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It's weird how things have gone. If you told someone in the early 90s that, in 25 years, IBM wouldn't even be making consumer tech anymore and Apple would be one of the biggest companies on Earth, they would have told you you're crazy.
Imagine this happens now and someone from the future came and told google doesn't even exist anymore.
actually it's typical of large mature companies. they sold their consumer divisions because profits were declining every year
@@sahilbaori9052 I doubt thats gonna happen since Google itself is a huge brand. The company however could go anywhere
@@kurorolucifer7351 Google began sowing the seeds of their own demise when they ditched the "don't be evil" motto...a motto increasingly inconsistent with their actions.
@@sahilbaori9052 yeah, who knows mayne in a decade or so they would be leaked to be using humans as test subject for half-robot parts
This video comes out and today is my first week working at IBM. What a week.
Congrats!
Welcome
Do you work for a recently purchased consulting firm that starts with a T?
GBS?
I am in IBM since 5 years. Welcome .
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Same here, best dinner of the week so far
@Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ That's not the point my love.
One of the biggest causes of IBM’s downfall is they chose , CEOs with MBA degrees who worked in other fields besides technology instead of their tech seniors
Agreed. If you want to cripple a company put an accountant in charge who doesn't understand the customer's needs and how that business meets them.
Yeah, it seems like a big part of it was going for titles instead of innovation
@@darrinheaven4643 the main product in tech industry is « the risk » .
You make the product or the solution for free to download and be used by millions around the world and make it popular among developers and small businesses , but for multi billion corporations who wants to assure that the product is not going to crash at any moment and preserve their data ,you sell them the enterprise edition which it grants the product support
IBM accountants didn’t understand this equation while other companies like oracle, Microsoft ,Redhat ... did ,and made all their tech solutions comes in community and enterprise editions
This is also what happened with Intel.
@@hamzanajji8615 I don't know of "Windows, Community Edition".
I work with IBM technology in enterprise environments. It's a completely different market. Unfortunately, consumer technology now dominates the mindset of executives, including those employed in companies with enterprise technology. That infection is problematic and even threatens security. There's a reason IBM stepped back from consumer technology. It's important that enterprise grade technology not be tainted by consumer mentality.
That makes a lot of sense. Just because they chose not to delve into pc's and cell/smart phones doesn't mean they tried to and fail. I wouldn't be surprised if they own stocks in the big tech companies either.
So true, hence IBM’s strategic investments in the security space
Wise words.
Also.. IBM is huge into asian banks with blockchain.. IBM blockchain for many industry also, is very innovative and years ahead of most others in blockchain technology for society. Especially for food and farming.
IBM Watson is also much more intelligent than most other Ai systems of 2020 era.
What do you think about the move over to the MASSIVE L2 cache? Seems interesting
@@Derty_the_grower Ah, I didn't know about the block-chain thing. That's so far on the other side of the business from where I am. Much thanks.
When MBAs start taking over and engineering excellence is trashed. It happened at HP.
It's the same story for gaming companies as well. A lack of passion among leadership along with the desire for short-term profit growth.
Shakespeare revised: "The first thing we do, let's kill all the MBAs."
Notice how AMD turned around when they put an actual engineer as their CEO.
Granted the previous CEO wasn't an MBA, but the point stands. Put people in charge that specialize in what the company does.
@@MatthewStinar - The most useless people in a company. They don't know jackshit about a company or how it functions. An MBA degree, is for people specialising in management, the theory is they can be put anywhere in any field, independent what that field is, without having knowledge of it and manage it.
Time and time again, this has proven to be bullshit, but it continues, because business types always look after their own.
@@arn1345 HP is a shadow of its former self, after all the engineering was dumped in favor of becoming just a name for buying and selling tech companies. All that engineering knowledge lost forever.
Patents yes. I worked at an IBM location a while ago, and they give large bonuses when a patent is awarded. And, that did happen where I was working.
re: "large bonuses"
The bonuses were not that large. I recall you got an award for the first patent filed and then awards only at a plateau level.
@@moobiemaykker9639 Patent bonuses at IBM were never large per patent. If you had lots of them and combined the bonuses you might be able to consider it large in summation. The plateau bonuses were a thing - partly cash and partly swag.
Former IBM-er here. Not sure how large they were in your division, but when I saw there were offering literally 1k USD for the first patent (later increased to 1.5k), no matter what you actually would come up with....uhh, no. :)
Though we were treated as a "cost center" from the start, and our band levels were lower than actually "possible" in the "true" IBM, so...
It's just sad to see how many gave out their best, most productive years and hearts, being stuck at "junior" levels for years - to get some decent offer only after they send in their resignation. And even then, the proposal would be at 50-60% of what the other companies were offering. :-/
Then you look up said patent and its some random crap that serves virtually no purpose.
Lies again? UFC WWE IBF Department Of Justice
I work in engineering at a software firm, and we still use Fortran extensively. Most of our solvers are still written and updated in Fortran, and some parts still use FORTRAN 66 syntax
Is it faster than C? And easier than assembly?
Wow
Never learned it in tech school, but my boomer dad learned it when he went to college, ha.
@@houssamalucad753 Fortran is easier than C and around the same speed.
How's it compare to other scientific languages like Julia? I honestly thought the industry was moving towards Python/Julia type things these days. Edit: Ah it's compiled, that's a major advantage of Fortran.
Current IBM: 80% legal dept, 20% R&D.
Administrators and bureaucrats stymie innovation and creativity by imposing order and control.
And no where did I see this more than with IBM in the late 80s and early 90s!
I was there in their IBM Operating System division Austin, Texas. Their operating system was competing with Microsoft at the time - And we know who won that race.
Walking down the halls at IBM revealed the cancer that had devoured the entire company. All the people walked like zombies, holding a creepy blank stare as they slowly shuffled aimlessly down the halls. I have never seen anything quite like that to this day.
I was closest to the teams that fielded troubleshooting calls from customers. IBM hired street temps to handle those calls! Totally uneducated and largely untrained people were in charge of helping people over the phone whose computers were hanging due to some software and/or hardware failure. Who the hell was running the show over there?!
Humanity is a strange phenomenon to me whereby "Kings wear no clothes" - yet everyone does whatever they are told under the color of authority. Like the useless Rama X, the King of Thailand, the highest executives - despite being feeble minded - get all the wealth and glory.
We see this today in corporate life and the governance of countries: men whose inability is as vast as their wealth, power and privilege running the show!
There are many bogus career tracks whose functions merely require hubris, bravado, mendacity, and lack of conscience:
Bureaucrats, administrators, corporate executives and board members, academic instructors, music maestros, politicians, clergymen, managers, law enforcement, corporate chiefs, actors, salesmen, religious leaders & evangelicals, etc.
They are hired or elected not based upon technical or functional ability, but simply their ability to “look & act” the part!
It is for this very reason that con's, inept's, and those seeking unearned power & self-aggrandizement are fundamentally the ONLY people to hold those positions in life: People who are utterly incapable of holding any job that actually requires skill!
Consider the perennially bankrupt Donald Trump: his value is not based upon his functional abilities, education or management savvy, (my Uncle was his chief accountant at the TajMahal), but rather his Hollywood image! Even though the CIA was using the Taj to launder drug money the casino collapsed. {The BCCI bank had closed at the time following Congressional hearings thus ending the CIA's ability to launder its drug money. Trumps Taj just filled the void - Similar to Atlantis Casino Resort Spa today. See Mary Carter Resorts Study (1994) or Evidentiary Realism (page 35)[2] and this article NY Times [1], SEC lawsuit findings [3]}
[1] www.nytimes.com/2016/06/12/nyregion/donald-trump-atlantic-city.html
[2] books.google.dm/books?id=2vSRDwAAQBAJ&pg=PA35&lpg=PA35&dq=trump+taj+mahal+cia+money&source=bl&ots=vKUS76dqGU&sig=ACfU3U01VQyTbDucYm2uFNpgNPZCIrjk2Q&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwizyZW2kZvqAhVBKa0KHdnQAdcQ6AEwDXoECAkQAQ#v=onepage&q=trump%20taj%20mahal%20cia%20money&f=false
[3] www.sec.gov/foia/docs/trump-hotels-and-casino-resorts-inc.pdf
Yes, the lawyers and the MBAs love looking after their own and are a pox on any engineering-based organisation. They see STEM as threat and a necessary evil.
@@markhuntermd Lots people got their start working at IBM as a temp. IBM got so big they couldn't find an effective workforce. That's obviously one of many problems they had. The way IBM treats their customers, like hostages, and puts untrained temp workers subcontractors on critical projects in healthcare and telcomms is pretty horrible.
@@samuelclemens6841 - Very interesting thoughts! I very much enjoyed reading your words!
The Great irony is that IBM was actually in a good position to create cloud computing. They had mainframes and Power PC architecture.
They didn’t see it until it was too late. Desktop hardware had advanced to the point that terminal computer systems were obsolete except in mainframe and select government applications where confidentiality was needed, but otherwise, the move towards cloud computing was not something they foresaw until Apple, Google, and Microsoft had already locked down the market. They also didn’t have the hardware like Apple did or the software like Google did.
Basically what their company did was hire a bunch of second rate MBAs who just did what they learned in school - slash and burn the company until nothing was left. They don’t create value for anyone except themselves. GM, Ford, Chrysler, Pan Am, IBM, the industrial giants of the 20th century vanished before they knew what had happened. 😊
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You glossed over the entire point of how competing manufacturers reverse engineered the original IBM PC hardware to sell their own clones. That had more to do with IBM's downfall in that market than Microsoft writing software. "Today everyone should have an IBM PC in their home".. Well, most of us non-Apple-users use IBM compatibles and I'm writing this comment on one, so.. ;)
That is true. That's why many computers in the 80s were called IBM PC clones. In fact, the term PC is based on IBM. You could probably draw a throughline from that first IBM PC to modern x86 PCs because of the proliferation of DOS then Windows.
True, BUT, considering that would've happened anyway, the one thing you can 'lock in' your customers with is the operating system.
Actually, all the Macs sold from 2006 until the new M1 Macs are IBM compatible, which is why you can run Bootcamp and Windows on them.
I wonder what would've happened if IBM had gone after the IBM PC clone makers like Apple went after their clone market and got it shutdown.
@@Nabeelco Indeed, good point!
As a kid I always thought IBM stood for International Ballistic Missile...
Man this is hilarious 😂🤣
You're thinking of ICBM
As a Kid why would someone think about missiles ? Liar
@@krish5445 more like what kind of kid does NOT think of missiles 😂
You're thinking of ICBM and it is "Intercontinental Ballistic Missile" 🤣
IBM not forcing Microsoft to make Windows proprietary for their machines was probably ultimately better for the industry as a whole. If it had happened we'd either have dozens of different computers using incompatible operating systems, makign software development a pain, or IBM having a monopoly on the computer market.
I know that software development used to be a headache like that, but thats not how its done today; You write the code, compile that code for your target enviroment and expose whatever functionality your app has in that enviroment through the manufacturer's APIs. There are so many tools available today, we rarely have to build something from the ground and its very hard not to find options (Unless you are doing groundbreaking work).
@@kahaneck wouldn't that maybe be be ause windows isn't proprietary? Idk I'm just curious
Or we'd have had linux adoption at an earlier stage, lol
IBM got snookered and refused to admit it. After all, IBM had (and still has) more lawyers than engineers and could actually have done something about it. But, those lawyers worked for the Mainframe side who could care less about "toy computers"...
That doesn’t make it less of a mistake on their part.
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What I've been seeing is IBM holding on to a business model, which they've dominated in for a very long time, which involves both consulting and implementation of business solutions. That is, customers come to them, tell them what they need and build it (and typically maintain it). However, this does not mean they are resistant to the emerging business model (hah, it's here already), which involves selling computing capacity (cloud computing), and then training/certifying professionals to build the solutions, as either an employee in an enterprise environment or in a consultancy for enterprise environments. IBM supports this model to the extent that it trains/certifies professionals to work with their technology. But, they've yet to make a big splash in selling computing capacity as a service the way we see in cloud computing. Whether they get away with this remains to be seen. If not, it'll be a very slow death, because they are really good at what they do, despite the blunders with consumer technology. There were lots of entrenched companies that failed to see the writing on the wall.
I have seen some instances of IBM being involved with blockchain technology.
Administrators and bureaucrats stymie innovation and creativity by imposing order and control.
And no where did I see this more than with IBM in the late 80s and early 90s!
I was there in their IBM Operating System division Austin, Texas. Their operating system was competing with Microsoft at the time - And we know who won that race.
Walking down the halls at IBM revealed the cancer that had devoured the entire company. All the people walked like zombies, holding a creepy blank stare as they slowly shuffled aimlessly down the halls. I have never seen anything quite like that to this day.
I was closest to the teams that fielded troubleshooting calls from customers. IBM hired street temps to handle those calls! Totally uneducated and largely untrained people were in charge of helping people over the phone whose computers were hanging due to some software and/or hardware failure. Who the hell was running the show over there?!
Humanity is a strange phenomenon to me whereby "Kings wear no clothes" - yet everyone does whatever they are told under the color of authority. Like the useless Rama X, the King of Thailand, the highest executives - despite being feeble minded - get all the wealth and glory.
We see this today in corporate life and the governance of countries: men whose inability is as vast as their wealth, power and privilege running the show!
There are many bogus career tracks whose functions merely require hubris, bravado, mendacity, and lack of conscience:
Bureaucrats, administrators, corporate executives and board members, academic instructors, music maestros, politicians, clergymen, managers, law enforcement, corporate chiefs, actors, salesmen, religious leaders & evangelicals, etc.
They are hired or elected not based upon technical or functional ability, but simply their ability to “look & act” the part!
It is for this very reason that con's, inept's, and those seeking unearned power & self-aggrandizement are fundamentally the ONLY people to hold those positions in life: People who are utterly incapable of holding any job that actually requires skill!
Consider the perennially bankrupt Donald Trump: his value is not based upon his functional abilities, education or management savvy, (my Uncle was his chief accountant at the TajMahal), but rather his Hollywood image! Even though the CIA was using the Taj to launder drug money the casino collapsed. {The BCCI bank had closed at the time following Congressional hearings thus ending the CIA's ability to launder its drug money. Trumps Taj just filled the void - Similar to Atlantis Casino Resort Spa today. See Mary Carter Resorts Study (1994) or Evidentiary Realism (page 35)[2] and this article NY Times [1], SEC lawsuit findings [3]}
[1] www.nytimes.com/2016/06/12/nyregion/donald-trump-atlantic-city.html
[2] books.google.dm/books?id=2vSRDwAAQBAJ&pg=PA35&lpg=PA35&dq=trump+taj+mahal+cia+money&source=bl&ots=vKUS76dqGU&sig=ACfU3U01VQyTbDucYm2uFNpgNPZCIrjk2Q&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwizyZW2kZvqAhVBKa0KHdnQAdcQ6AEwDXoECAkQAQ#v=onepage&q=trump%20taj%20mahal%20cia%20money&f=false
[3] www.sec.gov/foia/docs/trump-hotels-and-casino-resorts-inc.pdf
@@markhuntermd You probably won't be surprised to hear that IBM outsourced PC maintenance to the lowest bidder. As techs, we were supposed to send our field PCs to them for repair. (We didn't or at least I didn't - I asked the PC side for the part and fixed it myself.)
Meanwhile, Dell outsourced repairing their customers' PCs to IBM techs. (Our PC field techs were very good.)
The outsourced low bidder techs were so bad that at one point, marketing almost lost a $3M contract because a college kept sending PCs in for repair and they'd come back still broken.
Their solution was to send me four hours one way away from my customers to run a meeting at 9 a.m. once a week assuring them that we would bring our IBM PC techs in and get all their issues repaired on-site.
Why I got sent I don't know. Couldn't they have had a local PC tech run these meetings if marketing wasn't willing? I wasn't a PC tech -- I was a mainframe tech who happened to work on PCs because they were used as the consoles of mainframes.
@@Growmap - Thank you for sharing this fascinating info!
The USA corporate world sucks because of monopolization and being able to solicit unearned money on the public stock market. Thus, they are not subject to competition (challenging market forces) and balancing their budgets.
We saw the same with the US Steel industry, and later the car industry.
In the end, hard working foreigners produce better product. And even with massive tariffs (eg Reagan's massive motorcycle tariff to protect AMC/Harley), American industry fails!
Investing in companies should not be based upon a public stock market; but rather private contract and pursuant to actual performance.
The US Government must stop protecting zombie companies (and banks).
But you know that won't happen. I voted with my feet and left the USA for good. Best decision of my life.
@@markhuntermd I agree with you except for steel. US Steel was far superior to imported steel. You can easily see that in rural America.
Old structures with US steel roofs are in good shape while newer buildings with imported steel roofs are entirely covered in rust.
Lenovo's purchase of IBM's PC business is still one of the best purchases ever. Doubled down on years of R & D.
However the first new thinkpad series after Lenono took over where pretty bad.
I love my t440s AMD however :)
It's a shame you didn't discuss the mistakes IBM made in the 90s, 00s and 10s.
For example Lotus Notes, their PowerPC chips, how they lost the database market to Oracle, or how they missed the cloud.
As a former IBM employee, I'm a big fan of Lotus Notes. However, MS Office suite, along with Sharepoint and web-based application hosting services has rendered Lotus Notes and more importantly, Domino, no longer relevant!
IBM IS RED HAT LINUX IT IS JUST ANOTHER LENUX VENDOR SELLING ITS VERSION OF LINUX. THEIR ARE HUNDREDS OF FREE VERSIONS OF FREE LINUX.
IBM MAKES VERY LITTLE AND IS REALLY AN INVESTOR THAT BUYS 5 TO 20 COMPANYS PER YEAR AND SELLS 5 TO 10
COMPANIES PER YEAR. IBM IS REALLY JUST AN INDIAN COMPANY WITH MOST OF ITS OPERATIONS IN INDIA AND A HEDGE
FUND/FINANCIAL OPERATION PLUS CONSULTING IN THE USA.
IBM SOLD OFF MOST OFF ITS GLOBAL SERVICES BUSINESS(LOSERS) TO INVESTORS IN AN IPO, IT USED THE 24 BILLION FROM THE SALE TO BUY RED HAT LINUX(INVESTORS FOOLISH ENOUGH TO BUY IBM CAST OFF STOCK IN THIS IPO HAVE LOST MONEY).
THE FUNDAMENTAL PROBLEM IS IBM BETTING ON GENERIC TECHNOLOGY(LINUX) THAT IS FREE AND EVERYONE
CAN ACCESS. IBM IS TRADING ON ITS LABEL AND PAST GLORY, IT IS NOW A "QUICK BUCK" STOCK BUY NOT A GOOD
LONG TERM INVESTMENT.
THE ORIGINAL MISTAKE WAS: IBM ZOS IS 50 YEAR OLD TECHNOLOGY(ITS OPERATING SYSTEM EVOLVED FROM IBM360 OS)
WHEN THE WEB AND LINUX TECHNOLOGY CAME OUT IN THE 1990'S IBM(LU GERSHNER) HAD A CHOICE:
1) ADD WEB TECHNOLOGY TO IBM ZOS/ 360 0S TO UPDATE ITS OPERATING SYSTEM TO A MODERN WEB OPERATING SYSTEM
OR OPTION 2.
2) IBM TOOK(LU GERSHNER) TOOK THE CHEAP WAY OUT, THEY ABANDONED OS360/ZOS IN FAVOR OR GENERIC LINUX(WHICH IS A MODERN WEB OPERATING SYSTEM, IBM PROMOTED LINUIX AS THER WEB OPERATING SYSTEM.
SO IF IBM PRODUCTS ARE GENERIC WHY SHOULD ANYONE PAY 5 TIMES THE COST OF A GENERIC REPLACEMENT??
@fattiger6957
2 years ago
IBM is still one of the most important companies in tech today. They have been one the key players boosting open source software to where it is now. They acquire and hold many patents and make them open source. The value of this practice to the whole world is immense and they don’t get the respect they deserve. Even this video didn’t mention that fact.
IBM is bullish when it comes to raw innovation that may someday turn into a huge market. Imagine first quantum PC!
Eh. Quantum computing has the potential to be extremely useful. It just isn't faster for the type of computing tasks we expect our personal devices to do. If you want to crack encryption or simulating complex chemical/physical phenomena, it's great. If you want to push crazy high graphics out of a power-efficient domestic appliance or hand-held device...it's probably not ever going to be the ticket.
You cannot stress enough how IBM is stagnated internally. Over my 7 year within the company, they twice failed to migrate to new mail client (Outlook) from IBM Notes. It is staggering how simple mail client that IBMers are forced to use hinders productivity. On daily basis we offer our customers new exciting technologies while struggling to deal with stuff from 90's that we are forces to use in daily work...
MY DELL I7 LAPTOPS AND DESKTOP(SERVERS) ARE FASTER THAN IBM AND CDC SUPER COMPUTERS
FROM THE 1960'S, 1970'S, 1980'S. WHEN OFFICE RENT IN NEW YORK CITY BECAME TOO EXPENSIVE IN THE 1990'S I REPLACED MY IBM 370, 4131, system 3's MAINFRAMES WITH DELL LAPTOP AND DESKTOPS COMPUTERS(SERVERS).
WHAT USED TO COST ME $3000 PER MONTH FOR OFFICE RENT AND ELECTRIC NOW COST ME $200 per month
WE OWNED THE MAINFRAMES WE WERE USING(WE HAD A COMPUTER LEASING CO) AND I DID THE MAINTENANCE
ON ALL THE COMPUTERS, SO THOSE COST WERE VERY LITTLE.
IF WE HAD BEEN LEASING OUR EQUIPMENT FROM IBM THE COST WOULD HAVE BEEN: $3,000 rent + electric,
$13,000 for equipment rental = $16,000 per month!!!
so it is easy to see the downward trend in the sales of ibm z computer prodects
FORTRAN is still on some of the most advanced aircraft right now. Trust me, no one likes coding in it, but due to certification it has survived into flight systems and aircraft performance down to this day...
Fortran developers make the big bucks
@Jesse Pinkman It was broke from day one
@Jesse Pinkman buddy, it's broke. Decades of engineers doing coder work with tons of random goto statements and broken lanes. Sometimes causing months of delays because of crappy debuggers; it's broke.
@Jesse Pinkman there's always a room for improvement
@@Shankovich Bad coding practices are not the fault of Fortran.
If Quantum Computing makes amazing strides, we might see IBM on the top in the near future again.
Google is already a top player in quantum computer
@@mrbeastwithnomoney no they're just showoff.
Sadly will never happen, getting IBM on your resume was a major attraction for the best and brightest that isn't the case anymore
@@AbhishekThakur-wl1plProof?
@Walther Penne - not yet. In Germany they just introduced the first quantum aimed on industry tasks.
As a bias IBM shareholder, I believe IBM innovation will continue. They have the capital and global reach to keep their businesses thriving into the future.
As a unbias IBM non-shareholder, I believe IBM innovation will continue.
They are ahead of the curve on blockchain technologies for many industries, and definitely smarter ibm Watson AI, without a doubt.
@@Derty_the_grower as a shareholder, I hope you’re right
How much per share now?
I am unbiased and not a shareholder and I still have a lot of respect for their history and willingness to adapt even if they make a lot of mistakes. They've stayed alive this long, I'm keen to see where they go from here! They just need the right talent.
You don't have to be a financial genius to see that IBM is investing itself in the future. They're a safe bet.
Stonks can only go up.
I worked for IBM from 1979 to 2015. Wonderful company until it wasn’t . The mainframe was (and is ) the main source of revenue and profit and “protecting” that business was also the main reason for the downfall. Too many lost opportunities and poor management .
Totally agree.
Agree, though for me "it wasn't" came a lot sooner than it did for you. Yes they do have a lot of trouble balancing legacy product lines with new products.
Do you remember that IBM and Motorola worked together to put the IBM 360 instruction set on a 68000 chip by replacing the microcode? And then they attempted to market the Desktop 360? An AMAZING failure - but the relationship gave us the Power PC, which Linux Torvalds called "the weirdest architecture" (with which I agreed when I spoke with Linus at a Decus conference in Washington DC, in 1993-ish... being a PPC platform vendor sales engineer...) - which is finally being killed off by ARM...
As a former IBMer I find this video weak and misleading, focusing a lot on the 80s and ignoring the 2000s. IBMs slowdown came in 2010s due to the rise of cloud related services and apps. I'm really curious what's gonna happen next.
I was also surprised. It feels like CF skipped over the Global Services consulting arm that powered the company for the first decade of the century, and the strategy they used for the second decade where they acquired waning giants in the industry and squeezed the residual out of them. (Tivoli, Cognos, RedHat, etc.)
After working for IBM in 1980 as a co-op and getting stiffed for a job due to the company's first hiring freeze, I experienced two interactions between the company I was working for with IBM of 1993 and 1997 - it was NOT the same company, and in both cases the interaction was tragic...
I still have an IBM Aptiva desktop computer and it has Windows 95 on it and it still works. I had an even older model and it was good too, but I got into computers using other brands and most of them are just history now.
The Aptiva was the very first PC my parents were able to buy, I used it extensively during my highschool years.
@@arturoescorcia same with me. It was a great computer.
Probably one of the very few tech companies with history, that I have no negativity towards, and admired how they changed and evolved with time even when loosing big time. I mean for such a behemoth as IBM. Compared to them I'll put the likes of Microsoft and Google much below in the list, even though their financials are much stronger.
Unfortunately without money the company can’t survive, let alone doing huge things. Its the hard truth.
I guess that OP don't know how Hitler found out where all the german jews were. No negativity, right 🤕😁
I hate IBM products not because of the company but they're just very cumbersome to use and almost everything requires a license to operate. They're old, poorly documented, and just difficult to use/understand imo.
You either die a hero or...
i have a particular disliking for them due to deep blue and their shitty treatment of a chess grandmaster to gain rises in stocks.
I've always loved their logo.
Me too
Their Logo is like Coke's Logo.. It's timeless. But Coke is still more classy.
If patents are one of the measures of innovation, they certainly are innovative. They may not be very visible as their products are not mass market products.
However, patents are not a measure of innovation but how much they are able to deliver something worthy. And IBM is not even able to deliver practically nothing.
IBM is half about delivering the same products over and over, and half is about giving support and sales.
Excellent, ColdFusion. When I went into the early IT business in 1971 I was working on IBM computers. Thanks for the memories.
Company I worked for in 2017 still used IBM mainframes (iSeries), and I developed software for it In the RPG language. Afaik the underlying hardware was modern, but the software was still based on the old System/360 stuff.
1 - iSeries is not mainframe, mainframe is zSeries
2 - It is based on System 36 and System 38
I use to work on the iSeries for years, both hardware and data replication.
Dagogo your content is always on point im happy that I’ve been following your channel for years 🖖 keep it my friend
ibm is still pretty huge though, but they went back to their roots working more in the background than doing anything consumer facing.
I guess they are called Business Machine.. and not Consumer Machine.. their roots is in the large scale businesses when they began. But they sure made tons of money in the 80s with the PCs..
@@valcrist7428 Maybe so - but many of those PCs were sold in large numbers to large companies - not 1s and 2s to consumers. Selling to companies has always been IBM’s focus.
@@derekduerden3672 Yeah, I would think IBM became a house hold name because of their consumer machines as well.
They wouldn't be if they weren't a publically traded company continually running flush by bad investment capital by each and everyone buying their stock.
@@markhuntermd yeah, i recommend you look closer, because ibm is pretty flush with base resources to the point where it would be almost impossible for them to go bankrupt. ibm will still exist when you great great great grandchild graduates from highschool. it is sort of like how intel and amd will never go under, becausue it doesn't matter which proc you buy, the other company still gets paid. shared tech. oh, and ibm also gets paid every time a processor is sold. they own some of the instruction sets too.
(EDIT: intel owns x86 and amd owns x64 (instruction sets, one for 32bit 8080 compatible processors and one for 64bit 8080 compatible processors) intel has to use amd instruction sets for 64bit and amd has to use intel instruction sets for 32bit (that is in the software), amd's instruction set for 64bit just beat intel both to the punch (came out earlier) and with usability because the intel version was pure trash (think ati vs nvidia in the early days, then remember that ati now amd hasn't ever caught up with their software after decades)
Another classic. Thanks Dagogo
The IBM keyboards are still legandary
They were great. I'd love to have one now.
We did a LOT of IBM systems from PC's to the big RS6000's and from 1984 to 2015ish I never used anything but the legendary clicky on any of my personal systems. But while the Model M was probably the greatest keyboard ever I have since moved to the Razer Ornata - Mechanical Membrane. I hate Razer's software but their keyboards are pretty decent and reminisce of the older model M
If they would only make one that has an RGB backlighting or even just white backlight.. I would dig that.. I miss the Model M.
Still using a Model M from 1986
I've just joined IBM, great video, I'll definitely try to give my little push to get this company back where it belongs
Ever tried pushing an aircraft carrier?
@@travis1240 would love to try that 😂
The word "defenestration" comes to mind...
It’s at times truly like pushing an aircraft carrier. However, there are many of us that push and we‘ll get the job done 💪
Thank you for creating this well documented historical video. Now in my retirement years, for me it was a trip down memory lane having started my IT (then called Data Processing) career throughout the 70's and 80's operating the IBM 360 and 370 Mainframe Computers. It was an exciting and somewhat intimidating time. After all there had never been a profession quite like this to make a career of. People would look at me kind of funny after asking me; "so what do you do for a living?" I would reply saying; "I am Computer Operator". Usually the conversation would stop right there as they walked away mumbling under their breath "good God, what in the world is that?!" It was a special time indeed, and yes, you haven't read everything until you tried reading an IBM Operations Technical Manual, lol😊
Dagogo, great episode, especially for all those too young to know about IBM and its history. I didn't notice the split of them either. But I have to add that IBM made me a nice living 1968-1984 as an IBM system program (360 and 370 Assmerbler language) for various US Fortune 500s and even Gene Amdahl's name-sake company and his 2nd effort, Trilogy Systems (you should do an episode on Dr. Amdahl's various plug-compatible efforts). After 1984 I became a Tandem (now HP NonStop) programmer and then at the end of my career (2014) an Apple software programmer. I have to add a comment on one omission of yours I know you must know: Red Hat also has one of THE key commercial Linux systems, Red Hat Linux; at least they were key in that when I retired in 2014. Anyway, I will follow some of your links here as well; keep up the great output!
The Acquisition of Red Hat is such a bold move that it might even pay off.
And..... I hate it when Red hat change CentOS into CentOS stream...
This
@@am3nnet That's why Rocky Linux came into existence.
@@solveigvan808oh .. can we (server using CentOS) can easily migrated to Rocky Linux?
Is there guarantee that Rocky Linux won't be like CentOS in the future?
Somehow I am not keen enough using Debian-based dan arch-based distros for corporate server
I don't see this working. 2 clashing cultures...like China taking over Hong Kong. It won't end well.
I worked as a programmer in the 1980s on mainframe then on the mid range systems (System 38). By the 1990s - they were pushing the AS400 - whilst open systems (UNIX based) were being pushed elsewhere. The programming languages weren’t compatible with the mainframe or OS/2.
It's really strange making a video about IBM and not mentioning their current total monopoly in the banking and financial space. Thousands of banks and revenue agencies around the world has relied on their AS/400 systems since the 80's, and most of them are practically vendor locked.
I work for a major international bank, I can confirm we still use legacy IBM systems critical to operations, some delivered in 1998 and still used!
The US government and FED protect this monolith!
I work in a hospital and OS/400 (i5 OS) is a significant part of the medical industry as well.
My Grandma worked at IBM from 1965 to 1966. She worked in the programming department. She learned how to program the 1401 and the 360. When she left IBM to join the at the time AT&T subsidiary, Western Electric, she was the only Woman in the computer department and her job was to convert old 1401 code to 360 code. She created a program that as she described it (and bare in mind that was over 50 years ago for her so some things she doesn’t remember) was kind of a pro-to emulator of sorts that would automate the process of changing certain command lines in the code. My Grandma explained that the 360 was more sophisticated than the 1401 as the 1401 gets it name from it’s 14k of ram. As for working at IBM she said it was very business oriented, she worked in a cubical with two other women.
You should do Sears next. Where at one point they were so large they were casually selling entire houses even as kit houses as part of their portfolio/services. Grew to becoming America's household name but then stagnated and now down to ashes over the years.
Just like Blockbuster video stores. They didn't adapt to new technology and business environments. Wal Mart took a huge chunk out of Sears' business, then Amazon finished the job.
“The computing scale company, the Tabulating machine company, and the time recording company merged” you gotta love how the names of these companies describe what they do when today it’s all “netlify”, “spotify”, “bumble” and all sorts of one-word names which try to sound cool
Idk,but I'm pretty sure company word today to describe their service and product sounds so WEAK and...soyfy.
Easier to type into a smart phone…
Just wanna say a thank you for all your work. Love to watch your content!
Dude this is so funny, I literally found your channel today and looked up if you had a vid on ibm 10 minutes before you uploaded this. I was hoping you had one and now you do.
I worked on OS/2 in Boca Raton, FL starting with version 1.2, in the multimedia area. The biggest mistakes I saw were continued collaboration with Microsoft and then all the time wasted on SOM, which the Workplace Shell was built on. As for Microsoft, I remember debugging the exact same C compiler defect 3 different times many months apart and never getting a good version. IBM eventually learned and wrote their own C compiler, which was actually much better. I still remember people just being shocked when we saw the first version of Windows 3.0. They had no idea who they were dealing with and seems they were not keeping any tabs on Microsoft. As for SOM, I remember an "all-hands" effort to try to fix the performance of WPS - it was very bloated and slow at the time, primarily due to SOM. The should have just chosen C++ and been done with it, but they wanted some language neutral OO monstrosity and were mainly still using C. IBM had the better technology, all the way up through Warp releases, but were just too big and slow while MS ate their lunch.
Your level of detailed is much appreciated
IBM tended to have experts who ran everything in the company and the truly innovative youths were either frustrated out or pushed out - PS: I had an original first-year IBM PC motherboard with the hand-soldered parts...
Administrators and bureaucrats stymie innovation and creativity by imposing order and control.
And no where did I see this more than with IBM in the late 80s and early 90s!
I was there in their IBM Operating System division Austin, Texas. Their operating system was competing with Microsoft at the time - And we know who won that race.
Walking down the halls at IBM revealed the cancer that had devoured the entire company. All the people walked like zombies, holding a creepy blank stare as they slowly shuffled aimlessly down the halls. I have never seen anything quite like that to this day.
I was closest to the teams that fielded troubleshooting calls from customers. IBM hired street temps to handle those calls! Totally uneducated and largely untrained people were in charge of helping people over the phone whose computers were hanging due to some software and/or hardware failure. Who the hell was running the show over there?!
Humanity is a strange phenomenon to me whereby "Kings wear no clothes" - yet everyone does whatever they are told under the color of authority. Like the useless Rama X, the King of Thailand, the highest executives - despite being feeble minded - get all the wealth and glory.
We see this today in corporate life and the governance of countries: men whose inability is as vast as their wealth, power and privilege running the show!
There are many bogus career tracks whose functions merely require hubris, bravado, mendacity, and lack of conscience:
Bureaucrats, administrators, corporate executives and board members, academic instructors, music maestros, politicians, clergymen, managers, law enforcement, corporate chiefs, actors, salesmen, religious leaders & evangelicals, etc.
They are hired or elected not based upon technical or functional ability, but simply their ability to “look & act” the part!
It is for this very reason that con's, inept's, and those seeking unearned power & self-aggrandizement are fundamentally the ONLY people to hold those positions in life: People who are utterly incapable of holding any job that actually requires skill!
Consider the perennially bankrupt Donald Trump: his value is not based upon his functional abilities, education or management savvy, (my Uncle was his chief accountant at the TajMahal), but rather his Hollywood image! Even though the CIA was using the Taj to launder drug money the casino collapsed. {The BCCI bank had closed at the time following Congressional hearings thus ending the CIA's ability to launder its drug money. Trumps Taj just filled the void - Similar to Atlantis Casino Resort Spa today. See Mary Carter Resorts Study (1994) or Evidentiary Realism (page 35)[2] and this article NY Times [1], SEC lawsuit findings [3]}
[1] www.nytimes.com/2016/06/12/nyregion/donald-trump-atlantic-city.html
[2] books.google.dm/books?id=2vSRDwAAQBAJ&pg=PA35&lpg=PA35&dq=trump+taj+mahal+cia+money&source=bl&ots=vKUS76dqGU&sig=ACfU3U01VQyTbDucYm2uFNpgNPZCIrjk2Q&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwizyZW2kZvqAhVBKa0KHdnQAdcQ6AEwDXoECAkQAQ#v=onepage&q=trump%20taj%20mahal%20cia%20money&f=false
[3] www.sec.gov/foia/docs/trump-hotels-and-casino-resorts-inc.pdf
@@markhuntermd Very interesting post. Thanks.
I worked with a developer at Microsoft in 2001 when I was on the Winsock Test Team in the Core Networking group at MS. This cat used to work at IBM in the 1980s and told us stories about how they had to wear a suit and tie to work every day, and when they were in their offices with the door closed, they were able to take off their suit coat. That's why IBM failed, because of that culture.
Precisely! Administrators and bureaucrats stymie innovation and creativity by imposing order and control.
And nowhere did I see this more than with IBM in the late 80s and early 90s!
I was there in their IBM Operating System division Austin, Texas. Their operating system was competing with Microsoft at the time - And we know who won that race.
Walking down the halls at IBM revealed the cancer that had devoured the entire company. All the people walked like zombies, holding a creepy blank stare as they slowly shuffled aimlessly down the halls. I have never seen anything quite like that to this day. Intel on the other hand, had Kimono Day Wednesdays whereby everyone wore a Kimono and shot each other with squirt guns! The environment at Intel was electrifying! [Today, Intel is sadly the laughing stock of the world. Probably for the same reason IBM died.] It’s all about the culture created by those well-healed ivory tower types breathing rarified air.
I was closest to the teams that fielded troubleshooting calls from customers. IBM hired street temps to handle those calls! Totally uneducated and largely untrained people were in charge of helping people over the phone whose computers were hanging due to some software and/or hardware failure. Who the hell was running the show over there?!
Humanity is a strange phenomenon to me whereby "Kings wear no clothes" - yet everyone does whatever they are told under the color of authority. Like the useless Rama X, the King of Thailand, the highest executives - despite being feeble minded - get all the wealth and glory.
We see this today in corporate life and the governance of countries: men whose inability is as vast as their wealth, power and privilege running the show!
There are many bogus career tracks whose functions merely require hubris, bravado, mendacity, and lack of conscience:
Bureaucrats, administrators, corporate executives and board members, academic instructors, music maestros, politicians, clergymen, managers, law enforcement, corporate chiefs, actors, salesmen, religious leaders & evangelicals, etc.
They are hired or elected not based upon technical or functional ability, but simply their ability to “look & act” the part!
It is for this very reason that con's, inept's, and those seeking unearned power & self-aggrandizement are fundamentally the ONLY people to hold those positions in life: People who are utterly incapable of holding any job that actually requires skill!
Consider the perennially bankrupt Donald Trump: his value is not based upon his functional abilities, education or management savvy, (my Uncle was his chief accountant at the Taj Mahal), but rather his Hollywood image! Even though the CIA was using the Taj to launder drug money the casino collapsed. {The BCCI bank had closed at the time following Congressional hearings thus ending the CIA's ability to launder its drug money. Trump’s Taj just filled the void - Similar to Atlantis Casino Resort Spa today. See Mary Carter Resorts Study (1994) or Evidentiary Realism (page 35)[2] and this article NY Times [1], SEC lawsuit findings [3]}
[1] www.nytimes.com/2016/06/12/nyregion/donald-trump-atlantic-city.html
[2] books.google.dm/books?id=2vSRDwAAQBAJ&pg=PA35&lpg=PA35&dq=trump+taj+mahal+cia+money&source=bl&ots=vKUS76dqGU&sig=ACfU3U01VQyTbDucYm2uFNpgNPZCIrjk2Q&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwizyZW2kZvqAhVBKa0KHdnQAdcQ6AEwDXoECAkQAQ#v=onepage&q=trump%20taj%20mahal%20cia%20money&f=false
[3] www.sec.gov/foia/docs/trump-hotels-and-casino-resorts-inc.pdf
You kind of stepped over a large and important era of main frame server transition to Unix based systems. This not only saw IBM develop the Unix based AIX RS/6000's servers to compete with the equivalent offerings from Sun (solaris/sunos), HP (HPUX), Unisys (Dynix/ptx), Digital VAX (Tru64), Data General (DGUX) and the list keeps going .... all whom were competing with IBM OS/390 and AS400 mainframes with their own Main Frame implementations ... but IBM also ported their main frame software such as TX Series CICS and DB2 to AIX and Windows to compete and attempt to stop their customers ditching IBM all together. This went on from the early 1990's well into the 2010's.
IBM has done quite some work in AI/ML in recent years though. Provides some of the most powerful AI solutions.
they copy google
as an AI/Cloud engineer, I can tell that IBM is heavy losing in the AI arms race to nvidia, google, facebook, amazon and the likes. Their cloud AI offerings are some of the worst quality in the market, some performing well below industry standard baselines (layman terms baselines are simple and performant models/algorithms for an acceptable level of accuracy, any research paper should beat baselines by a large margin, or at least barely surpass them if it's a proof of concept for a radically new idea). Aggressive sales tactics, brand name and cross selling are the only things keeping their cloud platform alive at this point.
Not to mention cloud reliability, it's gotten to the point that there's a running gag among developers that deploying on IBM cloud helps you practice "chaos engineering" - randomly failing services to make sure you got high availability/durability correctly implemented.
@@luungoc2005 Thanks brodafrumanadamoda! Didn't know that. I'm not an engineer but have only worked with the free IBM Watson stuff. The thing is, the articles & added info on their sites about systems they are deploying & other industry info is really interesting, & given the amazing stuff they did like beating Jeopardy back in the day painted a less critical picture in my head.
@@luungoc2005 PS: I once passed a tit-pic - a full rack of crack - to Watson's free image recog model & well, it was 30% confident it was food! Idk if they taught it juvenile humour too!
@@yugen3968 Ah yes although somewhat outside of my expertise, I did hear their on-prem, physical hardware deployments business is still top class. As in setting up supercomputing, data warehouses kind of work.
They just pretty much gave up on software R&D - which includes AI, but still aggressively selling it which is quite annoying sometimes when you have the business and sales type people forcing developers to use IBM software. IBM watson for jeopardy is a influential sales pitch, but it almost feels like a fraud to use the brand name for other products (case in point IBM watson health)
Thank you for this upload, very informative about. I am always part of the early gang because I see how much work you put into your videos. Thank you 🙏
Too big. Too many resources spread too thin. This is just how monolithic companies age. If they were smart, they would develop a strategy splitting the business into independent sectors for rapid innovation and growth that they could introduce to the marketplace quickly and pivot on a dime. Basically, IBM should be the umbrella company for a massive cluster of startups.
You cannot drive start-up companies with Boomers. This is a good paper plan.
@@cryptopoussin2721 Bingo. Create those independent daughter companies and let them try their hand at startup life and be profitable.
It's the culture! Administrators and bureaucrats stymie innovation and creativity by imposing order and control.
And nowhere did I see this more than with IBM in the late 80s and early 90s!
I was there in their IBM Operating System division Austin, Texas. Their operating system was competing with Microsoft at the time - And we know who won that race.
Walking down the halls at IBM revealed the cancer that had devoured the entire company. All the people walked like zombies, holding a creepy blank stare as they slowly shuffled aimlessly down the halls. I have never seen anything quite like that to this day. Intel on the other hand, had Kimono Day Wednesdays whereby everyone wore a Kimono and shot each other with squirt guns! The environment at Intel was electrifying! [Today, Intel is sadly the laughing stock of the world. Probably for the same reason IBM died.] It’s all about the culture created by those well-healed ivory tower types breathing rarified air.
I was closest to the teams that fielded troubleshooting calls from customers. IBM hired street temps to handle those calls! Totally uneducated and largely untrained people were in charge of helping people over the phone whose computers were hanging due to some software and/or hardware failure. Who the hell was running the show over there?!
Humanity is a strange phenomenon to me whereby "Kings wear no clothes" - yet everyone does whatever they are told under the color of authority. Like the useless Rama X, the King of Thailand, the highest executives - despite being feeble minded - get all the wealth and glory.
We see this today in corporate life and the governance of countries: men whose inability is as vast as their wealth, power and privilege running the show!
There are many bogus career tracks whose functions merely require hubris, bravado, mendacity, and lack of conscience:
Bureaucrats, administrators, corporate executives and board members, academic instructors, music maestros, politicians, clergymen, managers, law enforcement, corporate chiefs, actors, salesmen, religious leaders & evangelicals, etc.
They are hired or elected not based upon technical or functional ability, but simply their ability to “look & act” the part!
It is for this very reason that con's, inept's, and those seeking unearned power & self-aggrandizement are fundamentally the ONLY people to hold those positions in life: People who are utterly incapable of holding any job that actually requires skill!
Consider the perennially bankrupt Donald Trump: his value is not based upon his functional abilities, education or management savvy, (my Uncle was his chief accountant at the Taj Mahal), but rather his Hollywood image! Even though the CIA was using the Taj to launder drug money the casino collapsed. {The BCCI bank had closed at the time following Congressional hearings thus ending the CIA's ability to launder its drug money. Trump’s Taj just filled the void - Similar to Atlantis Casino Resort Spa today. See Mary Carter Resorts Study (1994) or Evidentiary Realism (page 35)[2] and this article NY Times [1], SEC lawsuit findings [3]}
[1] www.nytimes.com/2016/06/12/nyregion/donald-trump-atlantic-city.html
[2] books.google.dm/books?id=2vSRDwAAQBAJ&pg=PA35&lpg=PA35&dq=trump+taj+mahal+cia+money&source=bl&ots=vKUS76dqGU&sig=ACfU3U01VQyTbDucYm2uFNpgNPZCIrjk2Q&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwizyZW2kZvqAhVBKa0KHdnQAdcQ6AEwDXoECAkQAQ#v=onepage&q=trump%20taj%20mahal%20cia%20money&f=false
[3] www.sec.gov/foia/docs/trump-hotels-and-casino-resorts-inc.pdf
This Channel is out of this world. Once again Thank you Dagogo for all your time and efforts towards creating such amazing content and always sharing of knowledge and information. You are a Great man.
I have worked for IBM for 3 years and what I have learned is vivid documentation before the start of development is key to success, where I find lack in other companies that I worked for after IBM
Our first family computer was an IBM 386. Great video, keep up the good work!
Saw a video about IBM as recently as today about them innovating with L2 caches and it seemed promising for gaming. So they are still innovating.
Little known fact - OS/2 was initially a joint collaboration between Microsoft and IBM. Microsoft decided to spend most of their resources on Windows instead, which caused something of a rift. Many versions of windows can even run text mode OS/2 apps. This video makes it seem like OS/2 was an IBM solo effort to wrest control from Microsoft, but the truth is much more complicated.
The biggest misconception of IBM was, they "owned" PCs, everything was written for IBM, like OS/2 the other MS windows GUI, and it failed dramatically, when OEMs started to make PC's them self, IBM couldn't follow, and for a time, they left PC market, and started to focus on mainframes, that's why IBM still exists.
I just gotta say, I just barely discovered your channel and I am instantly hooked. Great content keep it up!
I worked with DEC and many other HW brands in the past. Thought that IBM would be gone 20 years ago, guess I was a bit too optimistic.
The people here in Switzerland used to get IBM, the saying was, if you choose anything else you could lose your job, meaning, if IBM couldn't do it, nobody else could do it. That was a fallacy that wasn't challenged enough. Time showed that not to be the case.
Thanks for all your great and informative videos on all the topics you cover. Sure enjoy them. Thanks Dagogo for all you do.
If you visit Switzerland again and have an hour, I'd love to have a coffee or tea with you, just for fun sake. Cheers
I have huge hopes from myself, after watching these videos, as I too have great passion for Tech like these Tech-guys featured in all your videos...
Love you Dagogo, from India.
Another great one!!! I love the background music...Can't wait for the next video.
When accountants start running a tech company instead of engineers this is what happens. Short term profits lead to long term decay.
It's videos like this that make me appreciate the tech I'm holding in my hand right now. It wouldn't be possible if it weren't for companies like IBM
Kyndryl is not just for legacy, but for services, legacy or not.
IBM is legacy.
Thanks so much for the video/content, you are amazing!
The problem was that they were too greedy. I remember going to South America in the early 90’s and I visited computer centers of some government of poor countries and I saw they all had IBM computers. They told me they IBM was charging them $4000 a month which for them was very expensive and unfortunately they were stuck with IBM, there were no other options.
There's some weird history in here. The ability to run MS-DOS on other machines wasn't by itself the problem, it was that combined with the fact that everyone cloned IBMs BIOS and HW design since all the HW was off the shelf. DOS ran on other non PC compatible systems but that was never very popular because a huge chunk of DOS software interacted directly with the hardware and expected an IBM PC/compatible design. Also there's OS/2 and windows...MS considered OS/2 the future for a long time and it was a partnership between MS and IBM. When that partnership fell apart MS started doubling down on Windows but originally MS thought windows was a dead end.
Halt and Catch Fire taught me a lot about IBM, in tech all that matters is to always be first and make sure every single idea, process and design is patented.
That was an outstanding film. 👏
Being first isn't actually that important. The Ipod and Iphone weren't the first mp3 player and smartphone, but they sure as hell blew all the previous ones out of the water.
Love the content, Dagogo! Such high quality
If you want a clear example of how mixed priorities they had in the 90's, we went to order an IBM desktop with OS/2 on it and they didn't offer that... They were selling OS/2 and desktops, but you had to buy the IBM desktop with MS Windows pre-installed, then buy OS/2 separately and install it yourself.
OS/2 was initially a joint project with Microsoft, it was effectively the NT kernel, as in Windows NT, Windows 2000, Windows XP, etc... but back during the days of Windows 95. It was ahead of it's time by years. One of these collaborators went on to rake in billions. The other was IBM.
IBM was the first organization I started my career with, here in India. 8 years later, I'm working with Deloitte at the moment. Honestly, both IBM and Deloitte offer the best work life balance so irrespective of how the former rose and then fell, I personally have nothing to complain about. But yes, I do accept how IBM acted like the "organized bosses" in the 80s and 90s who never welcomed any new ideas or innovations and were in a league of their own. And that's why Steve Jobs hated and despiced them(although Apple in 2021 has become more or less the same thanks to Cook).
@@gradientO no, direct interviews.
“Modern players such as Oracle”. Lol.
What?
Great video. Perhaps a breakthrough will put them back in the spotlight
Very nice! Please keep these informative videos coming weekly. Thanks.
7:45 - In their mind, they never realized software was the key to the future--not hardware. So they paid little attention to who had rights to the OS. And once the IBM PC was cloned, the company was just one of many competing for a share of the DOS/Windows platform.
I read IBM was sued by someone that they bought his software. With the huge mess, they didn't want that again so they licensed DOS.
Either way, they forgot to make IBM the exclusive user of DOS, and if they thought ahead, future GUI sw to be used on IBM or IBM compatible computers.
The copywriting of dos was a major issue but the real reason the pc sales crashed was, that, to keep the cost down IBM used openly available components, this had the effect of rendering them open to plagiarism as the machine was basically a fruit salad and they didn't own the copyright to any fruit...gates had proprietary software but they neglected to include any proprietary hardware or architecture.
Hardware was an issue even in mainframe accounts. We had customers putting cheaper memory in control units. And even something as seemingly insignificant as a cleaning tape can cause call-outs. I had a tape robot in one account and the cheap cleaning tapes kept getting stuck in it. And the third shift operator there refused to recognize that pausing the robot, opening the door, and hitting "exit" to manually remove the tape was HIS job.
One more interesting thing about the IBM 704: It also had one of the first speech synthesis devices! I believe he's better known for the speech synthesis and iconic rendition of Daisy Bell than for the AI- at least I heard of the IBM 704 because of Daisy Bell first.
This speech synthesis was later used to make Dandy 704 for Chipspeech (and in the process Plogue gave me a huge crush on a 1960's supercomputer 😹)
Thanks Dagogo, always amazing. From 🇿🇦
I think ibm has potential with redhat. Redhat is the main developer of linux through fedora and rhel, and also plays a key role in the evolution of the "cloud operating system" called kubernetes through their Openshift product.
Oh snap a k8s mention
Although I enjoyed your video, I think it would have been worth mentioning the Software suite of IBM like Notes, Domino, Sametime etc. which are used by many companies even today. But those have been sold over to HCL Technologies.
Been waiting on this… thank u Dagogo
This is actually a question that I have wanted to know for a while now. Thanks for answering it! ^_^
Damn for some reason I can access this unlisted video. It just popped up with the default thumbnail on your main page.
The original IBM PC sold upwards of $10K, when others were around $2K. Businesses bought them, but not home users. Economies of scale of competitors hurt them. Then there was the plane crash that wiped out the PC's senior managers and engineers. And IBM felt the real profits were in hardware because computer software could be easily copied (and they'd been through years of litigation over software licensing), so they let MS keep the software rights. Bad luck, bad decisions, bad management.
Patents are often used by tech companies as PR/marketing. If you look at the quality of patents (how often they are referenced by other patent applicants) you quickly see that is true. I'm not saying IBM does that, but there's their famous laser as a cat toy patent....
One of the hardest things in business is sustainability. How to anticipate change and quickly adapt by not focusing too much on the victories of yesterday. Great Lesson to be learned.
Props to Dagogo
Great video Dagogo.
It seems that huge companies cannot adapt to disruptive innovations.
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You mean HTC? I think he's already made that. Could be another YTer
@@hydrolifetech7911 you are right he did
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We always excited to watch your video/ research/ document.
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One thing that wasn't mentioned here (something had to be left out, IBM did so many things in it's lifetime) is that IBM is the most important company in the database business. They created the first database software back for the Apollo program and under IBM SQL was invented. Their IBM DB2 is still widely used for commercial applications.
I really root for IBM to pull themselves together and become great again.
Somebody get Rintaro Okabe an IBN 5100!
Was looking for this
Awesome, Fantastic and very cool. Nicely made and explained video..thank you for such great content.. keep rocking Mr D!
Your videos are magnificently edited, informative and well paced. Thank you for these free learning videos.
Plus your voice is class! 👍🍺☘️
Thank you for the excellent historical survey as well as the amazing fact that IBM once made cheese cutters.
IBM suffered from many companies who were dominant in their field and were reluctant (or blind) to new technologies and trends (e.g. Kodak)
I think a decent contributor was just making shitty, overpriced products. Have you ever used Lotus Notes? It's far from the only example, but certainly my favorite.
Wonderful video, as always. Since you mentioned Mitsubishi in this episode, I thought it could be a cool idea to make an episode on it. They used to be top car manufacturer but nowadays you hardly see them in that field but have prospered in others. Could be interesting.
Absolutely. You see their brand on extremely complex technology like ships, aeroplanes and other high tech industrial infrastructure, perhaps their strength is research and implementation where they use their manufacturing-strength from the motor industry to translate innovation quickly across the high-tech industries they are involved in...just thinking aloud
@@benhesediszrael4031 yeah, exactly
What a watch! I enjoyed this very much!