Why Gasoline Powered Cars Are Obsolete - Jim Smith
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- Learn why EVs are more pleasant to drive, how their overall cost will beat out comparable gasoline cars, how ‘range anxiety’ can cease to be an issue, and more. EV evangelist Jim Smith is the owner of Golden Real Estate (GoldenRealEstate.com) and lets his brokers and clients try the firm’s Teslas and Volts: Driving is believing.
This was an event during the 2016 National Drive Electric Week. Before Jim’s talk attendees had opportunity for test drives in Chevy Volts, Teslas, Leafs, Prius Plugin, and a Smart EV and talk to the owners.
Jim Smith presented a shorter version of this talk on Sept 13, 2016 at Boulder CRES.
Once you drive an electric vehicle you will never go back to polluting gas or diesel.
Test drive a Tesla or go for a ride with someone that owns one. It will convince you that electric is just better.
Tony Seba does a great job of explaining why most people have already bought their last car.
Tony Seba leaves out social factors. Upper and middle class people spend their whole lives avoiding any contact with those who don't have their lives together. They don't want to live near them, go to school with them, shop with them, or socialize with them. They won't want to ride in shared vehicles that smell of vomit and booze and have suffered minor vandalism. But I do agree that electric vehicles will be dominant by 2025.
Robert Brandywine I hope you realize that, as with any service, there will be tiers.
@@macioluko9484 I hope so, but the government, the deep state, and the extreme Left constantly try to tear down these barriers.
No, he doesn't. Lots of ignorance in his talks. Lots of ideology instead of reality. Yes big changes are coming, but some Americans will have bought their last NEW gas car in the late 2020s. Half or more of the US population will still be buying used gas cars in 2030. He uses smartphones as a comparison, which is silly. Nokia phones from 2002 were a bigger revolution over land lines than EVs are over ICE vehicles. Transportation as a service, where people give up personal vehicle ownership is cool, but it's also fantasy outside of cities and close suburbs. More than half of Americans live in the exurbs of metros or outside metro areas entirely. In fact, with self-driving EVs further sprawl is even more likely. People don't care about or pay attention to costs only, the factor TaaS pivots around. So many other factors are ignored: laws, insurance, infrastructure, psychological factors. EVs will become mainstream this decade, but Tony goes too far and just his predictions from 2016 alone on price and range combined are already 5 years off. The earliest change we'll see will be delivery and shipping trucks.
@@EvilMonkey7818 Wow. Keep dreaming.
When he showed a diesel electric locomotive with 6 axles and stated it used 12 traction motors he was wrong it actually uses 1 traction motor per axle for a total of 6 traction motors. They were originally DC traction motors but with the introduction of the EMD SD70ACE locomotive uses AC traction eliminating brushes on the commutator a major expense on locomotive's requiring they be serviced every 30 days to replace worn out brushes. Now with AC traction they have extended the service interval to 90 to 180 days depending on the railroad.
I'm really glad we bought a Prius this year. It still burns some gas, but it's a start!
while i am a fan off EVs and currently own a Spark EV and Tesla model S (had a leaf before those two). There was a lot of false information in this video. (Examples: coolant systems do exist in EVs, maintenance likely far less than gas car still. EVs are likely to have far less non-start situations but it still is very possible. )
Speaker Jim Smith was great however the guy who kept interrupting tried my patience.
Sorry, I was that guy... and I was the one who got Jim Smith into Electric cars. He was calling me out to complement his words throughout the talk.
Why didn’t he just listen and asked during Q&A ... he annoyed other people
Steve Stevens I believe the Tesla only uses regen when the pedal is up. When hitting the brakes, the regen is only present by virtue of the throttle itself being unpressed (at least in the 3)
@@stevestevens9068 Fine, but we couldn't hear your half of the conversation. You should have had a mic.
@@stevestevens9068
"He was calling me out to complement his words throughout the talk."
Sure ---- but you still talked more than necessary....
Well Jim didn't get all the details right. But he isn't an automobile or train engeneer, so cut him some slack. I liked that he did some reasearch and tried to cover a wide range of issues. Overall he is correct, we are at a point where gas is on the way out and all electric is replacing it... which is his main point! Also he is correct that spending a lot on a gas car now is really shooting yourself in the foot for resale value later.
There is a lot in the comments about Tesla and if batteries are the future or some other tech. Really all that is beside the point and just shows that electric is the future no matter which company you buy from. Tesla is basically ahead of the competition at the moment so it makes for a good showcase, but also (still) makes expensive cars. The Nissan Leaf, (Chinese) BYD and (European) Renault Zoe are more affordable. It will be interesting to see the market mature as these new offerings come out internationally and the old-school companies play catch-up.
Boomers classic car collections are losing value like a old Harley leaks oil...maybe there coin collections will save there kids from debit demons.
I love that I got a transmission ad during this video from AAMCO that stated how many parts are in the transmission. Like a great add for an electric car... especially for a guy that had a transmission failure a few years ago.
I thought that was a real ad for a second. I mean it WAS a real ad, but he put it there on purpose. Sorry to hear about your tranny probs. I've driven a lot of miles in a lot of cars, and in my entire life I've only had one transmission give me real trouble. (mid-90's FoMoCo, of course). Automatic trannys, for all there complexity, are pretty trouble-free. If we're going to do parts counts, he should count the cells in the battery. There are thousands of them.
But electric cars are moving to transmissions too, for better performance, so we'll still have that complexity in higher end cars.
@@robertbrandywine After the embarrassing range of the Porsche Taycan, it seems traditional multispeed transmissions are more of a penalty than a benefit.
It wasn`t an advert, it was part of the video.
Induction charging highways would eliminate the need for large, costly batteries, lowering the cost and greatly increasing adoption of clean vehicles and would cost less than 1/8th of the money we spend on foreign-soil military bases.
Cameron Yes because most of those bases are in radical Islamic countries where they kill non-believers and apostate Muslims and members of the lGBT community yes Christians also have problems with the LGBT community but the Bible forbids killing members of the LGBT community.
ips-dc.org/events/conference-u-s-foreign-military-bases/
No most of them are not in radical Islamic countries
Cameron - clearly you FAILED science class, you cant Induction Recharge at highway speeds, only good for Stationary and even then Charges Slower than Level 2 (240v) charging, Superchargers get you extra 200 Miles of Range in 30 minutes. and you can Hyper FAST charge by ONLY charging to 80% at FULL SPEED then going to the NEXT supercharger. otherwise you have to wait for the FULL 30 minutes.
AND with Induction charging what will you do When it Rains or SNOWS ?
eh eh eh what?! how about running on water? NO, LOL
I 100% agree. My used Nissan Leaf cost me about $7,000 dollars, and gets 60 to 70 miles per charge. I think I got a great car for $7,000 dollars! Electric is the future!
Few people are willing to drive a vehicle with range less than 250 miles....in reality, not just on paper. And there are lots of reasons for that. Perhaps that will change when EVs can charge from empty to full inside 15 minutes.
Very informative video...many new things I didn’t know...
my grandpa did drive an electric truck in 1903 in Berlin Germany and then they did know the same energy to drive 1 petrol truck can drive 5 electric trucks
Great video. Very informative
Petro cars won’t be obsolete until charging stations are more common. The vast majority of people in the US live in suburbs or rural areas in the heart of the US, and there simply isn’t the EV support in many of those areas.
Sure, EVs can regenerate power going downhill, but it leaves out all the range lost in using AC/heat, stereos, and any other creature comforts... stuff that barely affects ICE vehicles (in fact, AC with the windows up gets better mpg at highway speeds).
Everything has ups and downsides.
When you buy an EV, you should invest in an electrician"s time to install a 240V 40 amp circuit. (ALMOST EVERYBODY already has electricity. Once that is done, you only have to plug in each night and in the morning drive out everyday with a full charge!
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If your EV is a Tesla, you have a nationwide network of ~1400 supercharger stations with nearly 12,000 superchargers when you drive outside your car's battery range. If you're thinking about buying an EV, consider the high speed charging infrastructure. Tesla is way ahead in that measue and will double that network in 2019
Not all homes have 40 maps to spare as the home we lease is like that. It would require an electrician and a few thousand dollars to install the new breaker box, increase the transformer size, wire in the home charger, and buy the home charger. Then the annoyance of trying to plug it in outside because the garage isn't large enough for modern cars. Oh, and trying to get permission from our landlord to even make the modifications in the first place.
Then we have the higher cost of a BEV because new and uses they are thousands more than ICE vehicles of similar class and trim. For that matter, my wife's 2011 Subaru Outback was 18,000 when we bought it and we have had no problems with it with minimal required maintenance. Above 15 mph the only sound you can hear is road noise and the radio, the engine is that quiet. There is no shaking or jiggling that people who hate all ICE vehicles say exist. Our range is 500 miles on a full tank and filled in five minutes.
No BEV will be in our possession, ever. They will always cost too much unless effectively too worn out to repair or replace key parts like drive motors and power packs. And touchscreens will be dead in those BEVs after a few years anyway.
BEVs like Teslas are rich fool follies that are owned by virtue signaling people with a desire to flaunt their wealth more than really wanting to save the planet. Seriously, if you can afford a Model S or X new or used or can currently afford to buy a Model 3 new, you are rich. Working people don't go around buying $50,000+ vehicles or buying battery driven toys with limited utility beyond being local city only cars.
I'm not going to make major plans ahead of time just so I can find charge points. I'm not going to wait over 30 minutes per charge stop to fuel up just to get only two or three hours down the road. BEVs are more of a greenie forced hindrance than a truly improved product to replace all ICE vehicles.
Great video !
Very Informative, Cool
A better solution will always win in the end.
Then why did VHS win over BetaMax?
@@incognitotorpedo42 VHS didn't win over Betamax. They were both the *better solution* for their market segments.
@Ian G Good point.
Ian G great to here someone who knows give an actual intelligent analysis instead of using the anecdote to uphold their confirmation bias
I have a Tesla Model 3 and have put 20,000 miles on it. It is several levels of magnitude better in every way!!!
Overall, this presentation is really helpful regarding the engineering of electric cars, but not perfect. As for the economic comments, they are ridiculous, especially when one starts honestly accounting for things like subsidies and externalities. I'm not saying other forms of transportation and energy are unsubsidized or do not suffer externalities. I'm just saying the incompleteness of his case for electric vehicles helps explain why the move from ICE to electric powered vehicles is going to take decades. This presentation is another contribution to the steep part of the hype phase of a new technology adoption curve.
Yeah, I agree. To be fair, it was posted over two years ago, and it's a pretty different world now. I'm not seeing this level of hype these days. People seem to be more realistic now, probably because there are so many EVs on the road now.
Clean grid energy is now cheaper *without* subsidies (remove them ALL!!).
As of 2015, oil and related fuels received subsidies totaling about 6.5% of GLOBAL GDP.
Let's remove that, give 1% to green energy, and see what *they* do with it?
By 2025 95% of all new cars sold will be electric. And anyone still stuck with an ice car will have to pay to get rid of it.
And by 2030 more then 80% of all energy used on the planet will come from pv's, and that includes energy that is now coming from fossil fuels like petrol and diesel.
Only airplanes and ships will probably still use fosil fuels.
This stuff is mobile phones, the internet, computers in general, tv adoption, switch from horse to car, digital photography, introduction of steam trains etc. All over again.
The moment these technologies hit a point where they became economically competitive it changed industries completely and achieved over 80% market penetration in a decade. because costs dropped so fast because of the explosion in demand and production.
And in all cases the prediction was that it would take many many decades to make the transition, in reality adoption went from 3% to 80% within one single decade.
Kodak, ibm, at&t, nokia and so so so many other huge industry giants missed the mark so completely that they where out of business within years because the industry changed so insanely fast. And in some cases like kodak and at&t they actually invented the technology that eventually put them out of business 2 decades later themselves.
And pv panels are just silicone chips basicly. We all know how fast those drop in price.
Technology never ever enables a smooth transition. It causes masive disruption every single time and every single time people kept saying it would take forever to get things and people to change.
It just does not happen that way, ever.
@@baronvonlimbourgh1716 Not going to happen that quickly if AOC were made dictator of the planet and threatened to put us all in gulags unless we complied. You think you're speaking of parallels, but you aren't. The jump from landline telephone to cheap Nokia phones with affordable plans was a bigger leap than ICE vehicles to EVs. People will still be buying gas cars after 2030, especially used ones. That's here in the US, let alone developing countries that don't have reliable electricity infrastructure (includes India, much of Africa, outside the major cities of South America).
The 80% energy from PVs by 2030 is where you've jumped the shark though. If you said 2050 for the USA I'd say maybe. The world a couple decades later.
@@EvilMonkey7818 why would you especialy buy a used gass car? Maintenance is much higher, running costs are much higher, taxes probably will be higher. While ev's can be run for nearly free and basicly last forever, especially if you have your own solar.
You will have to pay to get rid of ICE cars by 2030. Try buying a used ev now, prices have gone up over the last 5 years because there is so much demand. A 2013 leaf is now 40% more expensive then it was in 2016, even though it is 4 year older. If you bought one in 2016 you made money on it.
But the usa will probably be the last one to make the adoption.
Same goes for solar, why would developing countries go for fossil fuels at all and build very expensive grids that cost a fortune to maintain. Africa is not going to be investing in building a high capacity grid. They will skip it completely with small local grids maybe, powered by cheap solar and batteries.
China is moving full in on small, light and cheap ev's, and so will india and africa who will be buying them from china by the shipload.
Why invest in these hugely expensive infrastructures while a more cost effective and flexible option is available. Especially one that does not carry the same political bagage.
Panels cost very little nowdays, and the power they deliver has doubled over the last decade. and that trend is far from over.
The point is that these technologies are becomming affordable at the same time. And also at the moment that the last part of the world is at the point of going trough a huge development boom and will be adopting modern technology from the get go.
These developing countries will be the ones taking the forefront in this because it provides free energy and transportation. While the rest of the old world will refuse to say goodbye to the old technologies until it is taken from their cold dead hands lol.
I have that same lenovo laptop, but I'm a fan of 2000s ThinkPads
Bicycles, ebikes and escooters are great options for last mile, short distance travel.
Cities need to do more to encourage people to ride bicycles by providing safe, protected bike lanes and trails. Every adult and child should own a bicycle and ride it regularly. Bicycles are healthy exercise and fossil fuels free transportation. Electric bicycles are bringing many older adults back to cycling.
I note, though, that they run 4-way stop signs. Unless wiser decisions are made, electric bikes look to be set to kill stupid owners.
I see this EVERY DAY outside my house alone.
The cost of running of electrical car explained by this guy does not include the cost of replacement of battery, which is around 8000 NZD for nissan leaf after 8 to 10 Years. In a Gasoline Car, the whole system of supply of petrol would usually work after 8 to 10 years (for good quality japanese car) and cost less to replace. Therefore the calculation propoased by this guy is not complete.
You're right. FWIW, the Nissan Leaf does not have active cooling, and the battery life suffers because of that. Other modern EVs have active cooling systems and very good battery management. Actual data from high mileage Teslas suggests that battery life will be longer than ten years.
The main thing that you aren't thinking of though, is that the cost of batteries is going to go down SUBSTANTIALLY in the next 8 to 10 years, versus the price of gasoline which is going to stagnate (in a perfect world), or (more likely) increase. You will spend more on Gas than you would on the battery plus the electricity to power it (which most cities (at least in North America) have at least one place within 10 KM with a free charging station, so you don't even need to pay for the charging) in 8 years time, easily. Never mind the other costs of upkeep such as oil changes, strut replacements, spark plugs and wiring to go with it, tranny fluid, radiator fluid, and so on. So, no. I think you're vastly overestimating how much money it will cost you versus how much you are paying now.
Battery cost is 50% of what it was at the time of this presentation and will be 60% of today's price in 4 years. There's also the prospect of solid state batteries which will be even cheaper and will never wear out.
Old batteries won't be completely useless, they will have value in static storage (already planned). Opportunity for refunds there!!?
What's your fuel cost/ mileage?
$8? 9000/year (low)? 30 mpg?
8 Years?
300 gallons X $8 X 8 years is $19,200.
So even if the battery does need replacing at today's prices assuming the EV power is half the price of an ice car, (Easy) you're still in front.
Allow for the fact it probably won't need replacing as soon, fuel prices *will* increase and battery prices will be maximum 60% of where they are...... Big savings!
If you understand how many stationary bicycles exist in homes, merely adding an electric motor, which, if turned by pedals, becomes a generator, can add to the energy stored in home batteries - Tesla Powerwalls are no longer the only home batteries.
I have a Toyota Prius, and we really love it, but I kind of wish we'd gotten a Volt instead. Our neighbor just bought anew jeep and Chevy, and I'll bet my used Prius will outlast both of them.
America is always way behind other countries. I think it's mostly because of big oil and political corruption. Isn't it nice to be last?
Our ICE SUV, an older car, blew the transmission. It cost four grand to fix it!
That won't happen to an EV
Very good video, Jim.
So. I wonder how long before government impose taxes on electrical cars and electricity people will use when charging.
Some areas are already taxing the cars more.
As to the power, if you charge at home, how do they meter your specific use?
Then there's the possibility of vehicle to grid (vehicle to home) which can effectively remove the EV owners home from the grid at peak (expensive) times, then use cheap off peak power to recharge the car overnight.
Thus will actually SAVE the cost of building very expensive, hardly used infrastructure.
It could offset any "tax" on the vehicle.
@@rogerstarkey5390 maybe tax per mile?
@Rick Deegan
In the absence of evidence to the contrary.......
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Again, government EXISTS to give citizens benefits and prevent violence and corruption.
While it is up to YOU to keep those employed in govt.honest,
without government you would just have morons shooting,
and NO roads or transport.,
or food, in most places.
The electric motor is 90% efficient. Bu the electric car could not be 90% efficient. Because there is loss in electricity transmission, loss in charging of battery, and loss in the inverter (to convert from DC to AC). Therefore, the efficiency is around 60%. Thanks
They are better than ICE which is about 20-30% efficient. Also less servicing and fuel (electricity) cost over life of vehicle.
OK, so if you're adding transmission losses to the EV calculation, you must do the same for the ICE vehicle, considering the (huge) inefficiency of extraction, transport, refinement, secondary transport.
Then the added inefficiency of the multi stage/ multi speed transmission.
It just increases the gap.
Safety is a big one. Electric cars are so much safer and can be because of their architecture. No matter what you do, a gas car can not be as safe due to what is contained within. GM now has their safest car they have ever made. It is the Bolt, fully electric. Watch this: czcams.com/video/9_Abd7EiSBs/video.html
Plugging in to a 110 volt circuit is not necessarily “stupid.” If you drive less than 50 miles/day (most folks’ local drive miles) an overnight charge at 110V is sufficient.
Most people i have talked to eventually agree the electric vesicles should have one motor per wheel.
The only problem with that would be unsprung weight.
In Europe we have the Renault Zoe as the cheapest 5 seater electric car
Looks like gas cars will be fated to be a historical piece for a future counterpart of Jay Leno in 30 to 50 year's time.
Forgot head gasket...but then they put junk in on purpose from factory
putheflamesou Or the nightmare that is the cat/emissions
I guess most of the big companies stopped designing new gas engines since some time but they won't tell for a while.
Hakan Toptas - Well, you guessed wrong. Please research Mazda's new Skyactiv-X gasoline engine technology.
@@brucebeverly2629 One of the German carmakers, VW I think, recently talked about their ICE development. They are in fact starting to phase it out.
@@incognitotorpedo42 - In reality, VW was forced to lay off 30,000 workers due to the "Dieselgate Scandal" of 2015 (illegal ECU software designed to circumvent emissions standards tests). Then, in January 2018 the "Monkeygate Scandal" revealed that VW had used monkeys as test subjects to "prove" that diesel exhaust was not harmful to primates. The global economic fallout to VW from all of this was staggering by any measure. Yes, VW has hired 9,000 workers in association with electric car development. Overall though, I don't know how anyone could trust such a morally compromised company enough to buy one of their vehicles or believe any of their press releases about future R&D (or anything else).
I was invited to the Manzanillo, Colima, México taxi driver's union meeting on Sunday 2/25/18 to propose the idea of the union and people of Manzanillo nominating the driver that is the best person and most in need of help, then we would launch a fundraiser with the goal of gifting enough solar panels on their home to make their home net zero consumption, with a handful more panels to charge the other part of the gift, an electric car. This way, the driver gains free solar electricity for their home, a free vehicle, and the extra solar panels will act as their own green fueling station as well, to be a great example of the near future of solar power and electric vehicles here in Manzanillo. If anyone wants to participate, let me know.
sanjuansteve Mexico needs a lot more than that
Everybody steals from everybody in Mexico. You put anything of value on your roof in the afternoon, and by morning it will be gone. Simple as that.
FUEL TAX!!! THEY`RE NOT GOING TO SAY GOODBYE TO IT!!!
Dude, you probably think roads are free. Someone has to pay for them.
They'll just raise the taxes on electricity. They'll probably have a base rate per home and assume anything used more than that will be for your electric car.
@@robertbrandywine Not if you have solar panel and generate your own electricity
@@robertbrandywine So you install solar panels and cut them out completely
@@garyfromlondon The government will always find a way to get tax money. If you install solar panels they'll probably just put a large VAT on them..
Couple of inaccuracies in this lecture. Diesel Locomotives were at one time not powered by traction motors. See these links en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel_locomotive czcams.com/video/JlRo9qQBxk8/video.html&app=desktop. Also although Aluminum doesn't rust it does corrode. And the idea a car crusher can't crush a Tesla is pretty absurd. It did break a testing machine during an independent validation of its government crash-test scores. But that's a lot different then breaking a car crusher.
right up until you start to have huge price increases for electric. What is going to happen once mass demand outstrips output on electricity?
R FP Output will increase..... natural gas and solar are dirt cheap. Nuclear is dirt cheap.
I like to also tell how the battery electric starter made gas much more popular and electrics started to decline. I call those gas cars nano hybrids. Very little electric.
Today's batteries are getting better at an insanely fast rate. Tesla is the best.
Since there still is no UL certification for EVs, and verified concerns about dangers to people with thoracic implants (like sternal wires), EVs have more than a few 'killers' waiting in the wings, that ICEVs don't have.
And, unlike gas cars, EVs DO become obsolete with new charging and battery tech. Gas cars can use gas that was created today just as easily as they could with fuels that were made when they were new.
The issue of interaction with EVs is being studied: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6365808/
The way you put it sounds like fear mongering.
As for obsolescence that remains to be seen as electronics in chargers can be made to be backward compatible using software. At some point if way superior charging hardware and protocols are developed standardization will follow.
One final point-electric vehicles are stil seriously range limited-and it takes a hell of a lot longer to recharge a battery than to fill a gas tank. And that’s not going to change significantly in the foreseeable future.
It takes "a hell of a lot longer" to drive to a gas station and fill a tank than to unplug an already "full" EV when leaving home.
Since the vast majority of daily miles driven don't exceed the range of appropriate EV's ( *including* the USA) EV's *do* suit the needs of the *majority* of drivers.
They are not talking about sunk cost. Once a person already owns a car that lasts 20 years it's still cheaper to own an ICE vehicle, assuming you don't drive too much.
Parture
Simply not true.
If you actually compare the like for like full life cost of an EV to an ICE car, the EV running cost will reduce throughout its life, the ICE cost will increase due to required servicing, wear and tear of the drivetrain and increasing fuel costs.
I don't need to buy a new car for 20 years with my ICE vehicle, so that is a sunk cost whereas buying a new electric vehicle is $30,000 a cost I can avoid. Even though the EV will save in every metric it does not save on the most important one which is sunk cost.
but you will eventually need to replace it.
Eventually
The cheapest source of energy on the planet are solar panels and windmills.
To us the vast majority little guys what matter is how much I'm gonna spend for real. I live in Japan and I've never paid more than 500 US bucks for cars. As a matter of fact the one I'm driving now I got for free because the former owner was about to dump it (a 2007 Suzuki Swift.) I pay around 350 US bucks in tax, around 600 US bucks every other couple of years in mandatory inspection and around 300 bucks annually in insurance. Plus I fill up once a month (around 40 bucks) so I spend around 1400 bucks yearly total. I didn't spend a penny more in any maintenance. If I can get a EV for less I'm all for it. Big or small picture it's as simple as that.
Wait for gas prices to increase!
@Rick Deegan
That's a dilemma for both the oil companies and retailers, isn't it?
Can the oil companies make a sustained profit?
Can the retailers make any?
If not, it won't last long.
Will governments add tax?
Oil smells funny :)
Front wheel drive is driving the front wheels, so have no drive axial to the back.
Land lines are obsolete, but lots of people still have them. Anyhow, There will be a real shift when it's not like going from VHS to DVD, but from physical media to streaming. People will stop owning cars, just subscribe to a Johny Cab service, like a gym membership or streaming service.
Horses are also obsolete, but plenty of people still ride them. Not most of us though.
Cab services have been around for decades, all you had to do was call one. Now there is ride sharing; yet people still own cars. How can even ALOT of cab services possibly provide rides for everyone, everywhere they want to go, when they want to go? People will continue to own personal vehicles.
@@sb-nl6ge How? Autonomous vehicles. Say you have 400,000 getting off work in a large city. Instead of ~400,000 vehicles used to drive home, you'd have approximately 80,000 autonomous 5-seater vans owned by Uber, Lyft, Alphabet, Chevy, Ford, Volvo, etc.
@@Ou8y2k2 Do you still ride the bus home from school? If no, then why not?
@@sb-nl6ge Out of school, but if my car won't start I'm taking the bus, car sharing or ride sharing.
its been decades and decades oil and car companies try to slow the development of EV but this time we have internet and Elon, most conflict around the world cause by oil let it DIE already...
It's not true that you burn gas going down hill. Modern engine doesn't feed fuel into the engine when it's detect it's not on load. Check out the mpg meter when going down hill.
It's a waste thought that you using gas going up hill and then brakes to reduce speed down hill. Whereas EV in this instance will recover ( most) of the kinetic energy back into the batteries.
To be honest, I can't understand why the electric motor wasn't utilised for automotive transmission decades ago, it is perfect for the job.
However it falls down after that point. For a start Tesla are the Apple of car makers and I bet my wife's dog they'll force obsolescence long before 50 years. I hope they go bust first, but if not other manufacturers will start imitating them, empowering them to bring lifespan down to that of an iPhone. There'll be software updates that'll detect aftermarket parts and immobilise it, it'll be unsupported and service refused in 5 years, then try buying a $1,000 battery from China and it'll be seized by US Customs as counterfeit. I could go on, but they're not worth the effort.
I've owned loads of Range Rovers and sadly Aluminium does corrode where it comes into contact with steel, salt water and many other things. The only way you're likely to get a corrosion resistant car, is to carefully build it yourself, ensuring physical separation of the aluminium from steel and carefully applying many layers of body protection.
Batteries? It all looks convincing but is it what it seems? I remember seeing the Californian liberals with their Prius parked proudly on the front driveway, when they leave the house they head for the garage and drive past the Prius in their Mercedes and the Prius was self sufficient. I don't know, I can't see it working out until both the electric motor is adequately sized and supercapacitor development has progressed to the point where they can provide a few hundred miles of range, a few minutes of charge time, low self discharge and a lifespan measured in decades with a few hundred $ replacement cost. Regenerative braking is awesome (my drone has regenerative braking). But ideally for better efficiency it needs an engine (that felt good to say) probably the most suitable being a low temperature closed cycle gas turbine to generate electricity from waste motor, battery, CPU, ESC, inverters, waste cabin heat (think how many kilowatts of power you need to air condition a car after it's been parked in the summer sun) etc. etc. Pull that off and I'll be almost impressed.
The at home solar generation concerns me too. I have 4KW of panels on my roof. Here in Scotland on a clear blue summer sky I generate 3,500W. With a little white fluffy reflective cloud I often generate 4,200W. At midday on a dark, rainy, somewhat typical winters day I only generate 350W. Even on an average summers day, 3,800W can plummet to 1,200W when a cloud passes in front of the sun. In short, the vast majority of my power comes from the power station.
I have a solar panel on my RV roof too, which'll power the TV for half an hour, after that it's time to turn on the trusty generator. I can't see engines becoming obsolete anytime this century, possibly internal combustion engines, but we'll still need external combustion engines some'll be powered by gas (we call it petrol), some LPG/LNG, some diesel, some firewood/woodchips/ethanol/coconut shells, some thorium reactors, some geothermal and some solar.
Personally I wouldn't count anything out yet and unless you really want to buy one now, I'd wait. The electric motor is a safe bet, but I think there is far better to come and Tesla could easily be a rerun of the EVs of this time last century.
It really isn't going to matter really. The moment 1 country legalises autonomous cars (and china is on track to do it in 2020) 80% of car manufacturers will be out of business within 5 years.
Car ownership is history, they will become what horses have become. Expensive toys to drive on a track.
When ev and autonomous collide it will explode the transport as a service industry. Things like uber etc.
Cost per mile will drop by a factor of 10 or more compared with ownership and corresponding costs like depreciation, insurance, parking and either interest on or missed capital gains from the money used to buy a car.
I mean if your car becomes just another taxi why have a car at all if taxis are driving around everywhere all day that can take you anywhere. Cars are only used 4% of the time. The rest of the time they are just standing around depreciating day after day after day.
If you have to spend 30 or 40k for and on a car over a number of years to own it just so it can drive you around or you can just take a 100 bucks a month subscription to a taxi service to drive you around without hassle, what do you think the vast majority of people will do...
Everything is becoming a service and because of the savings it offers transportation will be next big thing to become a service based industry.
And solar with storage is becoming so cheap now that we will simply solve that issue with overproduction and storage. When that over production is not nesesary it can be used for other stuff since it is so cheap. Things like water desalination could easily be used as a back up revenu stream. Or hydrogen production etc.
In LA a solar farm is being build that includes pv AND storage and the electricity comming from it is offered at 3.1 cents per kwh.
1,9 cents for the storage and 2.2 cents for the pv panels.
And pure solar farms without storage are now build with contracts that will deliver power at 1.9 cents a kwh for 30 years.
For profit without subsedies.
80% of the worlds energy (including what is now diesel and petrol) will be provided by pv panels by 2030 and it will the cheapest power in human history.
This is the microchip and the internet all over again, it will change everything and it will do it within a decade.
Can't buy one, don't have money, will rot in hell before I ever borrow a dime again.
I feel sorry for you that you can't afford a car, I hope your situation improves soon
i am not seeing it. 4 years have passed and the road is still full of gasoline vehicles.
Lots of ideology surrounding this subject. I remember plenty of predictions in health and medicine from when I was a teen in the 90s that are still decades away. EVs will take off in new purchases only after they reach price parity with gas vehicles, while still having similar range AND they can fully recharge within ~15 minutes. Early adopters assume everyone thinks just like they do and have the same compatible lifestyle.
mike lanford
There are a lot more Electric vehicles on the road now, It's just that it's not always obvious they are electric.
Admittedly The number is still relatively small compared to Ice cars.
The main reason for that is there's not enough manufacturing capacity to make them in the high enough volume yet.
There is massive demand for electric cars, and lots of companies are starting to bring out lots of new electric models, or ramping up existing production.
The other reason is, people are not going to just dump their existing car, especially if it's only a few years old.
But when their car gets to say 20 years old, and possibly starting to look a lot worse for wear, and starting to cost a lot of money in maintainance.
Then they will consider getting an electric one when they buy a new one, especially considering, it's actually cheaper now to buy and run an electric over it's life time, than it is an Ice car
thanks, i am gambling on nio a small Chines electric car company (china tesla). i hope your right. with that said i will never own one.
When using EVs the only things to lose are pollution and noise.
Why doesn't the guy in the public shut up!
Because he's the mentor of the speaker.
Although it is true that MOST people would benefit from driving an electric car nowadays (especially after Biden artificially increased the price of gas by cancelling over 4,000 oil and gas leases back in Jan 2021), it’s not quite practical. If everyone switched at the same time, it would absolutely crash the electric grid. The widespread adoption of EV’s must be done in an measured approach that allows the electric grid to keep up with the extra demand. Xcel Energy is doing a great job transitioning to clean energy, shutting down their coal fired plants and retraining the workers for large scale wind/solar. Xcel is currently ahead of schedule to reduce CO2 emissions 80% by 2030, and to reach net zero emissions by 2050. The real problem is energy storage. Colorado is going to need more than just pumped hydro storage.
Watch on utube - Light Rider operation Paul Revere
Switch the 6-50watt glass panels to 6-18 100watt flex panels and the 500watt motor for a 1000/1500watt motor.
Mobile Solar
Low cost - $5000
Transportation, domestic power.
Easy to array multiple machines.
Design them to be job specific.
not as many jobs, not living the same way. Oil like everything, all lies. We have a Age of nothingness starring at us after disruption shakes us.
How does one stay warm in the winter time while driving an electric car? Resistance heat? That will cut your range in half. Heat pumps are only effective down to about freezing. What do you do in a cold climate?
Digital cameras revolutionized photography as is EV technology changing transportation products. All trucks, which are used more than cars, should be electric.
GM had the EV1 and crushed it in just a few years, when they realized they don't need to FIX it. All the ICE car makers make profits on car servicing. KODAK invented the Digital Camera , but KODAK did NOT understand what they built. Today Canon, Nikon, Fujifilm among others that Dominate the DC Market. KODAK today is irrevelent and soon GM, Ford, Chrystler will ALSO be irrevelent.
about the same timeframe s the EV1 , GM made the Chevy S-10 Electric truck and Ford Ranger EV. both were failures. according to GM/Ford.
That's not a (black) mercedes.. it's a fiat 500. You will only get explosion if you get the fuel & oxygen ratio right and light it. Otherwise it's just a fire - still dangerous though.
I'm willing to bet Lemmie Fugue (who bares a striking resemblance to the currently unimpeached President) will be driving an electric Hyundai Ioniq within a couple of years.
Sorry Lemmie. Didn't mean to misspell your last name. It should be Fuque.
Also, whereas electric vehicles are inherently more efficient than gas vehicles, they simply remove the burning of fossil fuels to an external location since the bulk of our electrical supply comes from burning hydrocarbon fuels-mostly coal, the dirtiest type.
"mostly coal"
Do you stand by that? (You're wrong)
dont get old electric car unless it's a tesla as the other companies batteries are poorly managed for life expectancy
One gasoline car has the SAME environmental impact as 350 EVs!!!!!
Gasoline cars are the new Blockbuster or Blackberries or Vinyl records or analog cameras!!!!
Can you rent an electric car in Europe yet? Gas prices over there are around $6.00 a gallon.
yes you can rent electric as well as buy them and in the UK the gas is the equivalent of about $8 a gallon ......... so makes sense to to go to electric
IT WOULD BE GOOD TO REDO THIS in consideration of Model v3
Hate to inform you but that aluminum frame and body ain't going to hold up like you think. Aluminum will fatigue and develop stress cracks just like airplanes do only quicker. At which point they will become weak and will shred like a beer can if you get in a collision.
Regenerative braking is the motor stopping you and unless you have a bank of super capacitors to collect that electricity that regenerative braking generates it is dumped because the batteries can't collect it. Attempting to send that much charge to the battery will over heat the batteries and destroy them. All electric motors are regenerative but most car companies that make electric cars don't bother to try and collect that "free" electricity because it shortens the life of the batteries from 7 years to less then 2 years.
Tesla just acquired Maxwell Capacitors so they can incorporate them in the new cars and charging stations. Maxwell also has some patents on improved battery design that they claim will cut the size of the batteries in half. That is yet to be seen. With these latest innovations electric cars may be some what viable for those living in a large city.
If you think electric cars can't burn then you don't know much about electricity or lithium batteries for that matter. Especially aging lithium batteries that short internally and explode and burn hotter than gasoline.
One thing people don't consider when talking about converting to all electric cars is the fact that there isn't enough copper on the planet to produce the motors required to power all of those cars nor enough lithium to make the batteries for them.It's all pretty on paper but not so much in practice. Electric cars definitely have their strong points but as of now they still have to many limitations to be a truly viable replacement for the internal combustion motor.
Jack A. Lope well, probably true, jack. However, battery technology is still in a toddler stage of development. Wait and see what comes next. Solid state, maybe?
Regenerative braking is the same in all electrics, the friction brakes are not used its the resistance or drag on the motor when it reverts to generator status to push electricity back into the batteries. This slows the car and happens every time the accelerator is relaxed or released.Some models have steering wheel paddles that "increase" the effect for more flexibility. Most all use the initial pressure on the brake pedal as well to trigger this before the friction brakes activate.
D Gatewood
It's magnetically induced "drag", not the motor itself. Electric motors don't have either the mass or friction to induce braking.
TESLA model S uses the Electric motors as Generators its NOT mechanical resistance.
I hope everyone buys electric cars.. share today videos like this to educate
I agree!
I have a sneaking suspicion that this video isn’t 100% true. Today is gasoline cars ; including 1980s cars ; are more than 90% efficient simply based on the technology advancement since the 1920s and earlier deficiency that he’s talking about is from the 1800s cars like Mercedes Benz Patent motor wagon that was true then, but not now.
Yes, there is a slight chance I might be wrong ,but I do not think so.
As for solar panels, they still have the major problem of their chemicals not able to be recycled . And, no one has figured out a way to counteract that yet.
Gas = about 35% efficient. If only it were 90%!
Notice an ongoing argument between two people. We don’t need to persuade people to believe in primary energy, battery tech, ownership benefits or even Urban autonomous mobility, you’ll only be met with intransigence and possibly aggression. The tech will polarise society between those that care and those that don’t, while commerce will make the case for change and people will vote with their pockets. But there will be a place for ICE on tracks and events and possibly road events etc, all perfectly allowable thanks to the 99% emission improvements made by us all collectively.
Screw you Jeff, my backward as shit, but utterly original Post Apocalyptic vision of a world running low on gas and me and my militia buddies fighting for fossil fuels and scarce resources like Mad Max, will not be denied. You sound like a Commie to me Geoff! What, next you'll want me to share my fallout bunker and my stash of canned food with blacks and some Mexican hunchback called "Pedro."
SMC01ful -- I do find that fantasy of everlasting petroleum in sandy places with 20 hours per day of sunlight truly entertaining in their complete lack of legitimacy.
I thought E.Vs were 60% efficient, 90% is amazing!
+Mr Thorneycroft Perhaps you were thinking of automotive hydrogen fuel cells which are around 60% efficient, however that is just the fuel cell, the electric drive train that it provides power for has its own inefficiencies so maybe the whole car would be around 50%. More than twice as efficient as a gasoline powered car but far short of a pure battery electric vehicle's efficiency.
I wonder how much energy is lost storing the energy in the battery.
Electric cars are 60-85% efficient, this is BEV. And the loss is heat. That isnt used here, that is energy that is just lost.
An industry electric motor is 90-96% efficient, that is because they work at set parameters. BEV's have variable working conditions.
even the best ICE cars are only 30% efficient and same goes for Hydrogen when you factor in Storage and Transport , its only 30% efficient just like an ICE car. BEV are 90% Efficient and if you live in Mountanious or hilly areas , your BEV effeiciency could be over 100% due to REGEN braking.
Hydrogen is new tech or FCEV's. BEV is not. It have had 100 years of development like ICE cars. Huge difference.
BEV's is actually only 60% efficient and most of it goes up in heat loss. In perfect conditions the BEV can reach 85% tops, and driving on a road never delivers perfect conditions.
Like is it windy, raining, hot or cold temperature, snowing, quality or drag of the asphalt, tires, weight, functions on or off etc etc.
Snow or rain reduces range massive, well reduces efficiency, something as normal as weather picks the most efficient as we are told is so good, to the point of a diesel engine that actually is 50% efficient.
So if you drive against the wind, in snow and its snowing at cold temperatures, you need to stop more often to charge, compared to ICE, that will burn a tiny bit more, but nothing massive as it is for the electric.<
This is just simple facts, already tested and well known.
So is electric cars the future, at current state? NO. Will ilI buy a other to replace my gas car, hell no, i want to go places more than grocery stores and barely work. And i also dont want to plan month ahead for tiny trips, but just jump into the car and drive where i want with no planing or meaning. You cant do that with a BEV as today.
God dammit you even need to follow the weather so you dont do long trips on a rainy windy or cold day.
Absolutely incorrect title!
Gasoline powered cars are NOT obsolete, the ICE is, and has been actually since its inception due to limitations of its efficiency!
It is true the electric powered train is the most efficient way of converting electricity to mechanical movement, but that does not imply that the power generation should happen remotely in a power plant. The truly efficient electrical cars need only 1/4 - 1/6 of the batters they currently have as the power generation must happen onboard via an efficient thermodynamic transformer in a close system where ALL of the heat is being used for electricity generation. In such design a gasoline ( or for that manner a wood) powered car can travel 3-4x the distance it currently travel (even without energy recovery form the regenerating breaks ), just because the heat is being used for electricity generation on board and not being wasted as in an ICE.
FUD abounds in the comments. 🙁
Someone in the public had to shut up.
Should really get someone who has a technical background to do talks like this.
I agree with his message and most of what he says is true but the devil is in the details. And there are quite a few details that had errors in them.
But yeah, for the rest i guess it probably was informative enough for the target audience.
Coolant system is not "never". It's every 5 years: half of what regular ICE needs.
EVs don't need a propaganda video (that was really a Tesla propaganda video) from a guy that didn't know aluminium is not (usually) magnetic. Or got myriad of other facts incorrect. EV adoption will come on mass when it benefits out weigh it flaws.
Would you point out which facts were incorrect? You said there were a "myriad".
When you dont know that aluminium corrode, barely know engine parts, and he dont change parts on his EV, and can change batteries and DU in minutes. Well thats a lie. It takes actually alot of work. Rick Rebuilds can show you that changing a batteri is not done in minutes. Csn tell you changing it on a Leaf is not done in 1 2 3 either. Engine, well not a easy job that as well.
The benefits of EV's outweigh its flaws since the car was invented. Period!
If I could have a car that could run a mile range without having to make some dictatorship in the Middle East rich it would be worth it just for that.
What flaws are ou touting?
Take a look at these websites www.pluginamerica.org, www.electricauto.org, electrek.co, plugshare.com. All brand neutral. Not Tesla propaganda.
As long as gasoline prices remain low, there will be little to no incentive to switch to electric cars.
Even if gas prices remain low, EV's are half the price to run (today) and that will only improve.
@@rogerstarkey5390 That's true, considering that there are fewer maintenance costs.
@@jolyonwelsh9834
Yes.
There is one big problem with this video.
The narrator seems to confuse 'electric vehicle' with 'Tesla'.
Yes the Tesla is electric, but it is an EXTREMELY high end electric. Teslas are so far ahead of the others, they are practically the power of a Ferrari but with a full petrol tanker of fuel magically towed behind with zero effort.
They are also ridiculously expensive, only really bankers, salesmen, CEOs and office workers can afford them.
A regular everyday EV is totally different. Range is around 100mi as opposed to the 300+ of a Tesla. Assuming I home charge, the battery will just about get me to work and back. I cant use the car for anything else, as the commute will have sapped the battery almost dry and I will need it fully charged for the next day, meaning I couldnt even drive to the supermarket for food (by the time I get home and charge the car with enough juice to get to the shop and back, the shops will be shut).
'Superchargers', or indeed any public chargers, may look good in city centres and across major highways, but for the other 99.9999% of the country, they are unheard of. I know of one about 5 miles from where I live, but its across a route that is heavily congested in rush hour, and is in the opposite direction from my commute - far easier to just charge at home. At work (the destination of my commute), the nearest charger is 55 miles away, which when you only have 50 miles of battery is pretty useless.
If you really live 40+ miles form work, you need to consider moving and you only represent 12% of the population. My girlfriend commutes 18 miles driving half-way across the Phoenix metro area, not even using half of the charge in he Soul EV after taking her son to archery class and shopping at the end of the day. As far as being expensive, you are just all wrong. She paid 26k for her Soul EV and after 100k miles she will have saved 11k on the total cost of ownership as compared to the gasoline powered Soul. There are level 2 chargers all over the city, many are free, and when the battery is lower than 50%, it fills very fast adding 3 miles of driving in 1 min. Adding 30 miles, starting the charging at 25% or less, would take 10 min! I would hope you can get to the store and back in less than 30 miles. In short, while you might not be a great candidate for an electric car, 90% of the population is, and you should consider making your self one.
'If you really live 40+ miles form work, you need to consider moving and you only represent 12% of the population.'
Firstly, that 12% is the 12% that drive about 99.5% of all the car and motorbike (not van/truck/lorry) miles driven in the developed world. You cant just ignore them, and if electric cars are going to take off they NEED to cater to them. Plus the other 78% also may want to go on holiday or to visit relatives that live far away...
Secondly, the vast majority of people do not have the option of moving. Moving is horrendously expensive and out of a lot of most peoples budget, if you rent from the council/city it is THEY that chose where you live not the other way round, to get housing benefit you have to show a family link to the area you want to rent in, if you have children you need to live close to family if you want them to look after the kids when you are at work,... For me the reason is a lot simpler - my partner earns twice what I do (works within walking distance) and dosn't drive. If we move, our income will drop to a third.
Thirdly, companies everywhere are moving operations closer and closer and closer to city centres, closing down offices and factories away from the major hubs and moving all their operations to expanding 'central' units, preferring one big unit to five smaller ones. Hospitals, police, and other municipal facilities are doing the same, 20 years ago every little town had a hospital with a maternity ward, nowadays its a 40 mile drive to the nearest 'superhospital' with maternity facilities. This is only going to get worse, many think within another 20 years the 'superhospitals' will all close and it will be a 60 mile drive to a 'super-super' hospital, even more jobs will relocate to the city centres, etc.
While this is happening, the opposite is happening to people. Rising housing costs, and investors buying out more and more city centre property, and people are having to live further and further away from the cities. The result - they need to drive further, and in the coming years will have to drive even further.
"Firstly, that 12% is the 12% that drive about 99.5% of all the car and motorbike (not van/truck/lorry) miles driven in the developed world"...that is made up BS. The number you are looking for is about 32% and this very statement is admitting that it is not that 12%, but the van/truck/lorry market that the EV industry needs to cater to. Approximately 86% of the van/truck/lorry market drives less than 100 miles a day, as does 88% of the driving public. That 12% of the driving public and the long-haul trucking industry can most certainly be ignored for now and as we have seen, the long haul trucking will be addressed long before people like you.
Also, even in your extreme minority situation, an affordable electric car would work for your daily commute and accommodate you shopping/errands. The 2013+ Leaf, the Kia Soul, i3, Focus, and most certainly the IONIQ and Bolt would meet your needs for far less than the combined fuel/maintenance/purchase costs of all but the cheapest gasoline powered car. Charging at public charging stations is something you only really do in a pinch. The vast majority of the time you charge at home just like you do with your cell phone. If you truly “sapped the battery almost dry” getting back and forth to work and you didn’t even have the few miles you needed to get to the store, it would take less than 15 min to get 15 miles of driving into the battery at home before you headed back out to the store.
The one thing I would definitely back you on is that we need to get more charging stations available to the public at places we already spend time. I believe the first grocery store chain that embraces electric vehicle chargers will be very popular. It is a chicken-egg issue. We need more charging stations which will be built when more people buy electric cars and use them which people will buy when there are more electric charging stations for them to charge at.
Your entire equation is complexity wrong as there is not a city big enough to substantiate those numbers. Phoenix, being the one of the largest spread-out cities, has only a 23.5-mile radius. Your predictions of the future are depressing and even if true, would drive public demand against that kind of centralization or for a completely different solution. The average person simply cannot afford to spend that kind of time and money getting back and forth to work.
Ahh i see the problem here. You are talking about America, which has large cities spread about the country and a huge percentage of the population can live and work in the same city. Here in the UK all the cities apart from London are relatively tiny, far more people live in towns instead of cities, and living in a city but commuting to a distant town or even another city is extremely common, even more common is people that live in one town but commute to another. Far less of the population here live in cities than in USA. And in other countries, the difference is even *more* pronounced. America, as a 'new world' country, has very few towns compared to older countries, but a lot more cities. Thats why, even though as a country it may be bigger than most, people there need to travel a lot less as the cities offer a lot more and you dont have people and businesses congregating in towns rather than cities.
Another factor that needs taking into account - in the USA, it is very common to have your garage or at least a concrete parking area attached to your house. Over here, only posh expensive houses are guaranteed that luxury. Most garages are off-site, hence there is no opportunity to make the garage 'live' for charging EVs - most people here park thier cars on the side of the street, and dangling charging cable over the footpath/pavement/sidewalk overnight to charge them would be illegal as a health and safety risk!
We actually had a couple move into a house near ours (off-plan), apparently they were told (but not in writing) by the developer the garage would be live which suited them as they had a Nissan electric car, when they moved in and found it wasnt, they basically had a £30,000 brick sat outside thier garage rusting away. Needless to say they moved out after a short while!
I'm not sure where you are basing your range on 100 Miles. The GM Bolt already has a range of 240 miles and would be around the 30.000 to 35.000 pounds mark if it were sold in the UK. So far, GM has apparently no plans for a Right Hand drive version, but there are many others coming on the market that will.
The Tesla Model 3 will be in the same price range for 220 miles when released, probably close to 2019.
The current LR version would be in the 45K pound range.
The new Leaf has 150 miles, and will probably move to 200+ miles within 2 years.
There will be a lot more choices in the next couple of years. You are however correct about charging infrastructure. Private garages and driveways are a lot more common in the USA than in the UK where many people park on the street.
They are already starting to convert street lamps to chargers for this reason in the UK, but I can't tell you how quickly that will spread outside of London into other cities. At least things are heading in the right direction.
www.independent.co.uk/environment/london-street-lamps-electric-car-charging-points-ubitricity-tech-firm-hounslow-council-richmond-a7809126.html
There is little point whatsoever to changing to electric vehicles as they are still fossil fuel powered. The fact that the grid from which they are charged may have x % renewable generation does not matter as any extra grid load is always met by increased output from fossil fuelled generation. (Hydro will also apply but few countries have large hydro capacity) There is still all the losses in generation, transmission, distribution and conversion to and from AC to DC. Plus the cost of all the high power charging infrastructure. The only gain is reduced emissions in congested areas.
Yes, and the government will add a fuel tax to electricity for vehicles before long, to replace the lost tax on conventional fuel.
Iain Reid : where I live, Ontario, Canada, only 4% of electricity is generated from Fossil Fuel. (Natural Gas). Nuclear carries 60%, water (hydro) is at 25.6%, and wind and solar come close to 10%.
Bram,
Some countries have relatively large hydro generation capacities, but overall it is very small.
This always applies:- "renewable generation does not matter as any extra grid load is always met by increased output from fossil fuelled generation. (Hydro will also apply but few countries have large hydro capacity). Wind and solar cannot respond to increase in grid load so the net result is the extra load is met by types of generation that can respond. I don't know if hydro in Ontario is run as base load, i.e. maximum or near, or is used for load balancing?
There are many ways to generate electricity. Only one destructive way to get oil and refine it into gasoline.
@@iainreid9914 It's a myth that EVs are not clean. There was an analysis of this issue done by the Union of Concerned Scientists showing that EVs have a lower lifetime carbon footprint than ICE vehicles EVEN IF the electricity is generated from coal! This is due to their higher efficiency compared to ICE. You are overestimating the amount of coal that we use to make electricity. It is falling rapidly, and the only other fossil fuel is natural gas, which is far cleaner than coal. Oil is almost never used for electrical generation. The grid is pretty clean, and it's getting cleaner all the time.
Gas and diesel are OLD polluting technology.
Battery electric vehicles are just better, no emissions, no noise, less fuel costs, less maintenance costs.
Better for people and the planet.
And they put out hardly any heat! The ICE can be thought of a heat generator as much as a transportation method.
Would also point out the model T was able to be used anywhere in the country that fuel could be obtained plus it was cheaper to purchase.Early electrics were more expensive cars and confined to towns that had an electric network, they were also favoured by ladies due to their refinement.
My grandmother rode an electric car on her wedding day. My grandfather (other side of the family) once broke his wrist cranking a car. I never put these two facts together before.
NOPE - they even had Electric delivery trucks in 1900's and they even had All Electric OFF ROAD racing cars as well. ALL of the BIC citiy of the time had EV charging stations like NY, Boston, SF, and Chicago.
convenient to convert old gas vehicles to electric but will the law forbid it?
That will never be economically practical. A waste of good batteries and motors, and money. The break even time on an ev is now painfully long, on a converted ice would be unbelievably long.
The engine of the future is here now , just look at the 2stroke direct injected engine , this should be used in the chevy volt . More power and less weight .
GM Ultralight. It's already been done. I am amazed that cars still use four strokes.
I also wonder why they don't use a small gas turbine. Much lighter, and can use other fuels. Much more durable than the 1960's turbine cars.
davie biggions -- And a $#!+ ton more gasperations.
Christian Libertarian -- It's the _'can use other fuels'_ part, along with having parts that are less likely to spontaneously disintegrate that rule out turbine engines for automotive OEMs that are heavily invested in the petroleum industry.
Electric is the Future.....NOT the ICE car.
YOU SEEM TO BE SNIFFING TOO MANY BATTERIES...GO IN YOUR SAFE SPACE AND DRINK YOUR HOT COCOA.
1. The Prius is 40% thermally efficient. 2. Coal/gas plants are 30% thermally efficient. 3. There is a 10-20% loss just going from outlet to car battery, not to mention losses from transmission from power plant to home.
Electric vehicles are just better. No noise, no emissions, less fuel costs, less maintenance costs.
Gasoline and diesel are OLD polluting technology. So last century. Hydrogen is a waste of time and money.
Electric cars, electric trucks, electric buses, electric trash haulers, electric snow blowers, electric lawn mowers, electric snow mobiles, electric water craft, electric garden tools, electric mechanic tools, electric motor cycles, electric bicycles, electric scooters, electric farm tractors, electric construction equipment, electric delivery vehicles, ...... everything is going electric. No worries about starting after sitting for a few months. Gas always needs repairs.
In Tesla 95% goes to power tje motor, not 90%!!!
the sheer amount of volume per cubit watt you get from burning gasoline to how much batteries you would need to get the same amount of energy is absurd, there is no comparison between the two. Also the rare earth elements you need to make the batteries and the environmental damage and slave labour to get these rare earth elements is on par if not more then getting it from fossil fuel. Either way electric is not really the future. Vehicles that generate their own power such as Nicholas Tesla envisioned is the future.
Brain washing propaganda, but then again I own a Nissan Leaf (I bought used for $12K) to supplement my diesel +50 mpg VW TdI. Electric car RANGE IS NOT ENOUGH for EXTENDED RANGE X-country driving. Sorry. Not even Tesla is practical for a vacation trip across the USA. My VW Diesel can go +700 miles on one fill up. Diesel is widely available (just slightly less than RUG). Fill up in the diesel takes 5 min, including bathroom break. Electric 4-12 hours. Fast charge 30 mins if you can find it. P.S. I pay about $0.06 (cents) a mile not $0.10 as the video says. My LEAF does not start when the lead acid battery dies for some strange reason. Don't say electric cars are 100% reliable, that is also a lie.
Not true. My Model 3 now has 10,000 miles including 6 long-range trips. The voice-actvated commands for the built-in navigation software quicky plot the route an include needed charging stops.
If you have to use a GPS to find where to fuel up rather than know you can just pull off 300 feet from the highway to fuel and get going again without a GPS, that is a step back in driving capability.
Cars don't use fuel going down hill in gear - only if you put your foot on the clutch or accelerator is fuel used.
But EVs actually " *refuel* " themselves going downhill!
Aaand. aluminium rust!
Aluminium doesn't rust
Well, aim going to buy a cloud ⛅️ car, this car runs 🏃♀️ on cloud fuel ⛽️.
ps. we are not running out of oil don't trust me look it up also look up the mining of what go's in the lithium batteries and see if you want it in your backyard.
Hurrr de durrrr
There are no PHEV's getting 250 mpg or 600 mpg period, this metric is a false canard. The cars are of course using 32.7 kWh for a gallon equivalent and when using gas they are then getting gasoline mpg at a much lower rate. This kind of thing cast doubt on the veracity of your whole presentation.
He meant that he drove 600 miles and only used one gallon of gas. He's not talking about the gas equivalent of the energy he's using. He just means that he's mostly using it in EV mode, only rarely in gas mode.
@@incognitotorpedo42 I know what he is saying, I am saying this kind of metric is blatantly misleading and disqualifies anyone using as being knowledgeable about the subject matter at hand.
Gas cars can be around 20% efficient and an EV can be up to 90% efficient but that is it.
Unity is 100% and there are no physical devices that can reach unity or higher unless they were to start at a higher gravitational potential and travel to a lower elevation. In that case it would be a rigged test.
Obsolete?
Europe, China and the UK are already Banning Diesel vehicles, found out you cant make a CLEAN Diesel vehicle . and they are also planning on Banning NEW Sales ICE cars by 2030.
yes. That doesn't mean your car or even the next ICE car you buy won't work but it won't be worth much on the resale market and will eventually go the way of an AMC Pacer, Gremlin or Chevy Nova.
@@dzerres maybe one day but not today
Great cheer leading. While electric cars may function well in warm climes, urban areas, and for high load-short haul situations, in cold temperatures battery capacity is limited. Has this problem been solved? Much of the US lies north of 40 degrees latitude and is mid-continental assuring persistent cold winter temperatures. If the only way to assure battery performance is to park electric vehicles in heated garages, your gains of efficiency of illusory for a large part of the country when all inputs are accounted. I have nothing against electrics. However they are still have limited application in parts of the country where climatic and geographic conditions render them at best a 2-3 season vehicle.
Norway passed 100,000 Apr 2016, Canada 20,000 May 2016 so there doesn't seem to be a problem in the Northern Hemisphere.
The inventor of the lithium ion battery has just created a design for a new solid state lithium battery that has two to three times the energy density as l-ion and has no loss of function or capacity even at -20C.
And even better, it could be configured to use sodium instead of lithium.
After driving an electric car for almost 5 years on a daily basis in
Canada (including in temperatures as low as 40 below zero (C or F)) and
on road trips as far afield as Florida, I can state with confidence that
your concerns have been fully addressed. After more than 100,000 km the
original battery has retained more than 95% of its capacity, and seems
likely to be good for at least another five years (when the replacement
cost will have been more than paid for from gas savings). Long trips are
no less convenient than a gas car (human beings need refueling and
other bio breaks as often as the car need recharging), and the charging
on the Supercharger network is superfast and free. All things considered, electric cars are at least five times as energy efficient as comparable (size and performance) gas cars.
Book: "No device can generate energy in excess of the total energy put into constructing it".
the-fifth-law.com/pages/press-release
I see 2 or 3 little problems with EV's.
1. The instability of solar panels on the grid. Solar only supplying < 2% of power now and it's very intermtnt. Supplying a bell curve of energy from only late AM to early PM.
2. Electricity is only 20% of energy consumption, when you add All those EV's to the system and say change that to 40% there are big problems. You are asking the grid to supply double the energy. Most of that energy will initially come from oil/gas/coal plants. The utility firm will go broke trying to build all those new plants. Meanwhilst, they will be slowly losing more customers & money to home/commercial solar panels every year. This can't fly when you bankrupt say PG&E already having declared bankruptcy for other liability reasons.
3. Currently 75 % of USA doesn't have $ 1,000 cash banked for an emergency. 44K for Tesla, 36K for solar panels & power wall/accessories = $ 80K to go green. Less than % 5 of citizens can afford the product ! And Tesla wants you to pay up front and wait 3 months for delivery ?
Musk has basically already proved uneconomical to produce Tesla's in US and going to China.
They already own 50 % of EV market and almost all solar and batteries . More job losses in the US, than less can afford EV's. You are also looting the tax base via subsidies & still claiming .58 p/mile write-off on taxes. How is any of this good news for America ? When the subsidies disappear so will that small EV market. Sorry but Teslas are a rich yuppie boys, I'm so cool status product. Worst of all Tesla building Roadsters when the whole country leasing not buying Trucks & SUV's, Sorry but wrong product. Last the price of copper & aluminum will skyrocket. You can't have batteries & solar & car bodies without a hell of a lot of copper/aluminum.
So why dont people buy them? Why do only 0.5% of sales go to EVs? When clowns like this can understand that question AND ANSWER IT, you will find out why EVs are not getting great acceptance.
In Norway (Smart Place) the EVs are selling better than ICE cars. In China EVs are accelerating in sale very rapidly... it is the future.
The norway claim is just another internet fake news story. Norway has only a couple percent of EVs and not surprisingly since they are Europes biggest oil producer.
People are buying them almost as fast as they are being produced, in Tesla's case, faster. China has more drivers than the rest of the world and the fastest growing number of drivers in the world and they are moving to dominate both the manufacture and consumption of EVs. Elon Musk has already answered it. The fact that EVs are growing as fast as they are while having to fight Big Oil, Big Auto and people like you every step of the way is proof they will be accepted faster than you think
EVs are ONE PERCENT of sales. The reasons for that are many but the largest is that they dont replace petrol cars fully. They dont have the range and refuel times of petrol cars and are more expensive. It is not an ideological argument. it is a practical one. When EVs are as good and as practical as petrol cars, people will buy them. But for now, they generally dont.
Yeah, free energy from solar panels-except that it takes about 2 tons of coal-or equivalent energy-to produce a single solar panel, and solar panels, like everything else, eventually wear and have to be replaced.
Frank.
A few figures.
Although "fossil" fuel accounts for about 60% of grid generation, only about 14% is coal. On the other hand renewable power was at 10% in 2017 and is running at 17%+ in 2018.(!)
So it's more likely that renewable energy is used that coal.
This follows the trend of other countries, where renewables are not only more popular, but cheaper... *Without subsidy* .
The latest panels produce on average better than 30 times the energy over an average lifetime than it takes to make them.
Add to this that many states are seeing the benefits of Wind power for major generation.
Even (!) Republican politicians see the benefits!
For example, Georgetown Texas now uses 20/% renewal power and is saving money doing so.
Even if EV's *are* powered solely by coal they are cheaper and cleaner to run (WHEN proper scrubbing technology is used😡)
Welcome to the green Revolution!
And god said: let there be Tesla