Sinn Féin: What went wrong in the 2024 local and European elections? | Newstalk
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- čas přidán 10. 09. 2024
- What lessons are there to be taken from Sinn Féin's poor showing at the local and European elections, and what do they need to do to ensure a better performance at the general election?
Pat Kenny is joined by Terry Prone (The Communications Clinic) to discuss.
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They didn’t listen and that’s disastrous for a party. They ignored and showed complete disregard for what the people were saying. They had it in the palm of their hands and decided to go WOKE. End of story
Absofuckingly correct 🇮🇪 long live the indigenous peoples of éiRe 🇮🇪
Yup 100% why I don’t vote SF
@@AS-cw6td I agree totally , wanted to be accepted by the elite, forgot you have to keep battling , Mary Lou is a disaster
We voted Brexit and as far as I’m concerned we’re still controlled by EU
They gifted these seats to the government. Now they are in real trouble because they have lost the core vote, granted that core is not woke, or pro immigration.SF have completely lost their way. Independent Ireland will wipe the floor with SF unless they wake up and come out for what is right and not left or right.
Sinn Fein are called traitors because they're supposed to be a nationalist party who follow the ideas of Arthur Griffith. They completely abandoned that.
HERE HERE
Also they have zero honesty
The Ideas of Arthur Griffith?
@@patrickcullinane7461 Yes, the founder of Sinn Fein. Just look up some of his quotes. He'd be called far right nowadays.
@@patrickcullinane7461 Well here's an early interesting "idea of Arthur Griffith"... Griffith initially proposed a dual monarchy, where Ireland and Great Britain would have a shared monarch but separate governments, similar to the arrangement between Austria and Hungary. This idea was influenced by his work on the parallels between Irish and Hungarian nationalism.😉
What went wrong for the Shinners? - the Irish people got wise to their bluster and nonsense, that's what went wrong for them!
And what's wise about voting for Fine Gael or Fianna Fail
@@michaelclarke431better the devil you know I suppose 😝
No, Sinn Fein went extreme woke. That’s what did it for me.
Mary L had as a sister now a trans man so she thinks she knows it all. She may now Look like a man but she has the brains of a woman. That is that,!
Sinn Fein after getting so close to power in the last general election tried to gain some respectability by going after the middle class vote. They did this by mirroring the coalition government's stance on open borders in the hope that the globalist/pro EU crowd would vote for them. In doing so they turned their backs on their usual voter base, the working class, who are always a majority in most countries and so they shot themselves in the foot. Absolutely delighted for them.
If they had sided with their own people they would have dominated this election but now people and their families who have voted for Sinn Fein their whole lives will never vote for them again. Epic failure.
They where never anti-immigration, people projected what they wanted sf to be not what they where, if they go to far anti-immigration they will put off the other side of there party
Sinn féin is an open borders party for the last 20 years
Epic failure is right, I voted for Sinn Fein for forty years, now they are an anti-Irish, Anti-Christian party of Marxist dupes, I will never vote for them again, they are the problem.
SF were never anti-immigration, if you look at what they have been saying for the past 20 years, they have been full on open borders globalists. In 2019 they tried to pass a vote in the Dail which would have reversed the Referendum result on not allowing birthright citizenship. If that had passed our country would have been flooded with foreigners popping out babies who by virtue of just being born here would have been deemed Irish citizens. They are dangerous Marxist charlatans. Make no mistake, if they get into power, they will look to import half of the Palestinian population into Ireland. If that happens, our country is finished.
Q.E.D. 👏
Opposition oppose....they didn't!
They didn't know that flying the rainbow flag outside their offices disgusts many citizens
Most!
Hear hear tubedoode 👏
It's just such a big No No to so many people who are tired of all this never ending Trans stuff ....
@@sbbinahee lol whatever
I always voted SF, but when Mary Lou said that men could get pregnant, they lost my vote forever. Woke bs.
I live in Australia, where did she say that?
She is correct because you can change your gender
yeah her knowledge of Biology is absolutely NIL obviously was a dud in school
@@jamesokeeffe3216She mail a speech in the Dàil calling for abortion rights for transgender people 😂😂😂😂
Right with you there
For me the arrogance of our local sinn fein councillors put me off them completely. They ignore entirely what people want and do their own thing.
They are acting like it’s a bad thing to want to live in a safe country…
Newstalk deluding themselves again about Simon harris
How does pat manage to drag trump and American politics into a discussion about Sinn Fein doing badly in Irish elections?
Because he's talking 💩
He'll be crying into his soy latte when Trump gets in.
Trump rent free in Kenny’s head 😂
We call it Trump derangement syndrome. It's an effect of a week or drugged mind combined with social media.
@@michaelmcgaugh1469Pat has the personality of a dead slug.
Terry Prone never mentioned immigration once. It’s their stance on immigration that did for then. How can a so called expert not see that
She’s Too scared to head into that cul da sac, for fear of leftie hatred ….and of course losing her occasional 10 minutes on the television
Selective vision..
She's no expert 😔
WHAT
Went WRONG, the Youth of Ireland have seen through the WAFFLE.
That they have a Wonderful Country which the People worked Hard to bring to the Standard's that we Have today.
And they don't want IGNORANT so called Politicians spoiling it for Future Generations.
Thats the TRUTH
Unless you're wealthy, what has Fine Gael or Fianna Fail done for the average person in Ireland, they've made their lives much more difficult, that's all they've done, those so called politicians should have been voted out long ago, but the people of Ireland will never learn, they keep voting the same parties into government and complain about them afterwards, how sad
If rushing through a town clutching a half-eaten ice cream is what people are looking for from our political leaders well then we're in serious trouble!
A party that distances itself from the flag of the nation is doomed in the long run.
Long run? I think not. Instantaneously more like!
I've been eight times to Ireland (first time when I was 4-ish with da and ma in Roscommon), Later travelled through all counties. From Donegal and Galway to Mayo, Waterford and Kerry to Meath but for some enigmatic ('virtuous' ?) reason they've decided to destroy their country, their traditions, culture and the future of their children. It's beyond bizarre. The last time I was in Eire it has become unrecognizable. Insanity !?
I dont know maybe talking about abortion rights for trans men!
They're 'for the birds'..😅
How is Enoch Burkes (380 days in prison for not using pronouns) father asking questions of simple Simon because he has no other recourse funny? Enoch is a political prisoner. Cass report England debunks the trans stuff and also makes it illegal to trans kids under 18, well done England.
Well said
Enoch Burke is a noisy fool who has inflected martyrdom on himself. The people I feel sorry for are those who have to put up with him in Mountjoy.
The country was sold out by Gareth fitzgerald to nato in 1983 when he met Helmut Kohl in bonn. Put it under secrecy for 30 years, the irrational irish and their want of neutrality was discussed as was the use of the troubles to remove the territorial claim to northern Ireland. So that we could join nato. In 1997 that plan was fulfilled.
Interestingly the UK/Nato see no such resolution with Ukraine.
Sad ---- very sad and frightening.
Clowns here😢
M C Donnell wearing her Muslim clothing ..a NO NO...
Where was this?
That was a Photoshop. They got you
It was not a photo shoot she did a speech
Any evidence of that?@@StarSprangledBanner
@@philip6868 Where is this?
She’s part of what’s gone wrong. Hypocrites all.
Snob
Have people forgotten that the shinners are revolutionary Marxists first and nationalists second? The people of Ireland are moderate people and would never ever vote for Marxists.
Mass deportations, period.
The governing coalition parties have both done well, so you can get that idea out of your head.
Stop your money being paid to them
@@neilmcbeath954with the refugee voting block
What you All want the removal of all Irish
@@barrychallomoner8250 Where have you identified such a mythical block?
Mary Lou said after the referendum when they didn't get the result they wanted when we get in charge of government we will hold another referendum until they get the answer they want like the Lisbon treaty,thats bullying
Pat "Squatters Rights" Kenny.
Sinn Fein lost their base when they fell in lock step with the established party policies.
That is what happened.
Sinn Fein has lost their nationalism largely, they were fiscally left wing but the socially left wing ideas, most people are beginning to grow tired of or outright despise. I believe Mary Lou has a brother who thinks he is a woman, if true this ridiculous notion is largely dismissed by members of the public relating to the Trans issue in Ireland.
Sinn Fein made their living bashing the British, but the way Ireland is changing so quickly, the Brits are not the problem. Sinn Fein are history.
The Brits still control part of Ireland. Irish Republican parties do have a role, it’s just a pity Sinn Fein have gone full scale woke on social issues and immigration.
SF The Greatest Replacement Party got what they deserved
The visceral hatred of Trump is hilarious….as if Biden wasn’t a crook too.
Has Biden been charged with any criminal offence? Hass he been convicted of any criminal offence? No and no. So how is he a crook?
Joe “Obama” Biden is one of the greatest slime balls of all time …up to his neck in it …as is all his family
that's just mainstream media and academia, regular and well informed people love Trump
@@marcsassenach7993
Are youon drugs😂😂😂 you cant be well informed and not be appauled/ammused by Dumb Donnie.....
I’m not American but it is fairly obvious that Trump has the intelligence of a postage stamp. Biden is just old. Neither of them should be running for president.
Mary Lou is far too much of a woke middle class Dubliner for the current climate in Ireland. Sinn Fein need someone from rural Ireland to lead the party, who understands the grass roots.
Yes, exactly.
Leave the EU
🇺🇲
Traitors
SF should team up with the greens now, both are completely bonkers 😅
Their stance on immigration may have had a lot to do with it.
They betrayed their followers
They did betray but in a roundabout way their followers have gained a valuable lesson about Trust & Due Diligence.
they ignored the Irlsh People who are clearly not in favour of open borders..
Pat Kenny the Lord Haw Haw of Ireland
Exactly what I think 👍 What happened to him after the war? I think. He was hanging
You mean William Joyce. Buried in Galway City.💗
It's not that Sinn Féin Voters are Racist as some commentators are stating at present.
It's the fact that the Working Class are the People who have to compete for basic Services against the influx of immigrants .
Fianna Fáil and Fianna Gael Supporters tend to be better off financially.
This is why Sinn Féin failed.
Only one candidate knocked at my door from the SD party for local elections and none for EU elections. I would have voted for Fine Gael or Fianna Fail in the past but never again.
Quite how is that relevant to what happened to Sinn Fein?
With Sein Fein, you get promises, promises, promises, not much else
Mass immigration.
What do you expect from an opposition party? Sinn Fein are hardly in a position to enact legislation.
@@neilmcbeath954 12% of the vote, and "change starts here". More like a comedy show 😁
@@BrokenHill56 If you look across the Irish Sea to the UK, Reform are polling at 12% and their supporters are already hailing the seven times unelectable Nigel Farage as a future Prime Minister.
Ireland once had the black and tans now it's just black 😅
They need to change their attitude towards immigration.
What went wrong is McDonald I can't believe that senior republicans in the North are allowing her to destroy the party.
She is their creature. The 'foot soldiers' down here don't have any say in the matter.
Mary Lou Macdonald leads Sinn Fein like Nicola Sturgeon did with the SNP. No one was allowed to question or contradict the leader. There were no robust governance of the SNP's finances and look what happened next. It would not surpise any one if there were the same governance issues with Sinn Fein.
Sellouts .....SINN FEIN MOTTO-(WE CANT BEAT THEM WE'LL JOIN THEM )
I will never vote for SF again
Sinn Fein in name only. No resemblance to the heroes of the past. Today they're playing with a label.
Well for one saying that SF would make us vote again on the status of the family referendum who was comprehensively defeated only a few months previous was a catastrophic error in my opinion proving that they cannot accept the result of a democratic vote
Completely agree, went straight against the basic principles of democracy.
Nothing went wrong, we europeans just want our countries back
Mary Lou never listened to the core base of supporters on what they wanted. Completely ignored the issue of inward migration to Ireland, which seriously affects the working class, of which I am one. Unvetted, undocumented economic migrants. She was very quiet on major issue's that seriously affect the lives of ordinary people. Her stance is Woke, without a doubt. Shin Fein were not credible opposition, which was exposed time and time again. In short, Mary Lou should now step down. She has her own agenda, not the agenda of the people she purports to represent.
Well, it seems registering migrants to vote, bussing them to polling stations, having interpreters on hand at the polling stations (electoral interference ?) to "help" them to vote has paid off handsomely for the establishment parties.
They will be caught wanting in GE as the migrants can't legally vote & the Gombeens won't take the big risk , they are Now people who can't see past their noses
Exactly, it’s completely wrong. Irish non residents can’t vote in countries like New Zealand and Australia . Also the Irish abroad couldn’t cast a vote in the referendum or recent election but a non resident in Ireland could.
Only half the electorate went out and voted that's the problem.
Pat has an irrational hatred for Trump …..a really childish position
Come on now, Trump is nothing but a blubbering spoilt man child. I’m not American and I don’t care which party wins the presidency. Both sides should put up competent candidates.
Because of the leader and she has to go. Pearse Doherty should be leader. Next General election will wipe them out otherwise!😮
There’s constant talk of building 50000 houses a year. FFG and Sinn Fein basically agree on the figure but does any of them ever ask. Who are we building them for?
When half the electorate are still licking the holes of FFG then what chance do we have in the general election
It is called "the will of the people". Given that the election was called using PR under an STV, nobody can claim the results are not fair and accurate.
What chance is right when you can bring in half the world and give them asylum or international protection even though they didn't have documentation and then you turn and give them the vote there's some cherry on the cake
Woke much?
It wasn't funny. Funny for the Burke family
They are traitors
"what went wrong " ????
Nothing
People are sick of the BS and voted against it.
Mary Lou - "Out Out Out " - I hope she enjoyed her career
Great at giving us the problems we all know. Never hear a solution from them. They went left and took the wrong direction
Delighted for them. Let's hope it's the same in the next general election.
Radio O'Brien. Plank discusses with Terri who trains politicians how to tell lies.
Sein Fein didn't listen to us , now Sein Fu-ked. 💪🇮🇪💚
PAT THE PLANK 😏
Wouldn’t listen to there own Irish people obliviously it back fired
...SF Mary Lou stated - "You cannot Limit Numbers"
Poor Mary Loon McKneecapper.
😂😂😂😂🎉😂😂🎉
SF needs a shake up as if they go down road they can change their 2:43 manifest
SF: the people want FFG lite with more migration!
People: ehhhh no.
Blaming the government for their failing. The independents stole the kings clothes😅
Will The Irish Natives be forced to take up arms against their leadership parties?
They are gone, shame on the lot of them, by,by,don't come back not be welcome
Vermin keep looking out for outsiders over the Irish
Huge difference between voting a local to the council and electing a government. Harris carrying on like he was elected to the job when his party just cobbled together the bare minimum for a government by people elected on 4th and fifth count its a complete joke .
Irish citizen have moved on from sf
SF constantly engaged in negative politics, and Mary Lou showed no humility when she had made false accusations in the Daíl.
Disband SF.
Mad Luch? More lke intant retribution. But how did Niall McConnel lose?
step aside pat and we will listen to someone not made of wood how about an immigrant so we can enjoy diverity
With a clear xenophobic alternative on the ballot paper the Shinners lost 2/3 of the nominal vote they had this time last year. It will be interesting to see what 'reset' instructions are sent down from Belfast.
Joe Biden should learn from Harris 😂
im in australia so im fairly removed - but in the odd article I would see I would often see Sien Fein MP's with rainbow flag.
did they end up going full woke? how did they think that possibly would work
with all the immigration problems in ireland. catholic (although thats a sticky wicket too). it just seems mad.
but generally - the news coming out of ireland seems like its an absolute mess
Poor pat TDS victim for years!
Only Pat Kenny can see Harris as an energetic politician 😆
Dreadful party. We need them out in the north too.
Still i hear far lefties talk. Its the 2nd plantation is a big concern. SF had alot to do with this. Also politicians money for them lets ignore the irish people. WEF and EU USA all doing this to us.
Great they were defeated 😅😅
Harris won the race😅
Excuse me..I may be missing something here. True to say that no european election results are still not even in yet from Ireland..(all other 26 member states have their results counted and posted).
But what precisely has Simon Harris done for Fine Gael? How many FG candidates have been elected in LOCAL and in EUROPEAN elections?
In fact what has S Harris done for Ireland or its people? Let us not forget that he is an unelected Taoiseach, plus appointed only after no less than 15 counts by own peers🙄!!
What message can there be for USA Joe Biden - Democrats or Trump Republicans?
Let's stay focused on trying to resolve some of the "chaos" in Ireland .
Simon is a big Flash in the Pan , his own town of Greystones sent some Independents forward in Election as did quiet a few other Wicklow Councils and one doesn't cross a real Wicklow Person and not live to regret it , they are all in the long grass up there and Simon will reap what he sowed by sending the riot squad in .
Journalists? Don't you mean commentators. Paid and aligned with by the prevailing narrative. How I would love to see the passion of journalism expressed unfortunately what we have is an argumentation of government. This country has a problem. It's fundamental it's insidious It's subtle but it will be exposed and lanced like a boil ☘️
Voter apathy. Total failure of Sinn Fein to jump on the main problem facing this country. Governments failure to only accept the number of immigrants to be accommodated in houses built and financed by the EU. It is insanity to take in people if you have nowhere to house them. Sinn Fein should have been lambasting the opposition for agreeing to take in so many people without the necessary accommodation to house them.
Nothing is wrong. Europeans just got them right. 👍well done!
They said the quiet part loud and were found out..
Terry says the electorate are very smart, really Terry? They just gave FG a massive vote, how smart is that?
Remember they allowed half the world to enter without documentation and then gave them the vote and that's the problem there straight away it was fixed from the start
Did they give them any bigger vote than they already had in Local Councils, which until people started asking questions, it wasn't something one would have known or had interest in , ie I live in Galway I wouldn't have known the make of Donegal or Cork or any far away Council. As for the electorate being smart , I think they are smart when something is to be gained rather than research the overall well-being of our Country & fellow citizens.
Shin Fein did not have enough buses, and vans to deliver enough illegal immigrants to polling stations to vote for them. Maybe if they met them off the boats and plains and told them who their indebted to. Maybe enough of them will vote for them next time.
Sinn Fein got 91 seats nationwide and in Waterford city and county council they gained seats.
So the media is lying? Legitimate question. I’m a yank, but deeply supportive of reunification; how did the workers party fair?
It's a slight improvement on their bad local election in 2019, but they only got half the vote share they got in 2020 general election. They were polling over 30% last year. In that context it is a very disappointing result of about 11% and their top people acknowledged that already. Workers party gets very little support from voters.
@@michaelharnedy So besides Sinn Fein are there any leftwing parties that succeeded in the Republic, or are they all just neoliberal compradors and right wing fascis? Sorry; I just have higher hopes for the lands of James Connelly.
@@michaelharnedy So are there any parties besides Sinn Fein that are left leaning that succeeded or are they all just neoliberals? Sorry if I’m being annoying; I just have really high hopes for the lands of James Connelly.
@@michaelharnedy are any leftwing parties having success besides Sinn Fein? Or are they all just neoliberals?
They definitely didn't win hands down love your interview
Sinn Fein lost my vote with their constant virtue signalling woke non sense.