Learn From My YEARS of Mistakes
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No I don't have access to a 32mm Sun... YET
"The power of the sun, in the palm of my hand"
As a lighting guy, I was like "of course I do!" and Well honestly yes.... math is your friend when it comes to light, lol
I do it's called a n LED light bulb... now where to get 32mm light from?
@@GreenBlueWalkthrough why do you need a 32mm scales bulb. Do you know how big the sun actually is vs how big vs the atmosphere it is. You are matching lumins not size and distance. Nevermind a 32mm build is easier. Please find that... Then put it .001 mm away...... Oh wait not the same
@@tommy5c it's not 93 million miles away, put it that way. May the jesuit heliosexual model die for good. Oh, wait I meant... heliocentric.
I have been learning from you for years. It wouldn’t be far off to say that you are the reason I bought my first set of real paints. Great channel and great content! Thank you!
Thank you!
"The skill ceiling is very high" is actually genuinely reassuring advice... Coming back to the hobby after a decade, the wealth of knowledge/inspiration available nowadays has been really energizing for me, and you, Jon and Vince have been a sizeable part in that rekindling. I still don't know how the fuck volumetric lighting works, but I still enjoy pushing myself with every new mini, experimenting with stuff I couldn't even consider 10 years ago, and the (conventionally rather disheartening) prospect that there's way more skilled people out there is oddly comforting. I may not be there yet, but I might one day get there if the hobby manages to hold my interest and continues to provide me an escape from the grim darkness of the far flung present...
I hope the hobby holds your interest!
my biggest mistake was conforming to what everyone else was doing. everyone was going for the best detail possible on every mini and was essentially aiming for an award of some kind in the future whether that be a physical one or just a lot of "wow!" from their peers. I have decided to forgo that and just do what I think is lower effort but still good enough for the table, so when I never get to play a game, I'll have painted models for it
This 100%
I've actually had to unsub from some bigger mini painting youtube channels because they will look at a model 10x better than my best and call it trash.
I don't need that kind of negativity in my life.
Yeah, I have found that if I just paint and don't try so hard things generally turn out better than if I fuss on every single detail.
amen to this
Lol me 2
I treat box art like photoshoped models
It's good to see your journey throughout the years and how you progressed piece by piece. I think a lot of people would title the video "Easy NMM" or "How to learn NMM super quick" etc. but this is more honest.
I've been on and off this hobby for the last 3 years. I'm always terrified of even devianting from usual edge highlights approach on everything (games workshop approach/old Duncan videos). I've always contemplated trying nmm to get away from metal paints. But I've always hesitate because my if I mess up terribly, I would have to strip the model and start over. Another things my lack of knowledge of placing where the lights and shadows should be to sell the effect. I'm rambling at this point but as an amateur painter, all of this terrifies me.
You rock scott. One day I'll try to paint gud with all the stuff I learn from this channel, i swear
Don't make promises you can't keep, Eric
Same one day .....
My first nmm attempt was the golden trim on a Death Guard Myphitic Blighthauler...most convinsing wood I've ever painted! xD
Thank you for helping all of us elevate our skills with slapping paint on minis. I now get minis for the painting fun and challenge instead of dunking tyranids in nuln oil so I can play a game (not hating on that either, the prime-drybrush-wash grind has brought me immense joy).
Regardless of the technique or effect I'm going for, I learn infinitely more from my own mistakes than from somebody else's. But it can be important to get an outisde view to be able to identify what exactly is wrong in the first place.
Great vid as always, Scott.
The process of learning is as fascinating as it is frustrating but totally worth it
2 months ago I started painting NMM gold. I started off decently with NMM sword, but even that doesn’t look good in hindsight. Then I had many failed attempts, which resulted in a couple ugly yellow figures instead of actual gold. I kept watching tons of videos on youtube, showing different techniques on how to paint NMM gold. I watched this particular video and I could see that I was making some of the same mistakes as Miniac. But after 2 months, I bought some more ochre, dark red browns and yellow paints, got myself a Sigvald Prince Of Slaanesh and started painting it NMM gold. I got feedback on it, and most people said that it looks like like gold. So in two months I went from painting NMM gold sword and tiny NMM gold details to painting a complex model with lots of details in convincing NMM gold. So thanks Miniac, thanks for motivating me to paint and motivating me to push myself when it comes to painting😁
I really applaud you going through all your steps through the journey, and being upfront about your failures along the way. It is supremely helpful and refreshing!
I'm a beginner. And I made the best decision: my first attempt was for an energy drink sized figure of Tali'Zorah. My next attempt is where my insanity shines. My first, in progress, attempt is with my Necrons. A purple metallic with red shoulderblades. Still looks awesome, in my opinion, but neither reads as metal.
Bad nmm light placement only looks bad to people who are really good at nmm. Also this makes me feel like a terrible painter but also makes me want to try it again. Thanks Scott!
The big eureka moment for me was alternating warm and cool colours, one in the main highlight, the other in the secondary, or vice - versa depending on the surrounding light sources. I imagine what the sky looks like and it guides me. Try only using an image of an atmospheric colourful and cloudy sky as reference for your nmm, I think you will be pleasantly surprised by what you come up with. Great video Scott.
Great video Scott! Loved seeing your progress play out like this, and your editing was superb - the cut in at 11:28 was very slick, loved it
Thanks for your inspirational last words, I'd almost given up on painting NMM samurai swords! Perhaps not the best place to start my NMM journey!
A little late to the party, but here goes. I like to paint. It has been a great way to unwind after work and it feels great to see the final result on the table. I learned various techniques and received good advice from watching and listening to you and other mini-painters on youtube. I am in no way close to the level of painting you presented here, but I do alright. The first time I fielded a fully a painted army at a tournament, it won best painted. My hypothesis is that watching the video you did on the color theory a few years ago helped me achieve that - even if I didn't entirely follow your advice.
I have moved from TMM to an NMM that works on the tabletop - I am still trying to teach myself that every mini doesn't have to aim for a display standard, but that is a different subject. With every batch of miniatures I get a little bit better, and I think you did a good job of highlighting exactly that with this video. As you pointed out, it is important to allow yourself to make mistakes. And perhaps the best advice you give, is the one at the end of each video: "Paint more minis". Put your paint to a brush and your brush to a mini, and keep doing that. Every mistake and every succes you have on every mini is a learning experience if you allow it to be one.
I’ve been experimenting with spending less time in the mid tone, seems to be helping, but where I seem to fall apart is the base coat. Cheers for the advice. It helped.
I love watching these vids where you no your flaws and share them with us, it's seriously refreshing from when i see not just artists but other people having the mindset that they are perfect and have nothing left to learn... and 150 on one model is really responsible, thank your vids I have learnt so much from them.
Great video Scott!! Accepting mistakes as learning opportunities and experience is a hugely important ability when learning a new skill.
Great video Scot! It's nice to see your thoughts and efforts throughout the years and how they've changed and what you learned along the way. Just goes to show that practice really does make perfect and that there's always more to learn in our individual hobby journeys! :)
Fantastic work and then KS for what you do! I still use the same three brushes you suggested in an old video and took your advice to not keep buying different tiny brushes for starting. Keep it up!
I finally understand exactly what NMM is… I’m pretty new into the hobby, like brand new, and have been enjoying a lot of this content. NMM keeps coming up, and I knew what it stood for but now I feel like I grasp what it really is.
All this to say, at this point into my journey into the hobby, I have no intention of putting in those kind of man hours to get good! I don’t think I want to even traverse into display painting, and will just stick with tabletop and enjoy playing the games with all the time I save.
Thanks again
Your videos are awesome - not just great painting advice but great life advice and so much honesty!
Wow! Walk down memory lane! I remember almost all of these videos. Thanks Scott!
long time fan! hell yeah!
thanks for sharing your journey of NMM. it helps others who havent begun their own experimentation with NMM and how challenging it can be no matter how skilled you are.
I have been watching your videos for years and for me, this is hands down the most helpful video you have shot. My journey has been EXTREMELY similar, right down to using that S75 set for all my early efforts. But I am so far behind you, and so inclined to make the same mistakes! If I could start over, I would study Kujo's style first, then move on to Latham's crazy-ass four-point lighting schemes. You got me thinking a lot about the importance of choosing those light points based on the best angles of photography, I had not even begun to contemplate it.
Bro, the quality of your content has gone through the roof! I loved your content before, but now, it’s on another level. Go Scott! 🔥🔥🔥
This is the by far the best and most useful video on NMM I’ve ever seen. Genuinely outstanding. Thanks Scott
Fantastic video. Showing lerning curve is, well ...inspiring. Thanks Scott!
This is a great counterpart to your other "recent" NMM video (Cloud Knight). It shows us the journey while the other one gives us the tools to begin said journey.
Love watching your vids. Cause of you I went back on painting minis and found happiness doing it. PAINT MORE MINIS
Saving this for my painting session this afternoon
"Mess up Gloriously"
Prettymuch the only NMM advice I've consistently followed 🤣👍
Baller content as always, Scott. GG
Like Stone Brew said earlier. you are the main reason i really started to get better paints and ive watched all your vidoes and i hope that your channels continues to grow. i cant wait till next month for the kickstarter that my wife got for me for my birthday this year to show up! Cheers Bro!
Nice to see you return to semi regular videos again Scott 👍🏻
Great video! Thanks for sharing. I have only been painting for 3 years and I still find NMM really hard to grasp, so I am glad that I still have some time to catch up. I think that it is a great idea with videos like this because it is all too easy to think that you guys did not practice for years to get were you are.
I love these honest videos
s for this video Scott. It has helped me to see where I have been going wrong with my own NMM attempts
When I began painting my Necron army I made the decision to learn how to paint NMM through it. After more than an entire year, I have around 30 minis done for the army, and every single one feels like it teaches me something new, or gives me the opportunity to make a new mistake. Really satisfying making a timeline of the 30 necron warriors I have painted in NMM, and seeing the improvements.
I'd love to see the progression!
I literally just started painting like a month ago. For some insane reason, I started painting BECAUSE I thought NMM is such a cool painting technique and I really want to learn it. It has been a month of pain thus far.
If you start your painting journey with NMM, then that is like never having played video games before and jumping straight to COD campaign and playing at the hardest difficulty. I can only wish you good luck with this endeavor. I started painting NMM 2 months ago, but before doing that I had figured out how light reflects, what paints to use, how to do smooth transition, layering and decent enough brush control, but I have also been painting for a couple of years.
the end takeaway of letting yourself mess up is really important. it is with any skill, but especially art, since it is really so low risk to mess up and you learn a lot from those failures
Thanks for sharing your nmm journey with us. Not long before I decided not to use metallic paints anymore and up my skills with this technique. Though my results are far from perfect, I'm more happy with each painted mini and find this style of painting as one of the most entertaining things in the minipainting hobby
Man this is perfectly timed, I’ve decided I’m going to pick up some storm cast eternals for display only and paint them in NMM. Kicked around with a few test minis and I’m ready to really get into it.
Great video. I think it would be really fun to see you paint up the same model twice but one with metallic paint and one with NMM. I sometimes see NMM on minis and think it really doesn't look all that great, think it would be really interesting to see a really good comparison done on two models with great paint jobs.
Great video. I still have a lot to learn !
I can't wait for MMM 2023: Miniac finally loses his sanity trying to MMM Sanguinius
I didn't realize this would be about just NMM, but I'm not mad about it. I really appreciate the retrospective on your journey. I haven't tried it yet, but I feel comfier with the idea of it now. Thank you. :)
Every time I need a painting jump start I go right to your channel and start getting inspired. Sometimes I go a little too long without painting and I come across your videos in my feed…and all I want to do is paint! I appreciate your ongoing transparency and integrity. I look up to you so much as a creature, business owner and artist! Your the reason I continue to slay the gray ;). (Haha just kidding. That’s not your slogan❤️) but seriously….you and ninjon are the main reason I continue to PAINT MORE MINIS!!!
Hell yeah, Christopher!! SLAY THE GREY, BABYYYY! ;)
Thanks for sharing
Great video!!
I've been watching You for some time now. Really apreciate how you talk about going through the proces and beeing ok with making mistakes. I myself am a little bit farther then the "Banana boys" level with gold nmm and doing a little better with steel nmm. And i to started with the same darren latham pictures 😅
That video was excatly what i needed now and it gives me a lot more patience and energy to keep on going. Maybe before i'll die I'll manage to get somwhere closer to the intended effect 😆
Thanks again and keep doing what You're (and some of Your colleges) doing.
All the best from Poland :)
Getting a decent-looking NMM effect with acrylics is legitimately hard. It takes a ton of practice to learn how, and each time you do it requires a lot of time to get right. Nobody should feel bad if their first attempt, or first fifty attempts, don't work perfectly, as long as there's gradual improvement. I've been trying for years and still can't reliably pull it off.
Great stuff friend 👏 👍
I'm trying NMM on minis that have little metal parts, and avoid using it on minis that are mainly metal... Good to see this video of yours. Cheers.
Thanks for this as for my eye you whent from dull metal to cartoony video game effect metal to beginner mid matte NMM... As for me have not tried TT NMM yet as have been struggling with brush control and learning my paint/brush... But in my pixel art I use itt all the time and I have 3 levels of NMM. 1. just the true tone color and sell the NNM with the context. 2. a few highlights just to show the surface can reflect light these range from just dots//streaks aof color to abstract shapes. 3. Full on reflection with a filter over it.
just got my first Kolinsky sable brush today. I am excite
Ive been painting minis on and off for years and still havent tried NMM yet, ill get round to it one day haha,
your recent works are beautiful!
I really like the 1st gold attempt. Although, I agree it didn't turn out as NMM particularly well. It did turn out like a really great Aztec style painting. So the result you got could be transferred to another fun technique especially for Native American themed minis.
Such a good video!
thank you!!
FRICK YEAH MY GUY
THAT WAS A HELLA INPSIRING VIDEO!!! AND THE GROWLS AT THE END? LET'S GOOOO!!!!
Hope you're doing well, Scott
Thanks for the inspiration 👊
This is a fantastic vid. I learned a lot. Thanks for your honesty. I'd say you've arrrived..!
I haven’t even attempted NMM yet, but I definitely want to attempt it and TMM as well. I have some models I don’t care about to practice on but need to get some time into doing it.
The tip with less midtone is exactly the answer I was looking for.
I can understand the appeal of NMM, but find myself drawn to TMM. That said, this was an excellent place to learn about how NMM works, the challenges involved, the craft and skills used, and the experience level required to make it look amazing. Oddly enough, I just watched a TMM video of yours within the last couple of days, so it was great to be able to compare and contrast the two approaches. Thanks! Awesome as always!! ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
This was such an inspiring and interesting video! Love how your NMM has evolved. I’ve been trying to improve my metallics work since last year, and while I’m still far from being amazing at it, I’m super proud of how I’m improving. I actually tried NMM gold in my latest video, since it’s something I hace nearly zero experience, and it was my best attempt to date even if not 100% realistic. Can’t wait to continue experimenting!
Thank you sir
Thanks for this vid, it has given me a lot to think about. My NMM efforts have been a very hit or miss affair which has affected me wanting to do it more often. One thing about NMM I have noticed and didn't take into account early on, was the viewing distance to the mini; unless you are super skilled with blending the closer you view the fig the less convincing the technique is. In plastic model building there is the saying "it's a four foot model" meaning it looks great from a distance, I think this applies to the NMM journey and you have shown us and that through practice and perseverance the viewing distance will become shorter over time. Cheers. ps I thought Morbius was a steaming pile.
Really good.
Wow - I'm so excited to get going with NMN now ;)
Great video. My NMM is -1 your Blood Angels experiment but I find the process has been fantastic skill-building in general. Something about really focussing on selling the effect helps distract from how much brush control and light sourcing you're doing. It's like the wax-on, wax-off approach to building core skills. :D
Very useful advice.
I've been thinking recently, and especially after your last TMM video that a combination of TMM paints and NMM techniques may be the perfect marriage. At least in my preference of how it appears. Also wanted to say I've been following your channel for years and you've never failed to teach me something and put a smile on my face in the process.
I love to hear it! I think I was kind of going for an NMM look in my last TMM video, maybe a bit less of the secondary and tertiary highlights and shadows, but I think you're right! Combining the two is really awesome.
I'm at a stage where I like my recipe for gold and steel, but the highlight/shade placement is lacking. I think the point of how much or how little midtone should be showing has really helped. Every time I try painting in NMM I always learn something new, so I'm eager to apply this to my next model.
I've gotten one fairly decent NMM done but I've only been painting mini's for 2 years and have plenty to still learn
In the end, a model is a canvas, a miniature is a miniature, and real metal beats fake metal every time.
Hi Scott! Your videos are outstanding and have really helped me become a better painter! Would you consider making a video on how to paint some convincing carbon scoring like from a directed energy blast or a burned-out tank hull or building?
I might sneak that one into a video where I paint a vehicle or some kind of mech because I think it's a little too specific for it's own video, but I suppose that's still a yes!
thank you for making all this mistakes so i can repeat them myself
i guess my Nmm is about at the same lvl as your first one.. Good to get some pointers on what im doing wrong!
I have a hard time with blending. So I still use metallics lol. Watched ya beginners guide to painting several times. Blending and highlighting is beyond my levels lol. I tried lighting making a glow from the end of a Klingon engine and ends up looking like a very glossy candy corn.
I have, and still often refer back to, that Eavy Metal Masterclass book. It's a treasure trove
One of these days I'll be able to unsee the water droplets that get on the table in the intro XP
I have pretty much given up on nmm after trying it on and off for years. Seeing this vid I really fancy another go cheers.
I learned NMM (or at least tried to), but it remains quite difficult. I've got the colors for gold figured out, yet my metals and silvers need some refining. And that's just the colors, I haven't even looked into proper highlight and reflection positioning. That said, I am happy enough with my results, given the time I'm willing to spend on them.
In the end NMM is just another skill we learn over time, it wouldn't be fun if we instantly could do everything perfectly. Better to spend the time learning and painting more minis ;)
The thing I would like the most is for people to drop the realism requirement of NMM. TMM is also not a realistic metallic finish. We accept it because it's "metallic paint" but that doesn't guarantee realism. As long as you know it is meant to be metal it is fine.
IMO: The key to NMM is reflections. The highlight might be big, or small, depending on the relative size of the light. The midtones also can be big or small depending on the environment. The thing that makes metal look metallic is that it picks up any light that bounces off a surface. Turning NMM doesn't break because when you rotate a model the specular reflections shouldn't move - it breaks when it hits an angle where you don't see any bounced light. The lights on NMM are imaginary and when you turn it they are just different imaginary light sources in a different imaginary configuration. This is why Sergio Calvo just adds a bunch of imaginary lights to whichever angle he happens to be working on. More lights is better because higher complexity overwhelms the brain.
A 32mm sun is just the sun, btw. It is so far away that the difference between a miniature and a human is the tiniest fraction.
Been warming up to the idea of trying out nmm, and was going to try it out on a commission mandalorian piece. But… now I think I should just stick to plan A for the commission. Lol
I would like to see a similar video, but about doing metals with metal colours. I would like to get some armies done and the technique in the video is of course the best in the business, but I would say 90% of us normal hobby painters would not like to lose parts of our soul doing one miniature. Hope we will see something I would like to see. Thank you for doing these videos dear sir. 🙏
This is a well produced video that reinforces that I just don't like NMM as a technique.
Metals in the real world don't all look the same, so worth pointing out in my opinion that some of your earlier NNM you don't like actually looks good, reads very much like a real metal object might depending on its surface finish and the lighting conditions, and you don't have to paint in the same style as the current trend either! For instance not following the shape of the mini perfectly with the highlight doesn't stop it reading as metal if you did the NNM effect well enough, it just looks like there is a reflected more concentrated light source at the right angle to push that highlight - which may be a reflection from their weapon, the sun through a narrow window etc.
I feel doing this will forever be out of my reach due to my inability to imagine space. Still a lot else to learn.
I actually haven't tried NMM even once, despite being active in the hobby for almost 4 years now.
Not necessarily because I find the idea daunting (I've painted traditionally and digitally for decades, and the general concepts are the exact same), but because I always found it to look off on 3D models - it always seemed cartoonish to me and that just is not my style at all.
HOWEVER: Some of those examples you showed there towards the end of the video really blew my mind a bit. I think I'll actually have a go at NMM on a display model some time.
Thank you for 17:40 ! It's almost a weekly routine for me now!
Keep at it, my dude!
I haven't even got the confidence to try NMM yet! I've been watching and learning about it for a while but know I'm no where near good enough yet
I may have missed it, but is there a link in the description for Andy Wardle? That Dorn made my jaw drop.
I love the nmm effect, it's so hard for me to sit and get the blends right. Any tips for speeding that up? Have you done any tests of starting darker Vs lighter or starting at mid tone and shading both ways? My best nmm attempt was a Captain America shield for MCP and I basically did my base colors then painted some random shadows and random highlights in pure white and almost pure black and then glazed those cones back towards the midtone. My cones were slightly different shapes but not different in brightness and next time I do that I think I'll take that advice from this video and vary up my highlights a bit in not only shape but also value.
Also your Gwenevier paint job is so good it made me want to paint that model and try to copy you
Not even anywhere near any of it. To afraid. Takes more talent than I have life left.
7 years!
A technique ive still be too scare to try. Inspiration aquired