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- Will Sinn Fein and the DUP impact the general election nationally? We answer your questions.
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In our weekly listener questions episode, You Ask Us, Finn McRedmond and Freddie Hayward field your questions about how the election is being fought in Northern Ireland, and share their predictions for which parties will win.
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Sorry, but that was a bizarrely skewed description of Northern Irish political parties. Labour don’t stand in NI because the SDLP (social democratic and labour party) is their sister party. SDLP members attend the UK Labour conference etc. And yes, the SDLP is more a nationalist party than anything else but the their two MPs turn up in Westminster (and are likely to vote with Labour on most things) was worth mentioning.
Plus with the DUP in disarray, greater mention of the UUP and TUV was warranted.
Plus Alliance is on the rise
@@archmeasterjackimer6217I guess that's what she meant by "the emergence" of Alliance, although most of us laughed because they've been around for 54 years! I particularly remember John Alderdice. The Alliance were the Liberal's sister-party, and I remember seeing him as a guest speaker at party conferences in the 1980s.
I think ,that when you talk about northern Ireland .You need to have a understanding, of whats the place is about .Every day .There is so many layers to northern Ireland .The way, people go about there lives .The UK and northern Ireland .This, We need to talk about Northern Ireland .Done very well .To explain ,to what is going on .In this, part of the UK .People see a flag and get .All British ,in this day and age .Like weakness .And bonfires .
3:40 that women hasn't a clue! Emergence of Alliance? They have been around for decades! The New Statesman *must* do better if they are to be taken seriously on this topic.
Yes that is the correct term, they _emerged_ because they have only recently become of relevance.
@@SirAntoniousBlock Alliance is very important for allowing a subset of Unionists to pretend they aren't part of the problem.
@@stevenwilliamson6236 Yes and this is a recent development, up till now most of them were quite proud of being part of the problem.
Oh look, sectarianism. Slow hand clap for you. You're doing orcs work. @@SirAntoniousBlock
@@djohnston6856 I'm not doing anybody's work, I'm merely stating facts about how it used to be.
Opening sentence: "... on the mainland". You just lost a huge part of your Northern Irish vote. Ireland is just as much an island as Britain, next to the mainland of continental Europe.
Do not ever refer to Britain as the mainland. Your asking for trouble.
Great Britain is mainland UK?
30% of Scotland, Anglesey and Northern Ireland are in the UK but not part of the main land mass?
I think she's on Rathlin 🎉
@@danielbentham758 Ireland and Britain are separate Islands. One does not belong to the other.
@@danielbentham758 There is no mainland. NI is in the UK but bot Britain. Britain does not own Ireland.
Had to laugh at "the emergence of the Alliance party". Founded in 1970, and when I was in the old Liberal party in the 1980s- early 90s, we knew it as the Liberal's sister-party over there.
Why don't you get someone who has more than a infantile grasp of Irish politics?
If we had PR parties would focus on winning voters wherever they were rather than only marginals. They'd also not be terrified of spooking a tiny minority of voters in marginals.
What mainland are you referring? Our mainland is continental Europe 😊
Gibraltar is the capital of the UK now?
Certainly not predictable in several constituencies, including my own North Down and neighbouring Belfast East. Also South Antrim and Lagan Valley are not easy to call.
@6:20 Northern Irish Politicians?? The Anglo-Irish Agreement, signed in 1985, was an agreement between the United Kingdom and the Republic of Ireland that aimed to promote cooperation between the two governments in relation to Northern Ireland. While the agreement did not explicitly address the issue of individuals in Northern Ireland being able to choose their national identity as Irish or British, it did acknowledge the "right of the people of Northern Ireland to identify themselves and be accepted as Irish or British, or both, as they may so choose."
This provision recognized the dual identity of many people in Northern Ireland who identify as both Irish and British. However, it did not explicitly grant individuals the right to choose one national identity over the other. The agreement focused more on political cooperation and promoting dialogue between the British and Irish governments in relation to Northern Ireland.
The issue of national identity in Northern Ireland remains complex and continues to be a significant aspect of the region's political landscape. The Good Friday Agreement, signed in 1998, addressed the issue of identity and allowed for individuals born in Northern Ireland to identify as Irish, British, or both, in line with the provisions of the Anglo-Irish Agreement.
Why Finn McRedmond? She hasn't a clue!😡
This is really really poor. If you're going to talk about NI, get someone from NI in, don't just ape it! No mention of the UUP which will likely take South Antrim; Alliance described as emerging when they're roughly as old as the DUP.... and that's just in the 5 minutes before I turned off.
If someone has been writing extensively on NI politics, they should at least know that the word mainland is offensive to many.
Do Sinn Féin still refuse to take up seate in the UK parliament?
Yes.
Yes
Sinn Féin would take up seats in a Parliament but will not swear the current standard oath of allegiance which is set out from the Promissory Oaths Act 1868 in the following form:
I, [Insert full name], do swear that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles, his heirs and successors, according to law. So help me God.
Currently as NI is the least effected area in the UK over Brexit because E.U protocols remain in place happily as it is also part of Ireland .No mainstream party in the UK are speaking about this as they are also playing down Brexit in the general election overall .Starmer wants to keep the status quo and IMO seems to be a monarchist so downplays all conversation about Brexit and NI In the long term this will come back as a major issue as the majority in Ireland ,as it stands , will vote for Irish unification .
Democratic deficit is an interesting phrase in an NI context too.
Description of the whole place until quite recently
@@daraorourke5798 apartheid is the word I use.
Sinn Féin would take up seats in a Parliament but will not swear the current standard oath of allegiance which is set out from the Promissory Oaths Act 1868 in the following form:
I, [Insert full name], do swear that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles, his heirs and successors, according to law. So help me God.
Currently as NI is the least effected area in the UK over Brexit because E.U protocols remain in place happily as it is also part of Ireland .No mainstream party in the UK are speaking about this as they are also playing down Brexit in the general election overall .Starmer wants to keep the status quo and IMO seems to be a monarchist so downplays all conversation about Brexit and NI In the long term this will come back as a major issue as the majority in Ireland ,as it stands , will vote for Irish unification .
Sinn Fein support seems to be collapsing in The Republic itself.
Curious that isn’t the case in The North
Why?
It is effectively an overseas Province. Represents only 3% of the UK.
Why not talk about Devon and Cornwall?
Yes. That's the point the majority has been making since the 1920s, while the state twiddled its thumbs. Why does NI exist at all? Rational thought would have revealed that the idea of creating a semi-detached political entity for foam at the mouth lunatics was a bad idea. And so it proved.
Because it's time to stop occupying it.
I think you can survive a single video on the topic .
Edit oh my mistake the topic lasted about 4 mins.
@@PatOfTheRick of absolute garbage
It's never worth it to canvass for the Tories .
The American debate genuinely have me one of the worst headaches of the decade
I suppose actually mean Great Britain
But who can say....
Little Britain
Yes, but, I know but....
The main land mass in the UK yeah which Northern Ireland and 30% of Scotland isn't on
@@danielbentham758 Have you ever noticed that they often use Britain when they mean the UK? The UK has been around for 200 odd years whereas Britain was only a country for 70. It's indicative of the view that the UK has behaved despicably there and wants to pretend it didn't happen.
I like a lot of the New Statesman content - this was not a good take on Northern Ireland. Alliance has even had MPs before now just as a for instance. (From England, love Norn Iron).
Irish unity it's the only solution for brexit!
Indeed. Stacey Dooley did an episode of her show which was much better than this garbage called WTF are the DUP.
As someone who lives in the north, this analysis is insultingly shallow and so basic. If you’re gonna do this video then do it properly. We already know people in England don’t care about us so no need to rub it it.
The ‘mainland’ !?!!!?!? WTF!?!?
Mainland UK? (the largest land mass within the UK is Great Britain) Northern Ireland, 30% of Scotland and Anglesey aren't on mainland UK
@@danielbentham758 ok hun.
@@MichaelDowds1986 don’t understand why you’re getting triggered by facts
@@danielbentham758. The use of the term ‘mainland’ is not a fact.
It’s a deeply political choice.
Your wilful ignorance of the significance of the use of language is just plain silly.
Also, let’s get into nonsense hyperbole. I’m not ‘triggered’. Either engage like a normal adult or keep schtum.
Poor video imo
The mainland ? What's continental Europe got to do with it.
Largest land mass within the UK is Great Britain? 30% of Scotland isn't on Great Britain neither is Northern Ireland or Anglesey
A problem is that local journalism is tamed and mostly exists as a press release publishing service, while GB journalism hasn't updated is understanding and assumptions past about 1999, which is in evidence here.
The idea that this UK general election is a predictable sectarian split is utter nonsense and has never been less true.
You could do some actual work and not just re-report local media positions.
Yeah, because Northern Ireland is guilty in all the failures of Labour party. Such a beautiful place, have you been there? Or are you interested in it only as a part of the election? Are you going to incite there unrest again to then "solve" it, you know England used to have problems with Scotland only before you.
Mainland? Mainland Ireland?
Why
I like this channel usually, but God you do such a bad job when it comes to Ireland. Why not pick a decent journalist like Fintan O Toole?
You must be able to find someone better to talk about northern-ireland, time and again northern ireland cant be mentioned without a meta narrative this is a big problem for the media based in the "mainland "
SDLP; The clue is in the name. Social Democratic and Labour Party. Why Labour, although it organises in NI, won't run. The SDLP MPs will take their seats and generally support Labour in parliament. Proudly anti Brexit and egalitarian in outlook. It is a member of the ESP and has a good relationship with Irish Labour and the TU movement. It supports the creation of a New Ireland based on the principles of reconciliation. Key founding member John Hume
John Hume , a great human
Thanks for covering Northern Ireland. Yes, it was very simplified but it was clearly aimed at people who know nothing about the political parties there except that there's a sectarian divide (no excuse for the "mainland" blunder, but it was one word). As someone who knows a fair amount about these parties, I thought it did a decent job of that. Talking about every unionist party, or about the historical link between the SDLP and Labour, would have been too much detail.
^
what about belfast east?
Alliance Gain without a doubt
Alliance has been around since the 70s but they are a Unionist party. I am four minutes in and this is very bad indeed.
I gave up at 6 minutes - this reporter appears to be based in London
Alliance is not unionist. We just want to use the devolved institutions to their fullest potential. A vote for Alliance does nothing to the union, it neither weakens it nor strengthens it.
I don't know which video you were watching but obviously not this one. She discussed at some length that the Alliance party are neither unionist nor nationalist.
@@archmeasterjackimer6217 This is the same union that spent 30 years murdering its citizens for wanting to vote? After creating an apartheid state and then letting thieves run amok?
@@kicorse Yeah. She's not correct. That's the point everyone is making.
In terms of Starmer, he was head of the DPP and I heard him boast about what he did during the troubles, which essentially was to whitewash the crimes of the state. He got Lee Clegg off, for example.
Lee Clegg was wrongfully convicted and the conviction was overturned. That isn't getting off, it is justice.
@@GOGS-zg7rd Is the death penalty the standard punishment for joyriding in the UK? The original trial said that as he Clegg turned and fired a second time that there was premeditation. The defence was that as a UK soldier he'd never had a thought in his life. Seems like a weak argument to me, although.... If the Sun campaigns for your release that is an obvious red flag. Starmer seems very chummy with army goons from what I hear and he has ruled out a border poll already. Yet another reason to be suspicious of Tory Plan Zee in my mind.
There's the example of Blackman too. The guy literally recorded himself planning and carrying out a murder and they let him off because he was a bit down or something. If you are weak, your officers should medically retire you, rather than letting you away with murder. He clearly expected the other people there to cover for him, which suggests that this was commonplace there.
@@stevenwilliamson6236 The original trial evidence was flawed, hence the conviction being overturned. If courts overturning a conviction doesn't mean anything to you, were the Birmingham Six also still guilty? I don't think so, but you might. BTW, those six would never have been freed if it hadn't been for a media campaign.
@@GOGS-zg7rd did the Sun campaign for the Birmingham six?
Choosing not to take a position. In cases of injustice if you remain neutral you are siding with the oppressor.
Brit Sh1te
Foff f Wangerland
The United Kingdom of Great Britain, and the Irish people united.
The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is the name of the UK
Freddie is such a honey. A lot of the gays want to ride him like a stolen motorbike.
😦
Eeew...keep it in yer pants mate
You're not wrong...