What Happens After Medical School (Australia)
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- čas přidán 3. 07. 2024
- This is a video about the pathway forward after finishing studying medicine in Australia. You can think of life after medicine in terms of Post-Graduate Years (PGYs). The traditional pathway is as follows:
PG1 - Internship
PGY2 - Residency + The Choice
PGY 3ish-8ish Specialty Training
PGY9ish - Fellow
PGY10ish - Consultancy
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Hi there, I'm Syl. I'm a final year medical student from Sydney, Australia. I study at UNSW but am based in Sydney Hospital much of the time. I'm just starting out in the CZcamsr space. I would love it if you reach out with feedback or suggestions!
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This information is quite accurate with only a few corrections.
It is not necessary to do several years as an unaccredited registrar to get onto competitive surgical specialities in Australia although you are indeed correct in saying that a significant proportion of people do end up doing unaccredited jobs for a few years before finally getting onto the program. It is possible to apply in PGY2 and commence surgical training in PGY3 (that's what I did for ENT).
Secondly, a fellowship year is where you usually travel internationally (USA /UK / Canada are the most popular destinations) or interstate (although some people with families and who are unable to travel occasionally do their fellowship locally but at a different institution) and do SUBSPECIALITY training in a particular area of interest within your surgical field. People often go for 1-2 years. It's not actually a year where you build up your patient base because more often than not you are abroad or interstate. It is a year where you acquire very focused surgical skills in your area of interest (I did a Rhinology /Skull Base fellowship and also a separate Facial Plastics fellowship).
Most people do not go straight from registrar to fellow. Once you pass your FRACS exam and complete your final rotation you are a consultant. Some people never do fellowships and become a "generalist". E.g. General ENT surgeon. Those that do go on fellowships usually have a 6 month gap (at least) where they work as a locum consultant (and try to save money) before going abroad on fellowship. This is because most US and UK fellowships start in September /October whereas we graduate from training in Australia end of January.
Thanks so much for these clarification - I will pin this comment. If you live and Sydney and want to talk about life as an ENT and the training program on my channel - send me an email and we can organise an interview!!
Wow that's amazing. Considering the average time that people take to get into ENT is PGY7, you must have been a superstar. Would you happen to have any tips for surgical aspirees?
With CV inflation ever growing, I imagine the average time to get into any surgical specialty is only going to keep going up
@drsly Just found the video and it was such an informative video, especially for an img like me trying to get into australia( to know how it works for the australians normally). Thank you for this.
@k9tran: I have query for you regarding your speciality. ENT is my dream branch, and i know getting into it especially being an img from india is super tough. Could you please provide some insights on how to achieve it? Is it possible? I have cleared my Amc 1 ( standard pathway) , and will be moving to australia soon. Any information would be really appreciated. Thanks in advance
@k94tran
This is so helpful as a first year med to sorta see where I’m going and think about my future career. Thank you!!
I’ll be with you till i achieve my dream
I'm a Pharmacist thinking about going to medical school this really helped. Subbed :)
Oh that’s great Zoheb. I’m thinking of doing more study videos so be sure to keep an eye out! Thanks for the comment and feel free to suggest any ideas
Great video mate, loved the information . Could you please let me know the outro song, really boosted my serotonin levels
Thanks so much!! Aah I wish I could but I just used a free license background music tune on CZcams studio and I’ve lost the file since uploading - sorry mate!!
Thank you very much for such an explicit explanation, it really helped me understand my next step in life .
Thank you for commenting Sean! Wishing you the best for the next stage and let me know if there’s any video in particular that could help!
Thank you so much, hope to see more videos
You’re very welcome Laila. Let me know what kind of videos you’d like to see!
@@DrSyl Thank you for your kind reply! I am going to sit for Gamsat next March. However, I would like to see all motivational videos associated with Medicine study which makes me enthusiastic on this goal.
I wanna see more whatever you like to show us :)
Kind Regards
Laila
@@DrSyl Also, if it is ok to fit in-would be nice to see how to balance social and family life while studying medicine!!
Is there any tips or advice you have?
Much appreciate 😊😊
Can you please do a video on tips for narrowing down/ exploring specialties in med school (and eventually junior doctor years)? :)
Yes I've spent so much time trying to do this video (most important decision of your life) but I find it really hard haha.. I reckon it needs it's own course! (Which i may make one day!)
Great video. Found the info really helpful. Does one have to make "The Choice"? Also, what happens if you don't get accepted into the speciality that you want to get into?
You can apply as many times as you like and to multiple specialities at the same time but you can only apply for selection once a year. I know someone who successfully got onto ENT surgical training program on her 11th attempt. However surgical specialities are the most competitive and her case was an extreme example.
In most cases people have a plan B and after a few attempts may choose to apply to another training program that is less competitive.
Great video . Can you explain the pathway to become a medical College faculty after post grad instead of becoming a doctor ?
What other specializations (such as urology, as you mentioned) would take few years working as an unaccredited registrar before you can apply for the speciality training? Or is this pretty standard for most specializations?
pretty much standard now unfortunately
Thank you so much ! And what are the steps for doctors out of Australia and are willing to do the residency in Australia ?? Any exams ?? And what are the requirements ??
Thank you !
Hey Ahmed, there’s a channel called the career doctor on CZcams and he specialises in international medical graduates! Definitely check him out he’ll be able to help :)
Thanks for the comment Ahmed I really appreciate it!
Do you have an idea of what choice you're going to make? If i had to guess, i'd see you going down the bpt path?
Ha I do like the idea of BPT but it's currently at a 3 way split between public health, ED and psychiatry! I'll do a video with the run down one day! But yea people don't often pick me for liking psych but it looks great!
What happens if you don't want your sleep fucked with? I had upper airway resistance syndrome (similar to sleep apnea, consists of solely RERA events) for over 10 years and don't want anyone interrupting my sleep ever again. Talking as an intern here. Also what do you make when you're a registrar?
Very informative video. How important are marks in med school? Do they affect what speciality we’ll be able to pursue?
Not at all!
And how much does a fully qualified doctor make once schooling and interns is finished
Is the length of time as an unaccredited registrar affected mainly by popularity/competition of the speciality. Is this also affected by grades and scores? I’m currently doing my undergrad in Pharmacy, hoping to become an anaesthetist after med school. Thanks!
Yea exactly it’s all about competition. Sounds like you’ll have a great basis for specialising in anaesthetics. But it is definitely considered a competitive speciality in australia
Hey man, does Australian hospital has toxic/malignant environment among the healthcare staff? Such as shouting abusive word/bullying from specialist/senior medical officer towards PGY1/PGY2. These culture are pretty common in south east asian hospital fyi
Hey Dr Syl, I have gotten a medicine offer in the UK, but I really want to work in Australia. However, I am not going to reject that offer now but would like to come to Australia at "the choice!" stage (after doing my FY2 training/ resident year). I am a little confused as to how I can do this (btw I am an international student in the UK too).
Is it true that internships are harder to get into for int students?
Is internship in Australia same as clinical rotation in medical school?
hey mate, I am a Monash University (Malaysia campus) , 5th year student and can you guide me for pgy1 and how difficult. would it be for me to get a internship?
Why is stipe miocic taking about medical school?
Sir, is it possible for imgs to get into surgical specialty training after gaining the general registration?? Is surgical specialty is a big no for imgs???
Hey, just came across this. I’m an undergrad student doing a double degree in arts and health sciences in Australia, is post grad a lot harder then undergrad or similar?
So it takes 5-10 years on top of med school to become a neurologist?
Yea. 3 years undergrad 4 years post grad 2 years intern residency, then 1-2 years as basic physician then neurology training 4-6 years depending on how you go with exams etc
Sounds like lots of time but you can’t focus too much on the end goal, you have to love the process!
I really wish medical education and medicine wasn't so time consuming I would think it would take about 4 years to see nearly every case within a particular specialisation I could be wrong, this idea of drawing something out for just for the sake of it seems futile and unsustainable for those who work in the profession.
Hello
Im registered nurse with 6 years experience and want to be a doctor. BUT I suppose I have to start from the beginning.. any advice. Im following all your videos
Video content is great but music is ANNOYING
Do Doctors still only get 1 x week of “patient care” and no nutritional training?
Is it still heavily focused on big pharma, more so than assisting the body to heal?
Since Covid, all working doctors have had to give up their ETHICS as well. or just ignore the science. That must be a very heavy burden to carry day after day.
There is a BETTER OPTION which I do hope you will have the COURAGE to take young man. You can be the kind of doctor people ‘pay well’, or you can be a ‘kind’ doctor of ‘well people’. You will be asked to make a choice and when you do, please consider. Your patient is always your highest priority then Do NO HARM.
ALL DEGREES /DIPLOMAS and qualifications are the start of learning. I wish you a life you earn and deserve
Well said! Most doctors are silenced now and are shills for poisonous big pharma. I hope he makes the right choice.
I’m planning to do my Anesthetist Residency in Australia. Is it a competitive residency? What are the ratio or percentage? And do IMGs have a chance?
I saw the Dr hasn't responded yet so I thought id tell you what I know (i'm a final year medical student). Anaesthesia is very competitive not as competitive as surgery but still very competitive. I dont know the ratios but as an IMG you would want to start working as a doctor in Australia as soon as you can (for example as an RMO), that way you can start building references and working on publications, teaching, presentations ect to make you CV more competitive. The websites of the colleges will have information on what is required to apply and selection criteria (eg CV scoring).
@@003halmr Thank you. I'm a 3rd year medical student. I plan to work in NT so I'm scoping the process