Ascians! 13+ Characters Explained (FFXIV)
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- Zodiark is gone, and so are the leaders of the Ascians. But there are still some of those villains out there. Pashtarot, Altima, Halmarut and more. So what do we know about the other members of this organization? Let's explore what we know about them from Final Fantasy XIV's story and speculate on their possible futures.
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I think they're all in The Burn drinking their alcohol of choice and playing triple triad
This is the best answer.
And this explains why I hate the burn so much.
Tbh, it wouldn’t surprise me if they actually where now zodiark is gone
@@silverthekitsune7007 I’m sure each of them has gone there to see if he’s actually gone. Probably had a “well, what the hell do I do now” moment
Nah. They're at the quicksand ERPing
Pashtarot showed up, saw the Warrior of Light kill everyone in ARR, and peaced out. Probably looked up in Endwalker and was like "Man, I'm glad I decided not to fight that guy."
We’re gonna find him somewhere on Eorzea running a bed and breakfast. He’ll see us and might get some PTSD.
@@StoutHelm This actually sounds like a hilarious quest line that could happen ingame in a future patch.
Reminds me of the villain guy from that animated short "Furry Force," the one with a deep voice who wanted to build parking lots
Specifically a scene where he says "Nope" and just dips out of the situation
@@chelsthegameruiner8669 given the feats from our WoL, I wouldn’t blame him. We’ve got a reputation!
@@fearlessjet I can see that happening in a Hildibrand questline. The Inspector and the WoL have a lead in a bed and breakfast, and the owner completely freaks out and swears to the WoL that he abandoned the Ascians quest and just wants a quiet life. Cue the WoL being extremely confused and going "Wait, you're an Ascian?"
And Pashtarot pales as he realizes the WoL was a regular visitor and wasn't hunting him down
i like to think when Zodiark dead, those remaining Ascians goes:
"well... shit. Zodiark's gone. What we gonna do now?"
*long silence*
Some stay they are still sitting in silence to this day.
"Wanna take up fishing? "
I'd love to see Hythlodeus again. He's just a super based, underappreciated, and wonderful person.
This is a good refresher on all the Ascians we have seen or heard of so far. I completely forgot about some of the ARR cutscenes with the Ascians.
So many of them only shown during one cutscene. Though the little details like Gaius holding the masks is a nice touch. Picking up new info from second hand sources is great for world building.
Reminder that Lahabrea got absorbed into the Nidhogg Eye that Thordan used to power himself up, then Nidhogg used (along with his other eye) to possess Estinien, and then used by Ilberd to summon Shinryu.
Safe to say that Lahabrea's pretty much a goner.
And to add, though a little late: After we defeat Shinryu in SB, Estinien is shown in the Royal Menagerie garden in Ala Mhigo destroying both Eyes. So if Lahabrea's soul was still in them, he's a goner, or at most is now part of the Source's Aetherial Sea.
There also the part where Elidibus goes "Lahabrea, gone, Emet-selch, gone, I alone remain" (or something similar). I guess the only question is if Lahabrea's "soul" joined the dead in the aetherial sea or was completely snuffed out🤔.
This is also something I'm thinking about regarding Emet's death, will he be reborn unsundered as he died unsundered, would that make him into some kind of super prodigy in his next life as well then?🤔😂
@@millamiqote8827 I've thought about that too and honestly if his soul remains about as dense as it was in life, then yeah. It's possible.
Yeah, Elidibus' soul remained trapped in the crystal tower in the First too, drained of it's Aether.
Emet is the only one of the unsundered that made it back to the Aetherial Sea.
SPOILERS FOR THE PANDAEMONIUM RAID SERIES!
Nope. Confirmation from the last raid quest shows that both of the other Unsundered souls survived! Seems that souls being drained of Aether isn’t their actual demise unless outright ripped apart. We see this from when the shade of Lahabrea’s memories dissipates, we see a glint in the Aetherial Sea, suggesting that the memories reached his soul. As for Elidibus, the English and other languages confirm that his soul is *the real deal* and it explains why he has all of his memories from the WoL’s timeline, and not just the events leading up to and including Pandaemonium in the unsundered past.
This also makes sense when you consider that souls are a rather elusive subject even in FFXIV’s own universe, they cannot simply be created at will, even the users of creation magicks admit that beings have to spontaneously gain a soul upon creation/birth.
This also goes to imply that all of the previous lesser Ascian deaths didn’t destroy their souls, and the main grievance for the organization would be that finding the reborn souls was a difficult and time wasting process, hence the decision to pluck a soul from a reflection to raise as one instead.
So we DO have a stable time loop. Venat leaves a hole in her sundering spell to let the Paragons go unsundered because she knew that they had to be unsundered to go forward and create the future she heard about but she only heard about that future because it already existed because she let them go unsundered because she heard about the future...
And I've gone cross-eyed.
Time travel always makes things incredibly wonky.
@@StoutHelm Wibbly AND wobbly.
Timey AND wimey.
@@EdBurke37 I hope we don’t do too much more of it, even though it’s heavily implied Azem could see into the future.
@@StoutHelm I honestly would have preferred a branching timeline ala the broken off 8th UC timeline. I want my Ancient buds to have happiness too.
@@StoutHelm Think it’s possible that’s why they disagreed strongly against the summoning of Zodiark and Hydaelyn? That they might have sought a different path with their foresight?
I'm gonna be honest, I was really lost and still a little lost about the whole Ascians group, had no idea what was going on part of the time. But now I completely understand what's happening, thank you for explaining it all
I’m glad this one was useful for you!
I was in a similar position with the Eden raids, so hearing a good recap of Gaia's story really helped. So she ended up at the end of Eden as having none of her memories of her time as Gaia? But she's still Rynne's friend? I'm still not clear on that...
I feel like the Overlord(?) Ascians are personally more dangerous, as seen with Nabriales and Fandaniel. I've even begun to refer to them as "Rogue Ascians" due to their motives being more unpredictable
I agree. Since their original plan can’t happen, who knows what they might do now?
Well, fandaniel's case is a bit different, but i agree on the fact that they're generally more dangerous, as they don't have as much loyalty to their cause as the three unsundered, making them more prone to chaos and going insane. At least the unsundered were doing what they were doing for a noble(?) cause.
i began playing in august 2021, and for the most part of 2.0's leveling i didn't take the ascians too seriously, but that cutscene after the credits, where they revealed zodiark's name... my first ff was 12, and since i knew how powerful he is in THAT game, i immediately realized that the ascians were NOT to be joked around with, and i remember myself saying out loud: "Oh... oh no... oh... oh, oh no...!"
in ff12, there are 13 espers, which are the game's summons. defeat one in a boss fight, you can summon it. they're espers in that they're all creations of the gods that ended up rebelling against their creators in a war which was orchestrated by the holy element esper. the espers lost this war and were banished to the mortal realm... however, of these 13, there was one that didn't partake in this war: Zodiark. he was but a child even in his boss fight, and already at that point the gods feared his growth and so kept him locked as a child when they banished him... and he is the strongest esper by a MILE! hell, it's implied that if he HAD joined the war against the gods, he would've won!
he has unavoidable non-elemental spells, becomes immune to magic for a period of time if you dispel him, has an unlimited range aoe that has a 50% chance of causing death+blind, takes reduced damage from the set damage of guns, and while he's weak to holy, he not only has reflect up whenever he can, the moment you find his elemental weakness, he shuffles his elemental resistances! on top of all this, at 20% his attack and spell speeds increase dramatically, and he becomes permanently immune to physical attacks for the rest of the fight. you MUST defeat him with spells from that point, but he still has reflect up, he still becomes temporarily immune to magic if dispelled, and he still uses that aoe death+blind!
now take that knowledge, and learn that the main villains of 14 worship a god with THAT name... god that was such a moment of clarity
Ryne is not a reincarnation of Minfiliia
there is a point in shadowbringers where its explained that Minfillia possessed girls on the first
and she was in control most of the time if not all the time for 100 years each time a girl would die she would find another suitable vessel to continue her job
with Ryne however she decided to back away and remove her self from Ryne and give her back her individuality rather than being a puppet controlled by minfilia
You’re right, reincarnation wasn’t the right word, should’ve used vessel.
I think the right word might be “incarnation” or something approximate to it due to the nature of her possession. Minfilia’s soul would have been reincarnated in the First’s Lifestream had Hydaelyn not brought her soul back to the Source. It’s kind of weird how this works.
It's more like Ryne is her reincarnation in the same sense Materia is one to Cosmos: her will, basically a incarcerated via powers successor sort of connection. Minfilia herself did say she was at that point no different from in Ascian in a way.
@@kaleajadesilver8918 it would not make sense to call her a reincarnation cause before minilia possed her she was just a regular girl and a inside the 100years there could have been countless girls before her that all probably lived short lives but some may have lived at the same periods with differnt ages etc
she has been possessing the girls as her vessel to do whatever she was doing which as mentioned was no differnt from a Ascian
this is not a reincarnation or a rebirth
@@WubstahWulf we dont have those details or how many Minfilia's there were or the gap between them. the general scenario is that each one was an independant reincarnation of Minfilia who was eventually overwritten by their past life self.
My take on the future of the ascians is totally speculative, but I kinda have a hunch that the team will want a fresh start and open up a new chapter. We might not see the story of the ascians continue, at least not in the large scale, because they might want to make room for something new.
And if they are featured, they might be used to explore what it is like when your whole purpose is taken away from you. Do you cling onto the past conflict or are you able to move on and find a new purpose? And what will that purpose be?
Of course it is not easy to make predictions purely in a chronological sense, since we have no idea whether we're even continuing the story from where the Endwalker ended. We might be sent to another shard or suddenly explore another era - whether it'll be past or even future.
But in any case, a really brilliant video that gave a much clearer picture of the group as a whole. Keep up the good work!
You’re right, it’s so hard to figure out. And thank you so much! I’m glad you enjoyed it!
I wouldn't be surprised if we see them helping people in another shard as a way to redeem them.
Yeah, my immediate thought was that when we meet them, we'll see them in different stages, deniability or acceptance. I can see a group of them will play a role as villains trying to still do the rejoining, return Zodiark or even try to seek out and revive the lost ones from Zodiark or even Emet and Lahabrea.
But they wont be the main story segment, at best they'll be like Zenos in Endwalker, a starting threat but ultimately sidetracked, and perhaps a conclusion that's more bittersweet or sad where their desperation and loose of purpose forced their hand, but ultimately it's the memories they have that torments them.
I do think however we will meet atleast one ascian who accepts what has happened and may even play a role as an ally for a moment. Whether they continue to exist or simply accept that their "duty is over" as the ancients did, who knows.
Either way they'll go away from the ascians and they'll just be a footnote on the side as the story continues, though I hope they'll still play big enough roles, some of them, whether it be aiding us or causing mayhem. I also hope we might get glimpses of who they were in the past more.
We'll likely dig into the Shards and we do know some were selectively assigned to cause a rejoining on them. I also think a story segment still left untouched is the Shards that were rejoined, and some events of some calamities we have very little insight on. Then the fact we've no idea the ancients full history, how they came to be or the very star itself.
@@pracitus me either
@@prinstyrio0 I could also see the remaining Ascians be used for a role in either a raid series or a trial questline.
I have to say, revisiting a lot of these Ascians and their stories makes you realise how they went from Evil Mwahaha Googieman to Actual People with a Goal they deemed just.
It makes you wonder how much of Endwalker was even planned out back in the days of ARR or even 1.0. We know the model used for Ascian Prime was intended to be the 1.0 Ascian model, so I'd imagine the initial story for the Ascians changed with the move to ARR, but their goals and ways of achieving said goals seemed to change again after Heavensward, more specifically with Shadowrbingers.
I mean why did the Ascians needs Louisoux's staff?
How can the WoL's growth in power be called "the limitless potential of man" when it was the Ancients who had limitless potential and "Man" was seen, rightly so, as a mere fraction of what it once was?
And why did so many of the Ascians look, act and even move like typical villains? Taking pleasure in the torment of those effected by their actions. Just look at the way Mabriales wiggles his fingers at Minphilia. Not exactly giving the impression of someone on a noble mission to bring back the lives lost to bring Zodiark about.
I'm genuinely interested to see where the story was planning to go at each stage of development and how it changed over time.
I mean, we were originally meant to go to Dalamud, not the other way around. So we know how some of the plans changed.
The staff was necessary in order to preform more summoning since you can essentially sacrifice and obtain so much more aether than without it.
As for why we have limitless potential it’s because we are able to utilise dynamis and aether. While aether is more potent, dynamis is much more useful. Aether can send you to space but no amount of aether can terraform lifeless space.
As for why they are acting stereotypical evil you can chalk that up to being sundered and then essentially having your life “rewritten” with memories that are yours but aren’t. This plus being tempered by Zodiark would do it.
In a recent live letter Yoshi P confirmed that Ascians lore was pretty much reworked in ARR and again in Heavensward. With 1.0 being such a shit show they weren't exactly planning on getting a decade of gameplay. Once ARR was shown to be popular and picking up steam they rewrote the background of the Ascians which meant a lot of retcons on their end in Heavensward. I say retcons but the way he described it sounds less like a retcon and more just a 2nd draft he didn't go in depth on how much they changed just that if you look closely at text in ARR there are some inconsistencies, but the bulk of their retcons were behind the scenes lore items they'd never even revealed to the players.
Like others have said, the ascians were reworked when they realized the game had a future. Their original story was far too shallow and predictable. The writers did wonders to make the organization sympathetic in a lot of ways. We’re better off for it. But I also wouldn’t be surprised to run into more ascians down the line.
Aren't ascians immortal? If you got infinite life. You're bound to go a little crazy... not to say arogant as well.
@@cherrydragon3120 If a sundered Ascian does somehow die they are easily replaced according the Emet-Selch. What the non-sundered do is go to one of the reflections of the source and find the sundered version of the Ascian and give them the memories of when they were whole. To the non-sundered the sundered are seen as expendable as there's 13 reflections and the source to find them again. You can see how some of the Ascians feel on being seen as expendable with Fandaniel's dialogue in Endwalker.
Honestly, I’m kind of hoping white auracite doesn’t wipe them out permanently. It’s cool as hell if it does, but it just makes me sad given that if they return to the aetherial sea, they could possibly live in this new world just fine.
As for emmerololth: I’m gonna say it was probably the original and Galuf was wrong. Oversight is the most likely option, but I prefer the “Galuf was wrong” option.
I could see them doing some retcon to course correct the oversight; and I wouldn’t mind that if it happens.
I used to think the Blade of Light did obliterate the soul, and no going back to the Aetherial Sea. After Endwalker, I don't think so anymore. We did the same maneuver to Emet-Selch that we did to Nabriales and Igeyorhm, and he went back to the Aetherial Sea. I think the White Auracyte is there merely to hold the Ascian soul in place, so it had nowhere to flee to when hit with the existential threat of the Blade of Light.
Then again, Emet-Selch had broken the Auracyte by the time the Blade of Light hit him, so I could be wrong.
@@ericbright1742 You might be on to something. The reason why he broke the Auracite is because of his infernal strenght. Interesting enough, we did not use Auracite to actually defeat Emet. At the end of the day the WoL just used the Blade of Light (or Axe here) and channeled it into a beam. Well so powerful that it kicked him out of the realm of the living. Atleast it seems that way as he also broke the Auracite. Perhaps he absorbed it tho.
@@ericbright1742 I think the blade of light is just a massive concentrated weapon of aether as opposed to something that also possesses the ability to destroy a soiul.
@@StoutHelm i would like to think he decided to return to the star, seeing us as worthy to carry on the ancients legacy
Great video. Have been looking for lore on the Ascians. I think it’s interesting that their true names are taken from Greek gods. Emet-Selch was Hades, Mitron was Artemis, Loghrif is Gaia, Fandaniel was Hermes, and I’m thinking that Lahabrea will be revealed to be Hephaestus.
I think you’re right. And thank you, I’m glad you enjoyed it.
Smart man
holy shit lmao
good job on the prediction. Now to see if Azem is Helios.
Your channel is underappreciated. I've been wanting someone to make a video like this for years, so I'm really glad you did.
Thank you so much friend, I’m glad you enjoyed it and hopefully I’ll keep pushing out videos you like. 😁
Ascians can only reform if they enter the rift through a crystal of darkness. It looked like Mitron was willingly returning to the star in his final moments. In which case he will probably be reborn as a completely new person. What i'm curious about is how the reincarnation process will handle the unsundered souls that were deposited into the aetherial sea. Do they get reborn as superhumans?
I think that’s what Yoshida said in an interview recently, that they’d be just a bit more special than the average soul if they chose to be reborn. I need to find that article.
The only Ascians/Ancients that might be reborn with the whole soul would be Emet (Basically chose to pass on despite breaking the Auracite, so he probably could have come back otherwise, let alone evidently didnt have his soul destroyed by that.) and the ones that probably were in Zodiark though. Mitron meanwhile would be reborn the same as anyone sundered given he just had the memories.
@@emetanti pretty much yeah, just him, Elidibus I guess, maybe Laha (he was sealed in Nidd's eye so when Stinky stabbed it he likely would have had his soul freed, maybe), and Hyth/others trapped in Zodiark. Heck even Venat could actually be resting properly since as Hydaelyn she like poofed while in the sea itself. But that only if any of the others choose to be reborn. Hythlodaeus while interested possibly, depends, Emet didn't seem to interested on the other hand, would assume Hyth would drag him along if decided upon even that's to become new souls.
@@kaleajadesilver8918 Considering all the things the eye went through, it would be a surprise if there was any bit of Lahabrea's soul remaining in there.
@@arahman56 Given how the new raid tier ends, I wouldn't be shocked if we get the answer to this in 6.4.
I really want them to bring back Travanchet, or address that Ascian Prime that was just loitering around in a cutscene during 1.0. Since he keeps getting referenced, seeing Travanchet again or finding out that he's a former convocation member would be so cool.
Travanchet is interesting because he’s the only named lesser ascian we know of. I do remember reading somewhere that the ascian primes were supposed to be the normal form for ascians in 1.0 but I don’t know how much truth there is to that.
I don't think we'll ever see anything again about most ascian lore from arr or 1.0 because they just silently retconned a ton of that stuff probably including that ascian prime you mentioned... Travanchet on the other hand I feel has a chance of being referenced again and this is just my own personal theory but I feel he's one of the sundered overlords we haven't seen because why would a black-masked be named? (Feel free to correct me on that though)
@@ouchie3623 they did make a point to mention him in Heavensward so it shows they haven’t entirely forgotten about him.
Your video's are just so well put together ! It's a shame you don't have more subscribers
Thank you so much friend. I’m hopeful that if I can keep making them better, our little nest egg will grow!
@5:20: This is why Zenos isn't coming back. He had no suitable host to claim, aside our own, and he didn't want that since it would mean we'd die, and he'd have no one to pit himself against.
Yep.
But he could still come back in other ways.
Something that you touched on briefly that I thought you'd go more into is the fact that there are potential shards of every convocation member on each reflection of the Source. This could be an important point going forward if and when we ever visit more of the shards because even sundered these individuals seem to be very powerful and could inherently have access to unique magicks that others simply don't even WITHOUT being elevated to becoming an Ascian again. We need look no further than Gaia on the First who even in her 15-17 year old reincarnated form had incredibly powerful magicks and could tap into them even without formal training. Yoshi P also mentioned that if an unsundered Ascian ever chose to be reborn they would be in line with what's expected of their world but just a little bit more "special."
I wasn’t aware of that point about choosing to be reborn, that is very interesting. And I could always touch on the shards from other reflections point again. I’m a big believer that Zenos is somehow from another shard… or maybe the WoL is. I don’t have a great explanation for it right bow( but it’s a fun theory!
This. Mitron mentioned that “I’ve probably been replaced already” or something along those lines. It’s my belief that any sundered Convocation member could be awakened as an Ascian. Though it is probably one of the Unsundered who has to do it…
Mitron tried to kinda-sorta awaken Gaia, but either because he was a Sin Eater or because he was a shard himself, he succeeded only partially. Gaia’s unique magic could be a result of his efforts.
@@Tioko I’ve always been under the impression that the unsundered were the only ones who could restore memories, since all of them are gone meaning the ascian threat is mostly over but Mitron did manage to awaken Loghrif using a more extreme method. Hmm. Some conflicting information there.
@@Tioko good point
@@StoutHelm Isn't everyone on the source 7/14 of their shards anyways do to the 7 calamities or rejoining's that have already happened?
This is very well done. Thank you for your synopsis!
Thank you for taking the time to check it out! I’m glad you enjoyed it.
This is so helpful. I was just thinking about this the other day while trying to explain it.
I’m glad it’s useful! Thank you for taking the time to check it out.
An important note is that it was said that Travanchet is probably not his real name - it is most likely, due to the french styling, the name of the Elezen host of whichever ascian took his body, which may make him someone we have not yet seen like Halmarut, or even Lahabrea, to whom we know changed bodies quite frequently by Emet-Selch's own complaint about the practice. Him having not appeared since heavensward, when Lahabrea was destroyed, and having come up in that same expansion, actually points to Lahabrea as a strong possibility, especially as he was, in a sense, the most important ascian in 1.0 and going into 2.0, where Lahabrea was similarly the 'face' of ascians during those expansions.
I didn’t know that, but I didn’t play much of 1.0 beyond the open beta. Interesting theory! Wish I had known this prior, would’ve been worth a mention. Thank you for sharing. :)
@@StoutHelm glad I could help! :)
I kinda feel that Galuf was wrong. and I hope he is wrong. it would make my "remaining living Ascians make Little Amaurot aka Island Sanctuary" theory a little plausible since Emm was a "healer" convocation member, and would be really helpful in manpower situations...
It would make sense. I could also see it being their second try at a shard of Emmerololith. It’s very plausible that ascians have died before.
Wow, i actually wanted to make "New Amaurot" in IS my headcanon. Could you share your theory?
This is an amazing video. You get a subscription just for this. Look forward to more!
Thanks Big Boss, new one will drop on Friday about Azem. I hope you enjoy.
I love all your videos. I have a few notes on this one based on my own studies of the Ascians:
1) Emmeroloth, Igeyorhm, and Nabriales, like Mitron and Loghrif, would have had different shards of themselves awakened by Emet-selch using their respective constellations. It is possible for all of them to be around. This is why we see Emmeroloth in that cutscene despite their other shard's death during the events that destroyed the isle of Eureka.
2) I don't think that using white auracite destroys an Ascian forever, "never to return to the Aetherial Sea," or unsundered (and dead) Emet-selch, who was destroyed with auracite, wouldn't have been able to help us out in Ultima Thule.
3) Lahabrea would have been freed to return to the Aetherial Sea upon the death of King Thordan (the primal), since Hythlodaeus was also released by Zodiark to return to the Aetherial Sea upon the latter's death. Otherwise, again, his dead self couldn't have come to help us in Ultima Thule.
4) Return to the Aetherial Sea, for an Ascian, constitutes a final death. They cannot reform themselves and return to the physical world as they can if they are permitted to flee into the Rift.
5) It is likely that the Black-masked Ascians can *also* reform themselves and return to the Rift as evidenced by the fact that a non-overlord--a Sahagin, no less--could effect the same ability simply by using the Echo. Not to mention that Zenos, using the Resonant, is able to do the same, allowing him to return to his body despite having killed himself at the end of Stormblood.
I hope you see this as a loving and constructive comment and not as a criticism. Your videos have corrected my own views on canon many a time, and I'm hopeful that I might be able to humbly do the same for you.
One incorrect thing here, Emet was not destroyed with auracite, he died 'normally' with the whole "Remember that we lived" speech.
@@SteFive I do stand corrected. I'm suddenly not wholly sure what Thancred was doing when he shattered the aetheryte and stabbed Emet-selch with it.
@@JackBurgos But Emet broke the auracite crystal, that had formed in his body, so he plunged everybody in darkness again and we as WoL with Adbert used the overflow on light inside of us, to make him a doughnut. So i would also agree, that the Auracite had no effect on him.
My work is not above critique or criticism. I do my best to research and vet but I’m not perfect, so I don’t mind that at all. The Lahabrea reference would make sense and I should’ve probably explained that better, we just didn’t get a definitive answer. However as the other commenters have pointed out, the white auracite didn’t work on Emet like it did the others so we killed him the traditional way, and he chose to believe in our cause and abandon his. Reluctantly but he still did it.
And THANK YOU. I’m so glad we’re building a group of people who really enjoy these discussions and pieces. I will keep them coming as long as there’s an audience for them.
@@StoutHelm Please do!! They're AMAZING! Like, when you mentioned that Zenos may have pulled the transporter to the WoL after their fight using dynamis, my head literally exploded. XD
Please always make more videos!
Just discovered this channel, just what I needed!
I hope your time here is well spent! Several videos similar to this one you can check out, and more coming.
This was such a great video dude, Helped remind of everything that i had forgotten lol
Thanks friend, I’m glad you enjoyed it!
Well researched summary. Good job on saying Bahamut. Gustaberg music
Ahh... I thought you had created the Asican's video (Emet - Selch, Elidibus and Labahrea.) I was searching on your list of videos. And only realize it is not there yet! Keep it coming. I am really looking forward to the lore explanation and your input. It is really nice video and I enjoy it
Not yet but they will come. I’m nearly done writing the Emet-Selch video and I’m really excited about that one. Elidibus and Lahabrea will come at some point after I cover the lore information from the raid in 6.1.
@@StoutHelm Thank you!!! Looking forward :D
This vid was great! Definitely worth another watch, and another. . . :)
Thank you friend. I’m working on ways to get more content out to you guys who are craving it. Thanks for your kind words and support.
This is gods work. Thank you for the hardwork compiling this. I'm subbing =)
Thanks friend. I’m glad you think they’re worth the sub. I hope you enjoy everything coming in the near future.
@@StoutHelm This is the first vid i watched from you. Very succinct explanation and you even point out some point i missed out playing in game so im very content with this one. Looking forward for more =)
Thank you for this! Needed a solid rundown of which is which after badgering Emet into telling you about the Convocation.
I think after the destruction of Zodiark and the return of all the Ancient he was holding to the ethereal sea. Since they were never sundered it’s always possible that they will be reborn with powers intact-time will tell.
I don’t think Gaia is completely depowered. She can still summon her mace and Ryne said that she is going to see if she can create a portal to the Source. She doesn’t have full powers of an ancient but even 1/14th of those creation magics is noting to scoff at. Im excited to find the other remaining Convocation members who are still out there. Maybe the WoL and Gaia could do a roadtrip across the shards to find the rest of the members.
I hope we visit more shards. Shadowbringers was so fun. But for now I’m content to adventure on our own star.
Yes, road trip!
I love your videos man keep up the good work
Thank you friend, they will keep coming as long as y’all want ‘em.
I didn't realize there was so much story in the various raids. I'll have to find a way to go back and do those to experience that story.
Some of them are somewhat shallow but a few of them are pretty fun to run.
Your video's are dope, ty for making them (:
I’m glad you’re enjoying them.
Great video. Thank you for the recap. Made me miss Moenbryda even more tho 😢
She was a real one. :(
I feel like it should be pointed out that, aside from the 3 unsundered ones, any other sundered overlord we killed was just 1 piece of the whole (big or small, either way). So atleast for the ones killed before Emet/Elidibus it's not impossible for the duo to have picked up new shards to fill the seats with while not letting them pick a fight with us (depending on how hard/time consuming doing this might be).🤔 Emet did mention he'd seen a number of replacements being made in the past... makes me curious now who managed to kill them before us and how. During other astral eras, or on other shards.
Hoping to start NG+ once they introduce the revamped "trust" system. Will be interesting to go through the story again now that we know everything.
I’m really excited for this too.
Great video, I just wanted to comment and say that I thought it was kinda funny the "spoiler alert" notification was an FF11 sound.
Game hits all the right nostalgia notes for me. Love sprinkling it in to my videos.
@@StoutHelm respect ✊️
Omg, there is so many lore, and I dont know each seat specialized in some basic profession like gardener and pharmacist
Yes, Emet tells us about some of the seats in Shadowbringers in some quest text dialogue. We don’t learn about all of them sadly, but we can try and make some connections from their ivalice counterparts.
A few things off about this. The Amaurotians didn't know of the Song of Oblivion, not even Hermes, since he wiped his own memories. And they didn't summon summon Zodiark for the aether he would protect them with, they summoned him because the only cause they could think of was a stagnation in celestial aether currents happening right above an area that would soon be hit by the Final Days. They summoned Zodiark as an incarnation if Umbral energy to prevent the aether currents from stagnating. They were unaware of this, but that kept aether above the area, preventing the dynamis from impacting it.
Your points are correct but they don’t really conflict with anything I said. My scripts are written from a meta perspective where we, as players, know the events and why they occurred, even if the characters themselves weren’t aware of it at the time. When I say stop the final days, I’m not implying they knew exactly what it was, but when the blasphemies started popping up, they knew there was a strange force they had to deal with. Same with why they went with Zodiark.
@@StoutHelm Valid. I just think it's important to make clear what the Amaurotians knew and didn't know. That to me helps show their actual goals and plans.
Slight correction on Ighyorom and the other defeated none-Paragons. As sundered ascian, they could find another of their sundered forms and bring them up. But, only a Paragon could do this, and they're all gone. Another form of them could have been brought up behind the scenes before the loss of Emet and Elidibus. But, that would be unlikely.
You’re right and I’m not sure how I omitted that from my script. Essentially the ascians growth stopped when the unsundered died, that’s correct.
Holy crap that's a lot of research. Great summary!
Thank you! I’m sorry it took so much longer to get it out than the usual video
I don't think Elidibus returns to the aetherial sea. Iirc his every last aether was spent to send us back to Elpis and nothing has remained, just like Venat.
Maybe we can get Yoshida to clarify that for us in a live letter. I could see it going either way.
Yoshi P said clearly that asciens story is end, that we dont (n,ormaly) see them again in futur DLC. the most probable is that with the zodiark death, they just vanished, empty of all purpose, back by their own in the star sea
As per the new 24-man raid series... We have it clear that there's some underlying threat to the Twelve. My theory is that one of the remaining Ascians is trying to seize power there now that Hydaelyn is gone.
I could see that happening. I have a hard time believing every remaining ascian would just screw off into the sunset, unless someone killed them already.
Thank you so much for this video! 👍 I have been playing FFXIV for going on 10 years now, but sadly I have the memory of a gold fish (ok but like, 10 years...), so certain details about these guys were lost to me. Recently I restarted the game with an alt and I just finished ARR and I’m currently transitioning to Heavensward. Thus far I met Lahabrea (ofc) and Elidibus! I had forgotten how early on we actually meet him! So much information is given early on and it all somehow makes sense in the end of Endwalker! I love the writing on this game. ❤️ Guess that must be why I’ve been playing it for so long lol. 🤣 Great job, thank you for sharing.
Hey there’s so much going on that it’s easy to forget some details! And thank you, I’m glad you enjoyed it.
@@StoutHelm - Yesterday (while replaying the game with my alt) I had that cutscene where Urianger and Minfilia explain how Ascian are ‘immortal’! It was perfect timing. 🤣
thank you this was a good recap for me
I have a theory about the black masked mages. I believe Lahabrea began to recreate the “Words of Lahabrea” as part of his plan to control and study the realm in preparation for the next rejoining. Just a theory, but knowing what we know about him and his research prior to the Sundering, is seems to be a viable one.
I love how all of the Ascian's plans were foiled by a "basic traveler's aid spell that prevents aetherial corruption." They probably learned it at summer camp.
Excellent summary.
Hope we might see a bit more of Igeyorhm’s story now that on patch 6.2 we will be traveling to the 13 to perhaps clear her mess.
They’ve brought other old characters back before and done well with their stories. I’d be okay with this.
They hit for me too
Love your FFXIV lore videos.
Glad to hear it!
The video I didn't know I needed!
I’m glad you enjoyed it!
Informative video
Glad you enjoyed it.
Curse you for using Gustaberg music. Bringing back so many memories. :)
That’s the goal haha glad you enjoyed it.
While Igeyorhm was destroyed in the Aetherical Research Facility, that was only one shard. There's still more shards of her soul out there, which we learn that the Unsundered just pick up and turn into Ascians when the former has been destroyed.
This is correct. There is a possibility we’ve encountered more than one Emmerololith, but that’s just speculation on wonky details from 2.0 to 3.0.
@@StoutHelm I'm hoping we see more. Would've been nice if some tried to help us against Fandaniel, but I'm betting none of them had any real loyalty in the first place, only the Unsundered did.
After knowing about Emmerololith it does make me wonder if there are other lore hiccups.
There definitely are. The issue is we’re never really told “hey, this didn’t make sense so we’re gonna change this.” It’s sort of up to interpretation and a little detective work.
all we know is that all ascians, paragons included, killed post shadowbringers are dead dead. any ascian killed between ARR and pre-Shadowbringers could very well still be alive. since the non-paragon Ascians are simple shards of the whole and could exist on the remaining shards that havent been corrupted or rejoined. So we have Emet, Elidibus, Lahabrea, Fandaniel, Loghrif, and Mitron that can be considered fully dead, even if the sundered ones still have living shards they cant come back since the crystals to rekindle their memories have been destroyed. Igy and Nabs could very well have been revived by granting another shard of their soul their memories, off screen, between their 'death' and pre-shadowbringers.
So we technically have at least 5-7 ascians that could pop up into the story at any time, on the whims of the writers if they so choose to employ them, or just brush the ascians to the side for new antagonists.
I feel like we’ll get a new threat, but give me a reformed ascian. That would be fun.
This was great !! a great assist to the game -- thank you !!
No, thank YOU!
In an recent interview Yoshi-P said they don't really have a grand plan for the Ascians in ARR/HW, so they are just being the bad guys doing bad stuff in the background.
This is correct, I had a line in my script for this but I ended up cutting it. But you’re right.
Ok, with them not coming up in this video, I would love if Azem got one of their own video's like the unsunderd. I think it be cool to see what you think of the 14th seat.
Azem is on my running list of “videos I need to make.” I may get to the seat sooner rather than later. I try to occasionally post polls to see what people really want.
@@StoutHelm Ok, cool, Good to know!
Amaurot is literally the name of the Utopia by More, and Anyder the river near it.
It will be fun to check up on the remaining Ascians in future patches/expansions, especially now that they are basically free to do whatever they want since Zodiark and the Convocation are dead/desolved. At a minimum they are powerful mages and warlords with extensive knowledge of the world/magics.
They might not even be antagonists anymore.
I’d like to see more pivots from the original plan to something less sinister.
It would be interesting to see if some ascians that were working to destroy a shard would now try to reverse that damage due to Zodiark being gone.
A shard where ascians are actually the good guys instead of shadow killers.
I think at least one of them will turn to a more positive role.
I hope something like that happens
Thanks for making this video! I love the Ascians and wish we could have saved the ancients more than keeping the sundered alive but that obviously wasn't going to happen. Nevertheless, I love to hear stories about them.
I did want to point out that it may not be true that overlords killed with a white auracite are gone for good. Unlike the unsundered, the overlords are all shards of their former souls, so if you destroy one of their soul shards, there should still be six other reflections of their souls that have not been rejoined, similar to how Ardbert is another shard of the WoL and Ryne is likely another shard of Minfilia. The question however is how they regain their memories if all of the unsundered have been murdered by the WoL and the memory crystals were given to Elidibus when he died if I recall correctly. I think all of the Ascian overlords are part of the cycle of death and rebirth on other reflections, but they may not be aware of who they once were just like Gaia wouldn't have known if Mitron hadn't been calling out to her. There is even a possibility that there is an Ascian shard of Azem out there somewhere
Honestly, I doubt the writers knew where they were going with the Ascians back in ARR and HW, because there are a lot of inconsistencies and things that don't make sense when you know the EW story like Zodiark being shown as a giant dark crystal.
This just makes me think on the two other people I keep adding into the ascian group but technically arnt which is (sry can't remember names) the white robe kid saved from the thirteenth that helped us with waring Triad but they were a wol.
The other is another Wol that if I remember right was also from the 13th, the shadowkeeper, who was also saved by Elidibus and originally given the job to help ardbert and the others become wol then turn on them and as the shadowkeeper get defeated and ardbert would get his crystal. But that failed when he refused to fight her and instead he went after the ascians that were trying to make her do this earning his crystal by defeating them. She is still alive in shadowbringers and rather interestingly if you get the broken crystals from doing the roles quests in shadowbringers you learn that story and also get them as an option in a cutscene when you get to explain to the sin eater hunters from the role quests what's going on.
Those are interesting characters, we just don’t know a ton about them. There are also technically some extra ascians shown in one cutscene but it’s never elaborates on. Could’ve been an error.
It wouldn't shock me at all to see Pashtarot rear his head. We know now that he is a "sundered" Ascian (a shard gifted with the memories of the original Convocation member), but Fandaniel showed us that even sundered Ascians can be dangerous.
i dont think that was so many info about the other ascian, but i only focus on the MSQ and not many sidequest so maybe is because of that
Many of the ascians aren’t shown at all during the main story so they’re easy to miss.
Several months later...
So yeah I believe Pashtarot is actually going to be a key player in the 6.expansion series patch quests, he might very well be Golbez or Travanchet.
Travanchet I somehow imagine seeing in the new world storyline however because he has the vibe of a mysterious foe who will show up later down the line.
As for Pashtarot, I believe hes going to be the key antagonist of the reflection themed expansions.
Can you elaborate on why you feel hell be involved?
Its going to be interesting to see what they do with the other ascians now that zodiark is gone and the final days is no longer a thing. It could be they still want to rejoin the shards to the source, but there snot much of a point anymore. Well I can't wait to see what happens to the story now.
We may not see them for awhile. They could be mucking around on other shards, but they’d be aware Zodiark is gone. Who knows what they will do now. And I’m like you, excited for the next chapter in 6.1!
there is also the 12th sword and 12th staff ascians you meet after Haukke Manor
Valid point, though they aren't super important in the grand scheme of things.
im fairly sure it was made sorta clear that the contention on zodiark didn't come from the original sacrifice but the future ones to bring back the old world they lost. venat even says that from the temptation to return to the halcyon days she will sunder them
While this is a FFXIV video, I’m loving the easter eggs in the form of FFXI sounds & music 😜
FFXI will always hold a special place in my heart .
I really hope we still learn more about them and see them into the future, even though their storyline is mostly concluded at this point. Could be interesting working together with them on something far into the future.
Maybe they decide to do something else. Even if the rejoining happened, Zodiark is gone forever, meaning there’s no path to resurrecting all of those dead ancients.
They definitely need a prologue to address where and how they move on from Zodiark. Perhaps some still want to complete the rejoining? Even without Zodiark they may still be convinced to see it done especially if they are too attached to the unsundered world. Though the loss of all 3 paragons may be what puts most of then at bay.
I would like to see Duedalaphon personally.
Bit late on seeing this, but I gotta say is that part of the in-character justification I used for creating the New Convocation of Fourteen was not only to fulfill Emet-Selch's final request, but also to have a dedicated counter-Ascian group that specifically studied their backgrounds as well as tried to fill their ORIGINAL purpose of looking after the world in order to potentially stand against the remaining possibly rogue Ascians still out there.... How successful my friends & I will be in that endeavor remains to be seen (especially since we STILL only have about half the seats filled in our group).
Of course it would be nice if we could convince them to help with our research/give up on the whole rejoining thing (especially since like 2-3 of the seats there is almost NO information available whatsoever as to what their original purpose on the original Convocation of Fourteen even was....)
I do hope the devs do have more stories or at least sidequests featuring the Ascians/Ancients in the future, though.
18:06 - Yes... Gaia's friend. That's definitely all they are. Friends. Yes. :P
In the official capacity anyway. Hahaha
Without Travanchet, there’d be no Alexander. No time travel for Graha Tia, and the 8th Umbral Calamity would have happened to our time line and we’d be dead. He’s an awesome Ascian!
SUMMARY (SPOILERS)
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--->Dead Ascians:
1)Emet-Selch: absorbed in the aetheral sea after being defeated.
2)Elidibus: absorbed in the Crystal Tower and expended for Time Travel.
3)Lahabrea: absorbed by Thordan VII, destroyed with him.
4)Fandaniel: absorbed by Zodiark, destroyed with him.
5)Igeyorhm: absorbed in white auracite and destroyed by Nidhogg's eye.
6)Nebriales: absorbed in white auracite and destroyed by moenbryda.
7)Loghrif: Forgets, Remembers, and then Quits.
8)Mitron: Loghrif quits, cries himself to death.
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--->Dead? Ascians:
9)Altima: Sent to the Rift by Gaius. OR death by Gaius.
10)Deudalaphon: Sent to the Rift by Gaius. OR death by Gaius.
11)Emmerololith: Chilling in the Rift. OR scattered in the Lifestream.
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---> Alive Ascians:
12)Pashtarot: Either crying for Zodiark death or asking where the F everybody is... especially Halmarut who is never present.
13)Halmarut: Probably gathering plants. Maybe he found his own Island Sanctuary.
Accurate except for Loghrif, who is Gaia, and still alive.
I just wanna see Gaia and Ryne in their coffee biscuits shenanigans. ;-;
I'm wondering if the pieces of Zodiark that haven't been reunited with the source died with him, or are we going to have possible opportunities to facing these "Shards of Zodiark" where they're contained?
Elidibus tells us in the crystal tower that all of Zodiark’s shards would die with the original on the source.
All we know about the Ascians now is that two of the Overlords and one of the Lesser are still active. Which means potential future foes in the story now the current arc has concluded. Since 6.1 takes the story in a completely new direction, the likelihood we'll encounter them again in the MSQ is unlikely. It's more likely they could be potential foil material for future job quests.
The job quests are always designed so they do not spoil the MSQ for points that haven't been reached of yet and only contain any story elements from expansions prior to their launch point. Which likely means that the Overlords could show up in job quests which start at level 70/80 that are added in 7.0; Assuming we get anymore jobs added and were likely reserved for this but haven't been made use of. Though to be honest I don't think anymore jobs will be added to the game after Endwalker.
I have a feeling we will encounter Halmarult in the Pandemonium raid series.
We’ll see if you’re right!
Emmerololth, Pashtarot, Halmalut. It was three unsundered that kept the plans going for rejoining Zodiark, now that He's dead I don't see why the last three couldn't try to summon Him again. All they have to do is kill somewhat over half the population of the Source to get the required aether. I don't think this is something they'll do in the game since the Zodiark/Hydaelyn arc is supposed to be over, but it would be a possibility otherwise. Realistically, seems the sundered Ascians are affected a lot by their mortal lives even after being elevated to their seats so who knows, maybe they'll just continue with their own works in bettering the star as they did with the convocation. Would be nice to see them later as allies or experts in their fields aiding the mortal races of different shards. Or heck, who knows, they might even show up sooner than that to help restore the Thirteenth.
I could see the other ascians working toward a new goal. Technically they could still trigger a rejoining, but Zodiark is permanently gone.
It will take much more than half of the source to do that. The original summoning took half of the Ancient's, each of whom were huge beacons of aether who also focused their creation magics, to summon him. Its unlikely they'll want to do that anyway, given theres no point since the purpose of zodiarks existence is no longer around.
Atleast a couple, most definately Travanchet, will go down their own paths and motivations in a less than moral manner.
summoning him again would be pointless, them getting the aether required would be pretty much impossible, and his heart is dead too, and they summoned him to protect against meteion, who is gone so what would be the point? the people they wanted to bring back where inside zodiark but since he died they returned to the sea. their only goal could be to rejoin the world to the paradise at least but shards can't do that. soooooo literally 0 point
@@Angarato86 It would be pointless, as I said "I don't think this is something they'll do in the game" so it is just idle musings.
As for it being impossible, that's incorrect. As long as there's a will and a concept anything can be summoned, that's literally what we've been learning and dealing with for four out of the five expansions (considering 2.0 an expansion). There is no actual impediment for the remaining Ascians to cause more rejoinings, gather enough aether, and perform a new summoning if they were hellbent on it. Of course, that is not going to happen in the game, there would be no point narratively for doing it, lorewise/in-universe it's really unlikely but still a possibility until we know exactly what the goals and actions are of the remaining Ascians.
But, again, realistically, they are not going to stretch this narrative any longer, the game is done with it. Only idle musings.
@@HCSR2 im pretty sure it is heavily implied that only the unsundered ascians can rejoin shards.
also the sundered ascians cannot use creation magic afaik
I think the one's that are still alive definitely opened up a cafe venue together
what i mostly wonder is... arent there like. 6 other fandaniels and stuff left? hermes was sundered, his source shard died in endwalker but what about the other shards? just like ardbert and a few unknown shards of us(azem) are still around. it could be that the sharded ascians dont know theyre ascians cause emet-selch didnt give them their soul crystals to raise them up. but fandaniel's shards would still have those memories of hermes that he erased with kairos.
won't the sundered have other versions of themselves on other shards? or am i misunderstanding how it works?
Pashtarot, has the dark scion name as the zeromus... which was the ff4 real final boss.... so i guess we might see him in these next arc.. something to do with golbez i guess?
I think we are about to find out in dawntrail
I hope to see Gaia on Etheirys, some day
I wouldn’t be surprised if we did.
The real Ascian is Yoshi-P. He turned final fantasy into WoW and DMC. Will the Warriors of the Crystal save us from this evil.
The true mastermind.
16:38 what is that glam you're wearing?
Where is it mentioned that Unukalhai was the one Igeyorhm fought? I thought it was one of the other Warriors of Light, since they were all scattered? Swear he said he was unable to do much because he was young.
I thought the lion-looking red mask on Gaius' belt was Fandaniel's, since Leo is his constellation
I thought that too, but Yoshida says otherwise.
I can’t remember but weren’t there 3 black masked ascians in hauke manor? Their names were 12th spear or something like that.
Might be, I haven’t landed there in a hot minute. I’ll have to rerun it and see.
The 12th Spear, Sword, & Chalice.
They were servants to Lahabrea, you encounter them in the SMN questline. (You kill Chalice with your first Deathflare ever, lmao.)
Presumably with all the events prior up to today, they are more or less not a threat. Unless something happens in future SMN quests with them or something...
@@HintedImage thank you for the added information on this.
Maybe the Ascians that Gaius "destroyed" are hopping around other Shards, maintaining the existence of the Shards of Zodiark to be used against the Warrior of Light and continue the mission of restoring Ethyris.
I’ll be surprised if there’s not at least one still floating around.
@@StoutHelm Same. The remaining Ascians are too good of a loose story thread to just leave hanging about without exploring what the remnant of their order is up to.