or a sim-racing will understand that drifting means lose of traction. Traction is that what makes you fast :D The only reason you see cars in rally drifting is, because traction is already (because of the surface) not or not as much as on dry termac, there! And than, even Rally cars do not drift every turn for no reason :D
Movies and games.
I feel like the manually triggered stop watch is not precise enough.
They're testing only a single turn, and as is obvious, the difference is very small. On a longer track with more turns it would accumulate, but on that single 90° it's just inside measurement tolerances.
Something like a laser tripwire should be more on point for accuracy.
I've seen a lot of new drifters somehow couldn't get the grip back in time, so the wheels just keep spinning like crazy while car actually slowing down to the point where the car was almost stop.
38.50 - Adam kissing the kerb as pretty as American History X
(This is comedy!)
Depends on the circumstances. In some hairpin corners, it's faster. On a big road course? Probably not.
that poor Silvia
Sugoi!
So basically you’re not letting the experts do the science HOW SCIENTIFIC!
This could've been a legendary crossover if they got Top Gear to do the myth with them
This is awesome
Hobbyist driver here, commenting before fully watching the video, from my experience drifting on loose surfaces like gravel, dirt and snow is quite a bit faster than slowing down and taking a corner clean, hence why rally drivers do it so often. But on solid surfaces such as concrete, tarmac and asphalt, it slows you down too much compared to just taking a clean line. Im expecting them to find the same results
Edit: disappointed that they didn't do any testing on other types of surfaces
You test just the e-brake drift with an underpowered car with not enaugh grip. A WRX car would be faster, due to the much faster turn in and a huge power combined with 4wd. But this is just e-brake drift. There are also power slides and braking drifts. Power slides use a littlebit more power to cause an oversteering in favour of a faster turn in. Braking slides use braking power with an agressive setup of the breaking balance to the front, highly common in rallye sport, but also use in other racing sports. These cause that the weight balance change temporarly to the front, making the rear lighter an turn the car faster in to the cornor. Both methods decrease the necessary time to align the car to the cornor exit and increase the time to accelerate with the optimal grip to maximize speed behind the cornor. This techniques are hard to master, especially with cars designed for maximum traction but we see it even in the F1. Masters of these techniques were James Hunt, Nikki Lauda and Michael Schumacher. Legends who used it were Ayrton Senna and Juan Manuel Fangio. Luis Hamilton and Max Verstappen are the most talented drivers using these methods even today. This is reason why Max Verstappen is significantly faster than his teammate Sergio Perez because Perez can't control such aggressively tunned car like Verstappen's bolide.
Why it's even a question? Drifting can't be quicker, drifting is for fun, not for speed.
Depends on the surface.
Drifting is faster in loose surface rallying.
If you didn’t want to drift on gravel, snow or dirt - you’d have to go way slower than if you are drifting.
What was the time of this last ride in his car? :D That would be good to compare as well.
they say slip is no grip
And the time of the PRO car? :D Anyway, nice episode, gg
6:10 Someone machine that man a stick shift ornament!
I also agree about which tech is faster, cause I haven't seen an F1 race car drift on a race before
I mean winning on races using drifting
Nice S13 Silvia
I think it's a onevia, painful to see the abuse of it :c
Now that was impressive! Nice work!
Before watching, I had a guess that drifting is faster would be a myth.
Ironically, I found this out from rally game videos by the legendary catty7073. He (or she?) did very minimal drifts in the races, making me question whether drifting is faster than without it.
Anyway, Conrad is a beast!
Professionnal drift teacher saying drifting is slower on a video called : "Le TUTO ultime du DRIFT avec un PRO"
But it's just obvious actually
Welk. Pulling the handbrake is definitely not faster, but MAYBE in some corners just little clutchkick and slight drift would be faster
Full on sideways drifting is very slow, if it's speed you're after you generally want to stick to the basic rule of speed (that nobody ever tells the boi racers who spin their wheels at all the lights...🤣): Any time your wheels are spinning, sliding, or not in contact with the road, you aren't accelerating. That said, the answer is really: it depends, and on many different factors at that.
The physics of it tell us a car does indeed go faster if the back wheels drift in corners of certain angles, but the drift is very slight, a few degrees at most, barely even perceptible from outside the car, any more and you'll just be slower than if you hadn't bothered. The benefits are much larger on loose surfaces, but even though you see those rally cars going full on sideways, they are generally keeping it as straight as they can, it just works out that at that speed "as straight as you can" just happens to be sideways...😁
Y do I hate them after doing this to the car nice job lads
This is not criticism, but the test could have been a little better prepared if you had 2 identical cars in terms of model and HP, but different in terms of racing and drifting, as a drift car is set up to be able to turn corners faster by adjusting toe in/toe out and camber
if i only i could have access to such nice track to practice some drifts :(
Drifting is neither slicker nor quicker. It's just the typical destructive rebellion.
They should have let conrad do a mixed run, keeping the grip and powersliding the 180 turns
As a general rule, if some style is allowed by the regulation for F1 cars (e.g. drifting) and teams are not doing it, it will be slower than what they're currently doing. F1 cars even sometimes skip painting the car because it reduces the weight of the car even though not having the paint slighly increases air resistance - and if you review their choice, they skip the paint depending on the track they will be racing. The paint weights maybe 100-200 g for the whole car.
And F1 teams are already driving the cars differently for qualifying vs race because the race is about endurance of the tires and qualifying is about fastest way to run a single lap.
The drifts have to be done well enough and consistent enough to want them to do it. Also F1 tracks are and cars are designed to not drift. Whereas in rally drifting happens a lot because that is how the tracks and cars are designed to do( well when it makes sense to drift).
@@adamhero459 On dirt having a small amount of drift is good if you have so much performance that you can dig your tires into dirt to increase sideways traction. On tarmac you obviously cannot dig into the ground by spinning wheels.
Drifting can be done without a handbrake btw, you can drift using exclusively your brake and the weight of your vehicle, weight transfer initiations require a bit more skill, but can be done without a handbrake entirely
Slip angle is the fastest way through a corner. Right on the boundary of drifting and understeer . You dont see f1 drivers using slip angle because they have to conserve tires
It would've been cool if they explained Why it's slower :P
the thing is not go sideways, it is more about keeping momentum
Drifting is great for the tires industry
I love this episode~ thanks
first test should have been longer entry and exit and come in at higher speed that would make the time of the corner more exaggerated because it would depend more on how the car is carrying speed through the whole corner