5min No-Win Scenario | Troi and Riker | Star Trek: TNG S07E16 'Thine Own Self' | 4K 2160p, 24fps
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1080p to 2160p (4K) AI-Upscaled From - Star Trek: The Next Generation Season 7, Episode 16 - 'Thine Own Self.' Most of the 'B-Plot' from this Data-driven episode, Deanna Troi is having difficulty passing Bridge Office exam.
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Worf: He would never survive the radiation
Troi: I am aware of that...Troi to Ensign Crusher please report to engineering
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underrated comment......lol
Would you be a dear and insect the airlock?
I was just all teary eyed, but this made me crack up. 😂
Why all the hate for Wesley ??
I gave this order on December 5th, 2006. The next morning 5 Soldiers were killed by an IED. PTSD ensued and I am barely beginning to come to terms with the situation after 18 years. Now I do presentations on PTSD at my local High Schools.
Hang in there, sir. You did what you had to do and your soldiers followed your orders knowing that
I'm so sorry you had to make that decision -- it was the situation that forced it on you and them. It's nothing you did wrong.
I know I'm not in a position to be a bridge officer or to give those kind of orders
Im grateful for your service sir...Thank you
I wish peace for you and all who served. It's too easy to say there are no words. I belive there is a path for you of peace and healing. Sharing your story and thiers is a great thing a strong a legacy. Great not because it is easy but because it is so so hard. I wish you peace live long and prosper.
Riker is so good to her but also he’s so honest. That’s why I love Riker
It's also why he's so effective in his job as XO of the Enterprise. He cares, but he also knows that regardless of his personal feelings his first duty is to the ship and the well being of its crew. Which is exactly the lesson that Troi had to learn to pass this part of the qualification.
@@OptimusWombatI thought his job was mostly handing out ipads to everyone and hitting on new cadets.
@@Ken.- nah, that's a perk but not actually part of the job description.
Never liked him. Arrogant, irrational, impulsive, self righteous and got fat way to fast.
Everyone is talking about the episode and I'm sitting here in awe of how good it looks. I watched this when it came out on a tv that made everything look like minecraft, the pixels were almost as big as a fly. Even the 1080p blew me away but the 4k upscale wow!
It's beautiful isn't it? Just re-release it to a new generation and they won't know the difference.
Back in the Disaster episode, Troi joked that First Officer didn't have many qualifications. Guess Riker got her back for that!
"I suggest you study up for Emergency Procedures" is my favourite if not the most obvious.
"Ensign Kim, if you repair the conduit, you will be promoted to Lieutenant."
Riker is actually very clever here. He can't tell her what she's missing, because that would kill the point of the test. But he drops lots of oblique hints about what is expected of starship commanders.
Very subtle, “You could spend the next month memorizing all the technical manuals in the computer, I still don’t think you’d pass the test…”
“…My first duty is to the ship”
Funny, I thought Rikers oblique hints ruined the episode. If Troi had really solved it herself it would have been a powerful episode, but instead she gets hints from her "ex" and is then able to pass the test. Riker should have kept to his original line of just not being able to help her. Which he should have done if he did have faith that she would find the answer on her own.
Commanders don't have to know everything and have expert department heads for a reason.
Picard holds meetings.
Here is the situation.
What are our options?
Ok thank you.
Here's what I need you to do... Dismissed.
She already knew what she needed to know.
She already did it in disaster.
@@waldowallace9102 You've obviously never served in an organization where making a call like this could be necessary. Part of a senior officer's duties is to guide and nurture those below them, regardless of any personal connection. You don't just chuck them into the deep end of the pool and say "Figure it out". Riker *wants* Troi to succeed, both for her personally and for the good of the ship. He handled the situation perfectly.
As someone who's served in the Army from 1970 to 1990, I never had to "send someone" into harm's way that could, or would, result in their death. This example of the need to do that, even in a simulation, makes me cry...... for BOTH involved.
I remember reading about a very similar szenario during the cold war of which this szeario here might even be based on. It was the K19, the first soviet nuclear sub, equipped with nuclear missiles. On an exercise mission in 1961 they lost the reactor coolingsystem and a backup wasnt installed yet. The Captain ordered the engineering crew to improvise a solution, knowing that he was sending the engineers into a high radiation area for an extended amount of time. They succeeded. But most of the engineers died within a few weeks after.
Double hard for her as an empath she could feel the fear if such an order were given
Nope, she was ordering a hologram. However, you could see her look of sadness as she had to send a friend to his certain death.
@@kennethmelnychuk9737I think they mean, she would be able to feel the fear, which would make the reality actuality having to order a real subordinate to their death twice as hard
@@Erin_J_; I have my doubts that she could “feel” such emotions from a hologram
@@kennethmelnychuk9737 I know that, I meant a hypothetical scenario in the future where she would have to order a real crew member to their deaths.
@@Erin_J_he's pulling your chain
If this weren't a simulation, I believe she would have been in tears.
If this wasn't a simulation Geordi would have known what to do and he would have done it without having to be ordered. Luckily it was not only a simulation, but also a tv show from the 90s
Riker's writing here is so good. Well done. Also the fact that Troi could make Captain before Data, in theory, is insane. lol
Next episode: The holographic family of Geordi sues Troi for wrongful death. Looking for a hard way out, Troi realizes that she is not real, just a character played by some British actress who had never heard of Star Trek before getting the part.
Wasn't he pretty close to sexually abusing a holographic woman in one episode?
She can easily pay them off with holobucks
Sometimes no matter what you do people may die. After all the original no win scenario, the Kobayashi Maru, is about that. It is the ability to make that choice and live with it that makes all the difference.
"I get it now! I have to sacrifice Geordi to win! Computer, start qualification simulation!"
*Immediately shoots Geordi with a phaser*
"Scenario successfully completed. Congratulations."
Lol😊
The quality of the Upscaling looks amazing! AND I just ordered the Box Set Blu-ray for the entire series.
OH dear. Now I'm gonna feel bad I'm not getting to watch the show with this level of crystal clarity. XP
It's too bad that the TOS and TNG remastering projects only went to 1080p, but it's a good thing that AI upscaling from 1080 produces so much better results than starting from ~480.
I wonder what they scanned the film at and if the remaster itself was limited to 1080P or just the release medium of standard BluRay?
I really liked the path of Diana. From counsellor in the weird outfit to great bridge officer. I am still so perplexed why they didn‘t do that with 7of9.. havin Jeri run around in that skin tight outfit may be nice eye candy.. but I much preferred her acting skills and the science uniform really fit her in those few episodes.
She acted those puppies right in our young adult faces.
Yeah they should have definitely promoted Seven over Kim too haha
Troi, later, talking to the others: "... and that's why Geordie had to die."
Data, puzzled: "But could have done the repairs, and survived."
No, stop him right there. Tell him, "I WANT the harder test!!"
There are no radiation suits in the future or any kind of protective safety gear? I think there might be a OSHA violation or two here.
It's raediation® and there's no defense. FTFY!
30 yrs service. I gave that order 2x. I did it myself after briefing my guys what happens if I didn't return. I got shot at but not hit. The 2d time cost a soldier. I made a point to look his wife in the eyes at his funeral and took all of her heat. Our national guard bldg left a dedicated parking spot any time she placed a phone call or wanted a visit for any help about anything. Iraq 2005.
Ok Rebecca but you did it for oil and gold, so it was worth it.
@@mementomori4972 what have you done beeyond spend money you don't plan to pay back?
@@mofo7689 Try again when you're sober, buddy.
The quality of this upscale is excellent. I'd stick with this process and do the whole series :P
"You did exactly what you had to do. You listened when I solved the problem for you."
interesting reference to wrath of khan. bridge officer training now requires that commanders order what none of the TOS crew were willing to do: send a crew member to their death
It wasn't necessary to order someone to their death. They just a put a red shirt in the away team and "boom" insta-death.
beautifully written, beautifully acted, beautifully shot.
Welcome to the Kobyashi Maru, Counselor Troi. 😏
some irony here. as we know, the test is to get her to send a friend to their doom for the sake of the ship. yet, if such a scenario were to actually happen, would the officers troubleshoot through the less dangerous solutions that wouldnt work in time before they knew they had to send someone to their death?
wow, that's amazing, I have to look into topazlabs for sure 🤩
... except that she didn't .. she ordered a hologram to it's death. With so much hesitation over a hologram, no way could she actually give that order to a person ... far less a close friend.
You want them to have her actually have to kill someone to pass the test?
@@OhYeaMista It's only Gordie ... who'd miss him?
Damn this is fine upscaling
Where is the exo-comps, and the remote control probes that we have from other episodes
That should always be the first choice.
"Can you repair the Johnson rod valve locally in the death tunnel?"
Yes, but we could just push that button over there.
"ENOUGH! There is no time. I order you into the death tunnel."
I feel like ordering someone you know is a hologram to a fake death is not nearly the same thing as ordering a real person to their death.
"Sometimes, you gotta roll the Hard 6."
Well, no one ever said being in Command was easy.
Trump did. But he’s an idiot so it really proves it isn’t easy.
He loved Deanna. But he loved the Enterprise more.
Wow it looks nice if this came out on realise like this i would buy it
I think I would take it personally if to pass the tests you had to kill me. Geordi hates that test
You are on a ship with 1000 people, and 24 different species , I am sure there is a Being on the ship that can stand the radiation .
Then she hot drops the saucer section onto Veridian 3
What has always bothered me about this episode was that Troi was on the bridge enough to know the only way out of these no-win scenarios was to sacrifice someone for the survival of the ship and crew. She was standing next to Riker when he ordered Ensign Crusher to warp into the Borg cube as a last-ditch attempt to save the Federation. Her lack of vision to pass this test was very disturbing.
That was different, because Crusher had a chance to survive the mission, and did. We never actually see a situation where someone has to be ordered on a truly unsurvivable suicide mission.
@@sparkyshore3543 How would Crusher survive crashing a ship at warp into the Borg cube?
@@thethomasj1795 he wouldn’t. But no one would order him to do that as part of a rescue mission, because both ships, and everything in them, would be destroyed, including the thing they were trying to rescue. Also autopilot’s a thing.
@@thethomasj1795 also it’s been a long time since I’ve seen Best of Both Worlds.
@@thethomasj1795 and which ship was he supposed to crash? The Enterprise? Because that’s not ordering him to his death as it is sacrificing him along with everyone else in the crew, including the one giving the order. And that makes a difference.
Wouldn't high energy particles disable Jordy's visor at that concentration before he would be able to complete the repairs?
Don’t be that guy man! Live a little and let plot holes be!
I imagine the test is somewhat standardized and automatically inserts the chief engineer into that position in the simulation, even if in reality the details would be different.
What’s Worf even doing there?
Would Data be able to perform the same task without dying? He’s not present here, but if he /were/…
Or it could be programmed with people the participant knows to make it even harder.
High energy particles would bugger up a human's eyes too ... I'd think that a visor used in engineering would be somewhat more hardened to external radiation.
If only leadership today actually selected based on merit instead of cronyism, blackmail, bribery, and nepotism.
I would like to think that Geordi or Data knowing that they could correct the failure, at the expense of their own lives, would do so without being ordered to. That's why I always had a problem with this story arc. Troi wouldn't have had to ordered them to do it, they would have done it of their own accord.
I agree, and also see it as, Geordi may still think he hasn't thought of everything yet, and may delay too long, and it end up being too late.
Being in Command, you have to analyze the situation much faster than others, and because you have different priorities.
So I think this situation isn't unrealistic. Just by asking Geordi if he can do it, was enough for him to come to the same conclusion, after it was pointed out to him.
Yeah but the test designer isn't gonna include people's tendencies to volunteer their ideas or s**cides in the test or it would be a lot less useful as a metric for who has the stones to command.
He tells her he's not letting her take the test again but then she immediately walks down there and takes the Test? No authorization required?
It only counts as taking the test if someone is there to supervise her doing it. Running the simulation without Riker only counts as studying. But then Riker reveals that he was, in fact, supervising her.
The writers could‘ve done so much with Troi, but decided to sideline her in every episode. Why would you come up with a regular character, and then let her repeat two lines for seven seasons? „They are out there“ and „I sense that you’re upset“ is the only thing they came up with.
Having studied at five universities in four countries, I met a couple of psychology graduates from different continents, and none of them were so flat, boring, one dimensional and incompetent as Troi. Even her relationship with her mother never grew into something more than whining and bickering throughout seven years. A housewife in the 21st century would’ve handled her personal relationships better than a psychologist in the 24th century, who serves on a starship, hundreds of light years away from home.
I was eight when TNG was aired in my country for the first time. And I instantly liked the show. I liked all the main characters and I couldn’t wait for them to take me on a new mission every week.
But Troi‘s storylines were so painful to watch, that at some point I thought they‘d have Guinan take over the counsellor‘s chair, and Deanna would meet the same fate as Tasha.
Having met Marina Sirtis twice in the 1990s and at a third convention some five years ago, I can say that her talent, humour and intelligence was completely wasted in the show. I’ve rewatched the entire remastered show on Blu-ray last winter, and I realised that Troi got as much screen time as Beverly and Geordi, but apart from „Heaven“, Face of the Enemy“ and „Dark Page“, Troi‘s part in most of the other episodes, could‘ve easily been completely dropped, and it wouldn’t have influenced the plot in any way. Even in this episode, she acts out in an almost infantile way.
She had more substance, showed more intellect and a better sense of humour in her two guest appearances on Voyager, than over her seven years on TNG.
I'm not crying you're crying
Riker gave in and Gave he answer to Troy. Would he do that for other candidates? Maybe...
I thgink the real test is accepting and understanding you have to give that order in an emergency
Ok. I get that this was to test her command ability in a stressful situation. Seeing if she would order her fellow crew member, her patient and even her friend to his death to save the ship. But for fuck all sake it's the 24th century. Did everyone hit their heads and forget about radiation suits? There has to be a space OSHA inspector around somewhere. I mean seriously, Spock had suit that let chill in a volcano. They've been running anitmatter reactors for over 350 years. You telling me they don't have lower decker who suits up in one every time there is a red alert?
maybe no time.
What I’ve always wondering about this scene is given that she was an empath. How did they give her the emotions that she would have at the time of the crisis? Did they beam Geordie and Worf in or…?
*SHE* made the hard choice? What about Giordi?
"Do it! That's an order!"
"Or else what? You shoot me?"
nice
Quite a B story.
How many Commanders are positioned on each ship? The Enterprise has three, Riker, Tori and Doctor Crusher.
Well assuming a crew of thousand, and three shifts. You need a tactical, science "captain" and XO for that shift. for three shifts that is 9 "command" officers. Assuming that is all the officers you need to fully command a bridge staff.
Pulaski was also a full Commander but I felt like they didn't have the ranks very well thought out at the start of TNG since Geordi moved from Lt JG, to full Lt to Lt Commander by S3. I would say it varies because a first officer may not always be a full commander. There are some discrepancies about Spock's rank, whether he was Commander or Lt. Commander. The following were Lt. Commanders who were first officers/XO: Cavit, Chakotay, Una, Sisko. Burnham, Raffi and Seven were full commanders when they served as first officer. Trip Tucker was a full commander by the end of the series but not first officer. Some sources list Pelia as a full Commander but ranks are hard to tell on SNW because dialog doesn't always match up with costumes. M'Benga is a confirmed Commander. It seems that Sisko was promoted to full Commander when he took the DS9 assignment which may also be an in-universe career path for some. I'm not going to get into the ranks for the TOS movies because it doesn't make much sense.
Riker was business...him and Troi were friends but he told her straight up....
wow yeah, in 4K you can really see where she waxes her stache. cool stuff.
She still failed. You don't get four chances in a life or death situation.
reminds me of Sully. How many tryies did the pilot take to land the plane 17 times, lol
Maybe ask data? He's probably immune to it. But I guess the script said no
I think she should have to know a whole lot more lol
Worst moment is letting her get promoted
NuTrek wrecks all this by having star wars repair droids everywhere.
Is there no other engineering resource that can do it except the chief? Lol
In the simulated scenario, that's also the point.
I’m pretty sure save scumming isn’t allowed on the Bridge Officer Exam.
What, they don't have radiation suits in the future?
future teck anti matter, warp fields. Traveling in space is dangerous. I guess radiation from warp drive there is no defense for the human body.
probably not to that level of radiation. Suits can only do so much.
It's raediation®..FTFY!
@Amann0407 BS. You'd think that with that level of technology, they'd have the ability to shield him at least temporarily. It's a discontinuity and a plot hole. Deus ex Machina, I suppose.
Why test HD to 4K (not bad, btw)? Want to impress me? Take Night Court, Murphy Brown, Fresh Prince, or Jamie Fox Show and "restore" it to 4K. That includes removing ringing, bad 59i that should be 30p or vice-versa. Worse yet? Hybrids. Larry Sanders, for one. Try those.
a US Navy Capt. might have to flood a few departments with crew and leave a few of the crew behind a lock door to save the ship, ship first😐
When I was younger I had aspirations of joining the navy. Then I saw the movie Grey Lady Down .... Still the worst horror flick I've ever seen.
How can one woman be so fine. 😍 You are doing God's work my son.
More so in the movies when she wasn't wearing those horrible wigs.
You’d think Data, Worf, Geordi, or someone else would be able to help her out with learning the materials.
Except the point wasn't the engineering materials. It wasn't actually an engineering test.
Will someone please do this to Star Trek Voyager?
Just the Jeri Ryan scenes in 8K will do...
@@ralphmacchiato3761That works too. I was thinking more of the battles with the Borg.
just keep a transport lock on him and beam him out after repairs ....then replicate some good Canadian Rye and diet Coke
NOT diet Pepsi coz Pepsi sucks ! And yes I can tell the difference coz Ima bridge ocifer burp
Oh, by the way, you actually killed Giordi. How about a drink?
you think Gordie knows that all the bridge officers are killing him? That would make for some awkward toasts in 10-forward.
you think Gordie knows that all the bridge officers are killing him? That would make for some awkward toasts in 10-forward.
Seems weird that Riker has the authority to promote someone to the same rank as he is.
He doesn't promote her directly. He will only pass on the results of her tests leading to her promotion.
Somebody has to administer the tests. He's the 2nd highest ranking offier on the ship so it should be a responsibity of his. But yeah him calling her "commander" is just him saying that she passed and is elligible to be promoted.
“Geordi, I’m not going to order you to do it…but you do know if you don’t, everyone dies…every man, woman and child on board…we all die, including you. And you’re the only one with the skill and technical expertise to ensure it’s done right. I’m not going to order you…it’s a tough decision that you alone will have to make…but I am asking…”
If it were a real world scenario, she wouldn't have time for a speech that long before the ship blew up. She would have to make the decison, and the subsequent order. Though I can't help but wonder why Data couldn't perform the procedure- isn't he supposed to be just as knowledgable about the ship's inner workings as Geordie, just as dexterous, but many times faster and and also, not being biological, would not be killed by the radiation.
@@culthosmythos, it literally takes less than 30 seconds…a minute if you add the extra long dramatic pauses. And the scenario involves Geordi, not Data. Data may be disabled, or otherwise engaged. Also, if Data did the task, it wouldn’t be sending someone to their death, which is the whole point if the exercise.
@@KaygeeAllah She'd still be wasting time, but I do see your point about it having to be Geordie instead of Data because of the weight of the decision and associated consequence. I doubt I personally would be able to pass the test if I ever tried to take it.
That's what Captain Picard did with Sito Jaxa. Although he orders Nella Daren on a mission (that seemed to have nothing to do with stellar cartography) without asking her and it almost led to her death.
I guess they couldn’t have Data as option in this scenario because it would of been cheating way to work around it
Should probably send someone lower rank to their death instead of the chief engineer. Fail.
Maybe Geordi was the only one with the expertise to do it quickly enough to save the ship. Of course, we know the real reason the Enterprise is always sending a bunch of highly trained and difficult-to-replace people on dangerous missions...
Umm couldn’t she have just read his mind and then just say that she figured it out all on her own?
She was an empath not a telepath. She was only telepathic with her mother AND when she and Will were and became again Imzadi.
@@rockbirddog interesting. I could’ve sworn that betazoids were all fully telepathic and empathetic but I could be wrong
@@Mushisamurai she was only half betide. Hence she was empathic.
@@rockbirddog does that mean that full betazoids are 100% telepathic AND empathic?
@@MushisamuraiThat I don’t know. Her mother certainly wasn’t but Tam definitely was both. And then there is the quarter Betazoid that was negotiating for control of the wormhole. He was only empathetic and he and Troj were not in telepathic sync or she would have known right away what he was. He had to tell her.
As a recall, she was required to order Geordie to his death, in order to save the ship😮
Nothing wrong with your short term memory, at least..
Recalled that, did you?
Later they would have had to beam Geordi's corpse out of the tube before it rots.
they should have exocomps with their self-preservation subroutine disabled for this
Exocomps are conically sentient/sapient so that's just murder with extra steps. Use a non sentient synth or something m
hard disagree.
To that I say:
"Consider that in the history of many worlds, there have always been disposable creatures. They do the dirty work. They do the work that no one else wants to do because it's too difficult or too hazardous. And an army of exocomps, all disposable... You don't have to think about their welfare, you don't think about how they feel. Whole generations of disposable people"
God, I miss when Star Trek wasn’t woke. First class storytelling back then.
I never liked that guy.
If Troy was actually an impath, she would have sensed what Riker was trying to tell her...Instead of the childish tantrums she displayed!