I do not inflate the tire before balancing. That way l can turn the tire on the rim and match the heavy spot of the tire with the lightest spot of the rim. It takes a little more time but l usually dont need any weights att all.
This is very similar to how we balance our surface grinding machine wheels. I have been thinking of trying this for a while now, but always wondered why it isn't more popular among DIYers in the home garage. In theory, an even larger wheel should be easier to see the misbalance (in my case 35"s). Thank you for this video.
Agreed, this is a far better and more accurate method than a bubble balancer. This is the same method used for motorcycle wheel balancing. It's balance around the axis of rotation, but that could be good enough. Thank you for the great video!
very good technique used in industrie when we don't have digitale balancing machine, but before you must look at the horizontality of the rotating axis with a bull level and the concentricity of the rim with a dial gauge to have a perfect result. Think about the rigidity of support too.
After watching this I made my own from scrap pallets, M20 threaded rod, 608 bearings and 3d printed cones. So far I have balanced two sets of tyres without issues. I wonder why no one makes these kind of rigs commercially in automotive sizes, such a simple but effective device and BoM cost is few euros at industry scale.
I have a static bubble balancer as well as this type of wheel balancer on stand specifically made for motorcycle wheels, without the threaded rod and cones (with threads). Would love to add this method of balancing automobile wheels to my existing motorcycle wheel balancer but I think the costs to source the threaded rod and matching cones would not be very cost effective.
Very good method, I like it. A little puzzled by the way you use the cones to center the wheel. The wheel pilot has a lead in chamfer on the inside. I thought you would put the cone on that chamfer and have the cones point toward each other.
@@robertdeptula2003 Of course, didn't think of that. I see No-Mar still has the cones and rod, but they are crazy $$$ I ended up using a wheel hub with the seal removed czcams.com/video/du5cTMqpIhY/video.html
the bubble balancer from Princess Auto is cheap and you can immediately see where to put the weight. Since the assembly is horizontal, you can just lie the weights one by one on the high point until it levels out. You may be able to make a DIY balancer yourself like this with a bubble level.
Check CZcams for bubble balancer mods to increase the accuracy of the bubble balancer, being cheap they weren't made with the greatest care and precision, but it can be greatly improved.
Try you balancer with a known well balanced tire in different orientations ..if the bubble is always centered youre good to go but I doubt that will be the case ..in which case try the unbalance tire in one spot and then move it 180 degrees and split the difference in weight placement. It may not be perfect but probably good enough.
Very interesting approach, and many opinions that the Bubble Balance is very inaccurate (I have HF Bubble). I'm curious why no manufacture produces machine of this kind, just for bicycles. I would like to ask that scrap metal for stands (@1:06), it looks like an aluminum downspout pipe, but definitely it is smth else, what is it? And what was the approximate distance between the small bearings? Thank you for the informative film w/a lot of useful tips.
The stand is made from old computer table legs. It is steel, not aluminium. The distance between bearings is not critical and depends on the rod one will use.
@@robertdeptula2003 Thank you for the replay. I think I'll use an angled metal to make a support stand. I balanced today 1 tire w/HF Bubble Balancer. I don't know how precise all that will be, but definitely it is more physically involved than your method. Thank you again.
Your bubble balancer is inaccurate because there is interference between the pin and the wheel cone assembly. The pin is not just sitting on its point, but the sides of its cone. If you enlarge the hole where the pin engages so you provide clearance, it will be more accurate. Check CZcams for bubble balancer mods.
Hi Robert.....great video......your method is just what I am looking for....I already have a Motorcycle Static Stand.....if I could find the cones and traded rod you have I would be fine. Only ones I can find on ebay are very expensive. Can I ask Robert....were did you get your cones.....and they made of metal or very hard plastic. Nick in the UK.
I bought them on line, but the company don't sell them anymore. They are made from HDPE. Your option is to visit machine shop and order them there. Regards.
Sir, seeing that you do this type of Balancing for 10 years and you try to get the minimum of Vibrations in the Wheels, can you give some driving speeds that you say the Steering wheel doesn"t Vibrate !!! For example lets say 60 miles 75 miles 85 miles. And for the rear Wheels that in doesn't Vibrate in the back of your Seat. I am asking this because , I am thinking of buying a Set. Kind regards Akko
That concept of balancing is one way of getting it done , how ever what your showing is not your creation ,thats a Motorcycle Bicycle Static Wheel Balancer Stand Rotating Adjustment Wheel , can be purchased on ebay around £35 to £45 ,and not sure why you didn't mention that in any detail ,Kinda misleading .
Where can I buy a 2 cones with thread rod ?
I do not inflate the tire before balancing. That way l can turn the tire on the rim and match the heavy spot of the tire with the lightest spot of the rim. It takes a little more time but l usually dont need any weights att all.
There are different schools. I've heard of a guy who is balancing rims first and then the whole assembly.
that's a good idea. nice one.
Nice 👍
Thank you for your quick response, keep up the great work , and Stay Save !!! Kind regards Akko
This is very similar to how we balance our surface grinding machine wheels. I have been thinking of trying this for a while now, but always wondered why it isn't more popular among DIYers in the home garage. In theory, an even larger wheel should be easier to see the misbalance (in my case 35"s). Thank you for this video.
You are welcome.
Indeed looks so simple.....those bubble rigs are useless.
Only problem.....I cant find any suppliers of the cone and threaded rod.
Fantastic video. Best video I have seen on this 👍
Thank you
Agreed, this is a far better and more accurate method than a bubble balancer. This is the same method used for motorcycle wheel balancing. It's balance around the axis of rotation, but that could be good enough. Thank you for the great video!
very good technique used in industrie when we don't have digitale balancing machine, but before you must look at the horizontality of the rotating axis with a bull level and the concentricity of the rim with a dial gauge to have a perfect result. Think about the rigidity of support too.
Good work . .. will make one of these stands up myself.
After watching this I made my own from scrap pallets, M20 threaded rod, 608 bearings and 3d printed cones. So far I have balanced two sets of tyres without issues. I wonder why no one makes these kind of rigs commercially in automotive sizes, such a simple but effective device and BoM cost is few euros at industry scale.
did you download the cones from somewhere? Or did you model them yourself?
You said you weren’t a mechanic, because you are smart 👍
Hi
where did you get the cones?
very simple but very effective and quiet easy to make the stand yourself well done and well explained
Thank you.
I have a static bubble balancer as well as this type of wheel balancer on stand specifically made for motorcycle wheels, without the threaded rod and cones (with threads). Would love to add this method of balancing automobile wheels to my existing motorcycle wheel balancer but I think the costs to source the threaded rod and matching cones would not be very cost effective.
Very good method, I like it.
A little puzzled by the way you use the cones to center the wheel.
The wheel pilot has a lead in chamfer on the inside. I thought you would put the cone on that chamfer and have the cones point toward each other.
When I point cones toward each other they don't lock on the wheel. They are too long.
@@robertdeptula2003 Of course, didn't think of that.
I see No-Mar still has the cones and rod, but they are crazy $$$
I ended up using a wheel hub with the seal removed
czcams.com/video/du5cTMqpIhY/video.html
@@robertdeptula2003 I think, that you should consider to cut off the tip of the cones, so that they dont touch. They should point towards each other.
the bubble balancer from Princess Auto is cheap and you can immediately see where to put the weight. Since the assembly is horizontal, you can just lie the weights one by one on the high point until it levels out. You may be able to make a DIY balancer yourself like this with a bubble level.
At the end of this video I use bubble balancer 12:10. I get better results using the "cone and rod" method.
@@robertdeptula2003 cone and rod is better. I find the bubble balancer always give different result each time I put it back on the balancer
Check CZcams for bubble balancer mods to increase the accuracy of the bubble balancer, being cheap they weren't made with the greatest care and precision, but it can be greatly improved.
Try you balancer with a known well balanced tire in different orientations ..if the bubble is always centered youre good to go but I doubt that will be the case ..in which case try the unbalance tire in one spot and then move it 180 degrees and split the difference in weight placement. It may not be perfect but probably good enough.
Wow totally trying this myself. Is there any specific products I can buy for the set up?
www.google.com/search?q=balancing+cones&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwj1p-idv9DuAhVKLN8KHc-UD4EQ2-cCegQIABAA&oq=balancing+cones&gs_lcp=CgNpbWcQDDIECCMQJ1DUj15Y0ZReYIqpXmgAcAB4AIABQIgB5QKSAQE2mAEAoAEBqgELZ3dzLXdpei1pbWfAAQE&sclient=img&ei=2AscYPXbBcrY_AbPqb6ICA&bih=937&biw=1920&rlz=1C1CHBF_enCA769CA770
@@robertdeptula2003 so it’s a motorcycle wheel balancer I should get as the stand?
@@xK27R The stand I made myself. Easy. The rod and cones are bought.
Hello, can you say me where do you buy those cones?
this looks like a great method. where did you get the cones? thanks for the video.
Google "balancing cones". The cones I have are no longer available. Good luck!
@@robertdeptula2003 thanks for the info as i have been looking with no success., i'll google that now.
Very interesting approach, and many opinions that the Bubble Balance is very inaccurate (I have HF Bubble). I'm curious why no manufacture produces machine of this kind, just for bicycles. I would like to ask that scrap metal for stands (@1:06), it looks like an aluminum downspout pipe, but definitely it is smth else, what is it? And what was the approximate distance between the small bearings? Thank you for the informative film w/a lot of useful tips.
The stand is made from old computer table legs. It is steel, not aluminium. The distance between bearings is not critical and depends on the rod one will use.
@@robertdeptula2003 Thank you for the replay. I think I'll use an angled metal to make a support stand. I balanced today 1 tire w/HF Bubble Balancer. I don't know how precise all that will be, but definitely it is more physically involved than your method. Thank you again.
Your bubble balancer is inaccurate because there is interference between the pin and the wheel cone assembly. The pin is not just sitting on its point, but the sides of its cone. If you enlarge the hole where the pin engages so you provide clearance, it will be more accurate. Check CZcams for bubble balancer mods.
Very Good Video. Is there source that you can purchase the large cones and the threaded rod?
Bought years ago at NoMar company, but they got pricey now.
Thank you
where do you get the cones
Hi Robert.....great video......your method is just what I am looking for....I already have a Motorcycle Static Stand.....if I could find the cones and traded rod you have I would be fine.
Only ones I can find on ebay are very expensive.
Can I ask Robert....were did you get your cones.....and they made of metal or very hard plastic.
Nick in the UK.
I bought them on line, but the company don't sell them anymore. They are made from HDPE. Your option is to visit machine shop and order them there. Regards.
Where do you buy these 2 block cones
www.google.com/search?q=balancing+cones&rlz=1C1CHBF_enCA769CA770&sxsrf=ALeKk02qeuIYV5vRr2YHHb_I1ZXqVRohEQ:1612064291415&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjbose7n8XuAhUrrVkKHfs4AkUQ_AUoAXoECA4QAw&biw=1920&bih=937
i like it--- where can i get the cones
No-Mar used to have them cheap. Not anymore.
Where can I buy the cones? Links please.
Used to be cheap at NoMar, now it is better to take a piece of HDPE to local turner.
Sir, seeing that you do this type of Balancing for 10 years and you try to get the minimum of Vibrations in the Wheels, can you give some driving speeds that you say the Steering wheel doesn"t Vibrate !!! For example lets say 60 miles 75 miles 85 miles. And for the rear Wheels that in doesn't Vibrate in the back of your Seat. I am asking this because , I am thinking of buying a Set.
Kind regards Akko
I drive up to 110 km/h. No problems.
Were you get those cones?
Google balancing cones.
Where did you get the rod and cones? How would I find them?
Bought it on line years ago.
The cones and rod are sold on The Nomar website. www.nomartirechanger.com/Large_Cones_for_Motorcycle_Wheel_Balancer_p/bl-largecones.htm
@@l.p.moresc8219 thanks
@14:40 the rim is visibly bent at 1 o'clock
Don't look at 1 o'clock, look at 6 o'clock.
It's a 12 minute video...there is no 14:40
God this gets aweful! If you fix anything, you are a machanic! Anyway! That can help with some people!
What I meant was: not a mechanic by profession. Cheers
That concept of balancing is one way of getting it done , how ever what your showing is not your creation ,thats a Motorcycle Bicycle Static Wheel Balancer Stand Rotating Adjustment Wheel , can be purchased on ebay around £35 to £45 ,and not sure why you didn't mention that in any detail ,Kinda misleading .
I don't claim that it is my invention.