Danaher Death Squad (DDS) Breakup! Here's What You Need To Know...

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  • "Danaher Death Squat Break Up! Here's What You Need To Know..."
    End of an era... The opening line in the infamous John Danaher's social media post announcing the death of the Danaher Death Squad. Speculation is running WILD and I've gathered all the facts of what we know SO FAR (as of 25 Jul 21).
    Let me know your wild speculations in the comments!
    Here is Danaher's social media post with the details of the announcement:
    "End of an era: It is with great sadness that I have to announce the break up of the squad as a unified training and competition team. A combination of factors revolving around disagreements in physical location of a future school, personality conflicts, conflicting values and an inevitable tension between the team brand and the growing individual brands of members were the main factors. I am immensely proud of the tremendous effect the squad had upon the development and direction of our beloved sport over the years. I am extremely confident that all the various team members have risen in competitive ability, teaching skill and independent creativity that they will be highly successful wherever they choose to go - whatever happens their legacy is assured and their future very bright indeed. As for the future, it is still uncertain. Most of us still get along very well. I expect some will still train together and we will work together in future projects in accordance with our team philosophy, but no longer as a single unified room. I believe the split will have the positive effect of creating a larger footprint for the team as they spread out and develop a wider influence. I always believed that the technical development of the team was best created by a tight, unified room, but at the end of the day human happiness outweighs medals and martial skill and it has become clear that some individual members would be happier in different locations. I would like to thank all the members of the squad for the tremendous effort and myriad sacrifices they made to build a team and legacy that will be remembered, in particular, Garry Tonon, Gordon Ryan, Craig Jones, Eddie Cummings, Nicky Ryan and Nick Rodriguez. I would also like to thank the many students who formed the room in which the squad developed and honed their skills; and thank you so much to all our faithful followers for your interest and support over the years - I hope and trust we can keep the project of refining our art going despite the changes - Thank you."
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  • @KierenLefevre
    @KierenLefevre  Před 2 lety +11

    Latest update on the DDS Split including where B Team is actually going to open their gym czcams.com/video/uebW7QLe00Q/video.html

  • @joshkooga7204
    @joshkooga7204 Před 2 lety +241

    There is a theory going around the martial arts world that master ken broke up the dds..🤔

    • @KierenLefevre
      @KierenLefevre  Před 2 lety +4

      hmmm 🧐🧐

    • @tplummer217
      @tplummer217 Před 2 lety +10

      It was the repeated groin stomps that did them in.

    • @tacodaddy4309
      @tacodaddy4309 Před 2 lety +16

      It was the knife Knot Belt technique that did them in.

    • @KierenLefevre
      @KierenLefevre  Před 2 lety +10

      @@tacodaddy4309 the north south knife belt was too much for Craig to bear

    • @horseman9582
      @horseman9582 Před 2 lety +2

      True, I saw the video. Master Ken destroyed Craig Jones, even re stomped his groin!

  • @pvlapa
    @pvlapa Před 2 lety +128

    Danaher could kick all of them out, train a new set of monsters, and keep the brand name Danaher Death Squad if he wants to. Craig Jones, I could argue, is the only one there who can legitimately claim he was self made.

    • @11Khalid11
      @11Khalid11 Před 2 lety +31

      *Lachlan Giles* was the man behind Craig Jones.

    • @skyrimaddic87
      @skyrimaddic87 Před 2 lety +7

      @@11Khalid11 he only trained with Lachlan for a year or two before he moved to Renzo’s

    • @1234kingconan
      @1234kingconan Před 2 lety +5

      They were all really good before going to John.

  • @byronjuarez656
    @byronjuarez656 Před 2 lety +82

    Most BJJ drama comes down to money.

  • @ballermcstudmuffin6258
    @ballermcstudmuffin6258 Před 2 lety +67

    Gordon Ryan posted on IG an hour ago. Himself, Tonon, and Danaher are moving to Austin together.

    • @KierenLefevre
      @KierenLefevre  Před 2 lety +17

      I'm not surprised, next minute, Craig and the others join them haha, it's the death of the name not of the squad 🤷‍♂️

    • @jackcaptain5476
      @jackcaptain5476 Před 2 lety +8

      @@KierenLefevre this is click bait man. You're better than this bro.

    • @jasonsmall519
      @jasonsmall519 Před 2 lety

      @@WhtMike2006 i

  • @fullimetal7581
    @fullimetal7581 Před 2 lety +69

    I agree, money is probably a leading factor. Now that we know Gary Tonen, Gordon, and Danaher are the members leaving, one could also assess that they are moving from sport jj to mma-focused training. This assessment is supported by Nicky staying with the other members to train sport jj (rather than following his brother).

  • @riggsmurtah2788
    @riggsmurtah2788 Před 2 lety +83

    If Gary is the only one leaving then they're not breaking up.

    • @KierenLefevre
      @KierenLefevre  Před 2 lety +7

      Agreed haha I think they’re just ditching the name

    • @CrimsonSquaredX2
      @CrimsonSquaredX2 Před 2 lety +11

      What I’ve heard is that when they referred to the Danaher Death Squad, they were apparently referring to Gordon Ryan, Garry Tonon, Eddie Cummings, and Nicky Ryan. Eddie has been gone for a while and now that tonon is gone as well I guess they feel it’s time to ditch the name out of respect or something

    • @KierenLefevre
      @KierenLefevre  Před 2 lety +1

      @@CrimsonSquaredX2 Yeah man I think there is a lot of truth in this as well

    • @ericfamily7155
      @ericfamily7155 Před 2 lety +2

      Gary is still with them

    • @drock00013
      @drock00013 Před 2 lety +2

      @@CrimsonSquaredX2 garry Taza danaher Gordon are all now called new wave jj

  • @bruceparker6142
    @bruceparker6142 Před 2 lety +9

    Even Professor X couldn't keep the original X-Men together.

  • @Theo-dj7vs
    @Theo-dj7vs Před 2 lety +46

    Respect to them ALL, yet all grew and contributed together...and BJJ is better for it. All good things come to an end. Best wishing them in the next chapter of their journey.

  • @redseamole
    @redseamole Před 2 lety +32

    we all know, the real reason for the breakup was Master Ken.

    • @khrystoferprince
      @khrystoferprince Před 2 lety +2

      Thats whatve been saying!!fuck! theyre making it such a big deal! “Its like im taking crazy pills!” -Mugatu-

    • @Liefvikerson
      @Liefvikerson Před 2 lety

      DDS has never been the same since Master Ken North/south/69 knife fucked them. 🥺

  • @paisano316
    @paisano316 Před 2 lety +11

    I agree that this split is mainly due related to business issues and I think it actually makes the best business sense if they split up and open 2 gyms so that more of them can get a bigger piece of the pie. They know that they are very popular right now and that there is a big enough demand not only for 2 gyms, but I believe they could even shoot for having affiliations in the future.

  • @glynariksherwood
    @glynariksherwood Před 2 lety +11

    This breakup is killing me!
    At least the spice girls are still going strong.

  • @sanchenburg
    @sanchenburg Před 2 lety +3

    Thank you for the breakdown!

  • @FightCommentaryGrappling
    @FightCommentaryGrappling Před 2 lety +1

    Thanks for the video!

  • @kairiveramusic6460
    @kairiveramusic6460 Před 2 lety +1

    Hey you’re right! You really have come a long way since the earlier videos. Subbed!

  • @donshaft4573
    @donshaft4573 Před 2 lety +7

    Just as I'm getting into BJJ, this happens! This sucks man. Fame and money ruin the day again. I wish everyone in the squad all the best. It's a shame it had to end so soon.

  • @johnhagebeuk8
    @johnhagebeuk8 Před 2 lety

    Thanks for clearing that up brother

  • @Cache73
    @Cache73 Před 2 lety +2

    Thanks Master Ken.

  • @johnnytrayes4734
    @johnnytrayes4734 Před 2 lety +1

    Great perspective and video 😃👍

  • @TheSpencerCooper
    @TheSpencerCooper Před 2 lety +2

    Where do you get some of these assumptions from?! I have friends on the inner circle. Some of this is way off....

  • @becerrajose06
    @becerrajose06 Před 2 lety +1

    We all want to know though so keep us in the loop

  • @MrTeodick
    @MrTeodick Před 2 lety +11

    They kicked out all members that would frequently lose to gi fighters. Only Gordon was left.

  • @erikreddington461
    @erikreddington461 Před rokem +1

    Gordon was quoted to be the big internet troll here. Oh how the mighty has fallen and Craig finally took gold, but a silver in our hearts for the real troll

  • @philippelandry3050
    @philippelandry3050 Před 2 lety

    Thanks. I NEEDED to know.

  • @davidbetts2980
    @davidbetts2980 Před 2 lety +1

    It's so sad when a coach develops fighters to success and then they leave.

  • @seagreen01
    @seagreen01 Před 2 lety +23

    Craig, Nicky, Nicky rod, and Ethan are sticking together forsure so maybe they’ll join John and Gordon or start their own gym

  • @makeaniiimpactYT
    @makeaniiimpactYT Před 2 lety +6

    They better get a big arse facility in Austin, as I bet many BJJ schools are going to be losing a lot of students in the near future...

  • @jamieovia8608
    @jamieovia8608 Před 2 lety +10

    Am I the only one surprised that Craig Jones is married?!! I thought he was gonna marry Gabi Garcia....well there goes my happy ending.

    • @jasonarch2812
      @jasonarch2812 Před 2 lety

      I had to redwing it, lol

    • @agh9224
      @agh9224 Před 2 lety +1

      I’ve been trying to find who he’s married to but I can’t find anything at all.

    • @anonymousanonymous7600
      @anonymousanonymous7600 Před 2 lety +1

      @@agh9224 yeah same bro I thought this guy was single his whole life

  • @aresjerry
    @aresjerry Před 2 lety +1

    Thanks Bruv

  • @Jamusictv
    @Jamusictv Před 2 lety +2

    Sad, but all dynasties come to an end. And it's always about money or betrayal........

  • @pulsarlights2825
    @pulsarlights2825 Před 2 lety +1

    Does anyone know the location of ADCC 2022? Has that been released yet?

  • @Artist21st
    @Artist21st Před 2 lety +2

    Gordon posted he, John and Gary are setting up in Austin.

  • @DavidLee-no9uc
    @DavidLee-no9uc Před 2 lety +8

    I'm sure it's most likely about everybody wanting to Cash in at the personal levels and putting that above the team effort. ...I don't see how this is going to hurt Professor Danaher,... There's allway's lot's of young talent he can cultivate to replace anyone who wants to leave!.. Maybe it's time to rebuild and create the next generation!.. Hey Professor Danaher, I've got every DVD you ever made, If there is a compitition group for 60+ year olds,...... I'm down if your interested? .. ...I am currently a Blue Belt under ROYLER, But I'm sure he won't mind me joining your Death Squad if they create a Senior Citizen Division.. 3:)

    • @KierenLefevre
      @KierenLefevre  Před 2 lety +1

      bahaha he'll take you in a heart beat bro

    • @BensonAndHedgers
      @BensonAndHedgers Před rokem +1

      Bahah yeah and im a Pro steam roller so he'd take me on the "senior savages" i got acouple of stripes on my belt already 💪🏼... PS im only a year late but better than never!

  • @emikejones1
    @emikejones1 Před 2 lety +2

    Yeah based off of social media it looks like everyone is going to Austin except Gary

  • @jaredcoleman9313
    @jaredcoleman9313 Před 2 lety +11

    I hope bjj schools don't go back in lockdown due to covid....again

  • @wz7575
    @wz7575 Před rokem

    3:37 what is source video of Craig and Gamrot sparing?

  • @GTJproductions69x
    @GTJproductions69x Před 2 lety +1

    I swear, I left Austin a month ago for college and now everything is moving there :(

  • @JLaytonKS
    @JLaytonKS Před 2 lety +4

    Love how absolutely everything in this video is completely wrong

    • @XIVYT
      @XIVYT Před 2 lety +2

      fr lmfaoooo guy so worried about guys who don't give a single fuck about him or even knows he exists.

  • @gxtmfa
    @gxtmfa Před 2 lety +4

    Pretty sure Master Ken is behind it all. Just check the timeline.

  • @yoshiejman
    @yoshiejman Před 11 měsíci +2

    This did not age well at all this guy literally got everything wrong

  • @zshakur
    @zshakur Před 2 lety +2

    Gary should go to Tri-Star. Would be a perfect fit for him.

  • @tylercourtney1254
    @tylercourtney1254 Před 2 lety +3

    Active duty Marine rn, but once I get out I'm going to Austin!

    • @KierenLefevre
      @KierenLefevre  Před 2 lety +1

      hell yeah man! That's awesome. I just discharged from the Australian Navy a couple of weeks ago.

  • @jameshouchin5086
    @jameshouchin5086 Před 2 lety

    well done!

  • @rollinOnCode
    @rollinOnCode Před 2 lety +8

    gordon ryan wanted more leglocks, gary tonnon wanted more armlocks, danaher wanted to systemetize the system, and nicky ryan wanted to play guard

  • @cancontrl
    @cancontrl Před 2 lety

    Didnt Danaher just say that he wasnt moving to Texas?

  • @ThursonJames
    @ThursonJames Před 2 lety +19

    Australia had a recent outbreak of authoritarianism. Given your accent, I get that you’re not allowed to say that. ❤️

    • @KierenLefevre
      @KierenLefevre  Před 2 lety +2

      🤣🤣 you're not wrong

    • @xmanc5687
      @xmanc5687 Před 2 lety +1

      @@KierenLefevre You were very PC on the video LOL

    • @214warzone
      @214warzone Před 2 lety +2

      1 person in Australia coughed the other day, so the Regime decided to Lock Down the country for another Year..

    • @KierenLefevre
      @KierenLefevre  Před 2 lety +1

      @Nick Pierce 😅😅

  • @MikeMike-ms1ns
    @MikeMike-ms1ns Před 2 lety

    Location can still be an issue. People preferring NYC probably only moved to PR due to covid lockdowns, thinking they'd return there rather than TX after

  • @Gottiline_Ace
    @Gottiline_Ace Před 2 lety

    The rest of the team went their own way, started "TEAM B", which i am sure is a dig at Gordon and John behind the scenes. Even Nicky Ryan went with them. What does that tell you?

  • @lennieleng9679
    @lennieleng9679 Před 2 lety +3

    Personally I think it makes more sense for them to split up they can make more money they're all good enough to teach why have a one gym you can have 2. And if you are in Austin and enjoy jujitsu you're probably going to check out both the gyms

    • @KierenLefevre
      @KierenLefevre  Před 2 lety

      That's a really interesting take on it, I think I agree tbh

  • @1234kingconan
    @1234kingconan Před 2 lety

    As the pie gets bigger, each wants their own slice. It makes a lot of business sense.

  • @desistang8794
    @desistang8794 Před 2 lety

    so pretty much DDS as we know still exist, some members most people don't care about is splitting ?

  • @Lucythegermanshepherd
    @Lucythegermanshepherd Před 2 lety +30

    Craig Jones is such a legend!! I’ll definitely sub to his only fans 😁😂😅

    • @KierenLefevre
      @KierenLefevre  Před 2 lety +6

      that's the only sub you'll get

    • @KierenLefevre
      @KierenLefevre  Před 2 lety

      @M Mollen we better check just in case 😉

    • @Will-ge7ri
      @Will-ge7ri Před 2 lety +3

      @M Mollen all content is sexual if you use the power of imagination. Just ask cosplayers.

    • @KierenLefevre
      @KierenLefevre  Před 2 lety

      @@Will-ge7ri hahahaha this is the secret to Craig Jones' success

    • @aresjerry
      @aresjerry Před 2 lety +1

      @@KierenLefevre haha savage

  • @DELL0015
    @DELL0015 Před 2 lety +2

    Joe Rogan knew all along about them moving to Austin. He been dropping hints for months. He just needs to get Eddie to come over to texas.

    • @quickstep2408
      @quickstep2408 Před 2 lety

      eddie would never go over to texas. he's a cali guy for life. way better weed there too

  • @lucretiabolin9851
    @lucretiabolin9851 Před 2 lety +1

    Ego, pride,money, too much me and too little we . . .

  • @tampadeal2619
    @tampadeal2619 Před 2 lety

    Money ALWAYS reveals the real/true self

  • @yesbutactuallyno8305
    @yesbutactuallyno8305 Před 2 lety

    Whao am i actually free to click the like button... Amazing

  • @williamsmith8790
    @williamsmith8790 Před 2 lety +1

    Master Ken strikes again!!!

  • @WHITELIONNYC
    @WHITELIONNYC Před 2 lety +8

    📢📢📢📢📢📢📢📢📢📢📢📢📢📢
    When Danaher had announced they were relocating to Puerto Rico I knew that eventually they will miss all the conveniences of daily life, networking and career opportunities, etc. If it was a temporary relocation just during Covid restrictions then that would have made much more sense since it would have been more like a vacation rather than a relocation.

    • @quickstep2408
      @quickstep2408 Před 2 lety

      @@southtxguitarist8926 agreed. they would've lost money on the PR plan. it was smart to pull out and not get it pregnant with the idea of it being viable, and then have to commit to. i'm not projecting or anything. john made the right move.

  • @dboy7983
    @dboy7983 Před 2 lety +1

    Cool beans, I wanted to know what was up…

  • @WHITELIONNYC
    @WHITELIONNYC Před 2 lety +3

    🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
    I don't understand why Danaher doesn't keep his DDS brand alive? I guess it's to declare bankruptcy after investing in Puerto Rico 🇵🇷🇵🇷🇵🇷🇵🇷🇵🇷🇵🇷🇵🇷🇵🇷🇵🇷🇵🇷.

  • @taylor8337
    @taylor8337 Před 2 lety +1

    Money strikes again

  • @WHardin
    @WHardin Před 2 lety +3

    Whole video... Says not a goddamn thing.

  • @horstdietrich1382
    @horstdietrich1382 Před 2 lety +1

    They wont split. The reason why its over with the "DDS" is because they are going to call themselfs New Wave Jiu Jitsu - just as their new gym + affiliates.

  • @vincecapri1
    @vincecapri1 Před 2 lety +1

    Let's see!! Joe Rogan that's what is going on!! Rogan wants the best in his town of Austin and Rogan has the money to help support or get them started.. Not a big deal for Rogan to buy a building and have a friendly lease for Danaher!! Rogan is building something special in Austin. Having John Danaher in town only helps bring in more talent.. Rogan is the man behind all of this.

  • @sushinfudoshin8991
    @sushinfudoshin8991 Před 2 lety +1

    As always follow the money to go to the bottom of the story

  • @PITBOY911
    @PITBOY911 Před 2 lety +1

    Ahh based on your analysis, bo one is living?? Just Nicky and Gary.

    • @seagreen01
      @seagreen01 Před 2 lety

      Nicky isn’t Craig posted about him, Nicky, Nicky Ryan, and Ethan staying together but idk if that’s with or without John and Gordon. Can’t see Nicky leaving his brother tho

    • @PITBOY911
      @PITBOY911 Před 2 lety

      @@seagreen01 my bad I men Nick Rodriguez

  • @dannyh5937
    @dannyh5937 Před 2 lety

    The way Dahaner talked about Gordon was a little creepy.

  • @perrypelican9476
    @perrypelican9476 Před 2 lety +1

    As long as danaher keeps teaching, who cares.

  • @robertessery1900
    @robertessery1900 Před 2 lety +2

    Technically Gordon said he “would never leave John side unless he asked him to. “ that’s not saying they are both going to Austin. More to this story? Probably not, but…

    • @KierenLefevre
      @KierenLefevre  Před 2 lety

      I 100% agree with you Robert, it is a little bit confusing, I'm working on getting some inside scoops haha

  • @MontyQueues
    @MontyQueues Před 2 lety +1

    Gordon is injured now so he will retire soon, according to Johnny D

  • @markbuildstx
    @markbuildstx Před 2 lety +1

    It’s not about money. It’s about ego. Money always exposes the ego. And there’s some big egos over there.

    • @KierenLefevre
      @KierenLefevre  Před 2 lety +1

      That's an interesting take.
      Egos can be a very fragile thing, which can be made particularly "stronger" when you gain as much attention as DDS has.
      I still think that money played a significant part in the separation

    • @markbuildstx
      @markbuildstx Před 2 lety +1

      @@KierenLefevre for sure it’s money. But think about it, would Gordon Ryan’s ego allow for someone else on the team to be paid higher? Wouldn’t he feel like he should get the biggest endorsement contract? Or why should he be getting the same endorsement contract like everyone else? Money brings out the ego. Good video btw.

    • @KierenLefevre
      @KierenLefevre  Před 2 lety +1

      @@markbuildstx Yeah 100% agree with you man. Money brings out the ego but it's the ego to blame, 100% true.

  • @JimSmith-nb4tx
    @JimSmith-nb4tx Před rokem

    The split was due to the fact that I tapped out all of the Danaher Death Squat...........for reals.....you can't have that many great fighters under the same building. Thats the law of Jiujitsu.

  • @fastrivers812
    @fastrivers812 Před 2 lety +3

    This would be more newsworthy if you had actually interviewed the team rather than making assumptions based on interviews other people have given them or fan postings on reddit.

  • @vincenzodimeglio2975
    @vincenzodimeglio2975 Před 2 lety +1

    This sounds similar to when Dillon Danis left Marcelo Garcia's. Things just broke up after that, and then a bunch of instructors left to open their own gym.

  • @lukej452
    @lukej452 Před 2 lety

    Everything changes.

  • @0vermars520
    @0vermars520 Před 2 lety

    I'm part of the Pauly Shore Death Squad. Be ready

  • @bee7537
    @bee7537 Před 2 lety

    From hearing some things today, it sounds like Nicky Rod has been handing it G.R. in practice&there's only one #1, until N. ROD came in! Time's up it sounds, there's always someone out there bigger&better& I'm thinking N.Rod is the unofficial #1 until he shows us he can beat G.R.

  • @anonymoushippopotamus3862

    We don't actually need to know the drama of DDS. Content like this equates to nothing more than tabloid information.

  • @liammorris7324
    @liammorris7324 Před 2 lety

    No one can say he wasn’t the best. Personality be damned

  • @chronometa
    @chronometa Před 2 lety +8

    I bet they got good sauce there lol

  • @agentsmith868
    @agentsmith868 Před 2 lety +4

    imagine charlie murphy's voice "WRONG ....WRONG ....WRONG "

  • @rebeleig8ht500
    @rebeleig8ht500 Před 2 lety

    What? He’s still with danaher..

  • @spencerantoniomarlen-starr3069

    Glad I stopped training in grappling back in J was 19. You guys are like high school girls with all the drama

  • @HeeeeeearMeNow
    @HeeeeeearMeNow Před rokem

    Funny watching this a year later

  • @chrisw4192
    @chrisw4192 Před 2 lety

    They are going to Austin and some didn’t want to move this is so click baiting!!!

  • @judowrestlerka
    @judowrestlerka Před 2 lety

    I know their hormone replacement supplier. They are centered in Houston.
    Convenient.

  • @carterdorsett6980
    @carterdorsett6980 Před rokem +1

    Damn you missed on most of these

  • @saint5203
    @saint5203 Před 2 lety +1

    ego and greed. two peas in a pod!

  • @ronaldmoore6619
    @ronaldmoore6619 Před 2 lety

    Ok you lost me when you decided to show the back scrubbing scene…wtf is Craig Jones thinking.

  • @MozartificeR
    @MozartificeR Před rokem

    The might have just learned everything they could?

  • @smokeAndMirrors74
    @smokeAndMirrors74 Před 2 lety

    BJJ drama……the same as if a bunch of professional bowlers were mad at each other.

  • @quickstep2408
    @quickstep2408 Před 2 lety +1

    well sounds like there's no 'death' here for some of the ex death squad members: still devout disciples of john. more like danaher 'life' squad

  • @craigfoy5492
    @craigfoy5492 Před 2 lety +1

    It’s about money like everything in life

  • @Leopar525
    @Leopar525 Před rokem

    Danaher breaking up even the breakup for you

  • @becerrajose06
    @becerrajose06 Před 2 lety

    You were literally wrong about every topic

  • @XxXFlyingArmBarXxX
    @XxXFlyingArmBarXxX Před 2 lety

    Gary will probably link up with faras

  • @jamesleon2770
    @jamesleon2770 Před 2 lety +3

    Gordo just jelly of craig

  • @seanpgallagher22ify
    @seanpgallagher22ify Před 2 lety +1

    Craig is married ?!???!!!?

  • @BG-sj7zh
    @BG-sj7zh Před 2 lety

    Tonon is the best person in the squad next up is Craig. Tonon needs to train with MMA cats and prob wanted to come back to NJ. Big to do about nothing

  • @Sheahova
    @Sheahova Před rokem +2

    Lmfao all this speculation and gordon submits nicky in 3 mins