Why Drum Magazines are a Bad Idea
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I often see questions form people asking why drum magazines are not more widely used - the BAR and the MP40/I in particular. People often view the box vs drum magazine question simply in terms of capacity - where the drum is obviously superior. However, there are several other elements to the question, and drums don't fare so well with most of them. Drum magazines are heavier, more expensive to make, and much more complicated to carry than simple box magazines. Drum magazines are a tempting idea, and they periodically pop up in military usage around the world. However, what I find telling is that virtually no military adopted two drums in a row. The US dropped the Thompson drums, the Finns went form a drum to a box magazine for the Suomi, the Soviets dropped the PPSh-41 drum in favor of a box mag on the PPS-43, and neither the Lewis nor DP was followed by another gun using their pan magazines.
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The solution is obviously: *Triangle Mags*
Let's make a special magazine just for gamers,1 round per mag
I will patent that, peasants! See you from my future yacht!
jk
@@gashelio8747 that's just having no mag but a glocked gun
the Solution is a paintball gun. But instead of paint it’s filled with nerve gas.
*Laughs in Octagonal mag master race*
Yep found all this out the hard way
Yeah, didn't see drum mags at recent videos, what a coincidence xd
Whys that? Just asking, I have a drum for a cz scorpion and never shot it but looks and feels reliable
@@eazybandz4146 there usually just harder to load and you have to be sure to put the right spring pressure on them
@@eazybandz4146 the springs aren't as reliable and they jam much more often than a regular 20-30rd magazine. Especially AK drums.
@@FortunaFavetFortibus38K thank I was just about to buy one for my glock
During the war in Chechnya, Russian scouts complained that when moving in silence, the drum with cartridges for the RPD machine gun makes a lot of noise, the cartridges beat against the walls of the drum. This unmasks the scouts.
This kills the crab
I think this was the exact British complaint about the Thompson smg, during the 'Phony War' before the Battle of France in WW2.
They were still using rpds?
forgive me if im being dumb, but why were scouts carrying RPDs?
Cuz they go behind enemy lines and cause chaos or relay info about enemy movement. So the need alot of firepower if spotted. So a drum holding 50 to 100 rounds is alot of firepower to escape
POV: your high school principle is telling you why your shooting plan wouldn’t have worked
Oh shit, I read this at school, laughed, and now everyone's looking at me
Apollo lmaoooooo
Hes laying it out straight. Some people just cant except the truth... the 5.56mm C mag(100rd) seemed + but I'm not aware if that's even produced, 2020..
You would've gotten through at least a hundred kids though
lmfao
Correct answer is to start out with a drum, then reloads with stick mags.
That's me at the range, I have one drum preloaded and once it empties it spends the rest of the trip in my range bag.
Which is what the soviets did with the ppsh 41. Each one came with a 71 round drum and when this was expended it was replaced with one of the 35 round boxes the soldier carried. So he didn't have to carry awkward drums anyway.
Joe Mama
Yeah, split the difference... Makes sense.
You still gotta carry the magazine after its used...
Ayy
Drums seem to be used best by having one drum magazine loaded into the gun, and using regular box mags for your reloads. For example a D60 Magpul drum with 30 round PMAGs as reloads.
When you're out of ammo in the drum, where do you put it, you can't just throw it away, they are expensive.
@@justastickofbutter5547 a dump pouch would be a good option until you've got time to throw it in a pack, or come back and pick it up when you win.... or don't
@@justastickofbutter5547 If you need more than a drum magazine in a single self defense situation I don’t even wanna know who your making enemies with
@@justastickofbutter5547 That's a good point. I was really just saying if you are going to use a drum in the first place, it seems best to have just one drum magazine already loaded into the gun, and then have box magazines as reloads.
@@justsomecrazymexican I was thinking more in either a competition setting or actual combat.
Can't imagine how heavy the BAR would've been if they'd been issued drum magazines
19.4 lbs with 20rd mag.
Vanguard: boy do I have news for you!
50 rounds of 30-06, 240 grain slugs, 5.2 lbs + weapon (Just weighed the ammo since I have some on hand)
As a fixed/vehicle weapon, though.....it would have been perfect.
@@plushluigi7417 NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Drum magazines only make sense in computer games where you don't have to physically carry the ammo yourself.
Practically for both loading ammo in them and carrying them the stick mags are better; aesthetically the drum mags are just cool - on Thompson submachine gun drum mags look fucking awesome... at a range showing off drum is better; in combat stick is better
@@ts757arse man, loading them really is a pain too. Much worse than a stick mag if you have to keep doing it for a few hours, can say from experience.
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Ya because I don't wanna carry 600 7.62 mags
And 2 c4 with a rpg and 4 rpgs
Worked for the bank robbers in California's 44 minute stand off.
Everyone turns their head when I walk in with a sphere mag
🤣😂🤣😂🤣
LOL they're like "that ain't gonna roll."
Water gun
Yeah same but I was at school
I figured somebody would get _'ROUND_ to those eventually...😊
RPK Gunners in Chechnya would carry One Drum and Five Extended Mags. The drum would be their starter. The Zaslon units would do the same for their Alpha AK’s.
Do they store the drum mag in their backpack after?
Also you get 75 rounds instead of 100
My WW2 vet father carried both versions of Thompson and told me that the drum magazine was jam prone and made the gun too heavy. And pointless, because he said that it was almost always fired semi auto. Even with a Sten later, he said they were expected to fire three shot bursts.
And he is very right.
@@keithhagler502 No Truth Better Than Old Truth.
@@patrickshaw8595Well there is a Drum that can hold 1000 to over 2000 Rounds
Remember, switching to your secondary is faster than reloading.
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The drum mag manufacturers don't want you to know this!
Except I'm gonna have to reload sometime! Shut the hell up Corporal Dunn!!
In a videogame
Alejandro Cervantes that’s the joke bud
Throwing your primary is faster than switching to your secondary
It is hard to deny that a 1921 Thompson with a big ol' drum magazine has a cool factor that is off the charts.
I believe you......but my tommy gun don’t. 😂
Same with the PPSH
it's not the same without the drum
@@Dasding619 The Russian SMG I love that thing. Can’t believe that was a standard infantry weapon of the Red Army! Insane the gun had an RPM of 900-1000 RPM.
Totally agree. However gangsters rarely carried more than one mag. Cool as hell though
Suomi KP has the same thing.
Yeah, I remember old stories from WWII veterans about the PPSh drum magazines. Their nominal capacity was 71 round but it was impossible to load it to that number - the resistance of the spring became incredibly hard. If I recall the story correctly, no soldier in the field ever could get it to above 60, but even that was a record. Loading it to above 50% apparently felt like something is going to break - possibly your fingers.
Yep hence why they usually loaded them to 65 rounds
Imagine if a soldier actually loaded it all the way to 71, then a second later the spring just gave up and shot every single round out of the magazine and into the air
Not to mention that it was not recommended to put in more than 60 rounds, in order to avoid jamming the feed mechanism. Since the spring proved to be too powerful for the feed cycle
One slight correction: the Bren mk1 was capable of using a 100 round drum in the anti-aircraft role. It may not have been used much but it did exist
Did you say 100 pounds drum ?????
When pointed at infantry accuracy is negligible
So thats where vanguard got the idea!
Now, do you know of the 72r owen?
@@Briggsian arent those kinds of drums at least theorheticaly possible with modern technologies though? Sure they will be unreliable and horrible with 40s materials, but those are not factors considered in a videogame.
The owen drum is more interesting as the owen benefits greatly from gravaty helping the feed and the drum destroyes that completely. Puting a drum there does not make sense, even with modern designs.
@@neilgibbons2532 rounds
Me: “Drum magazines are awesome
Gun Jesus: “Drum magazines are unreliable”
Me: “Drum magazines are unreliable..”
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Pray to Gun jesus 🤧🙏🏽😅
I’ve went through plenty of drums no malfunctions
And He like literally nobody asked lol
Yeah, but you get that sicc meme cred with drums. And as well all know, meme cred is the best cred to have
"Drum Magazines are a Bad Idea"
MG36: "Alright, double-drums it is"
🙂
Not an issue as it melts before you can fire more than 30 rounds.
(It wasnt adopted by anyone btw, only a couple prototypes ever made)
You joined in 2007 cool!
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The Germans complained about the Soviet's higher capacity SMG but did not have to deal with the draw backs so it was easy to complain.
This is an old topic but it just came up in my feed. I'll add my two cents as I have sat in on discussions about this topic for military procurement. The perspective of serving members is mostly one of need. Our tactics are based in "effective use of fire suppression to win the firefight." If you are using small teams with fire and movement we learned in the last Afghan conflict it was better to have 30 shots of accurate volumes of fire than mag dumps using long sustained bursts. And if you don't need long sustained fire you don't need 10 lbs of ammo hanging on a weapon that will for the most part not be shot and just be carried on patrol all day. The other side of that is reloading in a sustained gunfight. The standard battle order is 5 mags and 5 additional boxes of clips(10 roundsx3/box) which you can pack in mags with a mag charger in seconds vs fiddling with spring mechanisms. There are a lot of ways to think about it. But from most field perspectives drums are bulky, heavy, hard to reload, and not needed for the roles that we are performing. We have belts for sustained fire and you just clip a belt together rather than pack a drum.
Did anyone else feel like he was having a talk with us? Like we disappointed him and he was giving us our last warning?
This! This is Golden!! Lulz
Not quite last warning but a good "telling off"
This video makes me feel like I'm in a principal or managers office honestly lmao
Okay, I won't buy anymore drum mags.... promise.
“They hated Jesus because he told them the truth.”
How to make drum magazines easier to carry:
1) Design to double as belt buckles.
2) Give to Texans.
I’m Texan, and I approve!
From Texas...this might only work outside the cities, unless the Houston Livestock Show & Rodeo is on, in which case you'd have a shit-ton of them in one place!
Does that mean you have to drop your pants when you reload?
@@Jrez Yes, it will show how manly you are
@@Jrez no. It means you have to pull the trigger when you pee.
It's also kind of awkward to use a drum with a bullpup style rifle.
Or something compact like a tec 9 and the glock
The biggest mag in a aug is for 42. No need for a drum
Imagine a BREN with a drum mag
I remember when I was younger I thought drums were cool. That quickly evaporated from my mind when I got a Thompson with a drum in my hands. There was no "correct" way to hold it without something pressing against the side of the drum (it had the blocky front hand guard, not the gangster grip).
Nowdays I'm even looking at 20 round mags as pretty viable.
The weird thing is I hated drums as a child(well mostly beta c mags)but now they look cool as hell...
As a percussionist,
I feel attacked
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*Laughs in brass*
Let me guess cause the title didn't clarify
Proceeds to hide Thompson drummag in drum to shoot up my school bullies
JK MAN DONT CALL THE POLICE!
Oh man, where did I leave my drummer joke book at?
Hello fellow percussionist!
For the MP40/I the real answer is actually: "Drums, despite being complicated, were too simple for the german engeneers.
So they came out with a weirder, more complicared and less effective idea"
Put 50 mm mortar in that list as well.
No doubt the Germans are a very bright, well disciplined and efficient people. This is shown in the MG42, a semi automatic rifle.
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Adam Lowe I feel like there’s something I missing to this joke...
referencing the double magazine well that made the gun weaker, heavier and only marginally improved reload speed/fire capacity?
Wait, can we just think about this guys? Imagine a 75 round drum mag, firing 30-06
Manly Weapon
I'm about ready to buy a drum magazine for my new AK-47, so I watched this video first. I understand the practicality of the box mags over the drum, and as an old soldier myself I get it. BUT, that said, the drum looks so damn cool on an AK. For range fire, it'll do just fine for me.
Update: Bought a KCI drum; all metal (I think there are some with a see-through). Loaded all 75 and took to the range with my Riley AK. Drum fit well, and I fired all rounds flawlessly. Drum did a great job. Very happy with that purchase!
Drums are cool just picked up a norinco drum
Stay away from the promag 50 round drum for the AK. It sucks.
Yeah I was gonna say I just bought 1. And everyone says it's hard to carry more than one, but I don't plan on carrying more than one, so I don't see the issue lol.
@@damienmccarty3795 Exactly, Run the drum as your first mag and reload with sticks
Everyone dumps on drum magazines until someone pins you down with one and closes in on your position with sustained fire.
Title: "Why drum magazines are a bad idea."
Me: *Sad AA 12 noises*
Did they remove drumform AA12? That takes every advantage of that shotgun...
I’d argue drums for shotguns can better be justified like clearing rooms, police use, riot control whatever
@@HQwalkingdead Yeah. Logic might say this or that but only thing I'd be more scared of in cqb range would be a damn flamethrower. Even severely nerfed versions in videogames are grossly OP.
Still not that practical.
That's it. We need a belt-fed AA-12!
I remember when the Nerf Raider came out and had the first ever Nerf drum mag. It held 35 rounds and weighed more than the gun itself. This thing not only failed to feed, it REFUSED to feed. The follower got stuck after each shot and the thing was basically unusable. So a pretty accurate representation of Hasbro's part
I had that drum some time ago, I hated it and opted for stick mags instead, my favorite stick mags are probably the 23 rd mag.
@@Razor-gx2dq 23rd? You mean 22rd?
@@yapflipthegrunt4687 Naw a company called Worker makes 23rd mags
The 25rd drum fixed most of the issues of the 35
I never had issues with my 35rd mags but I was also very particular about maintaining the quality of darts
My feeling is that drums are good for having one as your first mag thats in your gun while on patrol or standing guard so that when an engagement begins, It would be advantageous to be able to fire back with a lot of shots before you have to reload as you assess the threat and plan your response, but from there on out switch to box mags as the engagement continues.
This guy sounds crazy!! Drums are king if you’re not deployed to war. You would rather not have to deal with some robbers with 100 round drums
This is true but it makes sense why they don’t do that. Adds a lot of manufacturing complications as well as storage
Guard maybe, not on patrol, too heavy and awkward to carry.
Perfectly stated and how I would use one.
The only time I will "carry" a drum mag, even for a match, is when it is the very first mag used and already in the gun. Every other mag is a box mag
There are a lot of guitar magazines out there. I don't see why drum magazines would be bad
Bro get some help its not okay
@@Russel.Idrive Best response ever, thank you! :D
dad jokes vol. 1
Hahaaaaaa
My stupid ass actually went and checked what a guitar magazine looks like
50 rounds of 30-06 on a BAR?
Like that thing isn't heavy enough as it is.
Recoil removers.
Maybe on the new HCAR.
Weight of a BAR? ~19 pounds.
Weight of a single .30-06 cartridge? 0.921oz for non-AP M2 loads x 50 = 46.05oz = 2.8lbs
Weight of the drum = ??? - depends on what it's made out of and how, and could vary wildly, but I doubt it'd be more than 4lbs, tops.
...Not that much weight added to it, honestly. Take off the terrible and heavy bipod and it might even out, LOL.
@@matchesburn Weight of HCAR: 12 pounds
@@jeramyw
If that were available in 1942 or in 1918, sure.
I respect, understand, and acknowledge all of the downsides but im going to have to ignore them because of how iconic a Thompson with drum is.
Magazine guys: "watch how fast I can reload"
Drum guys (after 5 minutes of shooting): "what?"
Mag guy: look how easy it is to reload!
Drum guy on his 4th barrel and still the first drum: aight?
"Why didn't the BAR have a 50 round drum?"
Have these people ever carried hundreds of rounds of 30-06 Springfield??? That would be *stupid* heavy.
I am Heavy Weapons Guy... and this is my weapon.
Some people think they can outsmart me. Maybe... maybe. I've yet to meet one that can outsmart bullet.
The Indoor Outdoorsman exactly. The BAR is already a pretty damn heavy weapon to lug around. Over 20lbs loaded.
Its smart because you could drop it on the enemies head if you don't have time to reload
That was my first thought when he brought up a 50 round drum for the BAR.
Mags with equal capacity would actually be harder to carry... In real combat, you need the ammo, which would weigh the same itself.
I recall them changing the squad weapon of the marines. The marines at the time didn't care the mags were individually light. They complained about all the low capacity mags they'd have to deal with and repeatedly stop to reload. They mostly complained about how dead people would be, both from completely running out of ammo sooner and failing to cover even themselves while always reloading before that lovely doom.
Personally, nothing against drummers, but I prefer the guitar magazines.
Ehh bassist magazines are cooler but whatever
I'm not a fan of periodicals.
I like the piano Mags
Ba-dum-tish🥁
Jmatt, you gotta get them 400 round piano mags
This also applies to bigger guns, the soldiers using the 20 mm Oerlikon AA guns during WW2 complained a lot about the drum mags these were using, and that's why the Oerlikon's successor - the Polsten was capable of using new box magazines
A 30rd drum magazine for a semi-automatic shotgun can be VERY useful.
I had to take a confirmed magazine that fit, cut out the part that fit, then remove the Pro-Mag 25rd (it has 3 spacers you can remove for 28 plus leave a little magazine for 2-3 more. I used regular JB Weld to attach the magazine that fits my shotty, that i sawed off to attach to the drum so it would fit. Rock and Roll-uh
The B.A.R. deserved a 30-06 chain and we know it...
Yeah it looked more like a sniper rifle than a machine gun.
You are right, and the Garand should have come with the 20 round box magazine.
@@Adiscretefirm But with that, we would lose the ping.
B.A.R. with a belt wound last a few hours at best before the barrel is gone to the scrap heap. Replacing barrel on the B.A.R. is a shop operation so it is a very bad idea. Equipping a b.a.r. with a quick change barrel would change the design so much it wouldn't be the same gun. Any gun offered to the military for shooting trials at that time with a quick-change barrel would not have entered into the competition because it did not fit the specifications. Sometimes spray-and-pray is not the best tactic.
@@thomaslemay8817 if the germans could use the mg42 with an interchangeable barrel then so can we
I accidentally picked up a land mine I thought it was my drum magazine
Ah yes, 7,55 mm explosive round
I always think about that finish guy with mines all over him
@@abk4202020 he was a boss wasnt he (nods head aggressively in agreement)
Well I thought it was weird I was shooting explosive rounds out of my AK 😂
I guess you're typing with your toes now
DAMN - I always wondered why drums weren't more widely used. Turns out, the answer is pretty obvious. Thanks Ian - another nugget of firearms history GOLD!!
It comes down to," have you ever owned/used a drum?"
Get one and tote it to the range, fire it, and reload it.
Then go home and display it on the shelf.
You make some compelling arguments, but you forget:
Drum Mags are cool af.
Yeah, but war itself is shit from the begining.
Might as well end it as fast and efficiantly as possible.
They're intimidating until you realize they jam every other round & you can take a couple well aimed shots to put the guy with the drum out of commission
Let me see you load 10 drum magazines by hand. 50 bullet ones.
@@BrunodeSouzaLino you only need one to the head to kill someone. If you need that much ammo loaded in your gun then why not just learn to shoot better and not waste so much ammo. A sniper on the battlefield is far scarier than some dude with a drum mag so much so that only someone with a belt fed 50 cal machine gun is considered its equal.
Personally I'd be more terrified of the guy who can pot shot me at 900 yards with iron sights then some Rambo just running around spraying.
You're all missing the point:
The solution is obviously a tetrahedronic prism structure.
Ladies, ladies. The solution is more obviously an icosahedronical structure. It's simply more reliable
Just throw out the magazine entirely and carry your ammunition individually.
Jack Pacheco big brain
No, the true solution is a double drum magazine (beta c-mag) but redesign the feed mechanism to look like an infinity symbol. It'll give you infinite ammo. 😂
@@DarthDragon007 that would be perfect with a short barrel m231 firing port weapon.
I love those hilarious videos of people showing off their AR/AR pistols and they have like a 100 round drum mag on it
Thompson 100 round Drum Magazine: Heavy, Large to Carry, but when it was empty you got yourself a Frying Pan for the Field^^ Gotta make Friends with your fellow Soilders (Just kidding)
A good wardrum can bring good moral to the men. Never underestimate the musicians job in a company
King Peter please, it was a different drums XD
@@fadhli179 whoooosh
But what if instead of playing a round drum, you give him a peruvian box.
I know we are all joking here, but African Djembe's were used specifically as signaling devices during battle. Ingenious. Like a horn, whistle, bugle, conch, and shofar. Directing troop movements through music. Moar Dakka!!!
Two snare drums and a symbol fall out of a tree.
Hollywood: this sign won’t stop me because I can’t read.
Zoomie for some reason i think they really never cared for accuracy
@@Sparticulous have you seen older movies? Man reloading was never a thing back then.
@@MausOfTheHouse the old Rambo days lmao
@@space_racc yes.
@John Covington for tension moments.
Thanks! I’ll remember this for school tomorrow
Thank you for sharing your knowledge
Drums weren't intended for carrying, drums were usually for people staying in one spot who could have more drums next to them
pretty much sums it all up right there!
True
Drums were great in defense usually in the case where the enemy was charging in and you could spray people down without running out
Facts
But at the same time you dont know when or if you have to dip out on a 1sec notice .
Once you have unloaded your thompson's magazine upon the enemy, eject and grasp your drum magazine and end them rightly.
Skallagrim? Is that you?
I'd prefer a pommel any day
@@fanrik9583a pommel is superior to a drum mag but you fight with weapons you have not the ones you want
Throw it like a frisbee
@@SuperDeadzombeh But Santa promised...
Nice info. Would have been nice to add pictures or examples of all the stick and drum mags.
This is the most simple yet complex answer I had received on a subject I had no idea I’d ever need
When Ian is posting from his office chair things get serious
He's speaking _ex cathedra_.
"I've called you into my office to have a talk... Close the door and sit down, please"
"This person had a japanese girl for an avatar"
Now you've done it!
I'm gonna run a complicated drum mag on my obsolete bolt action
Internal drum magazine.
*bullpup bolt action
My Mosin needs this
**Bolt action except you modified a system that allows the bolt to work on its own, effectively creating a semi-automatic repeater, yet it still has its bolt action and drum
Actually Steyr Mannlicher built bolt action hunting rifles with drum magazines. They are simple, reliable and easy to carry. Their capacity isn´t exactly high though (around 5 rounds depending on the caliber).
Drums have a purpose - obviously box mags are better for almost ALL applications. But drums are useful even if impractical in all other ways. For ambush or counter-ambush (as the first mag) they are fantastic. The best way to use a drum is have it in the gun already - then go to one of your many, compact, backup stick mags on your body.
Better to carry mags/ammo and reload.
There is a critical area he overlooked when telling us why drums are bad, and that is an area known as FUN.
I feel like I just got called to the principals office and had a long talk with him.
Fuck. Yea Same mate
Stolen
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How the riots doing for ya'll Antifa copycats!
True american school principal. Educating students on what's best to take to school
Walk in to shoot up the school with drum magazines but then he calls you in to his office to bollock you for not using box magazines
When we were using RPK in action in 90's, we fit drums for start, but the aditional rounds we carried were all in standard AK "bananas".
RPKs in the 90s, I'm guessing you fought against the chetnik goons in Yugoslav wars?
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@@agrameroldoctane_66 was it maybe in Zagora on the source of Cikola river 🤣🤣🤣
Edit: Huh nobody got it
This makes the most sense to me. Have a high capacity magazine to start off, and fall back to your lower capacity stick mags after thats used up.
@@lk6912 no need to convolute the logistics. The military already has a hard enough time as it is on supply chains, extra components are just unnecessary.
Thanks Ian, great explanation!
would love some archive pics of those drums
Drum magazine in theory: looks cool, you can spray hot lead all over the place!
Reality: Heavy, takes forever to reload, rattles like a bucket full of marbles, prone to jamming at the worst possible time.
Reload doesn't take that much longer than a normal magazine
@Jordan B. Peterson's Pet Communist Lobster modern drum magazines are just long and circular boxes, so they don't have a uniquely horrible reloading process
@@test_dude it does! I can reload 30s with my fast loader in a instant. Would like to see you do this with a drum.
@@test_dude the Magpul 60rd drum for the AR has this horrible ratcheting lever that you have to use to put the spring under tension to insert rounds. Loading it is a pain in the ass, unloading it without damaging it is even worse. The benefits of having 2x the ammo in one case do NOT outweigh the disadvantages.
@@erebostd there is a difference in loading and reloading. You LOAD or mag, but RELOAD your weapon. The RELOAD is only a few seconds longer, but that is duable for drums that have more than double the capacity. LOADING the drum indeed takes much longer than a stick mag
PPsh-41 drum: I assume you want to hold the trigger for longer than you can blink
I shot one full auto and it was amazing...like a laser beam...
@@phizix666 I have a Tokarev in 7.62x25 and wow, thats a hot round! Even has slightly better performance than .45 acp.
The Red army developed it to penetrate through thick German coats and other 'things' that might get in the way of a meaty target (canteens, radios, belts, etc).
@@longbow6416 Generally speaking, the 45 ACP delivers superior muzzle energy and terminal ballistics (around double) over the 7.62 Tokarev weight over weight.
For instance when using similar (but even slightly heavier) grain projectiles it also beats the 7.62 Tokarev in velocity (again around double).
The difference is that the 85 grain Tokarev in 1942 had superior performance in penetration and slightly better overall energy than the 1942 USGI .45 ACP with its heavy 230 grain bullet. Energy and penetration favoring velocity.
But a simple lowering in projectile weight of the .45 acp (even shaving off just 30 grains) changed all of that. Not factoring things like +P loads.
Yes drums are bad except this
Ppsh is the ultimate weapon,behind m16,ak47,g3,mp5
@@getmeoutofsanfrancisco9917"A modern .45 using modern powder outperforms a WW2 milsurp 7.62" no shit
Haven't heard the weight distribution argument. I believe a fully loaded drum magazine would awkwardly drag your vest or belt downwards in one specific place. Now with regular box magazines, you can evenly distribute the weight, placing smaller packs of ammo in different parts of your gear
I think the weight of the drum magazine was a big issue, too. You really wonder how much the drum magazine affected the performance of the PPsh 41.
The real solution is to just hook it up to the machine that manufactures the ammo. Come on guys, think outside the box for once.
I think on top of the box like a boxspring mattress
badum tss
Factorio strats
A year later, I finally figured out the solution: To develop a quantum mechanical drum (QC Drum), where a combination of quantum superposition and quantum tunneling enables a functionally unlimited amount of ammunition, stored and prepped in a far away, secure location, to instantly appear inside the rotation of the QC Drum as the operator is pulling the trigger. The QC Drum device can be removed for maintenance or recharging, but it will simply be loaded in the firearm before the fight, be activated by the selector switch, and begin quantum transference of ammo as soon as the operator starts firing and the quantum superposition sensors note that ammunition must be tunneled from the storage location to the connected QC Drum. Science, amarite?
What? 🤨 Hale yeeah I’m serious... I didn’t sound like it? Well, shit... I ain’t no Einstein.
@RadBaeron quantum tunnel all the bad guys away boom fight is over
You shoud have done this monologue while loading a drum mag It would be so cool and self explaining
[Takes out 75rd 7.62x39 AK drum magazine]
[Pops latches on back cover]
[Quickly pack in rounds]
[Close back cover]
[Wind for a few seconds]
[Is done before Ian makes his first point]
@@matchesburn You have ignited my interest in an AKM. AK stick mags with that ridge on the back piss me off for some reason, so I've written them off. A drum that doesn't suck (beyond what's described in this vid) would solve that problem nicely.
matchesburn [can only carry 2-3 per person compared to 8 with the 40 round box magazines]
@@homemadetech5712 wasnt his point but ok
@@jimmytehgeek Chinese magazines have a flat back, as well as most polymer and bakelite magazines for the rifle.
Another issue is in the heat of battle an enemy round that strikes the drum (without taking out the operator) takes out 50 or more rounds from your combat load instead of 20 or 30 rounds with a box magazine. Believe it or not this happens far more often in pitched battles than one would believe!😮
This is probably especially true because of how gigantic drums are for how much ammo they hold, yeah?
I think drums are stupid. Aim better.
We’re not in Afghanistan!!!! Drum is king in real life
"Drums? This is war, not an orchestra"
"This is brilliant!" *points at box mag*
"But I like this" *points at drum mag*
Other way around would make sense
I think that would actually be Clarkson’s opinion lol
@@daffiid Clarkson...as in Jeremy Clarkson?
@@daffiid Nah mate. He would probably like helical mags.
@@clintcannon1902 its a Clarkson quote.
Hear me out "belt fed PPSh-41". All the style, all the dakka, but gloriously simple.
MNK 90 Paint it red so it shoots faster
Just weld two PPSh’s together, double the dakka
PPSH runs out of ammo only when Stalin says its allowed to run out of ammo
Make it twin linked too!
Just attach the entire bullet factory to it
This just popped up for me in CZcams. My first thought was, "Ooo, I am sending this to my old drummer!". Then I noticed it was your channel. Still sending it to my old drummer.
Safety: the spring of drum is stronger. Can produce detonation if you release the feed button violently (one inch or more espace between bullet and surface). This warning comes in the box when you buy it.
I am a drummer.
The video thumbnail just said "why drums are bad"
Relief of my life
omg same
"Gun Jesus reviews instruments"
is this Plan B when he ever runs out of Forgotten Weapons? xP
@@lolfunacount He would switch to forgotten instruments?
Same lol, thought the video was about music
I own one drum mag for my AK's, it spends most of its life unloaded and forgotten in a bag in my closets, but when I take a picture of any AK you know it has the drum mag instead of the 30 rounder locked in. Best 89 dollars ever spent at a pawn shop.
Must be a Russian drum. My Chinese is fully loaded but the spring isn't wound. I wind it up when I think I might use it. I have a photo of myself with an AK and the drum. Caption: I have 75 chances at 1MOA!
This is the proper use of a drum magazine.
I appreciate your knowledge of firearms. Did learn something. Very cool.
The advantage it gives you is useful in some cases. I Used one on a Norinco that was made by Norinco and it ran great. I paid $35 for it. Now a Drum costs $120 to $180 and carries roughly 50 rounds. If you need a lot of ammo on tap without a belted ammo source a Drum is the best bet. In CQC you can round a corner firing, you are firing while the enemy is reloading, you are pouring in rounds while your enemy is crapping themselves. Carrying it is the only issue.
Long story short:
Drums are good for sustained fire with minimal reloading from a stationary position.
Drums are bad in any situation that requires mobility.
Well yes but actually no.
Drums jam easy so you can't sustain fire either, so you have to "reload" the same drum every 15-20 round anyway. :(
Possibly, but if you're going to be stationary while shooting, may as well have a belt feed.
Well said
Wouldnt belt take more time to reload than drum mags?
@@benayakeenanhutagalung9798 depends on the type of gun. I've seen a multi crew served M2 be fully reloaded in five seconds. Now a SAW is a bit trickier to reload but it's not as bad as you'd think. With practice it becomes reflex and muscle memory just like a stick magazine.
Any Tarkov Player: "they have a really high ergonomics penalty!"
u r a really funny man
Take reddit gold yes
I bet you a majority of people watching this video think they know a lot about this stuff because they play Tarkov
@@X-900 Tarkov's been ruined by becoming popular
Vegas Papp dumbest shit I ever heard
@@vegaspapp339 Lol get back to having to wait 10 hours to find a server and/or play only with bots
I had a blast carrying 4*60 round drum mags plus 30 stick magazines and running through multiple engagements with c8. The drum magazines I carried in a small medic pack on top of my webbing. It was very convenient and was able to stuff the empty drums back in the bag no muss no fuss.
Thank you Ian
"Belt infrastructure" I love it. Gonna start using it when someone calls me fat. "No, I've invested in belt infrastructure!"
...good point, LOL..!!!
Adipose infrastructure
@@IamTheGoatstroker - It doesn't build up; it builds OUT.
I’m taking that joke.
Well now I have to steal thisp
“It’s a bad idea”
“Yeeaaah, but-“
Newt On one hand, rule of cool. On the other, it’s a bad idea.
The military uses sissy 30 and 40 round magazines
@@MythagoWoods I read that some units that Used the M4 or M16 (or the local variant ) had a semi policy of everyone carried Stick/box mag then one soldier carried in the rifle loaded one and this is the only Drum mag the unit had more or less (might be a extra on the ammo carriers backpack or in some truck/APC or that) the ide was that they would during a attack/defense have one soldier start the battle whit a 75 drum mag or what it now was then swift to regular box mags to temporary go from one LMG to two giving a small edge or from zero to one.
Aktually
During the 90s I've seen only once sb having a drum mag - but never ever on the field. standard was a normal 30 rds mag
I'd like to hear what people think about the pmag d60 or even just the 40 round pmag tbh
What about them?
The whole gangster gimmick is based 75% on a drum magazine Thompson
It’s not a gimmick g
@@Mackensp99 gimmicks, looks, appereances, oufits... whatever you wanna call it
Drum mag Thompson is mostly used in mafias like the fedora mafias
You just cant give someone the Don's regards without a drum. It's not the same
In Ganster use, drum magazines are highly effective though, as you only need that one mag to do your job.
Just like the PP19 for police
I only like drums as a flex against the local range brass goblin.
Yes, under rated comment.
Remember, kids: don't feed the Fudds.
A flex how so?
That’s why I use an ak with the shittiest steel jacket ammo and only use my brass jackets at my own range
All the old geezers try and take my brass every time I go to the range. Like seriously, at least ask me if I’m going to reload it first or something.
I like how Battlefield 2042 handles this, by only giving you one drum mag reserve if you equip drum mags, meaning you usually have to carry box mags as well for extended engagements because you have exponentially more reserve ammo with the box mags than you do with the drum mags.
I would think to a have a some sort of satchel that attaches to the hip snuggly to easily carry
Drum mags are bad? Alright, I believe you. But my Tommy gun don’t!
The British army abandoned using Tommy guns with drum magazines in WW2 because they were too noisy on patrols.
Breadfan93 Baby, Im over the moon for you!
Sticks look better on the thompson in my opinion
The drum just looks classic. I prefer the stick mag also though
Keep the change, ya filthy animal.
Drums look better with the vertical grip, sticks look better with the flat grip IMO.
Ian: Drum mags are too complicated
Suomi KP 31: * laughs in quadruple stack box magazine *
@@lostalone9320 yeah one bump in mag and all ammo is mess inside of a mag
as a machine gunner i can tell you, carrying the 200rd boxes were similar to possibly carrying drum mags. from a carrying stand point, drums wouldnt be much different than boxes for anything in a light machine gun role. and if i was a BAR gunner, i honestly would appreciate more than 20 rounds at a time. but for a mobile battle rifle or smg role drums would be awkward, and a pain in the ass. it sucked in iraq with multiple boxes on my gear, i could only imagine being a thompson gunner and having to carry 3-5 drums. if you are on the run all the time box mags rock. as a stationary LMG, drums would be preferable at times. but complexity is a different ossue
everybody gangster till i pull up with a triangular prism mag
Remember throwing your gun at the enemy is faster than reloading and switching to your secondary gun
Technically, throwing the pommel of your sword is the way to finish your opponent rightly.
(If you don’t know where that’s from, I’m quoting someone else)
ok john wick
Can anyone confirm this??
@@rpm6085 For Honor player? No way
Borderlands:
I like the guy. He knows a lot without appearing arrogant. Good specialist. Keep on so.
Unlike the guy from TFB TV
I have 6 75round drums, with 341 CK's. I love the drum.
I have emptied the drum on a Thompson , it was a lot of fun