Slavens Racing - Jeff's Top 3 Rear Tires for Gnarly Trails
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- This video is about Jeff's Top 3 Rear Tires for Gnarly Trails
Shinko 505 Cheater slavensracing....
MotoZ Arena Hybrid Gummy slavensracing....
IRC VE33S slavensracing....
TUbliss slavensracing....
SOFT Nitro Mousse slavensracing....
Glad to hear you liked our VE33S Gekkota! Great reviews, keep it up!
What is the IRC VE33R like in your opinion?
Love the Gekkota brothers, both IX09 and VE33S. Also a big fan of the m5b. Wish you had greater availability of front hard enduro tires. Big IRC fan here
I remember standard equipment IRCs from the old days. Dunno if you can ever live that down.
Id love a ve33s in a 120/100 or 120/90 18. Doesn’t look like you guys make that size currently
@@cheesychuck123 they're 110 is closer to a 120 from other manufacturers
Just ordered my VE33S and M59 combo for my TE300 from you guys. Great info here!
Thank you
I run 5 lbs on Tubliss on the VE33S. 60 hrs on them riding CO, UT, ID. Won't change them until I rip one of the lugs, still good tread on them. They are all cracking at the base but not one has ripped off yet. Great tire.
I don’t know about you guys but this is like eye candy, the only thing missing is the smell of the fresh rubber! 😎😎👍🏼👍🏼
All three of these tires are absolutely outstanding. I personally run the 505 Cheater in Colorado. For the price, it's just awesome.
Thanks Jeff! always appreciate the insight. I learn a lot from your videos
I have a shinko 505 cheater on my kdx 200. Here in north west Georgia the tire performs great! I run 10-12 pounds with a heavy tube. 90 % of our riding is on tight single track and this tire is hard to beat. I bought this tire based on your recommendation and your test video. Thanks,
arena hybrid is working amazing and i will be buying that tire again once mine wears.
I've never tried the IRC, but have tried the MOTO Z in the past (and I remember liking it). The Shinko 505 however, is the best tire I have ever had. We ride rocky mountain sharp rocks & roots, tight stuff requiring low gearing & hillclimbs on scree slopes and old mine tailing piles. I have 2 YEARS on my current 505!! Mind you we only ride 6 months a year here but that's about 250 hours including 4 races on this tire. I run Tubliss and used to go through about 4 tires a year..
What do you ride a ttr 125 lol?
On my yz450fx I'll get mabey 15 to 20 hours out of a tire max no matter the tire that thing just eats them up
@Phil Mccrevasse single track or not ... 2 years on a rear tire ???
Impossible if you ride a real bike and use the throttle
The IRC VE33s is a very predictable rear tire that works great on all conditions and really performs on the dry and harder terrain. The tire was still working great when I replaced it w a total of 720 miles on it . I’m not going to try anymore rear tires for now.
The 33s is the go to rear tire for me .
The Shinko Cheater is amazing in rocky, hilly and roots. The best tire I've ever owned for that terrain.
I started to use the new Michelin Enduro Medium in the rear last summer and they are great, insane traction very much like the famous GT216X, and wear is not that bad for this kind of tire.
This year I just installed a front fatty one and it is very great too, give good confidences whit is precise handling, less arm fatigue in rocks, kind of 'smooth the things off'. I can't tell for the wear for this one, lets see in couple of weeks.
Rear at 8psi while front at 12 with both UHD Michelin tube. Pretty much 'poncture free'!!
Can you please tell me where u got the michelin enduro medium?? I cant seem to find it anywhere online. Also do u know what the difference is between their hard eduro and their medium enduro?
@@noahworth8253 Ask Mr Slavens! Probably he can have it.
I also have just put 1000kms on the enduro mediums, great until you are in mud or sand, everything else is great!
Great review, thanks!
I've been running VE33s for decades. Best trail tire. Will have to try a VE33S next.
Those are the same tire.
I really love motoz brand tires.. there great.. the tractionator IT is a great all around tire... Robert Jr NJ here XR 650 owner myself..
i agree they are a great tire and last a reasonable amount of time, they hook up amazing when new
Good info. I learned a few things. Thanks for sharing your expertise.
Trail ambassador, very well put, and thank you so much for your amazing information as always!!!
You're welcome.
My next rear tire will be a motoz. I've been running on my stock geomax mx52 tires that came on my yz250, aired down to 11F and 9R with stock tubes, they been doing awesome. I almost never slip or spin out on rock. And the rear is a 19 inch rim still. Either way it's about having funn.
Been loving the MotoZ Arena Hybrid on my Beta 450RR, they last forever. Just installed the IRC VE-33S on my 250i for 100 miles they have GREAT traction in the Sierra-Nevada mountains. I’m gonna try the Arena Hybrid on the 250i next.
Motoz w super soft mousse equals best combo for me after 12 different tires and mousse and tubliss. Tested all top tires... golden Michelin irc shinko... it corners and brakes best... as long as super soft mousse grips as well as any... deep enough lugs for mechanical hill climb traction... lasts longer than any gummies I’ve tried... however with tubliss I got a cut same spot he showed in video running 5 psi.
Great video, like the advise about the moose bib being too hard, made that mistake myself
That the 505 Cheater is the lightest carcass of the 3 is almost unbelievable. Its a tank. Super thick sidewall
I've had three of the motz hybrid gummys. All three of them would on occasion give the sensation of a flat. The first time it happened I actually started to head for the truck then stopped to look and it wasn't flat. I was running 11 to 12 psi. Aside from that I really liked them. I'm currently running the 505 shinko. So far I love that tire. It's a big carcass which seems to aid in smoothing out the ride. I'm running 10 psi. To be fair though I haven't ridden in mud with it yet.
I Wish I had a pile of any of those tires!!
Wheres the Sadona MX907 at? Thats by far the best!
Jeff, have you tested the metzler mc360 mid soft? Great videos, keep them coming!
Excellent video. I run the cheater because of the excellent traction and price.
Been rideing in az my whole liferovcks sand sand rocks take yr pick lol i prefur tires that have knobs and hold air lol as long as they fill that i w do my job ,but i do like the kenda parker dt holds up great but i but all my tires used from a bike shop in lake havasu 20 buks so i always rip them up no mater who made or what they cost someone else lol😅
Try GOLDENTYRE'S unbelievable feel and traction!
Maybe a good idea to put links to your social media pages in the video description. :)
I must change my tires way early !
Please do a front tire update and the 525 cheater tire.
I use to run Motoz on the rear of my CRF 450 for Motocross, Brilliant Tyre, especially in the Loam, and mud, but has a slightly more aggressive tread pattern, so not so good on the Hard pack, especially if the tyre was getting older and worn and the Hard baked Track had just been watered. But then again what tyre is good under those conditions.
I really like the kenda equilibrium at about 5 psi.
Have you try the D803GP Bridgestone trial tire? you will be in love.
@@moronanticriss I think you mean the Dunlop 803? If so I have run all the trils tires and I like em, the Michelin and the irc are the sticky ones, the perllie works great for DS bikes.
Great video! I personally have run the 505 and loved the traction. Durability was good but I did not like the braking at all. I also ran the Motoz and the durability was the best although of the gummys I've tried. Although I thought the 505 and Ibex had a little better drive. Interestingly I did puncture the bead at around 4 psi. I've run 3 Ibex tires and like those the best for the money. They don't last as long as the MotoZ but its $30 cheaper. I can get around 500 miles out of them yet other people can shred them in 50 so go figure. I have an AT81EX to try next.
Did you ever try the at81ex?
thanks Jeff!
Great vids Jeff, always informative. Any thoughts on the Dunlop AT81 Ex or the Tusk Recon?
Sean: The AT81EX is a high performance tire designed for extreme events and conditions. It works very well but has a short service life. Recon? There will never be any Tusk junk in my store or on my bike.
I have at81 right now and I got maybe 60 miles before the tread lugs were angled all the way down due to it wearing so damn fast
Hi Jeff, another great video. Did you not include the IBEX because it's to close to the Shinko at a higher price point?
I'm somewhat surprised he didn't include the ibex. But then again, he tries way more tires than I.
@@MichaelAbramo weird...I've never seen him ride!
@@dkwtu1 Come to Colorado
Hey Jeff. How does the Ibex compare to these tire? Just wondering as I have had great experience with ibex on the east coast.
@@slaverace1 I would love to come over and ride with ya. Always looking for good spots and good people to ride with!
good vid Thanks, what about front?
Great Video Jeff. What do you recommend for clay/rocky enduro/motocross track?
Thanks for the video I appreciate you opinion. If you don't mind what do you prefer for a desert tire southwest Idaho so I got a good mix of loose gravel, sand and hard rock faces.
I would use the MotoZ.
@@slaverace1 thank you!
Great video! I'm not sure I got which you recommended for mud terrain or if you did. Which is best for mud? Thanks !
MotoZ
Have you tried the Mitas Co2 Stoneking? I ride enduro and greenlanes in the uk. I love the tyre but im debating switching to motoz tractionator enduro rear... id love to know where people rate the mitas though!
Hi Jeff, I remember you really liking the Kenda IBEX a few years before this video. How does it compare to the three tires here?
Hoping he responds to this.
with a tube and these tire 13 lbs good?
13lbs down grades performance significantly. Try 8 lbs with tubes or come out of the cave and switch to TUbliss.
definately irc ve33s best tire of all 3
I like the shinko 525 cheater but the motaz is very, very, very good too. Haven’t tried the IRC. The motaz tho is spectacular.
Do you like the Motoz Arena non-gummy version as well? Thinking for use as a trail/desert tire it might be a better choice for me.
I sometimes use the non-gummy on my 500. Good tire.
What size do you run with these tires? Benefits for hard enduro?
Mx channels seem to keep to 110 or 100 for track... graham jarvis I think uses 140 with moose foam. No one for hard enduro has talked rear tire sizing options that I can find.
What’s your favoriting dual sport tire Jeff?
Stay tuned.
How do they do in the corners? I'm riding an IRC M5B and they are unpredictable in the corners
Hello:
All tires with gummy compounds have a squirmy feel when cornering fast.
Mr. Slavens, thanks for the vid. I know this is an older video, but I hope you still review your vids because I have question. Which of the three has the shortest profile (sidewall)? I currently have the 505 (120/18) Cheater and it is a great tire for traction, but due to its tall sidewall it has made the bike a little on the tall side. I believe what you said about how it can affect handling is true, because I believe it is stink-bugging the bike which maybe causing it to knifing into corners. My sag is on the money, the springs are set for my weight, Golden Tyer Fatty up front, forks second line down on the triple clamps, and the stock suspension is set to middle of the road per the manual. Thanks in advance Sir.
I disagree that your sag is "on the money". Sag numbers are nothing more than a starting point and nothing but numbers. If your sag was perfect you wouldn't be complaining about how it steers. The entire point of sag is to make the bike handle correctly by having correct balance. When you installed the tall 505 it made the bike out of balance and you should increase the sag to correct the balance.
Jeff Slavens , ok cool. That makes sense. BTW I appreciate the reply👍. I will adjust it and test. You got a new customer.
Sag is only part of the steering equation. If you forks are off that will also cause your steering to be bad. I get my sag right so the rear feels good and use the fork height to get the steering the way I like. Fork height makes a ton of difference.
@@kyl3dr thanks for the input my friend. I got a 110 tire with a much smaller diameter, and the bike handles much better ( the uneasiness in corners have been pretty much negated). I feel my forks in the clamp are close to right (even with the bottom line) and spring rate fore and aft are good for my ride weight (205 with gear and pack). 👍
Any good 140/80x18" tires? I'm still running an IRC intermediate
Have you tested the 525 gummy? How does it compare to the motoz if you have?
525 gummy is my favourite all round. Amazing tyre and I've had heaps of other brands.
@@Cee-FJedi I'm with you. I've tried all the tires in the video and the 525 is still my favorite.
For the terrain I ride, the 525 has too short of a service life. It has excellent traction but as with all tires, it works for some guys and not for others.
I really want to try the MX907 hp or the ve33s
I find the Metzeler 6days fantastic
Has anyone tried the Shinko 520 DC (dual compound ) looks like it would be a good tire for a variety of terrain.
Check out Tokyo Offroad channel. He's been running one recently.
Ive been swapping between 3 tyres 120 size with Tubliss. Golden tyres 333, 323 & Shinko 505 cheater, the GT's are great all round with the 323 leaning to mud/ soft, and are a harder rubber. The Shinko is gummy but won't wear out and grips like S#@t to a blanket! The GT's wear at a normal rate.
Ve33”s have been my favorite so far. The 505 is a great tire for the price. But here in the south east we ride a bunch of hard pack clay and the 505 gives me really bad wheel bearing feels. The first time I rode on one I kept checking my back wheel. Tried 8-18 psi. Never could get it to feel right.
I bought the ve33s and loved its performance but the lugs cracked at the base prematurely. I'm running low pressure with ultra heavy tubes. Have you had this issue??
I purchased them from slavens and would again but I buy the motoz arena hybrid gummy now I feel it is superior.
Yes, the knobs crack at the base with low pressure but it is not a problem with tubes or mousses. With TUbliss a sealant must be added.
Hi Jeff. I know this is a very subjective question but do you think the MotoZ would be too much tire for a TE125? I have a Shinko 525 cheater with tubliss on it now and no one makes a 100/100 18 which is the recommended tire size for a 125. Thanks for the video. Cheers.....
Wouldn't be my choice for a 125/150. It's too big/heavy and will zap HP from your little buzz bomb. The 505 Cheater is slightly undersized and lighter and would work better.
Can I use the motoz arena for dual sport use ..I have a 250 L
Hello:
Sure, but not the gummy version.
Hey Jeff. Thanks for the video sir. How do these tires compare to the Maxis Desert IT? I have a buddy who rides trails up here in the North West (Washington) and says they are great tires compare to some of the older stuff he's used. Any thoughts are much appreciated as I'm going to be replacing mine soon. Thanks.
The Desert IT Maxxis is a great tire for the intended terrain, DESERT. Definitely not a good choice for gnarly trails.
The Maxxis Maxxcross IT would be more suitable. It's not a gummy tire, but in my opinion gets good traction in all terrain and wears well.
Jeff... I ride a 500 exc in Florida. Lots of sand but I need to get there... And it's not all sand. Any recs for front and rear?
Give us a call. My guys will talk tires with you.
If the nitro mousse gives a 10-12 PSI Progressive Feel, how does that differ between the lighter carcass 505 and the heavier Motoz? Or Wouldn't it even matter?
Hello:
The Platinum Nitro feels more like 12-14 PSI but the firmness of the tire carcass still has the same effect as with tubes or Tubliss.
Hi Jeff, I purchased a Motoz Arena Hybrid from you folks a while back. While I love it, I find that if I run a psi lower than 10, the rear end bounces all over the place. I'm riding a KTM 200. Could it be an issue with the large/wide center knobs or possibly the carcas? I'd like to run 6-8 in the rear so perhaps I should choose a different tire?
Hello:
Thank you for the purchase. Your comment is confusing because more air = more air spring and more bounce, not less. That tire is big for a 200 but that is not the issue. Sounds like a shock issue. Shocks should be serviced every 50-60 hours and I suspect yours might be well beyond that service limit.
@@slaverace1 Thanks for the speedy response! I've tried a bunch of different compression and rebound settings and also have my suspension serviced every 50-60 as recommended. The suspension has been set up for my weight and riding style as well. I was previously running a Maxxis Maxxcross IT with pressues in the 6-10psi range and never experienced this bouncing issue. I know it sounds strange and I can't say I've ever had the same issue with any other tire on any other bike. Less air has always meant less bounce. As long as I'm running at least 10psi the Motoz has been fantastic and wears quite well.
What would y’all recommend for West Virginia riding and hare scramble racing? I’m on a Yz250
It's hard finding a good XC tire for a 19" wheel. There's a pirelli that does pretty good but I can't remember the name. I believe they make the ve33 in 19
What's the difference in the MotoZ Arena vs. Arena BFM?
Standard compound versus gummy compound.
curious as to what width you're generally running in these tires
steve zatrine
110 on the 300
Can I put tubeless inserts in the MotoZ arena hybrid
Yes
I ride on trails and street is the d606 a good one for the ktm 500 excf
606 is fine for street and dirt roads but not much of a trail tire.
What's a good trail tire that will last I go on pole.lines and dirt front and rear tire
The IRC M5B is also an amazing tire. Surprised it is not on the list.
Dude. No.
That tire has a hard compound which is great for soft terrain like mud and sand but it will chunk like crazy on rocks and hard surfaces.
I ride a pretty unique terrain that includes rocks and roots along with soft coal pits and some mud. I have the m5b on right now and it performs pretty well across the board. No chunking on the rocks.
Dakota Newman I ride mostly rocky shaly terrain. It holds up the best in those conditions. I have not found a better tire for my style of riding.
Jeff, What is your preferred size in the Shinko & Motoz?
Joe: I have size information on those pages. slavensracing.com/shop/arena-hybrid-gummy-bfm-tire-motoz/ slavensracing.com/shop/505s-hybrid-cheater-tires-shinko/
@@slaverace1 Thank You
Is that IRC on backwards? Looks like it would work better flipped.
Curious if you’ve tried the Kenda Equilibrium? A buddy has one and swears by it.
Its a great tire but compared to the shinko 525 the life span is really damn short. Then again the compound is so soft that if you avoid loose terrain it will still stick to any hard surface even with all the knobs worn off.
Yes. It's not in the same league as my top 3.
Had to laugh and comment. What trail ISN'T gnarley, the blacktop trail?? Oh well, you had to name the video something I suppose. I ride on the road a lot so always used hard terrain tyres, usually Dunlop. Thanks for the video. Gummy is an attempt to explain the grippy rubber concept to the masses, I suppose.
13 lbs in a tube very rocky trails , can go lower safety?
What needs to be done to go tubeless?
New 300xcw
slavensracing.com/shop/tubliss-tubeless-core-tire-system-nuetech/
No trials tires? Curious why.
I used them before the hybrid tires were available. Great traction on rocks, mediocre on most other terrain and very poor stopping plus the dreaded wiggle.
If you need help testing my address is on file.😬
Have you tried the at81ex have not seen many reviews on it
Yes, it works very well but has a short service life.
@@slaverace1 I think for my first gummy I'm going to try either a shinko or a tusk recon. Both should be better tha. The mx33 that comes stock on my bike
Jeff how's the Ibex Gummy compare?
The iBex has excellent traction but the sidewalls cut too easily for me.
The Ibex loses lugs like crazy too.
Are any of these tires DOT approved?
Guessing not given the gummy compund
Who cares?? As long as they don't have that 'Not for highway use' b.s on the side. These will grip the tar.
@@redtobertshateshandles need DOT approved to title my bike in MI. They look for the DOT approval on the tires.
I'm currently using a Shinko and am surprised at how much I like it, before that I'd been using Kenda Equilibrium. I laugh at anyone who runs anything but hybrid tires in the rocks these days.
Just moved away from my D803GP to the 525 cheater
Alright selection for the budget conscious. The GT333 still out performs this lot and lasts forever.
Only one of the three is a budget tire. The GT333 is a damn good tire but does NOT outperform any of these tires in gnarly conditions.
The gt333 is pretty good. I run it at 4-10psi depending on the conditions. Really liking it so far.
Cheese and friken rice! Edit in type- the NAME Of The TIRE, OR MENTION IT MORE THAN ONCE. you go back and forth and NEVER MENTION THE NAME OF YOUR FAVORITE TIRE again. Of course You know what your talking about.
Hello Jim:
Stay tuned. A new video is in the works.
wtf. I’m getting maybe 15 hours out of these tires. How money hours do you think you’re getting? Sounds like a bunch of miles compared to hours
Hello:
These are no longer my top 3. Stay tuned for a new video.