Moon Knight: Obscure Characters Get to Take Chances
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Moon Knight has never been an A-list title. In fact, it's a title that is regularly canceled and rebooted with a new creative team. But because it isn't a top-seller, Marvel Comics allows it's writers and illustrators to take more chances on it. This video goes over the changes each creative team made when they took a crack at Moon Knight.
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Oh, hi! You caught me being brought back to life by an ancient Egyptian god. Speaking of Egyptian gods...
.....have you heard about konshu?.....
@gamewizard I .....though I'm no really sure if he's real or....
@gamewizard I or maybe I'm just crazy.
@@lightknight429 maybe its maybelline
Beautiful
Oh hi... You caught me carving off my arch-enemy's face to place on my statue of the Egyptian god Khonshu.
What's new? *sitcom laugh track ensues*
Before he was in films, *Iron Man* was obscure to many mainstream audiences. Same goes for *Guardians Of The Galaxy,* *Blade,* Hawkeye, Black Widow. I can't wait to see Moon Knight.
When I was I little kid, I watched the cartoon about him. The one with the main theme by Keith Emerson. Does that make me a hipster? :D
@@MrSomebodyStrange My sister gave me a part one of a Moon Knight and Punisher team up. Was a fan ever since
Iron Man was never really Guardians obscure, but yeah, before the movie, seemed most no one outside of my fellow comic geek friends knew much about him. Then suddenly, everyone was Iron Man's biggest fan, and they always thought he was waaaayyy cooler than Batman, don't ya know. 😆
Ironman was never obscure. I grew up watching cartoons of him.
Captain America & Ironman were just slightly below A Listers. Never obscure. Hulk & Spiderman were the solo A Listers of Marvel
The Guardians are the only ones you can really compare to Moon Knight. Iron Man has been pretty well known for decades.
I knew that that costume had something to do with godzillamendoza
because it looked kinda good but not quite good enough and on a malnourished body? Yeah I noticed it too.
When the moon knight show comes out everybody’s going to be saying they’ve been moon knight fans before he became popular
Im goanna hate that shit so much. But it good because everyone's goanna be forced to then acknowledge the supressed egyptian wisdom thats been gaining popularity over the the last years. To be honest, i would personally guess thats why hollywood is even making a moonknight tv show, to make the genius egyptian theology seem like nothing more than fiction, because the egyptians (more particularly their precursors the sumerians) were the most advanced civilization we know of, but its been supressed
I have been a fan since around 2015 when I first started to look for cheap comics to read.
Seon ... 😳
@@taffysaur or im just crazy like him lol but i doubt it
Yup
He is saying Moon Knight strangely, right? Its not just me hearing him pronounce it as “MOO-nnEYE-T”!?
It was driving me nuts 😂
MooNIGHT
Ye he’s accentuating the “i” just a bit
Emphasis on the knight instead of the moon
Sounds to me like hes just saying moon knight.
I have never been a fan of street level superheroes, nothing personal, I just like cosmic stories and space operas, but Moon Knight and the Question have been exceptions for me, I loved Lemire's run of Moon Knight and Vengeance of Moon Knight is one of my favourite stories. Id love if you covered The Question specifically Dennis O'Neil's run.
Yeah I was hoping he would go more into the Question when he touched upon him in the episode about Steve Ditko
@@AceLM92 That is exactly why I would like him to cover The Question as Ditkos was an analog for his objectivist views, while O'Neil took the character in a different direction.
@@sergioruiz733 yeah I'd like to see the contrast. He did give a simple synopsis that the Question was essentially a tame version of Mr. A, but I think that left a lot to be discussed in a comparative sense with later incarnations of the Question
I've been asking for an episode on the Question, including the fantastic Denny O'Neill run. And I'll keep asking. Such a great character who's gone through some interesting changes. I will always treasure the meta-issue where Question comes to idolize, then reject Rorschach, after reading a copy of Watchmen that someone left on an airliner. Works on so many levels.
And I like street level heroics to balance out the global and cosmic threats. Heroes like Moon Knight, Question, Daredevil, etc., excel at exploring different kinds of themes. And I'll throw Batman halfway into that basket, as I've never quite reconciled the Batman who fights aliens alongside the Justice League with the grim vigilante of Gotham. He walks in both worlds.
tbh- Moon Knight has helped me with my bi-polar issues. It lets me know I am not alone, one, and to help "explain" for others, two.
Thank you! Thank you. Thank you.
ya brought tears to my eyes.
awesome
Roses are red violets are blue
im bipolar and so am I.
Finally a Moon Knight episode, Thanks Chris!
Brandon Yes daddy
Actually Moon Knight's favorite DISGUISE was Steven Grant, as Marc Spector no longer wanted to live under his true identity as it gave him PTSD/anxiety remembering all the bad things he did back in his mercenary career. Steven Grant was a way for him to feel normal, confident, and Marlene loved Steven Grant to death as he had the least to do with crime fighting.
The Sienkiewicz run is fantastic, you literally watch him evolve into his trademark wild expressionist mode in real time
My favourite is the Huston/Finch run. Showing that a hero can be uniquely flawed, and self-destructive; struggling with mental health; and a strong supporting cast with a hero's love interest who is actually strong and independent, Crawley, the very articulate homeless man and Frenchie. The reveal of Frenchie's sexuality was also handled really well. Damn good run, and it is, in my opinion the best and strongest character study of the bunch. It always hurts when people don't recommend it, because they are put off by the violence - or it's not sleek enough.
Moon Knight does have a pretty good (and reoccurring) rogue's gallery too, so I disagree somewhat with you there. Stained Glass Scarlet - a nun with an awesome design, whose child was a criminal that was murdered, and when she found out, she tried to fix the system through god's grace. Like a female religious punisher. I'm making a bad case for it, aren't I? Trust me, she's neat. Anyway, he also had Morpheus. A sleep-focused character who builds up his power the longer he's awake - with lots of nice nightmarish imagery. Black Spectre was a medival themed villain who represented the political side of veterans and judicial systems - and how they had failed the people. I thought he was cool, especially with how far he pushes Moon Knight.
A lot of good stuff, is what I'm saying :)
That nun would make a great anti-hero on her own
I've re-read it a number of times... and now have that series in Kindle format... it really is a benchmark up there with the Ellis/Hitch THE AUTHORITY run or the PLANETARY series by Ellis/Cassaday..
I always recommend friends Lemire 😅
That Moon Knight Costume is bordering on see through.
The Question. Each time he's given a comic series is represented differently. The way Ditko wrote him differs a lot from the way O'Neil wrote him or how he was represented in the animated show Justice League Unlimited.
Armando Ulloa That's what I like about him. It adds to his facelessness.
O'Neill/Cowan's Question run is as classic as Moench/Sienkiewicz's Moon Knight run
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@@fellinuxvi3541 though he was talking about moon knight ignore that
As someone who claims Moon Knight as their be all and all favorite character, you have done a much better job with him then any other video I'v seen so far, honestly. It cant be stated enough that fans of Moonie HATE the bendis run, and this is a fandom that tends to adore all of his works. Also, you forgot to mention what is my favorite moment, which is when the spiderman villain 'the fly' the most F tier villain, breaks moonie's back, lol.
'A Box of Music for Savage Studs' is one of my favorite Moon Knight stories, its a wonderful one, and it is referenced in the Ellis run where he is fighting the ghosts. The music box at the end is a big call back to this story. That run is full of references to the old series.
I love how he says moon Knight, putting the accent on the knight.
I wonder how he pronounces Autechre?
Well I didn’t notice it before but now it can’t be unheard.
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The Charlie Huston run was amazing. My goodness, it shows how great of a fighter Moonknight is with that fight with Taskmaster. It’s also one of the best art I’ve seen of the character by David Finch. Warren Ellis and Jeff Lemire’s run we’re also on e of my top favorite as well .
When they make moon knight I hope they go all out like legion. Actually take risks and portray mental health right ( Also talk about legion)
It's on Disney+, I would just assume no. Disney always plays it safe.
I'm leery about the idea of Disney getting anything right on mental health issues. Mishandled, that sort of thing is more harmful than not trying at all.
Rich McGee But legion so good in portraying mental health
Something between Legion and the first season of DareDevil would be perfect
@@icthulu Disney has been stepping out of the "playing it safe" zone for awhile now, especially with endgame. Also don't forget that until recently the Netflix shows took place in the MCU.
When i first saw Moon Knight in Ultimate Alliance, thought he was rad. Picked up the comic release in 2016, been a fan ever since!! Love how they can just make him kinda weird cause like you say, hes a lil obscure
"it's basicly an uber driver but with life insurance and helth benefits"
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oh hi, you caught me mooning my neighbor at night, speaking of mooning, let's talk about Moon Knight.
Lemire's run is my favorite. It's beautifully written and almost fooled me into thinking Marc wasn't a superhero.
The Marvel Ultimate Alliance 3 DLC featuring Moon Knight came out a day early, right as this video went up. Watching it while the update downloads. Copacetic.
Best single issue (and good for newcomers) is #25 of his original run, a double-sizer introducing Black Spectre. It's a really solid self-contained story and includes some early references to his mental issues as well (yes his mental issues were sometimes alluded in the first volume as well, though never as specifically as later).
@David B Jacobs .....Actually Moon Knight didn't have mental issues in that comic issue #25. Marlene only made a joke stating something along the lines of "Sometimes I feel you may have multiple personality disorder or are schizophrenic" and the Marc prominently denies it. He walks away looking back at his Khonshu statue and has a vision of it melting. This was meant to signify Marc Spector realizing his Khonshu statue was a fake made out of wax that Marlene and Frenchie built him to calm him down after his Statue was broken by Bushman. Marc Spector realized that his friends think he's crazy and don't take him seriously.
No, issue #27 written by Steven Grant was the first time they introduce multiple personality disorder, mistake Moon Knight's costume as white, and made clear that Marc is Schizophrenic. But Doug Moench would come back in issue 28 onward to make sure people understood issue 27 was not canon....... though eventually it did become canon again by Charlie Huston in 2006. The Charlie Huston avoided giving him multiple personality disorder, only the characters around him believe he has this condition. However he did get Multiple Personality (due to a new writing team) around the end of Vengeance of the Moon Knight..... or in the Shadowlands comic that continues off from Vengeance.
I’ll be honest, I didn’t know too much about moon knight outside of Spider Man Web of Shadows, but this video (along with GodzillaMendoza’s videos about the character) has convinced me to read up about him, He seems really cool.
He’s extremely boring with a long list of bad comics.
@@zzodysseuszz Cap
I feel that a similar character in the DC U has proven to be as compelling of a character. I am talking about Ragman, and the most recent miniseries is very well done. Takes into account the inner thoughts of the MC and his self imposed duty.
This Channel can make an interesting Video of ANYTHINg i bevlieve.
Great work, watched EVERY VIDEO of the ComicTropes, respect, that speaks for you
I pretty much liked every MK version, to be honest. He's one of my favourite Marvel characters and I love how he changes depending on the writers. In regards to characters gifted by a particular run: there are a lot, but I especially adore how Venditti treated Hawkman. He took a character famous for his confusing origins and story and created a coherent narration which pretty much encapsulates every version and run and it made it make sense. Also it is a fantastic jumping on point and it has gorgeous art
Discovered the channel a month ago, been bingeing every since! Great stuff!
So happy to see you talking Moon Knight. Thanks Chris!
This got recommended to me because I’ve been binge watching your videos and I just watched the new moon knight trailer! Talk about obscure characters getting chances!
Great lore video, love your work!
Love that you got godzillamendoza back in your videos
Thank you for this awesome video dude.
Another great video. Your videos give me nostalgia for going down to the comic shop in town when i was a kid, the shop isn't there anymore, but watching your videos gives me the same feeling i would get when i went down there to talk comics with all the guys in the shop
You put a lot of work into this, good job.
Moon Knight is my favorite Super Hero, so I'm glad he's getting a show and I'm glad you finally made an episode on him.
I like how you mimic Moon Knight's multiple personalities by sometimes putting the emphasis on MOON and sometimes on KNIGHT whenever you say his name. MOON Knight. Moon KNIGHT. Well played!
Loved this! Thanks a lot, my fave hero. I have to read these recent runs, even the Bendis run.
Great video as always, Chris! Always makes my morning when I see that you've uploaded a new one.
The way you're saying is (moon KNIGHT) sounds strange. My friends and I always said MOON knight.
That was super distracting!!
good work chris keep it up!
I thought I was clicking on one of godzillamendoza’s cosplay videos. Always glad to see another crossover!
Moon Knight has a weird rogues gallery, he once fought a guy dressed as Bluebeard and even mother nature itself, he also teamed up with the X-Men and Fantastic Four to take on a powerful psychic mutant lady
i have been wondering how to pronounce "Sienkiewicz" for 2 decades+
Sin-Kev-Itch.
Same, Moe-nekk and Sien-ky-vitch for me. Also Conan as Co-Nan.
I always said Sink-uh-Witz. I was waaaay off.
Well, how explain this to non-Pole... Shyen-kye-vitch? Close enough, I think.
What bit of the Huston/Finch run I've seen, I really dug Finch's art, specifically because he puts such dense anatomical detail into his art that it ends up almost as a grotesque satire of the beefcake violence of superhero books. Even before all the blood and gore comes out in that opening fight with Bushman, they're so ridiculously bulky and veiny that the muscularity itself is off-putting. It fits well with the realistic violence and mental trauma Huston is writing, that if people were as huge and powerful as superhero comics often depict them, they'd be horrifying more than aspirational in some ways.
Great job, Chris! Always enjoy your work :)
Thanks for including my artwork! I know it wasn't the best, but it's nice to get my ideas out there :)
The Brian Wood run is pretty underrated. It's not up to par with Jeff Lemire and Warren Ellis's runs but it's still a great story.
Your show is so wonderful
Love it!
I first picked up Moon Knight in the Marc Specter: Moon Knight era. Always liked the character. For Disney's show I'd like to see the mental health and magic oriented sides brought in as maybe he has two personalities relevant to Hero work. A street crime and shaman version. Maybe the switch off depending on the threat but the shaman version (which is tied strongly the Konshu) grows dominant around the full moon.
Always liked this character, I have to agree, he's very versatile in terms of what you can do with him. His identity issues came through a bit (mostly as subtext) even in the early series, which made the later more explicit examination of his mental health feel less like an out-of-nowhere thing. If nothing else he's always had striking character designs, and he helped put Sienkiewicz (man, that's hard to spell) on the map as a talented artist with a unique style. It's nice to see that the old criticisms of him as a mere Batman knockoff have faded a bit, that was a very common complaint about MK in the 80s. Certainly lots of parallels to be drawn, but the character is deeper than an inferior imitation.
@Rich McGee .....I blame solely Bill Sienkiewicz for the stigma of Moon Knight being a BatMan ripoff. As Bill admits in a 2018 interview that he purposely redesigned Moon Knight to look like BatMan and pose like BatMan as a middle finger to Doug Moench.
He hated working with the guy behind close doors and strongly feels Moon Knight is a lame and boring superhero. And all Bill wanted to draw was BatMan, but DC Comics wouldn't hire him since he's fresh blood.
Even to this day, Bill hates Moon Knight but would gladly take a job drawing the variant cover for him (money is money).
On the other hand of things, Doug Moench was inspired by The Shadow and Warren Publishing's Vampirella when writting Moon Knight (as brought up VERY breifly in a few interviews.... Like one sentence brief. He did the same thing when he dropped the bomb that HE spent two weeks working with Warren Ellis on the 2014 Moon Knight run..... Like come on Doug!!!! We want to know more about this!!!!).
BatMan was also inspired by The Shadow aka The Knight of Darkness (The Shadow's nickname). So there's also that connection between Moon Knight and BatMan.
"I was just enjoying my favorite film [MOONLIGHT, DIR. BARRY JENKINS]. What can I do for you?"
Finally I was looking for this comment, you've made my day.
I love your outfit choice for this video, Chris. It matches Mr. Night well.
Good thing this video came recommended to me after the reveal trailer from yesterday, all that I knew is Poe Dameron would play the "random bullshit go!" meme comic book character.
ive been curious about moon knight for some time now and you really sold me on a couple of those runs! i'll try and pick them up the next time i go to my local comic shop
The Defenders were always my favorite Marvel (non) team. So, of course, the Zodiac storyline was my introduction to Moon Knight ( None of the stores that sold comics in my area back then carried the titles like Werewolf by Night. ) I've been a fan of his ever since.
Thanks Chris, good to see a some what unknown character get the spot light. I came across MK via the Spiderman Midknight, was one of my favs.
Finally! So glad you finally covered Moon Knight!
Yes. Was waiting for this episode.
Moon Knight is an amazing character. Been enjoying him since the 90s and got some of his older comics. Whooooo some different tones!
The...Ellis...run? Where he cuts off Bushman's face, that really had me following the comics. Dropped off when he imitated wolverine and cap and Spidey, and came right on back for the Mr Knight run
Glorious lovely goodness.
awesome episode!
"Top Tier Talent"
"Brian Michael Bendis"
Pick one.
Moon Knight has been my favourite superhero for a long time, and a big part of that is the boundary breaking, risk taking nature of his best runs. It's great to hear that getting spotlighted for a change, instead of just mentioning highlights and lowlights. Thanks Comic Tropes!
I would LOVE to see an episode on Bill Sienkiewicz. My favorite comic book artist of all time. When I got to see my name on the same page as his in a trade paperback, I was able to put down a giant unexpected checkmark on my bucket list. When I first picked up the DC Shadow comics in the 80s, his harrowing style forever changed the way I looked at comics. I followed it a bit after his departure, with Andrew Helfer's storylines still being heavy, gritty stuff that I wasn't used to, and the art by Marshall Rogers (with inks by Kyle Baker) was suitable. But it didn't have the nightmarish quality of Sienkiewicz's distinctive style.
Huge fan. Love your content. My friend Mr snowflake said he'd draw pic but he's taking ages
thanks! I've always been curious about Moon Knight :)
That’s why I love Marvel. In other media (Movies, games, Tv shows, cartoons) they bring obscure characters to the spotlight. That’s why I love Marvel games, they have characters people know as well as C-List and D-List characters.
Chris, why didnt we catch you doing something weird in the intro this time?
Ren Ante None of my ideas seemed that funny so I decided not to force it.
ComicTropes Oh, I assumed you forgot. But your reason is actually really solid
But not doing something weird IS something weird for Chris, so...yeah.
Remember when he dropped the Candy bar in the kitty litter?!? He def was going to moon us!
Fantastic job chronicling a character that can be tough to define! My favorite hero, can't wait for the Disney+ series!!
I like that Lemire tells the story in a way that makes you as lost and confused as Moon Knight is himself
I Just Wana quickly say that Moon Knight was one of my favorite comicbook v characters as a youngster. Even though I didn't have that many comics with him in it but still I always did like him alot. Thanks for making this video about him.
Deadshot was a relatively minor character when both John Ostrander and Christos N. Gage did excellent series about him.
Seeing the top 10 page from Wizard magazine at 8:35 took me back..I loved Wizard!And couldn’t wait to see what was hot!
"Oh hi there... looks like you caught me not doing a seque intro into this video"
I liked when Moon Knight showed up in Ultimate Spider-Man, the comic not the show. It's funny that Bendis got Moon Knight more in that book then when he was writing his solo title.
Lemire’s run is just beautiful imo, one of the few series where I’ve gone out of my way to own each individual 1st print issue.
I wish I could experience the Lemire run for the first time again. I loved that story so much. It may be my favorite comic story arc of all time.
The Sienkiewicz Werewolf by Night story is a really distinct memory from my childhood. It was the greatest thing ever to me at the time. Probably had to do with the popularity of American Werewolf in London and the Howling on VHS at the time.
Thanks for that video. I wanted to get into the character of Moon Knight since he will be a part of Conan: Serpent War. Your video came out at the right time.
I'm looking forward to it!
This is a super helpful video, I've always wanted to get into Moon Knight, but because he's so obscure I've never known where to start. The Disney+ show is one of the ones that I'm most hype for and I really want to do some research before then.
Glad to see Xavier in a video here again.
Great video as usual, but I found your weird inflection of "Moon Knight" so distracting
It's inconsistent though, sometimes moonknight which sounds wrong to me, other times Moon Knight which sounds correct.
Ugh, thank you. I was gonna comment that too. It came out of nowhere.
Glad i wasnt going crazy
I know .Like Eye Ron Man,or Spi der man. Lol I love this guy.
moonKNIGHT is my favorite superhero
Is it me or is GodzillaMendoza doing something of a Mr. Burns impression in the suit? I dont mind, I love it. Thanks Chris.
Moon Knight on Sun Day
Excellent summary.
I love the video but please keep the intros :'( those are gold man
Yeah Godzilla mendoza get that representation
Still waiting for them to bring the full Marc Spector: Moon Knight run to digital so I can cop those Stephen Platt issues.
@Number Runner ....I actually managed to buy all 3 issues that were worth $80 a piece..... for only $1 a piece since the comic book store owner knew jack about Moon Knight.
Your Moon Night Cameos in this episode was hilarious. I don’t know if you wrote them that way on purpose, but it would be cool to have Moon Night drop in from time to time and co host.😂😂😂😂
Dude I love godzilla mendoza!
Good definition of cabdrivers. Moon Knight is a man of the people.
Alan Moore and Swamp Thing is the most obvious example
this is very cool
Glad you doing moon knight keep the good work .
Loved the video chris! Like you said, moon knight is super versatile! Disney is going to have a hard time nailing this one. They have to cover the 3 personas (cab driver, millionare and mercenary) the mental issues and the many suits and gadjets. Plus the secondary characters and main villain!
Did Godzilla Mendoza use a Belt from the Dark Knight colored white for the Moon Knight cosplay? Because it really brings the whole costume together.
That Moench/Sienkiewicz is amazing. Some of the best art in the industry.
Funny how, in GodzillaMendoza's last video, he mentioned wanting to appear in a Comic Tropes episode again.
NotSpider-Man 777 I got my wish!