My Full Discussion With Dr. Michael Brown On False Prophecy
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- čas přidán 20. 02. 2024
- In this video I have a full and frank discussion with Dr Michael Brown on the subject of prophecy and in particular false prophecy. Sometimes the connection was cutting out so I missed things he said during the discussion and there was a lot going on so not everything was responded to on my end. It was a really good discussion. Michael Brown was really open and candid and I think this discussion was edifying for both of us and hopefully it will be for you too. What was unique about this discussion is that neither of us are cessationists and so the discussion focused more on how people receive prophecy and whether or not a true prophet can give a false prophecy.
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For those who disagreed with me hosting Dr Michael Brown, you are free to have you opinions but you should watch the video and see what was said before you jump to conclusions. I think it was a huge thing for him to come and subject himself to such scrutiny. He let me push him pretty hard. Not many people are willing to do that. I would do it again in a heartbeat. I strongly disagree with Dr. Michael Brown on some things but his books on evangelism to Jews are second to none, his commentary of Jeremiah is really good. His debates with and against James White are awesome.
I'm not a DMB fan neither. But why not have him have a say. There is other issues with any 'teacher'. E.g. What Gospel do they teach?
Who are the chosen people? It helps to know what the right answers are there. The NT-Text does give them abundantly, though.
Keep it up brother! You challenged him, you did not just give him a platform to teach your audience, so I dont see a problem here.
I agree Caleb, fantastic interview/debate! I just think he, like other charismatics, missed the theological boat on many things. It fascinates me that man like Dr Brown knows soooo much about scripture in its original languages yet gets so many things contextually wrong. I’m far from a biblical scholar but a lot of what he claims is nails down a chalkboard to me. I have to check out the debates with James white because I can only imagine the corners brown puts himself in that debate.
@@christclinger6540 It's not only charismatics that 'miss the boat'. Me/We also do that pretty often and one needs to acknowledge this. Well, and I have to say that Cessationist seem to be in error on a more fundamental level by limiting what the present spiritual gifts should be. They limit it to humane normalcy. I do believe that God will give more than that and also that the the normal human gifts of teaching, administration, charity will be different in substance when they are given by the Spirit. The error of the charismaniacs is however that they see anything extraordinary as 'spiritual' regardless of the actual origin thereof. No testing of the Spirits, no scrutiny as long as it pleases the emotions it must be from God. Well, that would be too good to be true. And it isn't. What both camps also miss is that the Flesh must die with Christ so that we can live in the Spirit. Otherwise the world and the lusts of the Flesh will take over again. And they can be very deceitful, although this also will include clearly wrong stuff. The issue is already with the Gospel and also what it means to become 'Abraham's' seed. Both camps are often wrong on this. While they affirm traditional teaching to some extent, they also are prone to be 'Zionist' with the charismaniacs and baptists being more dispensationalist on the matter. With the Protestant/reformed folks it's more postmil/amil views. Simply assuming that everything will be fine as long as people only become nominally Christian.
The irony is that the way out of this is in principle rather simple, but there is great resistance to walk that route in practice.
This Michael brown fella may seem as wise as a serpent and as innocent as a dove. But he is not as what he seems to be. Just exercise discernment!!
Ive seen Michael Brown speak in person. I have said repeatedly that I was raised in an NAR church, back in the 90s they fell hard for the supposed "Pensacola Revival" (this was prior to the Todd Bentley revival in Lakeland). Anyway, Michael Brown worked alongside the Kilpatricks promoting this train wreck. False prophecies were made CONSTANTLY. None of it came to pass. He spoke at my church on one of the ocassions. I dont trust him. He never repented of his involvement. Somehow, he manages to wash his hands of all heresies he has been involved with
You are right.
he’s too busy with his several ministries to research whether he was there or not. many good friends and brothers in the Lord cannot confirm or deny if Dr. Brown was in pensacola.
@@kevink9938There are vids.
Exactly this.
@@kevink9938Did you see him screaming fire? Do a little research & you'll find it.
The Bible teaches that a true prophet is 100% accurate
amen brother
Correct, otherwise we can’t trust the scriptures, but we can cause the scriptures are trustworthy. Let God be true and every man a liar.
Totally agree!
Dr. Brown has relationships with many of the false apostles and Sid Roth who has many false prophets on his show. Why listen to him?
There are no modern day Prophets but a spiritual gift of prophecy. Two different things.
Caleb, you are a brave, brave man for stepping into the ring with Michael Brown -- the man is a master of deflection, distraction, and obfuscation.
sounds like you disagree with Brown, since you are maligning his character. got a Bible verse to justify that?
@@muxion Eph. 5:6-11, Titus 1:10-11. Dr. Brown has a decades-long track record of defending those whom I'm sure Caleb would identify as false teachers, e.g., Sid Roth, Bill Johnson, Mike Bickle, Todd White, etc. Even in this video, Brown claims, for example, that he "was not aware" of Benny Hinn's false prophecies; this is a line of argument that Brown has made repeatedly in relation to other known false prophets. Brown does not refute those who contradict sound doctrine (Titus 1:9) -- he defends and makes excuses for them, so I do not consider him a trustworthy resource, but rather one that should be marked an avoided.
@@jenkinsbrigade9862Amen!
@@muxion
Michael Brown has zero discernment. From his unrepentant participation in the demonic Brownsville revival, his promotion of NAR heretics and false teachers, to his endorsement of the unbiblical Prophetic Standards Statement, Brown has a losing streak of bad discernment.
I know he is very good at his debates and I certainly thought about how it could go. I think the conversation was quite good in the end.
2:24 We should despise false prophecy and mark false Prophets and avoid them.
Agreed!
Exactly
The sad truth is that even though a true Prophet is 100% accurate all the time, there would still be a bunch of CZcams christian conspiracy theorists making videos about him , saying 'He is fake, he is a false prophet, he is after your money!" etc. Christian conspiracy theorists are using "exposing christian videos' as an excuse to get millions of likes and subscribers on CZcams and yet they say that "false pastors and teachers are after your money!"
When all along they themselves make these Christian conspiracy theory videos to get likes and subscribers to scam millions and make money themselves!
Satan is attacking Christianity nowadays with his number 1 weapon; Christian conspiracy theory Videos! Videos that fight Christians and destroys the body of Christ by saying "We must expose false teachers!"
The problem is that the so called "false teachers and false prophets" who are allegedly exposed are always Christian. They are never Muslim nor Bhuddists nor Rastafarians nor satanists. Because satan's true enemy is the body of Christ. Satan will never say that Bhuddists Rastafarians and Muslims and satanists are false teachers. Because then His Kingdom would be devided against itself! His plan is to let the world know that "Christians are false, fake and evil" and that you must "stay away from Christian churches because they just want your money".
We as the real body of Christ must pray against the attack against the attack on Christian churches by binding the demons who are inspiring people to make these Christian conspiracy theory videos, in the name of Jesus Christ!
God bless!
By the way, real Prophets do exist because God said that He would send them!
Joel 2 : 28
So to paraphrase, Dr. Brown says that whenever he gave a false prophecy about the gender of someone's baby, that wasn't actually a prophecy, it was just him being overconfident. But when he got something accurate then THAT was God telling him to do it. It sounds like the type of person in a workplace who never wants to take the blame for things going wrong but always wants to take credit for the good things. What a cop-out.
If I'm right it's prophecy
If I'm wrong, it wasn't a prophecy even tho I called it one 🤣🤣🤣
@@tomtemple69 exactly!
I caught that too.
Yeah, I thought the audience could discern that kind of thing for themselves and pushed enough to bring these things out but stay respectful at the same time.
@iThinkBiblically I honestly think that was a good thing. It seems as though many people do not catch the inconsistencies of things like this in theological debates/conversations when the person questioning gets aggressive. It creates more sympathy for the person being questioned, shutting down the listeners' ability to stick to what they person is actually saying. Sometimes, it is best to let people flesh out their thoughts without interruption.
Loved the way you dealt with MB, great job, great courage. God bless you Caleb.
Thanks mate, it was a good conversation. I think the audience can reach their own conclusions :)
I have known Dr Brown and talked to him in the past. He has a thing about him that he hates to call someone outright a false prophet, or the like. He preached against Joseph Prince for quite a while, but could never quite say the obvious, that he is a false teacher. He even made up with him after a while, which cost him a lot of followers. It does not surprise me that he might say one or two bad prophesies doesn't disqualify the man. It sounds just like him. Personally, I have been a Pentecostal for over 50 years, and have been solid on this for a long time. One false prophecy is the end for me ever listening to you.
I finally cut off my relationship with him. He just couldn't take a stand on to many things like that.
But I will tell you all where this stuff has come from. It's the "word of Faith" movement, with Ken Hagin. They polluted the Pentecostal movement many years ago. Clear back in about 1980 I started fighting against it, with their prosperity and "name it and claim it" garbage. I called it "blab it and grab it", and lost lots of friends. Now days, it seems like the "new apostalic" movement is carrying the torch for those guys.
The old time Pentecostal folks don't agree with any of this stuff.
Dr. Brown does not know if Bennie Hinn is a false prophet? Absurd.
false teacher and a liar
How come modern day so called profits , never prophecy about repentance? In stead WOF garbage declaring decrees
BINGO. Cause they don't care about true faith in Christ. They just want those spiritual giftsssssss
Yep
Yeah, I grew up in the WoF, my father was a preacher in this movement. Dr Brown has all the same "safe" answers for the gifts. I've seen this all my life, they have the "power" of God, it works 50% of the time. When their predictions come through it validates these are true men of God, and when the "word from the Lord" isn't answered, there's some sort of excuse that brushes their mistake away as no big deal. If Brown lived during the Old Test times, what would be his defense for the people of God to NOT kill him when he made the first false prediction? I've watched many loved ones die after they were prophesied over that they would recover. I started a channel to expose this stuff as well. Thanks for posting the interview!
I know if at least one lady who has left her husband , both Being in WOF. Beautiful couple. Musicians . I attended I couple of services at the church. Full-On word of faith mixed with other bad teachings. They
Looked like they were doing well. A prophet recently convinced her to leave her husband, and move in with him and his wife. And she has been staying at the prophets house ever since. I can't believe that this happens. Is this how a lot of these prophets behave? Or is it just the ones on the fringe of WOf ?
@GrantStanley2003 wow... I personally know people in ministry who cheated and left their spouse for someone new. But it was always one man one woman. Nothing polygamist. That's next level evil.
I just have to say that Dr. Michael Brown seems willfully an intentionally ignorant of Benny Hinn, false prophecy and teaching. You merely only have to have seen one of his “sermons”.
Benny Hinn isn't the Holy Spirit. I don't know what he's got to do with the word of God. Does Benny Hinn Prophecy not coming to pass means Prophecy has ceased or what?? What's your argument??
@@raphaelfeneje486 I just stated exactly what you said. Why are you asking me what my argument is?
@@olivevideogames Ignore him. He's here to defend the demons.
@@akadwriter You mean Benny Hinn is a demon or Michael Brown?? Who is a demon according to your Bible?? All these Pathetic Christians that has never done anything to bring people to Christ, rather destroy the body of Christ. 🤧
yes, most in that camp are unwilling to admit that there a lunatics like Hinn in the movement and distance from them. I guess I have to chalk it up to spiritual immaturity
This guy has been involved in heresy for years. Why are you even talking with him? Why is it CZcamsrs start out well and always end up flirting with those who are of an Anti-Christ spirit?
Caleb was calm and kind - but certainly exposed the reality of what Michael believes. It is important to produce such videos to warn others.
I'm pretty sure I stood for what was correct and condemned what I thought was wrong. I even said false prophecy was like adultery and homosexuality. The idea behind these conversations is get people to see truth from error. Debates and discussions with those who disagree bring things out. Monologues are easy.
Caleb pushed back on the false doctrine. Exactly like he should.
@@iThinkBiblicallyHis list of Heresy would take too long to list here..Classic Parasoxousin. It's a dead horse. It's not like he just fell and 2 or 3 are calling him to repentance . He has a different gospel and mingles with Jezebel's sons.. Doesn't matter what good things he has written. A little leaven ,leaven's the whole lump. Brown is poison.We are not talking about secondary issues here. DON'T bring these false teachers into your house. Let them be Anathema.
This is the same guy who was on his buddy Sid Roth's show it's supernatural? Come on! All I will say is the Proof is in the Pudding! Where are these Real Prophets? The Holy Spirit is Not a Feeling or an Experience. Test all Spirits, that's how you know! Your imagination is not the Holy Spirit. So again the Holy Spirit is Not a Feeling or an Experience. The Bible is Clear on what the Holy Spirit is and does! Glad I'm out of the Charismatic Echo Chamber! God you brother and your ministry!
Michael Brown is a true enigma in the church today. On the one hand, he is an incredibly articulate, accomplished biblical scholar, and theologian; there are few people alive today that have a command of the scriptures like he does. On the other hand, he has this GIGANTIC blind spot when it comes to charismatic/word of faith abuses and tomfoolery. Its VERY hard to reconcile. He always says "I don't follow this guy or that guy"...it doesn't take more than an hour or two to look at these false teachers and realize what they are. Its not complicated.
@@AJTramberg Exactly!
@@AJTramberg
I agree!
You can be a brilliant Biblical scholar, but if you have a false Holy Spirit or deceived by a false spirit, your book knowledge won’t help in discernment.
Every experience may not be the Holy Spirit, but that doesn't mean you can't experience him. If you've been spiritually blind and all of a sudden you start to see, that is an experience!
I was a weather officer (Meteorologist) in the USAF in the early 70s and a tv station weatherman in the mid 80s. What I did was forecast the weather. I got far more forecast correct than wrong. Most of what is believed to be prophecy today is nothing more than forecasting out from the soul’s interpretation of current events or what is thought will tickle the ear of the hearers rather than truly speaking by the Spirit of God. And just like weather forecasting you will get some things correctly and some incorrectly. But it is dangerous to declare “Thus says the Lord” as that is making what you are saying equal to the authority of Scripture and thus requiring belief and obedience to your spoken word.
The fact that Brown will not admit Sid Roth, benny hinn and Copeland is false says everything.
And add Kevin Zadai to the list, who Michael Brown wrote the forward to his book, but refuses to retract his endorsement. Kevin Zadai is absolutely an agent for Satan, who preaches a false Jesus, without question.
Michael Brown consistantly defends false teachers and false prophets, so he is not the best person to comment on it.
I've seen this in other charismatics/pentecostals, they will not criticize one of "their's" no matter how off base the preaching and teaching is. Not even loony Hinn or the health and wealth preachers.
Why is this conversation happening Caleb? Asking Dr. Brown about false prophecy is like asking the serpent in the garden why he tempted Eve. He is to be marked and avoided. Unfruitful
Why ask questions you know the answer to?
Can you elaborate how he should be marked and avoided? Just curious on the serpent and the unfruitful stuff
@@savageryreally7058 To answer you, one would need to invest hours into the things that Michael Brown believes, the movements he supports and the flip flop theology he holds. Find his video, grab your bible go slow and you will understand my comment. I just don't see the benefit of this video given Dr. Michael Brown track record. It speaks for itself. Let me know what you find.
Because the conservation is for everybody to hear, the learned and not so learned.
But he cannot be marked and avoided by Christians until they discover the error of his teachings. Debates like these reveal the error. I know they should - but many Christians do not realise this - and they need to know.
Caleb didn't affirm any false doctrine.
God told us everything we need to know in his word. We already know what God has said. There is no need for a new prophecy!
I never saw any good fruit from the attempts to exercise the spiritual gifts when I was in the charismatic cult. No legs grown, no cancer healed. I was being led to cessationism by God the whole time I was in it.
I saw a "short leg" "healed" at Lakewood church when Joel's dad was the pastor
Same here. Healings were never clear and undisputable, tongues were never real languages, but gibberish any unbeliever could mimic. "Prophecies" were always nebulous and broad, taken at face value, with no accountability. Instead, you have people lying around on the floor, lots of emotionalism, and truckloads of cognitive dissonance.
I am not a dogmatic cessationist however. I don't believe the scriptures clearly describe ceasing of the gifts, so I do not take the position that gifts CANNOT happen anymore, only that I have yet to see them. I try to remain open to that possibility.
@@muxion , apparently, there’s a multitude of people running around with short legs that God is focusing on…
@@THATjeffdelaneydon’t worry, Todd white has got those covered. He’s the opening act for PT Barnums traveling circus show.
@@TheRealKenFTodd White almost put Viagra out of business
Brother keep up the good work. You’re reaching people far and wide. Continue remaining humble and submissive to God’s Word. Here in Jamaica where I’m from, it’s littered with false teachings and heretics. You guys have inspired me to start my own CZcams channel to call out some of the heresies that are taught here in our Churches. Currently I’m just making sure that when I’m ready to go live to teach, whatever that comes out of my mouth will be Sound Biblical Doctrine and can stand up to scrutiny. Thanks Brother keep up the good work and making these video I’ll be here listening in, watching and learning.
Back in the day, if you were a prophet and got it wrong once you were put to death because you were not a true profit
And what is the criteria to test a true prophet?? Go on
@raphaelfeneje486 Simple...if what they say will happen does NOT happen, they are a false prophet.
Besides this, no Biblical prophet used mumbo jumbo word salad for their "prophecies"...they gave SPECIFIC DETAILS and words that had real meaning.
Deuteronomy 18:20. Also there are portions of Jeremiah where this very thing is discussed. Instances where people claim to have received a word from the Lord, but were prophesying from their own imagination.
@@akadwriter Is it that you are ignoring the question or you are not understanding it?? How do you know a true prophet. It's simple, isn't it?? Tell me how you know a true prophet. Go on
@@raphaelfeneje486 I just told you. Apparently you can't read. If your prophecies come true and they line up with Biblical truth, you are a true prophet. If you speak against Scripture and or your prophecies fail, you are a false teacher and prophet.
Hey Caleb, I just wanted to share my perspective with you in a nice, loving, and gracious way. I truly believe that your view on the prophecy in 1 Corinthians 14 might be incorrect. From my understanding, it's more about true believers who prophesy in a church setting and the church judging their accuracy, rather than distinguishing between false and true prophets. I hope we can have a respectful and insightful debate about this topic. Looking forward to hearing your thoughts!
In 1 Corinthians 14:29-33, Paul says, "Let two or three prophets speak, and let the others weigh what is said. If a revelation is made to another sitting there, let the first be silent. For you can all prophesy one by one, so that all may learn and all be encouraged." Here's the breakdown:
1. "Let two or three prophets speak": This indicates that there are believers with the gift of prophecy in the church setting.
2. "And let the others weigh what is said": This suggests that the other believers have the responsibility to evaluate and judge the accuracy of the prophecies shared.
3. "If a revelation is made to another sitting there, let the first be silent": This emphasizes the need for order and respect when multiple prophecies are being shared. It allows for one prophecy to be shared at a time, so that each can be properly evaluated.
4. "For you can all prophesy one by one, so that all may learn and all be encouraged": This highlights the purpose of prophecy within the church, which is for learning and encouragement.
So, based on these verses, we can see that Paul is indeed talking about true believers prophesying and other believers judging the accuracy of the prophecy in the church setting. It's a way to ensure that the prophecies align with God's truth and are beneficial for the edification of the church.
Great conversation also.
Do you identify yourself as an apostle?
@@lovegod8582 an apostle is a messenger of JESUS so yes absolutely.
@@Apostle_Crypto_Shadybut you don’t believe that you hold the office of apostle (in the sense that Paul, and many in the early church did?)
@@lovegod8582 absolutely not, I just do it for shock value. Nevertheless I pray Caleb sees my challenge and responds to it.
Believers Bible Commentary - First of all, two or three prophets were to speak and the others were to judge. No more than three were to take part in any one meeting, and the Christians who listened were to determine whether this was truly a divine utterance or whether the man might be a false prophet.
Bob Utley - Prophets do not have uncontested freedom (i.e., subject, time, or content) to speak. They are to be evaluated by other gifted believers (cf. 1Co_14:30; 1Co_12:10; 1Jn_4:1-3). Remember that the demonic were present when Jesus spoke in both the Synagogue and in outdoor preaching.
John Gill - The other prophets that sit and hear, and all such as have a spirit of discerning, whether what the prophets say comes from their own spirits, or from a lying spirit, from the spirit of antichrist, or whether from the Spirit of God; and even the body of the people, private members of the church, and hearers, might judge of the doctrine for themselves, according to the word of God, the standard of faith and practice; and were not to believe every spirit, but try them, whether they were of God, and their doctrines by his word, whether they were true or false; for the spiritual man is in a measure capable of judging all things of a spiritual kind, through that spiritual experience he has of the word of God, and divine things, and by the assistance of the Spirit of God.
John Calvin - For it is of no small advantage, that there should be some that are skillful in judging, who will not allow sound doctrine to be perverted by the impostures of Satan, or to be otherwise corrupted by silly trifles.
Come on Mr brown!!!
Hebrews 1:1-2 ESV
[1] Long ago, at many times and in many ways, God spoke to our fathers by the prophets, [2] but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world.
And his son is the WORD not voices in your head...
Amen amen amen
A lot of inconsistencies in Dr. Michael Brown’s ideas.
If you’ve given a false prophecy, you’re a false prophet. A prophet doesn’t get it wrong. Even wicked, godless Balaam didn’t falsely prophecy.
God isn’t reckless. He doesn’t mess up. He wouldn’t irresponsibly give the gift of prophecy to someone who is going to get it wrong.
Never seen that happen in Scripture.
AMEN!!
Deuteronomy 13:1-5
13 “If a prophet or a dreamer of dreams arises among you and gives you a sign or a wonder, 2 and the sign or wonder that he tells you comes to pass, and if he says, ‘Let us go after other gods,’ which you have not known, ‘and let us serve them,’ 3 you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams. For the Lord your God is testing you, to know whether you love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul. 4 You shall walk after the Lord your God and fear him and keep his commandments and obey his voice, and you shall serve him and hold fast to him. 5 But that prophet or that dreamer of dreams shall be put to death, because he has taught rebellion against the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt and redeemed you out of the house of slavery, to make you leave the way in which the Lord your God commanded you to walk. So you shall purge the evil[a] from your midst.
So technically God did use this as a testing of faith whenever He willed for it to happen. A sign or a wonder, which comes to pass, AND if that same prophet is trying to get you to worship other gods - the same is a false prophet. Hope this makes sense
Theoretically, there's very little chance the "audible voice of God" ORIGINATED IN YOUR OWN HEAD!! That's the difference. My goodness. "We're sure that inner witness is genuine"...WHAT??? Does Michael Brown have ANY clue how many lives have been wrecked by people sharing what they thought was the genuine voice of God and were wrong?
If you get a prophesy wrong you are plain and simple not a prophet. My take is that the sign gifts like prophesy and healing were to show that God is real to people. If you say you are a healer or a prophet, yet can't do either, it's a very bad look. People will just think you are full of baloney and mock your God. What a mess.
Really? The entire corinth church prophesied. It is not metioned in scripture for us to know what they said. 1 cor 14:39
@@jasonprashant6624 that has nothing to do with my comment. Also, we need to carefully examine what prophesy is when it’s mentioned in the Bible. It can have different meanings due to context.
Eh.. see Deuteronomy 13:1-5
13 “If a prophet or a dreamer of dreams arises among you and gives you a sign or a wonder, 2 and the sign or wonder that he tells you comes to pass, and if he says, ‘Let us go after other gods,’ which you have not known, ‘and let us serve them,’ 3 you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams. For the Lord your God is testing you, to know whether you love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul. 4 You shall walk after the Lord your God and fear him and keep his commandments and obey his voice, and you shall serve him and hold fast to him. 5 But that prophet or that dreamer of dreams shall be put to death, because he has taught rebellion against the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt and redeemed you out of the house of slavery, to make you leave the way in which the Lord your God commanded you to walk. So you shall purge the evil[a] from your midst
So, technically, God can use this as a test for faith by allowing a false prophet to do a sign or wonder, to see if His people will go astray to other gods. It’s when it comes to pass the sign or wonder AND when they entice you to follow other gods, the same is a false prophet and should not be followed.
Whether Copeland or Hinn is going to hell is between them and God but if they're teaching false teachings they need to be rebuke openly and often.
I don’t believe anything Michael Brown says.
If someone gives a false prophecy, they are following a false spirit and not the Holy Spirit…
Exxxactly. If anything this should teach Christian that you DON'T know God's will until it unfolds. Which is why we are told to say "if the Lord wills" as stated in James 4.
Any it is by His mercy that we receive anything from the Lord 👑
@@habibj 10000%! His grace alone!
I’ve never seen Micheal brown so vulnerable and unsure of himself.
He certainly was candid in the conversation. Hopefully the video gets more views.
I don't consider myself a Charismatic but I love brother Michael Brown...his love for the Lord is beautifully displayed...
Who better to give an expert opinion on false prophecy than one of today's leading false prophets?
The reality is there are no modern day Prophets because the foundation is complete, consisting of the Apostles and Prophets with Christ being the chief cornerstone. Ephesians 2 v20. Today we have the Spiritual gifts in place of the Office of Apostle and Prophets and both are not needed at the SAME time!! Today all gentiles are Spiritually grafted into the original Foundation and we do Not overtake the Natural branch that being Israel. Today you see those wanting to overtake the natural branches with their own version of the word and yet we are not considering all the divisions that are occurring. Hebrews says we have a more assured way forward with the complete teachings of the words of the complete canon of the Scripture. Now some will say that everything the foundation consists of rests on Christ Jesus and the foundation is being built above Christ Jesus and is not complete but then why would Paul say in Ephesians 2v20 it consists of the Apostles being 12 in number and their names are written in the new Jerusalem foundation?? And with Christ being the chief Cornerstone and not Chief Stone?? And when you look at the Jewish Prophets who spoke the word of God because the canon of scripture wasn’t complete yet until the Jewish Apostles came into being?? Together the Jewish Apostles and Jewish Prophets with Christ being the Chief CORNERSTONE and not Chief Stone completed the Foundation and therefore there is no more need to add to it!!. Somehow you have gentiles who are not satisfied with being spiritually grafted in and want MORE than what they are accounted who are thereby boasting and will be Removed if they are not careful.. we are to ADD to the Natural Branch and not overcome it !! Amen and Amen!!!
Bingo . Paul said what does righteousness and wickedness have in common? Have nothing to do with them. Thumbs down for this softball interview. Shameful. I can’t watch this youtuber anymore. He is playing footsies with an Anti-Christ .
Exactly
M Brown isn’t a prophet though… 😕
@@JR01015indeed but today there are those who claim to be gentile prophets who make a profit out of selling their wares and trinkets to the gullible masses and love it so .
Caleb, thank you for this discussion. I appreciate what you doing. God bless you 💕
Caleb and Dr. Brown I enjoyed this show the discussion was great as well as you showed each other Grace and kindness God bless you both this is how to show God’s Grace working in your lives ❤❤❤🙏🙏🙏
Thank you for this
I loved this discourse and I’m glad you engaged with Dr Brown even though he speaks from two sides of his mouth.
I’m glad he clarified what false prophecy is but then couldn’t speak against his friends.
You should’ve brought up Bethel and videos of Bill Johnson encouraging students to prophesy falsely.
I know Bethel students here in Australia who bring up random stuff in the hope that one of their claims are true, they call this prophecy.
Also, if you condone Kenneth Copeland because he’s a nice guy and he knows his scripture, Brandon Robertson is probably a nice guy who knows scripture.
The question should be, have we ever had a true OT Prophet who has ever prophesied incorrectly even once?
Jonah prophesied that Ninevah would be destroyed after 40 days .....but Ninevah wasn't destroyed after 40 days. Yes..... I know....Ninevah repented and God relented from sending the disaster ......etc....
@@banzakidimye348 Fast forward 150ish years....
@@AdvEug Yeah but he prophesied 40 days ... which was "false". I can "prophesy" the descruction of every nation on earth ..... based on what? Biblical principle ..... Only the Kingdom of God is eternal... all other kingdoms and nations are temporal.
@@banzakidimye348 That’s your passage to prove that a true prophet can prophesy falsely? Really? Jonah said what God said to say, the scripture tells us that it was God who told him what to say to the people of Nineveh,
Jonah 1:1-2
Now the word of the LORD came to Jonah the son of Amittai, saying, “Arise, go to Nineveh, that great city, and call out against it, for their evil
has come up before me.”
Now we know for a fact that Jonah didn’t prophesy falsely because all he did was to say what God told him to say
Jonah 3:1-3
Then the word of the LORD came to Jonah the second time, saying, 2 “Arise, go to Nineveh, that great city, and call out against it the message that I tell you.” 3 So Jonah arose and went to Nineveh, according to the word of the LORD.
Now just as you said, God was the one who decided to have mercy on them because they repented.
Jonah 3:
4 Jonah began to go into the city, going a day’s journey. And he called out, “Yet forty days, and Nineveh shall be overthrown!” 5 And the people of Nineveh believed God. They called for a fast and put on sackcloth, from the greatest of them to the least of them.
In Chapter 3:7-9 it said that the King made a decree in the land for everyone to turn from the evil ways and they did. And they placed their faith in God that he will have mercy on them.
Jonah 3:10 says
When God saw what they did, how they turned from their evil way, God relented of the disaster that he had said he would do to them, and he did not do it.
So you tell me, how did Jonah Prophesied a false prophecy when it was God who decided to relent & not destroy them? So are you saying that God lied? Are you impugning God? Cuz Jonah said what He told him to say. All a prophet needs to be a false prophet is to prophesy something wrong once cuz that would be if he gets it wrong once, then his credibility is now in question going forward cuz we can’t trust him to be accurate. Every True Prophet of God prophesies accurately 100% at all times cuz all they did was to say what God said and what God says cannot be a lie.
@@banzakidimye348 You need to realize what many (most) of the prophecies in the OT were for. They were prophecies about how God would react to people if they kept up their evil ways, but that God would not (in most cases) follow through with his judgement if they repented and turned from their evil ways. Many times the Bible makes this explicitly clear, but sometimes doesn't explicitly say so, likely because the Israelites clearly understood what prophecy was. For the most part it was not some sort of predicting the future (though there are definite cases of that, such as Daniel, and prophets prophesying about the coming Messiah), but rather it was God's means of telling the people that they needed to change, and if they didn't, they would be able to see with certainty that God was bringing judgement on them, just as it was predicted.
So, if you understand the purpose behind prophecy, and what it really is, there's nothing false about Jonah's prophecy.
Now, there are some prophecies which were not for the purpose of trying to get the people to repent, nor foretelling far-off future events. Not a prophecy per-se, but rather the dream that God gave to Pharoah, He gave him two dreams, to emphasize that the coming famine was already determined and nothing would change it. That dream and it's interpretation was to get Pharoah and the people to take action (not repent), but ultimately also to show everyone God's hand was at work. I think it can be said that all prophecy is to show the hand of God working, but each case can have a different focus on what the people who hear the prophecy should do, and whether it is a fixed prophecy, or one that can change based on the reaction of those who hear it. But, contained in the prophecy, it is clear what that focus is.
I was very skeptical of this channel about a year and a half ago. You’ve come a long way man thank you Caleb for being more charitable to people you’re obviously growing
Knowing the difference between the voice of God and the devil is the key that we as Christians need to understand. Remember when God said " my people know my voice" really He is saying know my Word and seek my face. Its intimacy that I think God is really wanting from us.
Exactly! This is twisted all the time to justify extra-biblical revelation.
The problem, as I see it, is that the vast majority of professing Christians are likely not true Christians. Yet most people, even sadly true believers, fail to take this into account when talking about false prophets, false teachers, etc. If we are true believers, we are indwelt with the Holy Spirit. How can we not recognize that the Holy Spirit has no desire that any believer is deceived?
I was so easily deceived for many years when I claimed to be a Christian, but was one in mouth only. I had itching ears, that wanted more proof about God, and ultimately proof that I was a Christian. I should have recognized at the time that my desire for such was merely proof that I wasn't a true Christian. Once I became a true believer, that all changed. I immediately saw how many false prophets and false teachers there are.
John, as you mentioned, we sheep know His voice. No matter how knowledgeable of the Scripture a person is, who claims to be a believer, if they cannot hear Jesus' voice, but are following a wolf in sheep's clothing, they need to examine themself to see if they are truly in the faith.
I listened to your interview with Dr. Brown and wished you would have asked him how a true believer in Christ can recognize a false minister who transforms himself into a minister of righteousness. Are these transformed ministers of righteousness saved or lost? “For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ. And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. Therefore, it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works.” (2 Cor 11:12-15) Wouldn’t these transformed ministers of righteousness declare publicly their belief and trust in Christ as their Savior and Lord? Wouldn’t they profess they are doing the will of God? Wouldn’t they use the Scriptures as the basis for their teaching? Wouldn’t they insist they are preaching and teaching the truth of God by the Holy Spirit? Of course, they do all these things. But these claims cannot assure anyone that a minister is, in fact, a true minister of Christ. They draw nigh unto Christ by their words, but their hearts are far from Him and evil to the core. So how does a true believer recognize and avoid these satanic ministers of righteousness?
The last few words of verse 15 states the end of these ministers will be according to their works i.e. their principal actions, deeds, methodology of ministering or as Jesus tells us we will know them by their fruits. “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing (false ministers of righteousness) … by their fruits you will know them.” (Mat 7:15,20) What will these fruits, their principal methodologies of ministering look like? Again, Jesus tells us how we can recognize these devilish ministers of righteousness. In the 8th chapter of the gospel of John Jesus tells those who are seeking to kill him, “For you are the children of your father the devil, and you love to do the evil things he does.” So, yes indeed, we can know those who belong to Satan but have transformed themselves into ministers of righteousness. Their works will be based on the doctrine and methodology of Satan their spiritual father.
The three temptations of Christ by Satan reveal his principal methodologies and lies that that are practiced and emphasized by his ministers of righteousness. The first temptation of Christ was to change the stones into bread. Satan was tempting Christ to not wait (thus depend) on God to meet His need of hunger. Satan was pressing Christ to take the initiative by using the power of His own words to change the stones into bread and satisfy his hunger. In other words, Satan was challenging Christ to take charge of His own life and reign over all His needs through the power of His tongue (His words). Satan was calling for Christ to become Lord and Master over himself and his earthly life and thereby reject the authority of His Heavenly Father over his life. It is the great lie of Satan’s ministers that Christians can call those things that be not as though they were. By the power of their tongue, they can bring about health, prosperity, wealth, success and create any desired blessing for their lives. But God’s Word clearly tells us that such arrogance and self-glory are from an ungodly heart. “They speak deceitful and worthless words to one another; with flattering lips and a double heart they speak. May the LORD cut off all flattering lips, the tongue that speaks great things [in boasting]; who have said, ‘With our tongue we will prevail; our lips are our own; who is lord and master over us?’” (Psalm 12) This same evil satanic principal is championed by the Word of Faith ministers. Why? Because they love doing the evil things their spiritual father Satan does.
In the second temptation Satan uses Scripture to extort an act of suicide from Jesus that would fulfil the desire of Satan for Christ’s destruction. The Word of God is the truth of God, but ministers can misuse scriptures to deceive and destroy true believers in Christ. The false ministers of righteousness use Scriptures to compel believers to do as they say. They most often extort money or sex from their followers by virtue of their position of authority or reputation as ministers of righteousness. They rule over their churches or ministries as did Diotrephes that John described as evil in his third epistle. But they are utilizing the same principle and technique Satan used on Christ in the second temptation. Any minister doing such should be avoided. God has not given His Word to man so that man can reign over others. Ministers are to be servants of true believers not dictators that rule over them.
The third temptation of Satan is the most egregious and profuse methodology used by many ministers today. Satan always seeks to turn the ways of God upside down. He asked Jesus to fall down and worship him. True worship is creation worshiping the Creator. But here Satan is asking the Creator to worship His creation. The exact opposite of what should take place. When God gives, he gives down which is from greater to lesser. Thus, God has a give down principle which His true children are to practice. Satan, however, has a give up principle, from lesser to greater which his ministers of righteousness teach and demand adherence to. They insist believers in need must give and, of course give up to these wealthy ministers (from lesser to greater) or God will not respond to their faith. They utilize the very same method Satan attempted to deceive Jesus with. Satan insisted Jesus must first sow a seed of worship, and then and only then would Jesus reap a harvest of all that he desired. In other words, Satan must have what he wants first before Jesus can have what he wants. Those who teach and insist their followers must adhere to this demonic lie of sowing money to reap an answer to prayer are doing the same evil thing of Satan. As Jesus clearly tells us those who do the evil things of Satan do so because Satan is their spiritual father.
Anyone who is a follower of these kinds of ministers or ministries and defends and financially supports them is going to end up just like these devilish ministers of righteousness. They will be cast into eternal darkness by Christ. I do not listen to the braggadocios self-justification of these false teachers because their works mimic the evil works of Satan. I pray that the Holy Spirit will open the minds and hearts of many deceived believers who are blindly following Satan's ministers of righteousness and lead them out from grave spiritual danger into the safety of a Christ led life.
You were way too gentle with him. 😇 One false prophesy u are disqualified bottom line.
Oooh this'll be interesting
This is refreshing to see....A 'debate' or 'discussion' with Dr. Michael Brown, that's something that few would do in the 'discernment world'
Justin Peters and John MacArthur would never do an online 'debate' or 'discussion' with Dr. Michael Brown!! 🖥
Jim Osmond had a discussion with him and MB steam rolled him and left him dizzy! lol.
Thanks for sharing this Caleb. Very insightful... great to hear properly what people believe and why. Q&A is indispensable as the "preacher" doesn't control the narrative. Please do more of these sessions leveraging your well deserved influence in contemporary western Christianity
Yeah, I enjoyed the discussion. It would be good to have more discussions on topics I disagree about...
Thanks for your open discussion ❤
1 Corinthians 14:31
I love how you guys handle debate. I want to be more like you. I generally just talk louder to let the other person know I am right and they are wrong. lol
If Brown prophesied that someone would live and they didn’t, that makes him a false prophet, and he needs to repent and never attempt that again.
By this logic, Isaiah is also a false prophet because he prophesied that King Hezekiah would die in 2 Kings 20:1.
@@JR01015 🤦🏻
@@THATjeffdelaney I take it you’re not even familiar with the passage then.
@@THATjeffdelaney no? Maybe some more bible reading is required on your part.
Yo isiah did not give false prophecy we went and warned Hezekiah that he will die but by the prayers of the king 15 years was added to his life. Same with Jonah he prophecied that the people of nineveh would perish if they did not repent.
I appreciate this interview and your respect for each other. Thank you! I am disentangling myself from years of false teaching from certain large ministries. I am searching the scriptures for myself and repent of spiritual laziness in the past. I do believe in the prophetic ministry but we must have the fear of the Lord. I came across your video of the “Widow’s mite” which was an eye opener.
AWESOME MESSAGE 😮😮😮
Really good talk here. What baffles me is that you got him to the point of saying Benni Hinn is a false prophet without him saying it. He cannot be telling truth in that he said he hasn't followed Benni for some time so doesn't know what he has supposedly prophesied but then he mentions Justin Peters sending him all the things Benni has said. Well if he had watched or read that from Justin he would then know he is a false prophet, because of this he is kind of saying he doesn't believe Justin. Still ducking around actually saying it.
What voice of God sir!!!!!
Brother, I'm only about halfway through but it has been such a blessing to see you present the truth so wisely and gently. I have a visceral reaction to some of his beliefs because they've ravaged my own families lives, among countless others. But watching you handle him so lovingly and honestly has made me realize I probably have some repenting and forgiving to do. I didn't even know I needed that.
I've never seen Dr. Brown do a conversational style video like this and it certainly helps to hear him explain his various positions without also controlling the mic himself and cutting off his opponents from even being allowed to complete a full answer.
I've never seen him so meek, mild, and willing to admit to real issues, so maybe God will use this discussion to open his eyes to some of his blind spots. Before tonight, I generally viewed him as knowing when he's being deceptive. But after watching even half of this video, I can see he's also sincerely deceived himself. I think he really has bought into his views and I think he fears to let go of them because they are basically his life's work and legacy.
That would be a heavy blow to a man his age. My father has struggled with it as well and even though I know it's good that my dad finally separated himself from the movement in the physical sense, he still grieves for all the years lost to what may have all been doctrines of demons. He still doesn't want to believe that.. But I know that if we humble ourselves in the sight of the Lord, He will lift us up, far higher than we ever dreamed or imagined. And I pray that for my dad and Dr. Brown. Our treasure is not made of earthly honors, legacies or inheritances because we aren't of this world. We're laying up for ourselves treasures in heaven, where nothing can ever corrupt them.
Thank for this. It's very timely for me.
And in closing, I would ask for prayers as well. My father fell, broke a hip and had a heart attack. I haven't seen him in weeks because his body and mind (he has Parkinsons already) have made him very slow to heal. So please pray for my dad and my entire family right now. I would be grateful. And thank you again for sharing this conversation with us. It's enlightening in more ways than one.
Thanks mate, I feel like the conversation went well, there were times I wanted to push a bit more but I also felt like God was sovereign and I didn’t need to as the Spirit can do his work in both us and the audience. I definitely think this conversation was a real gem. I feel like I’m building a personal relationship with him. On the one hand I love Michael Browns theological contributions to the church but on the other I struggle with the discernment side. But I do love him very much.
I loved that reply. I watch both of you and I read a lot of Michael's books and really can't dispute his teachings. I walked away from pentecostal churches years ago so its really only the people he stands with that was my issue but I personally I believe he is a great person to learn from
Love to both of you my brothers
I loved this episode and the way you handled your differences. God bless.😊
I don’t need a modern day “prophet”, anyway. I have my Bible, and also the Holy Spirit guiding me every single day. I feel these people are like a horoscope cult. If God wants to tell me something, He doesn’t need another to tell me, or warn me, He speaks directly to my soul.
My mother had an aunt-in-law that annoyingly always had a “word” for someone. She was a total false ‘preacher’ and a cultish charismatic. She literally gave so many ‘words’, even interrupting the services of the church she attended, she told us they kicked her out of it. No lie! It seems that church was smarter than I thought. 😂
This was a great conversation. Caleb, it does sound like you’re ready to condemn anyone who gives a false word as non-Christian. You used the deserved death penalties of homosexuality and adultery in support of your reasoning. But how many Christians might give a false word in the excitement of their having found Christ because they start to see the world differently and have new considerations in their heart - and get confused in reading what is really just hope or emotional wishing or even God’s will? If we followed your logic, we could compare these people to those who take the Lord’s name in vain in the OT, which is also punishable by death. How many new (and old) Christians say “JC” or “OMG” regularly, even though this is a blasphemous and degrading use of the names of Jesus and God. Do we allow them to learn and repent, or do we banish them as non-Christians just for carelessly using a phrase they have constantly heard from their friends, parents, teachers and on every television show they’ve probably watched all of their lives? In 1Cor 5, when a man was sleeping with his father’s wife, while he was handed over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh (STD?), the goal was still repentance and salvation; Paul did not give a statement of his non-Christian status, nor did Paul say the man was not even a Christian. Should we not be at least as understanding with people who do not have a regular habit of saying false words, but simply make an honest mistake?
Prophecy was for until the scripture was completed. That has happened. We are not in need of any more additions according to 2 Timothy 3:16-17:
“All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work.”
Where is the scripture that was the gifts of the spirit, namely prophecy, was only until scripture was completed? Because 2 Tim 3:16-17 doesn’t say what you’re saying
@@JR01015 , if you read it correctly, it does.
@@THATjeffdelaney I’ve read correctly. In the Greek. And it doesn’t. It has nothing to do with spiritual gifts ceasing. But I take it you can’t read the Greek.
@@JR01015Latin is all Greek to me bruh.
Where in the Bible does it tell us or even give us an example of listening to an "Inner Voice" ? Or that an "Inner Voice" is on the same level of Gods voice?
No-where.
My take: be born of God, know Scripture, pray, live in holiness and learn of God. God's grace will flow...amen!
What is the Biblical definition of prophesy? I really want to be clear Bro Caleb mentioned in one video it has 2 meanings? Please explain
I don't remember saying prophesy has two meanings.
Great discussion Caleb. I particularly love your calm and firm approach. That allowed for a great conversation. I lean more to the secessionist side though.
Dr Michael Brown is quiet smart and here again I see him creating a 3rd category about prophesy. This does not exist in the scriptures . He (Dr Brown) is the one appearing nebulous in some of his stance
God bless you brother
Caleb, I like your angle
of pursuit about the authenticity of hearing from God with a specific Prophecy from God. So, I have experienced everything you have such as “Was that me mulling things around in my own heart/mind or was that actually God speaking to me?” Then, actually hearing God speak with that distinctive, zero doubt that it was God’s voice. I have heard God’s voice in that authoritative tone around 8-10 in my 24 years of walking with Him. Every time He spoke to me like that, it was at major transitions in my life or preparing me for a specific time to devote to an initiative. Here is the funny thing, each time God spoke to me, I would automatically say, “Do what Lord?” And he repeated the same thing in the same tone. Then I looked in the word where God spoke to many people by saying the same thing twice in a row like Abraham Abraham, Saul Saul, etc… So, I have heard the voice of God, but I’m with you on the contention of hearing a full prophecy and repeating that as “God said…”. Thank you for diving into deep waters. People need to hear this and go on a journey with God to discover revelation.
Amen. Same thing from my testimony.
we don't need prophecy today, we have the bible, there is enough prophecy in there for the end times for us to be prepared and to evangelize to the ends of the earth
You mean we don’t people like Troy Black giving us predictions on weather or words about Trump?
Caleb and Our Lord is using you greatly we appreciate you much❤
I love this guy! Thank you for doing this.
In the year 1980, I was a new Christian. During that year after the conclusion of the church service, I looked at the other side of the building and saw this young sister sitting there. I was moved by God, with this inner voice, to go and tell this person that she was going to birth a baby boy. After some years while attending a youth service at a different church, a young lady about 13 or 14, who was a baby girl at the time I told her mother what the LORD had told me for her, came to me and asked if I was Brother Charles that attended the church, I served in. I responded yes, I am that man. She replied that my mother had written you letters which could not be delivered, because we had moved. She told me that her mother had been trying to get in touch with me to tell me that she had birthed a baby boy, just as the LORD had indicated to her through me. This was many years later at least 10 years later.
Another time several years later, about two I remember, also back in 1982 or so, the LORD impressed to me again . I was on my way with my wife to attend a prayer meeting at a husband and wife who were also members of the church we attended, the same church where the LORD told me to tell the young lady about the baby boy. This revelation that God had given me to tell the Sister at the house where she held the prayer meeting,. After the prayer meeting concluded, the LORD gave me a Word to give this dear Sister. It was from John 14:1-4. When I finished speaking forth these Words from the LORD, I turned to tell her what the LORD had impressed me to speak to her. She had been sick for some months and was in her bed in the house; This was a very difficult Word to give her and the husband. This is what I said to her: "You will not live, but you are going to die for I am taking you. This person that God ministered too through me was a woman of faith, who mentored.me for a number of years. After I spoke these words to her, she did not say anything, but her husband told me that God told him the same thing.
Now, there are many more episodes.in my life that God had done for me and through me.
Just wanted to share this with you, to encourage you having listened to this great discussion.
That was a very good conversation, really enjoyed it
Yeah, it was a good chat. The connection was difficult so it was hard to engage him but it turned out ok.
Hi brother, I've followed you for a long time and appreciate your work. Grateful to see your channel growing and what a great discussion! I disagree with NAR, with Michael Brown on things and how he has supported NAR without properly discerning, but I do see some things changing. Grateful you stand on God's WORD.
Amen.
I felt like maybe I partly changed his view. Who knows. It was a great discussion. I consider him a brother. I do wonder whether Al the push back on the charismatic church may produce change in the future. I think the money issue is a huge draw for wolves.
was really good thing you should do the second part
Ι decided a long time ago to avoid reading comment threads under Christian videos. A rudimentary look at the ones here reminded me why I took the decision in the first place. Everyone is a theology scholar apparently.
@@clarkent61 mmmm "christian" sniping
@@clarkent61 Of course I thought to write the comment for others to read and of course I am not a hypocrite. It's using caustic substance on cotton, obviously lost to those with blinkers and without a sense of humour.
Thanks for setting this up and bringing the conversation to us.
I don't have a problem with God speaking to those who love Him and keep His commandments. There is nothing in the Bible to deny this and since all the Lord's people have the Holy Spirit living within us, why would it be seen as incredible that God speaks to us through the Holy Spirit?
Good interview!
I respect brown making himself available for this discussion
When the subject of tongues comes up michael browns like not this question again lol
That’s how you get things done. Two men, talking things through in a respectful manner.
We should do one on post trib
@@iThinkBiblically What do you have in mind? I don’t have anything to do with premillennial position anymore.
Usefull discusion 👍
Great honest discussion, this is how it should be regardless of your position
One thing he said that was telling, he admitted that some prophesy spoken could be demonic.
God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
Hebrews:1:1Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
Hebrews:1:2
Excellent conversation 👌
Also excellent choice of Bibles Caleb 😉
Michael Brown endorses and defends Heidi Baker. She knows the bible as well a anyone according to Michael. Mark and avopid the guy who loves to bring fire down from heaven and set the congregation ablaze.
Yeah, I can only do one topic at a time. I thought this was a good one.
@@iThinkBiblicallyget a demon slayer on your show next!!
Do address Michael Brown’s own false prophecies in this video Brother?
And what's his false Prophecy??
If u heard sth in the spirit n tut God spoke to u, if it failed do u become a false prophet?
U heard ten things n nine came to pass, so u are a true prophet nine out of ten but a false prophet in every one of the occasions?
U ve been prophesying with accuracy for tens yrs, but this yr ur prophecy failed u ve just bc a false prophet?
What if u heard sth in the spirit but it was not from God but came to pass anyway, how does anyone know what u are: false or true?
Sounds like demons@@NATAR160
@@NATAR160 They don't even know who a false prophet is. Even a false prophet can give accurate prophecies .
@@raphaelfeneje486Too many to name. But research Fire 🔥 is a good place to start with the many deceptions of DMB
Read the first verse of Hebrews. Prophesy is a thing of the past!
While I don't agree with everything this man sais, I do agree that it is not our place to judge if someone is saved or not. But rather to avoid anyone who may mislead us.😊
Hi Caleb. I hope you see this. Concerning the question of an Old Testament prophet falsely prophesying, then truly prophesying, consider 1 Kings 13. Please let me know what you think about this.
There are a couple of ways to view this story. 1. The Old man deliberately sinned by prophesying falsely and should have been put to death. This is different to a prophet trying to prophesy and getting it wrong. 2. The Old man didn't actually prophesy, he simply lied about an angel speaking to him. Many people had angels come to them that were not prophets and did not prophesy.
Thank you for your response.
My focus is not so much on that he falsely prophesied alone, but that he accurately prophesied afterward. The text specifically calls him an old prophet. Are you drawing a distinction between lying and falsely prophesying in this context?
Caleb?
I think it would’ve been great to clarify the definition of “prophecy”. I was under the understanding that prophecy, biblically, is at least defined as preaching the gospel. It could be this idea of “Christian fortune telling”, but what is the need for that? You can’t foretell the most important piece of information (the time of christs return) so there’s no point in it besides personal gain.
Fałszywy prorok to ten, który twierdzi, że słyszy od Boga i mówi to, co Bóg mówi, ale w rzeczywistości ani nie słyszy Boga, ani nie mówi tego, co On mówi.
„Ale źli ludzie i zwodziciele będą coraz gorsi, zwodząc i będąc zwiedzeni”.
- 2 Tymoteusza 3:13
Great video mate! This was a helpful discussion (which you won lol)
The gift of Prophesy has to not only come to pass, but it must line up with scripture. Beware in these end of days.
Matthew 7:21-23 KJV
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
I understand what Dr. Brown is saying. I get it. But he is forgetting by being so reluctant with just Benny Hinn for example it causes others to be unsure and unsafe. I know he means well but it’s not loving. He needs to warn others clearly of the wolves.
What we develop Brown is relationship with the Lord, we're always going up in the Lord, as the Holy Spirit teaches us, we learn our relationship with the Lord through His Word. Brown you've got to much to say and your always trying to make your case; I've seen you with the Smart Christian, Corey, with Ruslan and your always fumbling around your words. I wouldn't trust you if my life depended on it, there's something about you that I can't trust. Caleb I appreciate your channel, your honest and genuine.
If something is legitimately being exposed, that’s a good thing.
Peter believed that they were living in the last days. After the outpouring of the Spirit and the fire on their tongues etc. Peter said that ''THIS, (he is referring to what was happening right then and there while they were all gathered together), is what The Prophet Joel spoke about". The outpouring of the Spirit and Prophecy's happening. So, Peter quoted from the Prophet Joel about the last days. So why would Peter use the Prophet Joel's prophecy if it wasn't the last days as Peter had believed?
I read Counterfeit Revival by H. Hanegraff, so then I later read Dr. M. Browns rebuttal book to it. I don't remember Dr. Browns books name it was a long time ago. But I do remember Dr. Browns rebuttal was nothing but word salad nonsense .
As soon as he said this is the outpouring of which Joel spoke..I was reminded of the gnostic nar Joel's army movement. I suggest everyone research the apostasy in that movement as it is in our current political and churches
Dr Brown is obviously New age..everything that he's saying about Unity of faith is another term used throughout the nar
Brother remember dr.brown is a supporter of NAR movement
I’m not sure what that is but I know we have differences and f opinions. That’s why I got him on the channel.
@@iThinkBiblically i mean the deliverance ministry of such salvidar,vlad and many more ge endorse those false prophets per watching revealing truth
Good talk. These so called words from God outlined by Dr Brown seem to be unnecessary and only serve to glorify the person with the “word”. Knowing your having a boy or girl is not evidence of God. There are other spirits who can be giving “words” from the spiritual realm. Is it the person with the “word” or Jesus that is glorified. Stay away from places you don’t belong. We cannot see into the spiritual realm. That area is best left to God alone.
It should be mentioned that we should assume Satan knows whether a woman is pregnant with a girl or a boy. For false prophets that give false prophecies, they likely mostly are just making everything up. But in cases where they are actually hearing the prophecies, I think it can be assumed to be they are listening to evil spirits, and in some cases, where Satan has some control, he may actually be able to force certain events that will cause prophecies to come true accordingly, or similarly. By that same token, if Michael Brown was hearing some voice telling him the gender of a child in the womb, we cannot be certain that it wasn't the voice of an evil spirit telling him that.
He has absolutely zero discernment, so why should we believe he is ever hearing from God?
The other issue is that people tend to replace the Word with "words" from the Lord. You don't have to look for or force anything... the Lord will do amazing things in our midst. Stop seeking the miracles and prophetic words.
The fact that Dr. Brown won't condemn some preacher/evangelists is most likely he has a fear of the Lord to call them heretics. He does not condone their methods either.