Fireclaw vs. 20 Corruptors

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Komentáře • 252

  • @jackirv69
    @jackirv69 Před 2 lety +46

    Corruptors: we have you 20 to 1
    Fireclaw: I like those odds

  • @Eduardo-rg84
    @Eduardo-rg84 Před rokem +17

    If only Elizabeth would've known they just needed an army of fireclaws to save the world

  • @Bp2181991
    @Bp2181991 Před 2 lety +299

    Damn! That final blow was epic! Good friggin content.

  • @hugosanchez4593
    @hugosanchez4593 Před 2 lety +43

    Wow, that fireclaw was on its last legs, and he managed to pull it out.

  • @cifer8070
    @cifer8070 Před 2 lety +220

    This game's AI is still some of the most impressive out there even now

    • @mrkeinzi
      @mrkeinzi Před 2 lety +18

      Maybe the robot but not the humain.

    • @kingmarcoiron9711
      @kingmarcoiron9711 Před 2 lety +4

      A mix between horizon AI and The Forest AI would be very interesting

    • @iamnizorro9781
      @iamnizorro9781 Před 2 lety +9

      ? What? I think it's incredibly unintelligent. They have a fairly big moveset, but thats about it. The AI itself is not very smart at all.

    • @nextbigthingthebeastincarn7216
      @nextbigthingthebeastincarn7216 Před 2 lety +1

      @@iamnizorro9781 sometimes

    • @ricecake3544
      @ricecake3544 Před rokem

      This ai is dog shit compared to rain world's and the souls games

  • @cathalmurphy4584
    @cathalmurphy4584 Před 2 lety +306

    If only pre zero day humans had a couple of those, the Faro swarm wouldn’t have stood a chance.

    • @dydy972x4
      @dydy972x4 Před 2 lety +8

      That's for sure

    • @hu3ro107
      @hu3ro107 Před 2 lety +73

      It is a half truth, in the game a confrontation like this was not planned, that is why we see that the Fireclaw is not corrupted, however if we follow a realistic line it would become part of the swarm. (°ロ°)

    • @sushivision
      @sushivision Před 2 lety +61

      @@dydy972x4 yup the swarm can hack other machines. That's why police and armies hadto shut down their own machines and just fight the swarm with guns, tanks and aircrafts.

    • @deadlyjeff9106
      @deadlyjeff9106 Před 2 lety +37

      Well nah the fireclaws would’ve taken down a lot of corrupters and deathbringers but the Horus Titans would just smash then to peices they’re like the size of cities

    • @dydy972x4
      @dydy972x4 Před 2 lety +12

      Well yeah the horus would be undefeatable but the Gaia machines if overriden can't be corrupted by the faro machines but yeah horus would need a mega thunderjaw or something to be killed

  • @gilfordtan
    @gilfordtan Před 2 lety +279

    I feel like I'm watching Godzilla: King of the Monsters

    • @koby._.e5416
      @koby._.e5416 Před 2 lety +1

      Ong

    • @Mr_AntiSocial
      @Mr_AntiSocial Před 2 lety +1

      @@koby._.e5416 Bee

    • @djbumper1265
      @djbumper1265 Před 2 lety +7

      3 words: Kong Skull Island

    • @CaptainPilipinas
      @CaptainPilipinas Před rokem +2

      @@djbumper1265 there we go. someone said it.
      but....
      send in a legion of normal scorcher units on that damned island for example anyways.
      'then we (and those poor characters having to deal whatever horrors that comes out of that island also taking a break out of this) just sit back and let |those monsters| and |those types of GAIA units| have at it.' ZJD, with some edited words to fit in this possible scenario.

    • @Littlekoji-df1cf
      @Littlekoji-df1cf Před rokem +1

      More like Kong VS subadult skullcrawlers

  • @kbbl11
    @kbbl11 Před 2 lety +96

    It's insane to think that humans had to fight against hundreds of those corruptors

    • @electric_deer2007
      @electric_deer2007 Před 2 lety +34

      Thousands and not only corruptors they had other machines against them too
      Edit : apparently it's 500 million

    • @HigHrvatski
      @HigHrvatski Před 2 lety +28

      @@electric_deer2007 The number was about over 500 million Corruptors, Deathbringers, Metal Devils left standing after life on Earth ended.

    • @wr5488
      @wr5488 Před 2 lety +8

      Humans should've just had a couple hundred Fireclaws on their side smh

    • @Scandium52
      @Scandium52 Před 2 lety +2

      Today we know there were at max a thousand Horus Titans. With 500 million corruptors and death bringers combined

    • @Skepticminecraft
      @Skepticminecraft Před rokem

      @@wr5488lol

  • @rayzermaniac5218
    @rayzermaniac5218 Před 2 lety +153

    Turns out Hephestus had the cure for the faro plague all along. I only wish that the game allowed you some control over an overridden machine. Like you can order it to a specific slot, or order it to follow or attack a set target. Would have been cool if you could show up to a main quest mission with a Thunderjaw at your side.

    • @daanabbring5409
      @daanabbring5409 Před 2 lety +10

      I really hope that the new game will let you do exactly that.

    • @nateklempner561
      @nateklempner561 Před 2 lety +20

      Nah, I just wish the game was programmed to let you ride ALL the overridden machines. Then you could ride in on a Sawtooth with the other 5 of the Pride following you into battle like the actual f#$%ing cavalry.
      Edit: A Ravager would be even more epic since you could use its laser gun. P-p-p-p-p-p-p-pew!!!

    • @AssassinT10
      @AssassinT10 Před 2 lety +7

      imagine a Horizon multiplayer where you control a FARO or GAIA machine.....in all out war

    • @argga2
      @argga2 Před 2 lety

      Big same. Hope we get that option in HFW

    • @NoName-pd8pu
      @NoName-pd8pu Před 2 lety +3

      @@AssassinT10 why did I just imagine a sawtooth T-bagging some human corpses?

  • @henrymugello3387
    @henrymugello3387 Před 2 lety +59

    That ending was awesome.

  • @zenith8417
    @zenith8417 Před 2 lety +34

    The sound design in this game is SO good

  • @hoangformevo945
    @hoangformevo945 Před 2 lety +9

    The way the Fireclaw just rip through a horde of corruptors, I can't imagine a fight between an army of Fireclaw against the Faro Plague. So immensely strong for a machine designed by Hephaestus.

    • @RAL0981
      @RAL0981 Před rokem

      And a Army of thunder jaws for the deathbringers

  • @DavidVanmeterDutch
    @DavidVanmeterDutch Před 2 lety +62

    I honestly thought the Fireclaw was going down on that one. Fireclaw hits hard but has a limited amount of attacks as well as the time between attacks. But awesome fight.

  • @iagobroxado
    @iagobroxado Před 2 lety +39

    Most epic mod battle I've seen so far.

  • @deoxi3207
    @deoxi3207 Před 2 lety +12

    For the pre zero day humans. 20 Corrupters was a VERY little amount of force that they would normally experience.

  • @mookyyzed2216
    @mookyyzed2216 Před 2 lety +25

    Corruptors are my favorite machine in the game. I just wish there were more of them to fight. Just seeing 20 of them together was awesome af! I thought they may have taken the Fireclaw at the end but the big guy was able to hold by the skin of his teeth. This was so cool!!!

  • @gabrielbrown4218
    @gabrielbrown4218 Před 2 lety +16

    It's so awesome how they made the machines animation and fights so good.

  • @MrSyak1989
    @MrSyak1989 Před 2 lety +7

    Fire claw be like “can anybody provide me with a decent challenge???!!!!!”

  • @matteobarbot9072
    @matteobarbot9072 Před 2 lety +13

    That finish

  • @dxnny162
    @dxnny162 Před 2 lety +4

    I felt like I was watching a movie and I was cheering for the fireclaw 😭😭

  • @Darklarik3
    @Darklarik3 Před 2 lety +36

    Hephastus just needs to make 1000 Demon-upgraded Fireclaws and he could have taken on the entire Swarm by himself.
    Would like to see 10 Deathbrings and 30 corruptors vs 3 Demonic Fireclaws. That would be a battle

    • @vercing1324
      @vercing1324 Před 2 lety +1

      THAT WOULD BE AMAZING! UP!

    • @LucDaMan4
      @LucDaMan4 Před 2 lety +4

      Yeah unfortunately fireclaws were only put into production after the tribes started hunting machines

    • @vercing1324
      @vercing1324 Před 2 lety

      @@LucDaMan4 yes, and with the ancient tech of project firebreak, am i right?

    • @LucDaMan4
      @LucDaMan4 Před 2 lety

      @@vercing1324 dont know about the DLC lore but probably

  • @mg-us7ug
    @mg-us7ug Před 2 lety +3

    This just makes it a lot more impressive that Aloy can take a Fireclaw.

  • @PerovNigma
    @PerovNigma Před 2 lety +20

    *HADES:* You would defeat the Corruptors with four Fireclaws?
    *HEPHAESTUS:* I would defeat the Corruptors with ONE Fireclaw! You are superior in only ONE respect!
    *HADES:* What is that?
    *HEPHAESTUS:* You are better at DYING!

  • @RevanSurik
    @RevanSurik Před 2 lety +14

    It doesn't come in the Corruptors' favour that they're vulnerable to the exact element the Fireclaw is made of lol Still, that was a badass fight!

  • @kaanasdf8131
    @kaanasdf8131 Před 2 lety +42

    What about ''Faro Plague'' vs Fireclaw? Bunch of Deathbringers and Corruptors fighting a Fireclaw would be cool!

  • @yowhza5383
    @yowhza5383 Před 2 lety +8

    I was rooting for the fireclaw the entire time And Holy shit that finishing blow!

  • @kjdee140
    @kjdee140 Před 4 měsíci +1

    It’s like watching the climax of a movie where the lone warrior prevails against impossible odds down to his last leg.

  • @Kingsley4K
    @Kingsley4K Před 2 lety +4

    Dammmmn, those last two corrupters really put in some WORK though

  • @samos_sainz
    @samos_sainz Před 2 lety +4

    - Get up, get up!
    - The chair, use the chair!

  • @ScottHess
    @ScottHess Před 2 lety +3

    What bugs me is that if it were fighting me, it would be like "wide-angle flames, elbow drop, striding smack, smack, smack, here is a rock to eat, wide-angle flames", all in about 2 seconds. But when it's a bunch of corruptors, Big Boy Bear is just taking time to really enjoy the fight.

  • @Arkuz8248
    @Arkuz8248 Před 2 lety +22

    Can any machine beat the awesomeness that is the Fireclaw?!

  • @TimGaastra
    @TimGaastra Před 2 lety +6

    You know, you see something like this and you wonder if Hephaestus really had humans in mind when designing it. Time to load 'fully functioning Horus battle platform'

  • @Derpzilla-tw2ox
    @Derpzilla-tw2ox Před 2 lety +2

    Imagine a movie with fight sequences like this; nothing but monsters, fighting with every weapon they have, maybe some music, and nothing but a panning shot of the battle ground, no cuts between movements or to other characters

    • @yourcatscute7074
      @yourcatscute7074 Před 2 lety

      What is the game called?

    • @Derpzilla-tw2ox
      @Derpzilla-tw2ox Před 2 lety +1

      @@yourcatscute7074 Horizon Zero Dawn. I don’t play it myself, this kinda just popped up in my recommended, but still

  • @akhilunni
    @akhilunni Před 2 lety +2

    Hades : We have an army !
    Haphestus : Hold my beer.. We have a ..!

  • @Pheenie_Bruhh
    @Pheenie_Bruhh Před 4 měsíci +1

    I feel like those 2 at the end should have won they were putting in work. The one kept knocking it down and the other just hurled rocks at the fireclaw. I don’t know how i stumbled across this page but you should make more of these videos

  • @Knapweed
    @Knapweed Před 2 lety +51

    Wow! Makes me wonder how I ever managed to kill a Fireclaw. lol, good job! What program did you use?

  • @svagglaorde4387
    @svagglaorde4387 Před 2 lety +1

    After watching an old hyenas vs lion clip from Animal Planet, the YT algorithm sent me here.

  • @allanbullock4237
    @allanbullock4237 Před 2 lety +3

    20 corrupters nope. One fleshy human with a bow and arrow, yup.

  • @hristescu263
    @hristescu263 Před 2 lety +2

    So Elizabeth just needed some fireclaws to stop the Faro apocalipse

    • @martinbudinsky8912
      @martinbudinsky8912 Před 2 lety +1

      No? Since the swarm would asimilate them? Meaning she would actually make even more problems for herself.

  • @Atom.Storm.
    @Atom.Storm. Před 2 lety +8

    That was fucking epic!

  • @mizzrachii2229
    @mizzrachii2229 Před 2 lety +2

    I'd love to see a frost claw vs all these corruptors too ! This was a good fight fire claws are almost unstoppable

  • @rjbalbuena7789
    @rjbalbuena7789 Před 2 lety

    LMAO I love how that one Corruptor at 2:54 threw rocks like 'STFU!!' after the Fireclaw got angry

  • @makaiokalahama
    @makaiokalahama Před 2 lety +3

    These are incredibly satisfying to watch.

  • @Surge7-hs63k
    @Surge7-hs63k Před 2 lety +3

    The Fireclaw is amazing!

  • @ruchagoddessofpurgatory8513

    Hephaestus got tired of Hades' shit

  • @ChristopherPoynton
    @ChristopherPoynton Před 2 lety +8

    Cool battle. Isn't the corruptors main advantage it can take control of other machines like the fireclaw though?

    • @Henkibojj
      @Henkibojj Před 2 lety +7

      In the 2060 battles, yes. In gameplay though, we never fight a corruptor who has taken over/is taking over/can take over nearby machines. It's always either in Eclipse possession or is fighting alongside already corrupt machines. The only place where I can remember it corrupting machines is in the cutscene of Seeker At The Gates, and that's purely for the plot and mechanic explanation. It would be interesting to see if the gaming mechanism even has corruption included, by riding a strider all the way up to a corruptor to see if it gets overridden. I bet not.

    • @danksley
      @danksley Před 2 lety

      @@Henkibojj Presumably overridden machines can't be taken by scarabs ... so it'd need to be a virgin strider.

    • @Henkibojj
      @Henkibojj Před 2 lety

      @@danksley You can get chased by one into the battle with the scarab then, perhaps.

    • @natchu96
      @natchu96 Před 2 lety

      @@danksley The overrides themselves are performed using dismantled Scarab hacking components, so it kind of already has been taken over, I guess?

  • @pyrohonk3869
    @pyrohonk3869 Před 2 lety +17

    so 20 of the second easiest boss of the storyline cant defeat the hardest boss of the storyline? dam aloy gets powerful

    • @natchu96
      @natchu96 Před 2 lety +2

      Well these suckers ARE about a thousand years out of date on the tech side of things.
      Never mind the fact that an AI can probably research and develop much more rapidly than human engineers.

    • @wr5488
      @wr5488 Před 2 lety +2

      Yeah that's some impressive power creep lol. I think the final boss one is even stronger since it has Daemonic infection and the Cauldron powering it/healing it.

    • @DragonOfTheMortalKombat
      @DragonOfTheMortalKombat Před rokem

      Second easiest? Aren't they the easiest?

  • @tiromandal6399
    @tiromandal6399 Před 2 lety +1

    FUCKIN MASTERPIECE !!!!!!! And that smash at the last was hella satisfying!!

  • @Necrojack6848
    @Necrojack6848 Před rokem +2

    Fireclaws are my favourite machines

  • @RemovedBrain
    @RemovedBrain Před 2 lety +1

    Sent link to this video to my friend with comment "you will met him too".
    He had just started playing and that first corruptor was a "totally overpowered bastard". He said. :)

    • @kristiandahl1310
      @kristiandahl1310 Před 2 lety

      What makes that first corrupter fight hard, is no fire mods, limited area to manevuer plus that addition of the striders. Had to set up traps at the gate to take out the striders so I could focus fire the corrupter.

  • @TimMFWolfe
    @TimMFWolfe Před 2 lety

    This is like one of those movie boxing fights where the hero goes down and their buddy/coach/gf is pleading with them to get up as the ref counts down... and somehow they do, and find some reserve you thought was surely exhausted. High drama!

  • @jeffreyphipps1507
    @jeffreyphipps1507 Před 2 lety +1

    Fireclaw vs 20 DeathBringers.

  • @drewp.johnson9834
    @drewp.johnson9834 Před 2 lety +3

    SO COOOL!

  • @o0CASHBOY0o
    @o0CASHBOY0o Před 2 lety +8

    Yoo this shit is fucking 🔥 Just when I thought this game showed everything it had to offer

  • @lightupthedark632
    @lightupthedark632 Před 2 lety +2

    Epic battle. Respect for the Fireclaw!

  • @MonsterVerse_scientist-CnlDscr

    Cool how this is basically "first boss vs last boss"

  • @NoName-pd8pu
    @NoName-pd8pu Před 2 lety

    Now I want to see ThunderJaw vs Fireclaw/Stormbird

  • @zoiosilva
    @zoiosilva Před 2 lety +4

    Go Hephaestus!

  • @GreyBladeRover
    @GreyBladeRover Před 2 lety +1

    Is This What The Faro Plague Was Like For Enduring Victory…

  • @kevinhaynes9091
    @kevinhaynes9091 Před 2 lety +1

    Don't mess with Teddy...

  • @antsfinland2760
    @antsfinland2760 Před 2 lety

    Damn those last two really put up a fight

  • @yautjita-yt6985
    @yautjita-yt6985 Před 2 lety +1

    When fireclaw vs 5 death bringers

  • @hatchetscoured
    @hatchetscoured Před 2 lety +2

    Holy shit, can no one dethrone the fireclaw?!

  • @jimsmagnificentminiaturemo3235

    Your best one yet! Awesome! Fireclaw rules!

  • @ace_gamer12
    @ace_gamer12 Před 2 lety +1

    I'm starting to like these vids

  • @fl1ckr145
    @fl1ckr145 Před 2 lety

    To think humanity had to fight a thousands of those corrupters AND a Titan in a SINGLE battle. No wonder they lost

  • @joshuasterling2144
    @joshuasterling2144 Před 2 lety

    Firclaws are that thing boy, tanking shots with crazy offense.

  • @kongcarrot1728
    @kongcarrot1728 Před 2 lety +1

    holy shit, Hades have awakened the swarm

  • @ryanstephanus
    @ryanstephanus Před 2 lety +1

    WOW, its a real TANK monster

  • @ps4games164
    @ps4games164 Před 2 lety +1

    I bet on the corruptors. Despite its strength 20 is 20. And they are aggressive.

  • @who-ge1gu
    @who-ge1gu Před 2 lety +2

    This was better than most Marvel fight scenes.

  • @Shawn-yo5mv
    @Shawn-yo5mv Před 2 lety +1

    20 Curroptors? That's a bit much don't you thi...
    27 seconds into the video: 😳 I guess not

  • @PeladusMaximus
    @PeladusMaximus Před 2 lety

    One day Total War games will be like that.

  • @animatorgyerek
    @animatorgyerek Před 2 lety +3

    But if the "corrus" use their long range weapons maybe they could have defeated the teddy.

    • @vaishnav_mallya
      @vaishnav_mallya Před 2 lety +2

      Fireclaws aren't this easygoing in the game. They still didn't use many of their moves.

  • @aarontheamazing1985
    @aarontheamazing1985 Před 2 lety +1

    Pov: You failed the final boss and the fireclaws escaped.

  • @enzoscifo-fw1vt
    @enzoscifo-fw1vt Před 2 lety

    Your so big, and so strong, and so mighty

  • @samuelg6552
    @samuelg6552 Před 2 lety

    really shows that the irl game AI is not built to handle machine vs machine. If the corruptors just sat back and threw rocks while running away, they could probably take it down, not to mention if the coordinated their attacks. Cool fight anyway though! love the weather of choice!

  • @Gero141
    @Gero141 Před 2 lety

    Such Joyous Entertainment

  • @KevinAssalin
    @KevinAssalin Před 2 lety

    Next fireclawn vs 5 deathbringers

  • @markbade565
    @markbade565 Před 2 lety

    I guess we now know the answer to the 20 duck-sized horses thing...

  • @pietroferrari4279
    @pietroferrari4279 Před 2 lety

    last hit was something personal

  • @solanoguz
    @solanoguz Před 2 lety

    It's like watching a WWE wrestler.
    If you could edit this vid and ad an entrance theme, crowd reaction, the narrators. It would be awesome.

  • @eSKAone-
    @eSKAone- Před 2 lety +1

    Those monsters are so damn cool 💟

  • @themainman2827
    @themainman2827 Před 2 lety

    And still a single girl with a sharp stick could defeat him.

  • @baphometrag7751
    @baphometrag7751 Před 2 lety

    Fireclaw vs thunderjaw next

  • @jaibharatmaata
    @jaibharatmaata Před 7 měsíci +1

    Sir i want to ask a question its actually important....whenever i spawn any fireclaw from the cheatmenu, when the battle begins and fireclaw spots the enemy machine or human from far away it does some kind of action and after that the game crashes. everytime i saw him do that action the game crashed. None other machine crashes the game just like this fireclaw......have you experienced this..?, if you have faced it and you have any solution for this pleassssse reply in this comment....i would really appreciate that....

  • @Dragiot
    @Dragiot Před 2 lety +2

    Keep it up

  • @hern7213
    @hern7213 Před 2 lety +2

    What's that? The game I mean.

  • @Death_by_Inches
    @Death_by_Inches Před 2 lety +3

    This! This is what we need exclusive games on PC for. More of this and less of single digit IQ panty mods

  • @exoticmayhem8014
    @exoticmayhem8014 Před 2 lety +1

    I hope we more of this in forbidden west

  • @ramdanomar1291
    @ramdanomar1291 Před 2 lety

    fireclaw insane because he has various kind of attack...

  • @muathmanasrah311
    @muathmanasrah311 Před 2 lety +1

    how do you do this videos ?? can any one tell me ?

  • @mattsmith8160
    @mattsmith8160 Před 2 lety

    I have a gazzillion questions and they all start with the word How. How'd you set this up? How you control the camera with out having an actual player there? How? How? How was this done?

  • @Winter-The-Masquerade
    @Winter-The-Masquerade Před 2 lety

    You know, something I would like to see is a corrupted Thunderjaw vs. a Controlled Stormbird vs. a Hephaestus controlled Fireclaw vs. a Deathbringer. The most powerful Machines, (of Zero Dawn anyway) in an all out brawl. Whoever Wins it would be AMAZING!!!

    • @1ermejo4ever1
      @1ermejo4ever1 Před 2 lety

      the stormbird would most likely win. The fireclaw is the strongest machine but it has no attacks that can hit the stormbird up in the air (unless it lands or gets very close, which would be dumb on its part), which means it will focus on killing the thunderjaw and deathbringer. The deathbringer has ranged attacks but it cannot aim upwards, so it is basically in the same position as the fireclaw. Depending on how the 3 way melee ends the remaining duo will be the stormbird vs one of the 3 land robots. If the fireclaw or deathbringer is the one left the stormbird wins 100%, if the one left is the thunderjaw there 'might' be a very slim chance it wins since some of his attacks can technically reach upwards somewhat, but its such a onesided matchup that it will almost certain be a victory for the stormbird.
      The only way for it to actually lose is if it decides to do the air to ground melee attack and actually lands.
      If you think about it there is a very limited amount of attacks in zero dawn (outside of the player) that can actually threathen a stormbird.
      I think a corrupted rockbreaker on its own has a better chance at winning that those 3 machines combined, but the most likely result may be a draw with both of them losing sight of each other and de-aggroing

  • @mohammedasad5598
    @mohammedasad5598 Před 2 lety +1

    And then aloy comes and turn this champ to a joke 😂

  • @grovsey3656
    @grovsey3656 Před 2 lety +1

    What about fireclaw vs thunderjaw or rockbreaker?

  • @infamoswordz
    @infamoswordz Před 2 lety

    It's funny I have no idea what this is and the description says nothing either but it has an algorithm 🤔

  • @Bxm3i
    @Bxm3i Před 2 lety +2

    Aloy's the strongest

  • @Bo_Hazem
    @Bo_Hazem Před 2 lety +1

    This one so fucking epic!

  • @radithyasolahuddin3860

    I thought this was a scene from Forbidden West for a moment