Dude this is a public service announcement and you are a humanitarian. the amount of work to go into this vid. must have been staggering. awesome job and thank you for the work you put in here.
UPDATE: As of A20.1 loot tiers have shifted. They are as follows: Tier 0 (1-41) Tier 1 (42-101) Tier 2 (102-191) Tier 3 (192+) After lootstage 290, you will no longer see changes to your loot. This is effectively the maximum lootstage, even if the game can display higher numbers.
Would you mind posting a link to a google doc to an updated lootstage graph with these figures, similar to what you had in the video at 10:05? Or do we just need to shift all tiers by the difference?
Good to know I'm just unlucky then lmao. In the Wasteland biome and inside a tier 3+ POI, my loot stage is 300, but the only level 6 gear I've found is from Trader mission rewards :/
so after max loot points it's only gameday that counts? I'm standin over 350 loot stage at day 45 (UL-mod) so I still need to wait 20+ more day to get max loot? I want to find that weapon that use .50cal
Wow, amazing every time how much time and effort you put into the research for these videos! Thank you for explaining this, because it's definitely something the group was wondering about. Now we know!!
Your loot explained videos and heat video were what brought me to you in the first place. I've never seen someone put that much effort and research into a deep dive video like that and also explain it so well! After that I watched the entire road series. Amazing job!
The lootstage boost from more difficult biomes seems very worth it, as long as the biome itself isn't going to kill you every time you step outside. I've found that you can get a lot of mileage out of putting level ups into a favorite ranged weapon perk and crafting a higher tier and quality than you have available to you. This'll let you complete quests more easily, which means you'll have the dukes to buy things outside your ability to craft or find.
pls make a video about the traders kits (the ones they give when passing to tier 2 missions and above) i want someone to explain to me all about them lol, great video as always, i like how the loot system works now
This is such a phenomenal breakdown. Really appreciate they way you approach things from both the data and mechanics side as well as a more practical application. I know personally I'm looking forwad to pushing into the more harsh biomes early game with lucky looter!
My dude - you have such a remarkable brain. So cool of you to compile the math for the 7DTD community. Def hard to remember, but something to come back to when there's questions! Well done!
This was exactly what I was going to do! Thanks for asking. Tonight I’m going to find a tier 5 poi in the wasteland and start setting up my new horde base! HORDE BASE HOOO AH AH!!
Great video and thanks for sharing. I have over 4000 hours in this game and your videos are almost always helpful. Please keep up the good work. Thanks, Chris
My friends and I haven't touched 7D2D since 2016/2017. We've gotten back into it recently and find your tutorials very helpful. I'm not a huge fan of long intros and outros but the way you section your videos and the large amound of effort that goes to them does not go unnocticed. Keep it up!
Usually I have a lot of fun researching this stuff for myself, but I play so many early access games that change so much over time, videos like this are really useful. You seem to go pretty in depth, and you don't waste much time or drag out your explanations. Very informative and concise. I'll definitely check out your other videos. EDIT: And you end it with a big explosion. Well done.
I’ve put a few hundred hours in this game . I definitely learned something and think the loot stages are a welcome change. I look forward to maximize my looting capabilities.
Hot damn Tem talk about doing your homework, great stuff on digging all this date up. I can tell this took you a tremendous amount of time. I know for sure this will also bring more eyes to GNS. Its how I found your channel with your Alpha 19 Loot Table video.
Huh the change to lucky looter is an interesting one. VERY handy if you want to minmax your loot potential by leaving the forest and heading for the snow or wasteland, and it just gets handier as you both level up and poi tier level up. Not so useful, at least early game, in the forest. But I like it. Last time it was barely useful for bumping to the next tier sooner in alpha 19 and for end game boosts to tier 3 loot quality and numbers. It might be worth putting points into once I get my primary build setup and am ready to spread out into supplementary skills.
I want to say thank you for actually going through the game files. A lot of people will say something like "definitive" but it's just more of what they observed.
Side observation: I'm assuming that loot stage affects zombie drops, or "Z-packs". I wonder if you were settled near an alternate biome to the pine forest, if it would be "better" to build a horde base in that biome and acquire better loot through the zombie loot bags by morning versus if you were in the forest. Fantastic analysis in this video, this obviously took many hours to create and test. We, the 7D2D community, thank you for your effort and time. :)
Loot stage affects the loot within z-packs but not the type of pack that is dropped. Things like feral wights, mutated, and lumberjacks can drop the blue bags, and demos can drop the red bags. So living in the snow or wasteland gives you higher probability of getting the better bags and you get better lootstage so better stuff in the bags too
@@GunsNerdsandSteel You said that snow/wasteland gives a "higher probability" of better bags. That's just in general, right - not for horde nights? I'm guessing horde nights still have the same general zombies depending on gamestage/night number regardless of biome, right?
I remember in Alpha 19 at around game stage 100 or so, I'd still find a few level 6 blunderbuss' every day regardless of what POI I was raiding. I even found one inside a pile of trash in the middle of nowhere.
I used to primarily skill Lucky Looter first, because of an older run where I only found busted gear for that stage. Now I know why that doesn't work anymore.
After gaining decent environmental protection, head to a snow biome nearby your starting town (in early game) and raid a few POIs. The loot will always be better than in the forest.
as a general rule, I personally open everything I see in a POI and always go with a quest there. It's all RNG you never know what you might find and when you might find it and the quest will help at the end with good loot, once i've found some medicinal loot in the trash when i needed it the most, so yeah check everything and keep on hoarding :D
I am not much for testing, but I got an idea in my head while at the trader turning in a quest and tried it out and it might be something worth testing. I am not sure if the contents are predetermined or random, but the loot packs you get from the trader seem to be affected by loot stage as well. I took the SMG pack from the trader in the green grass biome. Instead of just opening it where I was, I took it into the edge of the wasteland, put on lucky looter goggles, used an eye candy and opened it. I got a quality 6 SMG-5 and 300 rounds of 9 mil from the box. I was only level 27 at the time. So the packs might be awesome to store up and open in a higher tier biome, or it might have just been stupid dumb luck. Thought I would mention it for those who like to test such things.
Amazing video brother! I COMPLETELY forgot about the biome tier increase! I’ve been chilling in my forest base all the way to lvl 65 and I’ve been annoyed at the same ol’ loot only minorly improving! DANG IT!!
Great video! I was only looking for a little bit of information, but I got the whole kit and caboodle with this one! My friends and I just started a new game and as usual we plopped down close to where we started (forest), so I'll be looking to convince them to moving our base a bit closer to wasteland, or at least snow, for the 'free' lootstage bonus.
Wow. Loot stage in 7 days always confused me now I have better understanding of my confusion. Haha 🤣 But seriously love your breakdowns of this kind of nerdy stuff. 💙😊💯
idk how you figured this out but this is amazing. Im day 60 ish in the wasteland with level 4 looter perk and ive found maybe 8 pink augers but i still havent found a pink steel pickaxe. I dont understand the math but great video! and as i unpaused and watched another 30 seconds... i realized why i never found a pink steel pickaxe but keep finding augers, which is kind of annoying... so now knowing this, ill have to purposely lower my loot stage to hopefully find one. and i dont feel like doing the math, so i guess im stuck with the t5 steel pickaxe. again thanks for the video and im sorry by a21, all of your hard work done here will probably be obsolete lol
The file is an A19 spreadsheet, as you see _game_ stage is listed across the top, doesnt show loot stage. But the graphic does illustrate how tiers are layered
Sweet god thank you. I somewhat understood lootstage but this is so helpful in letting me understand why I keep finding terrible garbage all over the place. So many damn cans.
@@GunsNerdsandSteel Ya it seems... really bad. Which sucks cuz that's where you start of Navezgane and the Wasteland is too rough and the Tundra is freezing, thus leaving the desert that I need to find.
I somehow managed to skip over the pump shotguns in my run and found an auto shotgun. Good to know that it was because of location, level, and POI and not just me being insanely lucky
Great video, I don't really try to Min./Max. my gameplay but having a good idea of how game mechanics work is very helpful. I quite often put a point into Lucky looter or salvage operations early game because even if they aren't great right away you will already have them when you pass a certain threshold and won't need to level up to start benefitting from them. Of course I usually build my character with Intellect as primary backed up with perception and fortitude because nothing beats a nerd with a machine gun and explosives.
Damn good videos as always! So excited about the new alpha 20. It's too bad the only way I can play most games is by using GeForce Now, and the new alpha hasn't been uploaded as of yet. Hopefully they will soon, but until then, I'll have to live my life through your videos. lol =]
Is that the A19 loot introduction chart you are showing @ 10:15? If so, that chart doesn't reference the new primitive weapons so does all of the other information translate over to A20? I am confused, because when I look at the xml for lootprobtemplate for T3 it shows that you must have a loot level of 118 minimum (not 90+ as it was in A19) before you have a chance at any T3 weapons.. or am I misreading something here?
Hmm I had a closer look and I think you are correct. Yes, I am using the A19 loot progression chart because there isn't one for A20 and its a great visual tool to help explain loot. But yeah at first glance I do think the tiers have shifted a bit. It appears to be Tier 0 (1-39), Tier 1 (40-79), Tier 2 (80-117), Tier 3 (118+). I'm going to update the pinned comment with this new information, thank you for pointing this out!
I did max out LL as soon as possible in my latest game at Warrior difficulty (and Daring adventurer and Better Barter and Salvage operation and Treasure hunter basically tested my mercenary build and just did looting and quests day and night) and I must say having a lvl 6 auto shotgun, a lvl 5 M60, a lvl 5 sniper rifle, a lvl 6 SMG, a lvl 4 Magnum, a mix of lvl 4 and 5 iron and steel armor and so much ammo I can't store it in my base looting/trading and doing quests still feels broken. Not to mention I bought a motorcycle before day 10 for money, since then I bought a 4x4 and I still have 140k+ money left at day 21. I also did most of my looting in a snow biome and last 7 days was in a big city with huge POIs, they were kinda challenging, at one point a big office building (a multi level Crack a book building with a basement) sent 40+ zombies after me, most of them feral and special like soldiers, lumberjacks, wights, cops, bikers, etc. It was bonkers.
Great video and quite a bit of information in it. For some parts, I still disagree with it. First point is the building tier's relation to loot stage. The bonus is flat 3 per tier, as you said, added to the flat bonus of the biome, lucky goggles and Eye Kandy. However, the flat amount doesn't scale per level. Instead there is a +5% per tier to loot stage as well, added to the biome's percentage. The way you interpreted it may quite well provide the same numbers as a result, but the way it's calculated is a bit different. Secondly, there is a loot bonus for a container as well, if it's the last "big" loot box in a POI. The value is a flat +6 and 5%, added respectively to the other bonuses I've already mentioned. Thirdly, while this isn't something you said that I would disagree on, I would at least mention that a) the chart linked is for A19 and b) the chart is made by The Fun Pimps and the link to it can be found in the loot.xml. Overall this comment's purpose is not to downplay your efforts on this video, as you do explain the loot in a way that is well enough for most of the players not looking to min-max their way of looting. However, to a nerd like me, these fine details are something that keep me awake at nights :P. Keep doing what you do!
@@GunsNerdsandSteel Both really. The first one can be seen in loot.xml on like 8. The second one is in the containers' properties in blocks.xml, starting from the line 21546. For the order the bonuses are calculated, I just tested different combinations of the bonuses from different sources.
was typing the question about books and if they're affected, when you answered it, lol. DId have a general question though: Have you noticed the same loot containers tend to have the same loot? It seemed in a19 it was a little more random, but as I hit the same nearby POIs on our multiplayer servers (Salty Zombies) I tend to get duplicates of what I got the day before quite often. Anyone else seeing the same thing?
Just posted a couple of times about loot on your latest LP vid. Must've been the Force predicting this vid for me, though not so proficient or I'd have waited to see this and posted those here instead LOL. I don't seem the only one to notice acid in short supply but I have also noticed low drops for robotics parts and honey too. The robotic parts, meh, I can see why they'd be rarer while maybe the honey is because stumps where you used to have a good chance to get it are in the wilderness, with no bonus? Still would be an issue for honey though, you kinda rely on it. When you find more antibiotics than honey, while herbal even rarer, something is up. Also, I was finding pipe weapons in the wasteland with a loot bonus in the 200's. Yet to find a machine gun that's not pipe and only one actual pistol, quality 2 early game. Not found one double barrelled shotgun but have found several pump shotguns, best in wasteland but several in temperate forest too. Yet to find a pipe shotgun either, though several pistols and machine guns, mostly the latter. Maybe this is due to me exploring quest POIs for the rewards, rather than just popping in anywhere as I feel like it as I did previously? My MP game I just started, we have found one shotgun, one pistol and one machine gun pipe weapons so far on day 1. Possibly due to my accelerated levelling bonus for my SP game there's some quirk there but it doesn't explain (unless exceptionally bad luck) 20 stumps (that was just me, dunno how many my fellows whacked but they've yet to find any either), zero honey in MP game with standard exp. As I said in your other vid, worrying if you can't find the damned stuff that's needed for early levels.
I'd have to dig deeper but I do feel as though weapon drops in loot have been turned down. I looted something like 50 tier 5 chests with MAX lootstage and only pulled out like 25 weapons... Granted most of them were quality 6 tech 3 weapons, but still.
@@GunsNerdsandSteel Now you mention it, loot quality also odd. Armour is just silly at this point when I've rarely found anything that isn't quality 6, exception being steel and quest rewards, but zero quality 6 weapons or tools except for stone ones. Quality 5 is max on those so far. Again, could be due to my accelerated levelling plus the forest biome mainly. I should spend more time in the wasteland, see if it helps, which it should. IIRC my loot stage in the forest is 90+ which is likely an issue. It was in the 200's, want to say 241 but I slept since then, in the wasteland but the pump shotgun I found was quality 5, as were a couple of pipe weapons and a steel pickaxe. Also found quality 5 pipe weapons and 2 steel pickaxes and 1 quality 5 iron shovel in the forest biome btw.
So basically if I was inside a tier 5 poi inside a city inside a wasteland at lvl 1 my loot stage would be around 50. Very cool thanks for the info it really helps.
I had no idea how this worked in a20, but I usually up the zombie spawn rate and decided to make a base in the wasteland because the forest is too quiet and boring and last night my loot stage was 619. I have no idea if thats super high or not but I was surprised because it was MUCH lower in the forest when I was going back to my old base to get resources. Wasteland with upped zombie spawns and decreased spawn delay is amazing!
Dude this is a public service announcement and you are a humanitarian. the amount of work to go into this vid. must have been staggering. awesome job and thank you for the work you put in here.
Glad to help!
I’m glad you understood all I took from this is loot hard places 🤣🤣🤣🤣
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UPDATE: As of A20.1 loot tiers have shifted. They are as follows:
Tier 0 (1-41)
Tier 1 (42-101)
Tier 2 (102-191)
Tier 3 (192+)
After lootstage 290, you will no longer see changes to your loot. This is effectively the maximum lootstage, even if the game can display higher numbers.
Would you mind posting a link to a google doc to an updated lootstage graph with these figures, similar to what you had in the video at 10:05? Or do we just need to shift all tiers by the difference?
Good to know I'm just unlucky then lmao. In the Wasteland biome and inside a tier 3+ POI, my loot stage is 300, but the only level 6 gear I've found is from Trader mission rewards :/
so after max loot points it's only gameday that counts? I'm standin over 350 loot stage at day 45 (UL-mod) so I still need to wait 20+ more day to get max loot? I want to find that weapon that use .50cal
Wow, amazing every time how much time and effort you put into the research for these videos! Thank you for explaining this, because it's definitely something the group was wondering about. Now we know!!
My pleasure!
@@GunsNerdsandSteel agreed. Your videos are exceptional!
Agreed again fantastic content deserves a million views and more!
I have yet to play, but I love the educational vids
Your loot explained videos and heat video were what brought me to you in the first place. I've never seen someone put that much effort and research into a deep dive video like that and also explain it so well! After that I watched the entire road series. Amazing job!
I appreciate that!
The lootstage boost from more difficult biomes seems very worth it, as long as the biome itself isn't going to kill you every time you step outside. I've found that you can get a lot of mileage out of putting level ups into a favorite ranged weapon perk and crafting a higher tier and quality than you have available to you.
This'll let you complete quests more easily, which means you'll have the dukes to buy things outside your ability to craft or find.
Agreed, focus on being a better fighter and the loot will follow
Survival first, loot second. You can't loot if you can't live.
That's something I noticed. My crafting level affects the loot and items traders offer.
pls make a video about the traders kits (the ones they give when passing to tier 2 missions and above) i want someone to explain to me all about them lol, great video as always, i like how the loot system works now
I'll be doing a trader video in the future 👍
This is such a phenomenal breakdown. Really appreciate they way you approach things from both the data and mechanics side as well as a more practical application. I know personally I'm looking forwad to pushing into the more harsh biomes early game with lucky looter!
This makes day trips into the wasteland sound SO much more fun!
My dude - you have such a remarkable brain. So cool of you to compile the math for the 7DTD community. Def hard to remember, but something to come back to when there's questions! Well done!
My only hope is that the fun pimps don't completely change everything with the next patch 🤣
So what if I turn a tier 5 POI into my horde base? Will I get auto loot bonus on opening those horde night loot bags?
Yes. Amazing idea actually!
@@GunsNerdsandSteel I guess we will see several horde bases in wasteland tier 5 POIs then, i suppose. ^^
This was exactly what I was going to do! Thanks for asking. Tonight I’m going to find a tier 5 poi in the wasteland and start setting up my new horde base! HORDE BASE HOOO AH AH!!
You madman, now they are gonna have to find a workaround so we cant do that lol
@@lyonspride5361 They already made the wasteland much more dangerous... so thats that. ^^
8:44 Captain Falcon:YES!
Thank you sir,!
this is the answer I've been looking for for a long time
Great video and thanks for sharing. I have over 4000 hours in this game and your videos are almost always helpful. Please keep up the good work. Thanks, Chris
Thanks, will do!
My friends and I haven't touched 7D2D since 2016/2017. We've gotten back into it recently and find your tutorials very helpful. I'm not a huge fan of long intros and outros but the way you section your videos and the large amound of effort that goes to them does not go unnocticed. Keep it up!
Thanks I appreciate that!
Thank you sir. A gentleman and scholar as always. I and I'm sure many others really appreciate your dedication to delivering such informative content.
Thank you kindly
not only informative, but funny, punch your dog in the nuts ROFL!
Usually I have a lot of fun researching this stuff for myself, but I play so many early access games that change so much over time, videos like this are really useful. You seem to go pretty in depth, and you don't waste much time or drag out your explanations. Very informative and concise. I'll definitely check out your other videos.
EDIT: And you end it with a big explosion. Well done.
Haha thanks!
I’ve put a few hundred hours in this game . I definitely learned something and think the loot stages are a welcome change. I look forward to maximize my looting capabilities.
Bro this is like the perfect guide, nothing was left unexplained and everything was extremely easy to understand, thank you!
Glad you liked it!
I mostly know about this but wasn't very sure about the loot bonus on top of the bonus that already existed thanks
It certainly took some time to figure out which ones were calculated first
Hot damn Tem talk about doing your homework, great stuff on digging all this date up. I can tell this took you a tremendous amount of time. I know for sure this will also bring more eyes to GNS. Its how I found your channel with your Alpha 19 Loot Table video.
Been working on this all week, I need a break from tutorials! Back to Frostbite for a few weeks!
@@GunsNerdsandSteel I can definitely tell and that sounds good man looking forward to more Frostbite
Huh the change to lucky looter is an interesting one. VERY handy if you want to minmax your loot potential by leaving the forest and heading for the snow or wasteland, and it just gets handier as you both level up and poi tier level up. Not so useful, at least early game, in the forest. But I like it. Last time it was barely useful for bumping to the next tier sooner in alpha 19 and for end game boosts to tier 3 loot quality and numbers. It might be worth putting points into once I get my primary build setup and am ready to spread out into supplementary skills.
I agree, if you're in the snow biome it's probably worth taking after you get some of the basic survival skills down
I want to say thank you for actually going through the game files. A lot of people will say something like "definitive" but it's just more of what they observed.
Side observation: I'm assuming that loot stage affects zombie drops, or "Z-packs". I wonder if you were settled near an alternate biome to the pine forest, if it would be "better" to build a horde base in that biome and acquire better loot through the zombie loot bags by morning versus if you were in the forest.
Fantastic analysis in this video, this obviously took many hours to create and test. We, the 7D2D community, thank you for your effort and time. :)
Loot stage affects the loot within z-packs but not the type of pack that is dropped. Things like feral wights, mutated, and lumberjacks can drop the blue bags, and demos can drop the red bags. So living in the snow or wasteland gives you higher probability of getting the better bags and you get better lootstage so better stuff in the bags too
@@GunsNerdsandSteel You said that snow/wasteland gives a "higher probability" of better bags. That's just in general, right - not for horde nights? I'm guessing horde nights still have the same general zombies depending on gamestage/night number regardless of biome, right?
Great channel, how have i only just found this!
Thanks! Glad CZcams directed you my way finally 😀
This is a lot more detailed guide than I expected
Well done, you deserve a lot more attention man
This really helps, thanks for the information!
Glad it was helpful!
Amazing as usual thanks for the info!
Sure thing!
I remember in Alpha 19 at around game stage 100 or so, I'd still find a few level 6 blunderbuss' every day regardless of what POI I was raiding. I even found one inside a pile of trash in the middle of nowhere.
Perhaps the blunderbuss was considered its own weapon type and not necessarily a tech zero, not sure
wow, this is crazy, very useful vid, thanks for your hard woek.
You're welcome
I used to primarily skill Lucky Looter first, because of an older run where I only found busted gear for that stage. Now I know why that doesn't work anymore.
Yeah better to hold of on LL for a while I think
What are your tips for finding the best loot?
I dont think there's a best loot, persay. To me it's like what do i need &/or would like. But I'm not a permadeath character.
After gaining decent environmental protection, head to a snow biome nearby your starting town (in early game) and raid a few POIs. The loot will always be better than in the forest.
Beating my friends to opening the loot.
Put a point into lock picking so you can make your own because they break really easy now
as a general rule, I personally open everything I see in a POI and always go with a quest there. It's all RNG you never know what you might find and when you might find it and the quest will help at the end with good loot, once i've found some medicinal loot in the trash when i needed it the most, so yeah check everything and keep on hoarding :D
was waiting for this well done GNS
I appreciate that!
Thanks for the info man. Always good to have this broken down into something that's actually a bit more simple to understand.
Glad to help!
Outstanding work! This is a fantastic guide and glad that the youtube algorithm brought me here. Liked and Subbed!
Awesome, thanks!
I am not much for testing, but I got an idea in my head while at the trader turning in a quest and tried it out and it might be something worth testing. I am not sure if the contents are predetermined or random, but the loot packs you get from the trader seem to be affected by loot stage as well. I took the SMG pack from the trader in the green grass biome. Instead of just opening it where I was, I took it into the edge of the wasteland, put on lucky looter goggles, used an eye candy and opened it. I got a quality 6 SMG-5 and 300 rounds of 9 mil from the box. I was only level 27 at the time. So the packs might be awesome to store up and open in a higher tier biome, or it might have just been stupid dumb luck. Thought I would mention it for those who like to test such things.
I'm gonna have to try that xD What tier of quest complete was it, too?
@@Gr0nal I want to say tier 2 or 3 completion
Amazing video brother! I COMPLETELY forgot about the biome tier increase! I’ve been chilling in my forest base all the way to lvl 65 and I’ve been annoyed at the same ol’ loot only minorly improving! DANG IT!!
Time for an expedition!
My head hurts 😫 🤪
Omg there's a chart...
Big brain time!
😏😏
Just started playing this game again, your time and effort is much appreciated.
Actually informative.
Thanks dude
My pleasure
Great follow up from your A19 Loot explained video. Keep up the great content and awesome editing on the game play series.
Thanks!
Thank you for the effort and love you put into these videos. Your work matters a lot and helps many players, thank you!
This is the best explanation I have seen in years👍👍👍 thanks
Glad you liked it!
Yay, finally a 7DtD youtuber that's knowledgeable, speaks well, and isn't annoying. Thanks for the video; you have a new subscriber now.
Awesome, thank you!
Another well detailed and clear guide, you're standing out my dude, good job
Much appreciated!
Great video! I was only looking for a little bit of information, but I got the whole kit and caboodle with this one! My friends and I just started a new game and as usual we plopped down close to where we started (forest), so I'll be looking to convince them to moving our base a bit closer to wasteland, or at least snow, for the 'free' lootstage bonus.
Love the video!
Thank you!!
Comment for algorithmic porpoises, also am I missing something or did you not put the link to the loot tables in the description yet?
Ah yes thanks, fixed!
I was already enjoying the content but the second you said I hope I earned your Subscription today I immediately subbed bro love the attitude
I really appreciate these guides and updates for the new loot system. It helps understand and thrive in the new updates. Keep it up!
Glad I could help!
Wow. Loot stage in 7 days always confused me now I have better understanding of my confusion. Haha 🤣 But seriously love your breakdowns of this kind of nerdy stuff. 💙😊💯
I was super confused too, I didn't realize how complicated it was until I started testing!
This is probably the most help 7 days video ive ever watched 👌
wow...such a great job! thank you for all the hard work you did for us!
My pleasure!
Just by looking at this one video, i see how much effort you put into those. I will surely watch other tips and tricks, great work!
Glad you enjoyed it!
I am rolling after that 'punch in the nuts' comment. That poor zombie dog!
When I blew him up with dynamite he was airborne for a good 15 seconds 😆
idk how you figured this out but this is amazing. Im day 60 ish in the wasteland with level 4 looter perk and ive found maybe 8 pink augers but i still havent found a pink steel pickaxe. I dont understand the math but great video!
and as i unpaused and watched another 30 seconds... i realized why i never found a pink steel pickaxe but keep finding augers, which is kind of annoying... so now knowing this, ill have to purposely lower my loot stage to hopefully find one. and i dont feel like doing the math, so i guess im stuck with the t5 steel pickaxe. again thanks for the video and im sorry by a21, all of your hard work done here will probably be obsolete lol
Really good info, very well detailed. Thank you for the video.
Glad you enjoyed it!
This video looted my heart! Instant like! :)
Good Job man quality content!!!
Thank you!
I definitely know what it takes man and you got It a while back I made Vr videos its not easy preparation
Ayy cool new channel to watch. Hype! Appreciate the vid
Cool, welcome 😀
Everything I've ever wanted to know. Love it
Glad you found this video useful!
Holy crap, dude... AAZING VIDEO!! Taking SSs of every bit of information about Loot Stage! Keep it up!
Subscribed!
Thanks for the sub!
Very, very thorough. Liked and subscribed
Awesome, welcome!
Thanks once again for all the explanation !
My pleasure!
really good video lot of work went into this
This game is very overwhelming especially if you just started this game like I have! Thank you this is very useful.
Great video, thank you for all the time and effort you put into these video, I really enough them!
Thank you, much appreciated
The file is an A19 spreadsheet, as you see _game_ stage is listed across the top, doesnt show loot stage. But the graphic does illustrate how tiers are layered
Sweet god thank you. I somewhat understood lootstage but this is so helpful in letting me understand why I keep finding terrible garbage all over the place.
So many damn cans.
It's almost not worth it to live in the forest biome
@@GunsNerdsandSteel Ya it seems... really bad. Which sucks cuz that's where you start of Navezgane and the Wasteland is too rough and the Tundra is freezing, thus leaving the desert that I need to find.
I will always use your loot explanation as my know all. So thanks for the time, effort and time you put in. I know it takes a lot of time! Good job
My pleasure, thanks!
I somehow managed to skip over the pump shotguns in my run and found an auto shotgun. Good to know that it was because of location, level, and POI and not just me being insanely lucky
Thanks for the explanation! Tier 6 video :D
Thanks for all the excellent info presenting quickly and concisely. Great job!
Good shit! Love how you explain everything so clearly, thanks for the info!
My pleasure!
God bro i absolutely adore your channel keep it up
Super informative, thanks a bunch!
Glad it was helpful!
Very nice, helped me a lot. Thanks
Excellent video
Thank you very much!
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Excellent video. Well made.
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Good job - especially with those tier bonuses, I couldn't understand how it works.
Glad I could help you!
SO much effort into the videos and quick and easy understanding, +1 sub I hope to see more!
Great video, I don't really try to Min./Max. my gameplay but having a good idea of how game mechanics work is very helpful. I quite often put a point into Lucky looter or salvage operations early game because even if they aren't great right away you will already have them when you pass a certain threshold and won't need to level up to start benefitting from them. Of course I usually build my character with Intellect as primary backed up with perception and fortitude because nothing beats a nerd with a machine gun and explosives.
Sounds like a fun loadout!
Really In depth guide, thanks
No problem!
Excellent explanation of the new loot system.
Damn good videos as always! So excited about the new alpha 20. It's too bad the only way I can play most games is by using GeForce Now, and the new alpha hasn't been uploaded as of yet. Hopefully they will soon, but until then, I'll have to live my life through your videos. lol =]
The new alpha is up! You have to opt into the "latest experimental" build in the steam game properties section
thanks for this video it helps out sooo much
Is that the A19 loot introduction chart you are showing @ 10:15? If so, that chart doesn't reference the new primitive weapons so does all of the other information translate over to A20? I am confused, because when I look at the xml for lootprobtemplate for T3 it shows that you must have a loot level of 118 minimum (not 90+ as it was in A19) before you have a chance at any T3 weapons.. or am I misreading something here?
Hmm I had a closer look and I think you are correct. Yes, I am using the A19 loot progression chart because there isn't one for A20 and its a great visual tool to help explain loot. But yeah at first glance I do think the tiers have shifted a bit. It appears to be Tier 0 (1-39), Tier 1 (40-79), Tier 2 (80-117), Tier 3 (118+). I'm going to update the pinned comment with this new information, thank you for pointing this out!
sure have earned my subscription!
Woo thanks 🍻
I did max out LL as soon as possible in my latest game at Warrior difficulty (and Daring adventurer and Better Barter and Salvage operation and Treasure hunter basically tested my mercenary build and just did looting and quests day and night) and I must say having a lvl 6 auto shotgun, a lvl 5 M60, a lvl 5 sniper rifle, a lvl 6 SMG, a lvl 4 Magnum, a mix of lvl 4 and 5 iron and steel armor and so much ammo I can't store it in my base looting/trading and doing quests still feels broken.
Not to mention I bought a motorcycle before day 10 for money, since then I bought a 4x4 and I still have 140k+ money left at day 21. I also did most of my looting in a snow biome and last 7 days was in a big city with huge POIs, they were kinda challenging, at one point a big office building (a multi level Crack a book building with a basement) sent 40+ zombies after me, most of them feral and special like soldiers, lumberjacks, wights, cops, bikers, etc. It was bonkers.
Wow looks like a very successful playthrough, perhaps time to increase the difficulty for the next round
Well detailed. Keep up the good work!
Wow you made it really easy to understand thanks :D
Great video and quite a bit of information in it. For some parts, I still disagree with it. First point is the building tier's relation to loot stage. The bonus is flat 3 per tier, as you said, added to the flat bonus of the biome, lucky goggles and Eye Kandy. However, the flat amount doesn't scale per level. Instead there is a +5% per tier to loot stage as well, added to the biome's percentage. The way you interpreted it may quite well provide the same numbers as a result, but the way it's calculated is a bit different.
Secondly, there is a loot bonus for a container as well, if it's the last "big" loot box in a POI. The value is a flat +6 and 5%, added respectively to the other bonuses I've already mentioned.
Thirdly, while this isn't something you said that I would disagree on, I would at least mention that a) the chart linked is for A19 and b) the chart is made by The Fun Pimps and the link to it can be found in the loot.xml.
Overall this comment's purpose is not to downplay your efforts on this video, as you do explain the loot in a way that is well enough for most of the players not looking to min-max their way of looting. However, to a nerd like me, these fine details are something that keep me awake at nights :P. Keep doing what you do!
Interesting stuff! I'm curious if you got this info from the xmls or through testing? I would like to confirm 😉
@@GunsNerdsandSteel Both really. The first one can be seen in loot.xml on like 8. The second one is in the containers' properties in blocks.xml, starting from the line 21546. For the order the bonuses are calculated, I just tested different combinations of the bonuses from different sources.
was typing the question about books and if they're affected, when you answered it, lol. DId have a general question though: Have you noticed the same loot containers tend to have the same loot? It seemed in a19 it was a little more random, but as I hit the same nearby POIs on our multiplayer servers (Salty Zombies) I tend to get duplicates of what I got the day before quite often. Anyone else seeing the same thing?
Indeed i have noticed that before but I can't find out why from looking in the game files
Just posted a couple of times about loot on your latest LP vid. Must've been the Force predicting this vid for me, though not so proficient or I'd have waited to see this and posted those here instead LOL.
I don't seem the only one to notice acid in short supply but I have also noticed low drops for robotics parts and honey too. The robotic parts, meh, I can see why they'd be rarer while maybe the honey is because stumps where you used to have a good chance to get it are in the wilderness, with no bonus? Still would be an issue for honey though, you kinda rely on it. When you find more antibiotics than honey, while herbal even rarer, something is up.
Also, I was finding pipe weapons in the wasteland with a loot bonus in the 200's. Yet to find a machine gun that's not pipe and only one actual pistol, quality 2 early game. Not found one double barrelled shotgun but have found several pump shotguns, best in wasteland but several in temperate forest too. Yet to find a pipe shotgun either, though several pistols and machine guns, mostly the latter. Maybe this is due to me exploring quest POIs for the rewards, rather than just popping in anywhere as I feel like it as I did previously?
My MP game I just started, we have found one shotgun, one pistol and one machine gun pipe weapons so far on day 1. Possibly due to my accelerated levelling bonus for my SP game there's some quirk there but it doesn't explain (unless exceptionally bad luck) 20 stumps (that was just me, dunno how many my fellows whacked but they've yet to find any either), zero honey in MP game with standard exp. As I said in your other vid, worrying if you can't find the damned stuff that's needed for early levels.
I'd have to dig deeper but I do feel as though weapon drops in loot have been turned down. I looted something like 50 tier 5 chests with MAX lootstage and only pulled out like 25 weapons... Granted most of them were quality 6 tech 3 weapons, but still.
@@GunsNerdsandSteel Now you mention it, loot quality also odd. Armour is just silly at this point when I've rarely found anything that isn't quality 6, exception being steel and quest rewards, but zero quality 6 weapons or tools except for stone ones. Quality 5 is max on those so far. Again, could be due to my accelerated levelling plus the forest biome mainly. I should spend more time in the wasteland, see if it helps, which it should. IIRC my loot stage in the forest is 90+ which is likely an issue. It was in the 200's, want to say 241 but I slept since then, in the wasteland but the pump shotgun I found was quality 5, as were a couple of pipe weapons and a steel pickaxe. Also found quality 5 pipe weapons and 2 steel pickaxes and 1 quality 5 iron shovel in the forest biome btw.
awesome video! THank you so much!!!!
Haven’t played this game since a18 but now am interested
Oh it's good, A19 was great and A20 is better.
So basically if I was inside a tier 5 poi inside a city inside a wasteland at lvl 1 my loot stage would be around 50. Very cool thanks for the info it really helps.
That's about right!
Thanks for the vid.
You bet!
Finally I love the snow biome but it always felt like I was just making shit harder on myself this makes it alot better
I agree, the snow biome is the place to be now 🥶
Trader quests are op early game, i went from a level 3 pipe shotgun to level 6 double barrel day 5
I had no idea how this worked in a20, but I usually up the zombie spawn rate and decided to make a base in the wasteland because the forest is too quiet and boring and last night my loot stage was 619. I have no idea if thats super high or not but I was surprised because it was MUCH lower in the forest when I was going back to my old base to get resources. Wasteland with upped zombie spawns and decreased spawn delay is amazing!
So here I am at 3:30am watching a guide for a game I dont even own. Either way solid guide.
Interesting, well it's a game that I would recommend!