How "New Frontierland" Makes Sense - DSNY Newscast
Vložit
- čas přidán 7. 06. 2024
- With Tiana's Bayou Adventure opening this year at Walt Disney World, there's been a lot of talk about the future of Frontierland. And so let's discuss how Frontierland is changing and what this "New Frontierland" is and how Tiana's actually makes sense as part of Frontierland.
Offhand Disney's video on Frontierland: • Frontierland is Changi...
Drew the Disney Dude's video on Tiana's Bayou Adventure: • Tiana's Bayou Adventur...
✨ Join the Official Waltineer Club - / dsnynewscast
🚨 Get the latest breaking Disney News:
🔹 Twitter - / dsnynewscast
🔸 Instagram - / dsnynewscast
#DisneyNews #DisneyParks #DSNYNewscast #Frontierland #MagicKingdom #TianasBayouAdventure #SplashMountain
0:00 - Country Bears Jamboree Refurbishment
0:36 - Tiana's Bayou Adventure Construction Update
1:37 - The Discourse Surrounding Tiana's Bayou Adventure
3:49 - How Does Tiana's Bayou Adventure Thematically Fit In Frontierland?
5:52 - Frontierland: The Davy Crockett Connection
7:32 - Thoughts on Re-Theming Frontierland
7:52 - Future of Pecos Bill Tall Tale Inn
9:10 - Waltineer Question
DSNY Newscast is THE CZcams CHANNEL for ALL your Disney News, from Disneyland to Walt Disney World, from Star Wars to Pixar, or Marvel to Disney Movies, everything about The Walt Disney Company will be covered, in these daily news roundups.
I love that Jack knows American History better then the majority of actual American citizens.
😂 just basic history knowledge isn’t it?
Haha yep and schools often teach only one semester of it in high school now. Sad ha
Disney parks does not care about being historically accurate. For example, the changes in parts of the Caribbean, Jungle cruise were accurate. Also, the country Bears played western music, so it fit perfectly in frontierland. At another point Disney could’ve built a New Orleans Square in the expansion plots everyone would’ve been happy.
@talus31 the education system in the UK is infinitely better than in the US.
@@DSNYNewscast Great explanation of how the Bayou adventure can fit into frontierland!. Separate question: can you do a response video to the Universal Epic Universe first look released today? I'm sure your fans would love to hear your thoughts, how it might compare to WDW, etc.
The Disney World communications team should hire you as you just concisely addressed the concerns some fans have in the most logical and intelligent way I have seen anyone do.
Why would they? If he can make sense of it.. it means it was made to make sense. If not, he is reaching..
It seems that Disney is so big that it doesnt care as much what the customer thinks.. they are to the point were people will go no matter what
@@Big_Dai Yeah, but he is actually reaching. Disney Corp has not confirmed that the Western Expansion theme was intentional.
@@Big_Daibecause Disney is not good at explaining what they're doing
This is what he wants. In a video several years ago, he was interviewed by FreshBaked and he admitted that he submitted a proposal to The Walt Disney Company
DSNY referencing Offhand and Offhand referencing FreshBaked in the same day, it’s like Disney inception.
Jack should really credit the original creator who pointed out the westward expansion
Disney CZcamsrs Assemble!
Casually saying “we all know about Davey Crockett and the Alamo” like the average American didn’t erase that knowledge after 11th grade. :-) Came for Jack, got a history lesson. Not too shabby.
Honestly, you've explained how Tiana's Bayou Adventure would fit in Frontierland perfectly, Jack. So accurate. I could not have explained that better myself. Well done with such high praise.
Disney parks would solve a lot of these thematic & attraction issues if they made an 'American Legends' attraction, likely a dark flume ride. You'd ride down a disneyfied version of the Mississippi as you meet & sing along characters from American folklore, such as Johnny Appleseed, Pecos Bill, Paul Bunyan, Davey Crockett, Tom Sawyer & Huckleberry Finn, Ichabod Crane & the Headless Horseman & John Henry, heck, maybe even Br'er Rabbit.
In the end & after a drop, everyone reappears & sings Zip-a- Dee-Doo-Da as they bid you fairwell. Such a ride could inspire kids to learn more about these folk stories & characters that are a part of Amrican culture & being lost to time.
This ride could use elements from the lost Fronteer River Expedition attraction ressurrected.
WESTERN RIVER EXPEDITION would've been Awesome! A true blast from the past
Jack, I agree with everything you've said here, but you missed one thing. Tom Sawyer Island the the Rivers of America is another component linking these time periods. Sawyer represents Missouri (1820) and the Mississippi River, which leads directly to New Orleans. The cavalry fort represents the western plains region, too.
I agree that makes sense as well. But didn’t want to include that just include Tom Sawyer Island gets rethemed. I was trying to “future proof” the theory
Right but wouldn't it look weird with a New Orleans area between two western lands
I like the idea of westward motion/expansion in the park. The problem is that Tiana doesn’t take place around the Louisiana purchase, so it does break the motion through time that the area used to have
I am a teacher and ashamed of myself that I don't know half the history of my country, so thank you for that! I never even remotely thought of a Country Bear adjacent restaurant, because I love the one in California, but I do agree that Tiana is probably going to take up a vast amount of real estate in that area. I definitely will be riding the ride, but I fear that cost-cutting will be key in their minds. It is one of the reasons why Runaway Railway really disappointed me, despite having loved the original occupant of that building. I think we will have our answer sooner rather than later, if projections of opening time frames are accurate. I hope you and your family enjoyed your most recent visit.
We wuz kangz n kweenzland
Das rite!
I 100% doubt that Disney put that much thought into the impact of the location of Tiana's Bayou Adventure.
😂 TOTALLY AGREE!
Only in California
yea its been a while since the imagineers have taken into consideration about the cohesiveness of the park. Where one theme ends..
They didn’t. It’s Disney apologetics at work again. No one willing to stand up against this bs.
@@STSGuitar16I’m still mad at Disney for canceling that awesome e ticket quinjet ride for avengers campus, to instead go with a way cheaper “multiverse” ride idea
I agree with you on the timeline thing and also Tiana's takeover of Splash Mountain. Good job Jack.
Except there is a jarring shift from 18th century Tennessee to 1920's New Orleans then another jarring shift back to the Old West.
@@howtubeable Splash Mountain didn’t make sense in Frontierland as well since that was set in 1940’s Georgia which makes it an even bigger jarring shift.
I love DSNY's content -- and not just because Jack helps me realize that I've been ME! All this time, I'VE BEEN ME! Hooray! Thanks, Jack 😉
Tiana's Bayou adventure probably fits in Frontierland better than Guardians of the Galaxy does in Epcot. That being said, if the Tiana ride is widely panned as a cheap replacement there will be a huge uproar in the community.
That's not saying much because guardians doesn't fit in epcot AT ALL. But i do agree with you 100 percent.
But the Xandarian pavilion is paid for by the government of Xandar. And they bring in alien exchange students to staff it. Just like all the other countries at Epcot.
They better not get rid of big thunder mountain railroad
That ride is a classic
Why would they… 🙄”they’re gonna be doing this next!” You’re not a politician stop fear mongering
Tina salt mine coming soon to Walt Disney World. From the people that brought you Scouts of the Caribbean, woke mountain, sensitive bears, diversity Hires Tik room, carousel of racism, and The culture appropriate cruise.
The more you explained it, the more it makes sense. I’m obviously not really happy about the retheme, but I’m still gonna give it a chance
With Tiana's Bayou Adventure replacing Splash Mountain, the Magic Kingdom will be down to two mountains. With Pecos Bill Inn becoming Tiana's Palace, it'll be the next crown jewel of the Southern United States.
Disneyland as well
Anyone criticizing the ride before it has even opened is just hating at this point
I mean...the hate is understandable if the original Splash Mountain is one of your ALL TIME FAVORITE rides...but hey: I myself am eager for a great replacement. I knew for a while it was only a matter of time, with Disney's long-time refusal to ever rerelease Song Of The South...so I've made my peace with it.
It’s was falling apart.
@@People_of_the_MouseBecause Disney deliberately chose to quit refurbishing it. Tokyo is proof that this is not a valid argument against Splash.
No, it’s not being a “haaaaaaater,” sweetheart. To begin with, what was promised for the attraction’s exterior as released in Imagineer concept drawings to gain public support is not being delivered. From Epcot renovations to Galaxy’s Edge, Bobby Iger has a recent history of under-delivering. Fans have a right to be skeptical and critical.
I have eyes and a brain sir. I can judge it prior. It's plain to see that Disney has severely cut the budget. Looks terrible, doesn't look like it's based on an animated film. Terrible art direction and massive downgrade from splash mountain. Even Japan agrees with me.
I’m really glad you shared your thoughts on why Frontierland makes sense as the place for Tiana’s attraction. I was genuinely surprised by how accurate the idea is to the actual history of America, and how it could reinforce the theme of American frontiers and westward expansion which is really awesome.
I'd like to see Liberty Square, the Tiana area and Frontierland renamed to Riverfront Square. It would allow them to take a step back thematically from the chronological and geographical handcuffs that previously existed. The over arching theme would be the waterfront communities that developed along the Mississippi, Colorado and other rivers.
I think what i like about this new setup is that It not only blends with frontier and new orleans square but also bridges the gap to critter county in Disneyland anaheim resort. The issue im alittle concerned is if tiana's bayou is considered part of the Five mountains of disneyland? or just a giant mound?
Always look forward to your updates and personal insight 👍😊
Nailed it. Loved this video.
Great points Jack!
Re-theming the Pecos Bill restaurant to to Hungry Bear would make sense, but so would a New Orleans - Taina theme as well. In fact there is precedence for that in the history of Frontierland at Disneyland. Prior to New Orleans Square there was a New Orleans area in Disneyland’s Frontierland in the form of several facade buildings between what is now the Stage Door Cafe to Riverbelle Terrace - A New Orealns themed restaurant at the time.. There was even a riverside gazebo stage. And when you think about it, the Mark Twain is patterned after a riverboat going down the Mississippi to New Orleans, right down to jazz bands that use to play aboard it (even the famous New Orleans musician Louis Armstrong play there frequently). Then of course in late 1966 New Orleans Square opened to they incorporated those New Orleans themed buildings back into Frontierland.
So if they did some of this re-theme at the Magic Kingdom that would make perfect sense! And by the way, Pecos Bill was not original Disney IP, the character and tale is of American folklore of the late 1800’s the Disney adapted.
Great job bringing this thought around, Jack.
I agree we need to reserve judgment until they finish. But going for "realism" for a cartoon attraction doesn't seem like the right thing. Also, not recreating the original story, but making it a sequel instead, doesn't seem smart. Retell the beloved story and don't risk failing with a new one.
This is the first time I’ve heard an argument that Tiana’s not only doesn’t contradict the Frontierland theme, but actually fits really well! That’s really cool
A very smart reflection on how everyone can relax and enjoy the new ride! Missing in your discussion is an explanation of how splash mountain ever fit into frontierland? The reality is that it also was a bit of a stretch…
I was there the other day I think it’s looking really nice imo I didn’t think it looked out of place at all. I’m pretty pumped about it
There's a Country Bear Jamboree movie?!
Yes, it came out in 2002
It would be a good idea for the retheme for Country Bear Jamboree, but I don't know for the change of Pecos Bill's restaurant, even for the same restaurant here in Disneyland as the same beignets with lemon fillings just like donut fillings. Because I missed Mickey-shaped beignets as I had the taste of memories.
great perspective!
The menu at Pecos Bill is my fav for quick service in MK, so I'd be sad to see it change
same here
The rethemed Splash Mountain would transport me to the Big Easy. The attraction will still be saturable but with a Cajun twist.⚜
Thanks for this explanation, Jack. No idea if this is what Disney is thinking, but your explanation of the flow through American history mirroring the flow through Frontierland makes perfect sense!
I’ve often remarked when watching your videos, “Jack should be an imagineer!” Well done, Jack!
Such smart content! Another winner. Also nice to see someone in the community saying nice things about the exterior retheme of Splash. I will miss Splash, but change is inevitable and I am looking forward to digging a little deeper! I secretly harbor hopes that Sawyer Island being made over is next on the agenda. A Pocahontas area would be awesome! Unlikely, but awesome!
Great points!
You know in Disneyland, Pirates is in New Orleans Square. So, if you’re in Frontierland and you are in front of Tiana’s Bayou and head towards Adventureland? What is the first attraction you come upon? Pirate’s! So that walkway from Tiana and Pirates should be dedicated to New Orleans and what folks in New Orleans say is Crescent City. So that walkway along with Tiana attraction between Frontierland and Adventureland should be known as the Crescent City. Furthermore both Tiana and Pirates are connected to Disneyland in New Orleans Square. To go beyond Big Thunder, I believe they should continue Frontierland’s arid theme and build an attraction of Aladdin’s Cave of Wonders using the blueprint of Soarin; a Coco attraction using the blueprint of Pirates backwards where instead at the end there’s a drop where you get thrown out of the Land of the Dead and last but not least bring Cars Radiator’s Racers to fill out that land behind Big Thunder. Then behind Haunted Mansion to connect to Frontierland build a Haunted themed Restaurant and bar and add a Jack and Sally theater to give folks a villains type experience that the whole family can enjoy until they can figure out where to put a Villain’s theme park!
Bring Back The Mile Long Bar along with Melvin, Buff and Max!!
You're right about New Orleans Square (circa 1803) would be a great addition to Frontierland. The only thing out of place is Tiana in the 1920's.
I feel like you should become an imagineer Jack! And you explaining how everything comes together was awesome!
HOLD UP
Mexican cession: Big thunder mountain, big thunder expansion with coco and encanto
This is starting to make more sense.
3:57
I agree I went Port Orleans Resort and I heard Western Music similar to Splash Mountain
FANTASTIC explanation!!!
Very good commentary on why it’s NOT the big deal it is being made out to be and why it does flow and fit in. Well done 👍
Great observation on the adjoining components of Frontierland with the American expansion west. Although historically I would like to include the Northwest Ordinance of 1787 that opened the territory northwest of the Ohio River. The Rivers of America would fit in nicely to represent not only the Mississippi River but the Ohio River where rafts, sailing ships and River Boat once traveled too.
I don't think that princess and the frog would have gotten its own ride without having been chosen for the retheme.
Well, the point is Disney could’ve built a New Orleans land in the expansion plots.
The saddest part to me is the loss of the “splash mountain” name. I truly wish it would have kept the title through the re-theme
Don’t forget Tom Sawyer Island which is set in Missouri.
I think your analysis makes a lot of sense. Nice review!
Exactly!
The thing is why so much greenery???? The whole mountain is one big green blob.... It does not resemble a bayou it resembles a green bush......
I think it’s meant to resemble the green landscape of Louisiana hillside.
Let’s not stretch the truth; there are no hillsides in New Orleans.
That’s why this project is so jarring, and looks like they bought fake foliage from 500 Hobby Lobby stores to cover it up.
Thanks for the video. I’m super excited about Tiana’s Adventure and love the new outside look. I love all the re-theming things Disney did in the past like Tower of Terror to Guardians and incredicoaster and Goofys Sky School.
I still have a question though- What about the pull strings for your hoodie? What happened to them? :o
I always cut them off on every hoodie I have. Because I hate them moving around 😂 plus I never ever used them.
@@DSNYNewscast haha- I hear that! Keep up the great work, man!! Love your videos and insight! 🤩
Great points all around.
Kudzu mountain makes sense for Disney 😂
Tiana should do more important things like a princess charm school in England after all she is a disney princess!!!
I agree with it being western river expedition. Then with that they could have made a square in the beyond thunder mountain area then gave her a ride that fits with Lusiana. My problem is a couple different things. I still don't think it fits in the area and also the layout doesn't fit Lusiana as it's a extremely flat state with no real mountains like that.
I agree there is no return on investment with redoing the buildings, but I do think it would be cool retheme them a bit, have them look more Tennessee like, instead of the cowboy looking texas town. I like your country bear restaurant ideas as well. What are your thoughts with Tom Sawyer Island? It's cool to go out there, but I honestly only do it once every 10 years or so, I think they could do something pretty amazing out there. Keep up the good work Jack
I would leave frontier as it is and make the Golden Oak area connecting to Adventure Land Magazine or Decatur Street. Golden Oak can sell beignets and you could even tie in Pirates and remove it from Adventureland.
At first, I didn’t think “The Princess and the Frog” (2009) would fit with Frontierland, but now that I saw this video, I have to agree with everything you said. 😉 I totally think you should work for the Walt Disney World communication team. 😊😁
Your westward expansion idea is brilliant!! Disney needs you on their team.
That was a very good explanation.
I believe country Bears did used to exit into what Pecos bills was before
I saw my first can can at the DHR. Perfect venue for tiana’s s show. Peco becomes the tiana QS. Caribbean bar fits right in. retail into the shooting gallery. build a proper frontiers behind BTM
Couldn't they have at least called it something like Splash Bayou?
2:38 And an actual original attraction! That would truly be a dream come true if Disney had the balls to attempt it and people actually embraced something outside an IP.
But where are the mountains in the bayou?
It’s a stupid name in my opinion. I think they should have called it Mardi Gras Mountain. Or Tiana’s Louisiana Adventure.
But there are mountainous/hillside landscapes in Louisiana.
What are your thoughts about expending the Louisiana/New Orleans/Tiana theme onto Tom Sawyer Island? That gives them a spot for new Orlean theme quick service, and convert the fort into a music stage...as well as other things.
I personally never understood the attachment to Splash Mountain. I’ve ridden it on both of my visits to Disney and… I was bored. Between the drops that is. So I’m really looking forward to this retheme because I LOVE Princess and the Frog - it’s one of my favorite Disney Princess movies! If the music and story is gonna draw me into that world I’m all for it.
Jack, really enjoyed how you put this into perspective. That said, I thought on the expansion ideas going pass Thunder Mountain and in keeping with the southwest theme. We need Radiator Springs and Ornament Valley. It would fit right in and adding Route 66 is perfect. Just think on it. Coco and Encanto just wouldn't fit in as they are not American southwest.
Thanks!
Thanks for the Super Chat!
I agree with you 100%
Am I alone when I say that I think they could've fixed this entire "controversial ride's" controversy by simply adding an very well done AAA of Uncle Remus? I mean the man won an Academy Award (granted honorary due to his skin color) for the role and was the first African American to do so. This would've given true tribute to him where tribute was due while not causing such an uproar. I think everyone would've supported this.
It's so funny because i'm a black guy and was raised in black culture (from New Orleans) and nobody in my culture ever raised concerns about the Songs of the South or Uncle Remus. We all actually loved him and looked up to him as a person with true wisdom. This whole transformation seems to be unnecessary and the result of other cultures putting their noses where they really shouldn't be and telling them what is appropriate and what isn't appropriate in their own culture. Not to say the subject matter of the movie isn't controversial but what Disney movie from that time was truly "woke?" None of em. That is understood by all fans of Disney.
Just my two cents
Pretty sure Frontierland is based off a town in Northern California, kinda throws off the the time line of the video. You could just say what Disney says, we’re putting ip in the parks and you can deal with it (yes I know splash mountain was ip but the ride was more well known than the original movie)
This took on a life of its own...
Your Westward Expansion progression is exactly what Disney was going for when building Magic Kingdom, but you've misidentified the location. In Disneyland, where the original Frontierland is, you cross a bridge from the hub, over a "river" and then enter Frontierland through the wooden arch. That "river" symbolizes the Mississippi River and you're not in the "Western Frontier" until you cross it. (The "Wild Frontier" is a reference to nature in general and is not specific to any region.) This also occurs in Magic Kingdom, but in a much cheaper - though also clever - way. Coming from Liberty Square, right before the very tiny Frontierland arch, there's a stream next to the fort. While it doesn't go under "a bridge", Liberty Square and Frontierland are clearly delineated by differently-colored concrete separated by a narrow metal border. The stream flows under this and reappears on the other side, where it empties into the Rivers of America, which is the continuation of the "Mississippi River". Which it totally is: Tom Sawyer Island, Mark Twain, stern-wheelers... even the old Mike Fink Keel Boats were based on a Davy Crockett episode where they races keel boats to New Orleans, a feat that can only happen on the Mississippi. (I think back when the park was built, the fort continued to the edge of the Rivers, similar to Disneyland's version.)
Yes, there's that Country Bears movie, but in true Disney fashion, canon isn't necessarily adhered to when making a movie. When Disneyland opened, Frontierland was basically Missouri. While some believe the Frontierland arches are based on St Louis's Gateway Arch, that came many many years later. It's most likely Kansas City, which was on the Missouri - hence the RiverS of America and not just the Mississippi - and was considered the actual Gateway to the West before St Louis stole the title. (St Louis as the Gateway makes no sense as it was built to make money from trading up and down the Mississippi. Meanwhile, the three major Trails - Santa Fe, Oregon and California - all passed through KC's Jackson County.) Beyond this - which is now just referred to as "Missouri" in Disney lore - it was all just exploring the Wild West. In fact, the "river" that we cross into Frontierland used to flow into the Explorer's Boat Ride (pre-Jungle Cruise) - and then into the Rivers of America, meaning you had to cross what was possibly the Missouri River to get "out of" Missouri to explore the Louisiana Territory portion of the new Frontier. In the other direction, towards what is now Big Thunder, you went exploring in the Spanish Territory, which conveniently had a Mexican restaurant right there! As Disneyland grew, the Imagineers got to work creating the myth of everything. Disneyland had a similar progression: From Missouri, you followed the Mississippi "south" to New Orleans. Beyond New Orleans were the Indian War Canoes - oof - which were part of Indian Village - oof again. Once the Country Bear Jamboree was built, the area was renamed Bear Country, and was modeled after the Pacific Northwest, as it was in the northwest quadrant of the park. (This mapping has always been in place as even the most-northwestern part of Indian Village - just no - had totems and buildings from the PNW. Some say it's the Rockies. If so, it's the Rockies in Washington and/or Idaho!) Since then, the Imagineers have been kept busy trying to tie everything into a geographical Frontierland. Bear Country became Critter Country, based on a quote from Song of the South, which takes place IN GEORGIA. (And then they added the BRITISH Pooh characters, which I just now realized don't have British accents!) So Critter Country became a place in "Texas" which tied in a little better with the Davy Crockett Explorer Canoes, since that's where he died - I mean, paddled his canoes (wink wink) - so it was technically the South while still being the Western Frontier. With Big Thunder, that area continued being the "Spanish Territory", which is why that first road into Frontierland has Missouri on one side and the Wild West on the other. The canon refers to this as Rainbow Ridge, referencing the original Disneyland attraction, and placing it in Arizona. As Jack points out, Big Thunder is way more Utah than Arizona. And the original Mine Train Through Nature's Wonderland was clearly based on Yellowstone. I think Rainbow Ridge is in a more nebulous "Arizona", mostly because the most-famous Wild West mining town is Tombstone, Arizona.
Anyhow, all this means is that there is no way MK's Country Bears are wherever the movie says they are. This is definitely west of the Mississippi. In fact, the archway to Adventureland is like the archway in Disneyland with Missouri on one side, the Western Frontier on the other. (The Disney history sites refer to the architecture as "St Louis Architecture", which is not a thing. It's no different than what was going on everywhere else in the West.) While the fort doesn't give much of an indication as to where we are after crossing the "Mississippi" - might it be Lewis & Clark's fort that they built in KC? - there are lots of clues to the west of it. Grizzly Hall may have gotten such a specific name as Grizzlies were found almost everywhere west of the Mississippi at this time. The Prairie Outpost & Supply is referencing the American Prairie, a vertical swath of land which stretches from North Dakota down into Texas. Pecos Bill is the main clue here, as he was a Disney TV character specifically from Texas, and may be the inspiration for all of this. His Tall Tale Inn is based on all the ridiculous stories he used to tell, one of which is that he started the Gold Rush and invented "There's gold in them thar hills!" (There are more clues: Disneyland's Bear Country, which was planned after MK opened, became "Texas" only after the arrival of the Country Bears, suggesting it was mostly about story continuity between parks. Also - and this is really burying the lede - the Trading Post used to be owned by Texas John Slaughter, another Disney TV character.)
Texas was the easy part. Big Thunder is in Tumbleweed - an even more obvious Tombstone reference - so how do we get from Texas to Arizona? We know Splash Mountain was changed a bit from the California version because it needed to match Big Thunder (mostly in the color and all the extra "mining" buildings). Which means the "Arizona" border is somewhere south of Splash Mountain. Across from this is the Spanish Hacienda portion of Pecos Bill's. While many blame the Pirates of the Caribbean for this theme, that's dumb. Here, Pirates is clearly in Adventureland and it's fairly obviously surrounded by Caribbean architecture, which is not the same thing as Spanish architecture. But we aren't in Texas anymore because between the hacienda section and the Town Hall is a Chinese Laundry, which was NOT something Texas had at the end of the 19th Century. Phoenix did, so the Town Hall is probably the divider between "Texas" and "Arizona". What I can't find any info on is what the area between Splash Mountain and the Adventureland arch is supposed to be? More Arizona? Mexico?
So why are the Country Bears in Texas? Originally meant for a resort in California's Sequoia National Forest, that plan didn't pan out and they moved the idea to Florida. Originally the bears were going to be from the Sequoias and just came in from the forest every night to perform their show. In fact, it wasn't originally country music, but they switched over to country only because it was going into Florida. So they gave all the bears Southern backgrounds, with several being from Florida. Big Al "played the swamps where MK ended up being built". Their back-stories were quickly buried when it was going to be cloned for California because Disney felt it was more important that they be based in the Pacific Northwest-based Bear Country, and back then Disneyland was definitely the one deciding what was canon. (Some refer to this as the Rockies, which it also may be as Big Al was born in Pocatello, Idaho, and it didn't sound like he ever left his cave area until he mysteriously ended up in Florida.) So the story is that Ursus H Bear got all his kinfolk together for one big show, and this theater was built - in the Magic Kingdom - to relive that great night over and over again. I think the one in Disneyland was supposed to be the actual cabin. It's unshockingly muddled.
With all that interesting - but totally useless info... hope you liked! - what's the chance of "Texas" turning into "New Orleans". I think it's more likely than Jack does. Changing facades is not that expensive. If that's all Disney had to do to keep people coming in, that's all they'd do. Princess and the Frog takes place in 1920s New Orleans, which is less than 30 years after these Frontierland buildings, so they wouldn't have to change much. And they probably won't after seeing what a cheap job they did with Tiana's Palace in Disneyland. Anything with wooden railings? Iron railings! Add balconies to the rest. A new paintjob and we're mostly done!
That said, they might actually choose to keep "Texas" because "Arizona" is definitely on the chopping block. Tiana can't be across from hacienda architecture. The only thing that could replace it is Tiana's Palace. Because the actual restaurant building is hidden by so many different facades, it wouldn't be that difficult - or costly - to retheme the whole thing. Considering how large Pecos Bill's is, the whole Mexican area will have to be New Orleans. Which is fine as New Orleans is a gateway to the Caribbean and works so much better than what's currently going on. Though I guess if it is Mexico, then that's also Caribbean-adjacent.
That's all! I swear!
I agree
The biggest issue I have personally is the fact that this ride just looks competely out of place. Yes I understand that it is set in New Orleans however, non of the foilage represents new orleans and looks more like a tropical jungle and not representative of what a true Louisiana looks like. This ride belomgs in Adventure land with the flowers and foilage that is on it.
If it wasn't from Mowana in EPCOT I would be awaiting a good surprise with Splash Mounting retheme, however my visit to WDW Epcot sow a retheme to the front of the park with trees 🌳 and I didn't agree with this, I have the feeling that trees don't agree with Frontierland ether as they mess the image of the ride up and how the area looks. That's not to say I won't go on it or like it. However, I do not fully agree to the retheming of Walt Disney Splash Mounting. I loved the idea of it being very western. Something tells me that there is a possibility that this could be just the start to New Orleans being built.
YES THERE IS A COUNTRY BEARS MOVIE!
This video was MUCH appreciated. It feels like such a healthy antedate from the incredibly negative Mickey Views.
I don’t think we should judge the Tiana ride until it is finished. So far it is very unimpressive but let’s judge it when it is finished. Splash Mountain could have just been rethemed with the Country Bears if they wanted to get rid of the Uncle Remus characters.
I agree what u said…
People are turned off by the re-theme because they disagree that its being themed to an IP that's 14 years old and didn't do particularly well at the box office. It's also one of only a few projects even going on so its hyper scrutinized. I'm sure it will be fine, although I'd rather have seen another IP used.
Splash Mountain will always be the perfect attraction in my opinion. It was just perfect
By the time this opens, I guess we’ll ultimately make the decision on which version is superior, the Disneyland version or the Disney World version
You know what you said makes alot of sense. I like I also think a hungry Bear would be perfect but I would like to try some of Tiana's Food
This is a great explanation to make it work better! I hope this means Frontierland as we know it will stick around- I know cowboys and the wild west aren't as popular as they used to be, but it's one of the staple lands Disney has had forever. Even the parks that don't have a "Frontier"land have some sort of western aesthetic land, like Westernland or Grizzly Gulch. Plus, it wouldn't make sense to put all this emphasis on Nashville Country Bears and then retheme it all to New Orleans!
The idealized rural Southern landscape of the original Splash Mountain was never really "frontier" either--it was the old South, not the old West. So at worst the thematic mismatch is a wash.
Disney should hire you, PERIOD !!!!
I was very skeptical, but when you broke down the movement through history by sections, it makes more sense now. I’m sure the imagineers probably had something similar in mind.
I can see the glass in that zoom in and The Princess and the Frog has a good score, so it’s worth keeping things open. The story could fall flat and still look the part
My Disneyland brain kept wondering "Frontierland? Isn't it in Critter Country?" lol
Davey Kwoket... lol
never heard anyone make fun of my voice before being a CZcamsr 😂
Splash Mountain should have never closed. So much of this mess could have been avoided if they just left that great ride tf alone.
Ready to go down the bayou 🎺
I completely agree on all of your points Jack. The princess deserved her own original ride.
That’s great and all. But, I want a New Orleans square in MK lol
I thought as a kid, you’d know what made splash Mountain better, if you took all the animatronics out, replacement with screens, and make it look like rainforest Café.
Disney makes up the "problematic" issues with its rides, attractions, and movies. The patrons take them in good humor and in context.✌🏾
Ok you convinced me on the Frontierland theme. They are going to have to up their game inside the ride to convince anyone. It doesn’t sound like it will be.