Elusive Glitches: The Case of Twilight Princess
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- čas přidán 8. 06. 2024
- In this video I explore how Twilight Princess is the longest of all other 3D Zelda speedruns and take a look at some of the potential sequence break theories that have been looked at over the years.
Live speedruns at / gymnast86
Twitter: / mrgymnast86
Most of the footage used in this video uses the German translation of the game since it's footage from the Twilight Princess TAS. German is the fastest language to use for Twilight Princess Any% Speedruns (on Gamecube) as it has the shortest text throughout the game.
Twilight Princess TAS: • Twilight Princess Any%...
Twilight Princess Speedrun Leaderboard: www.speedrun.com/tp
Twilight Princess Trick Documentation: www.zeldaspeedruns.com/tp
#elusiveglitches #twilightprincess #twilightprincessglitches - Hry
You mean to say that Nintendo has, for one single time in its life, managed to make a large door in a Zelda game that can't be tunneled through with arcane movement inputs and sheer willpower?
maybe if we use the Konami code on the door...
IMPOSSIBLE
Not for long Mr. Tesla. Just you watch.
Apparently so...
In low% speedruns, 2 doors (one in faron woods, one in arbiters) are clipped through by using the blue rupee animation. The entire run is ~30 hours and theoretically the hyrule castle door could be clipped through if there was a way to get a blue rupee close to the door consistently. Low% is as few items and triggers as possible, so instead of keys and poe souls, clipping with rupees is the fastest way despite taking 8-10 hours at the very minimum per clip
"Twilight Princess is arguably the least broken..."
Wolf-Link moonwalks in highspeed
Yeah XD 13:00
The splits for OoT any% go like this atm:
Ocarina
Deku
Done
@@Kevin-wx7wu theres still escape too
@@kitschulz9073 ocarina is escape
@@Kevin-wx7wu oh yeah LOL duh
So you're telling me that the thing slowing down twilight princess is LITERALLY a ball and chain? Certainly appropriate.
@princesspumpkinpanty hol' up, what? he definitely mentioned it bro :(
and thats called IROOONY!!!!!
just like the Gate of Time in Skyward Sword :(
@princesspumpkinpanty did u
@@Coockiez-007 uh, no? A ball and chain slowing you down is what you would expect to happen, that is the exact opposite of irony.
Midna: Opens her heart and tells you about her sad backstory.
Speedruners: *YOUR SADNESS SUSTAINS MY SPEED*
Twilight Princess: you require this item to get this item to go there and do this thing to get another item...
BotW after getting the bomb: I'm outta this planet
i’m having a seizure what is TW is that TP
@@blitzie66 I wouldn't notice myself if you haven't pointed that out.
@@blitzie66 BoTW is Breath of The Wild
TheHenree i know buffoon, it said TW at some point instead of TP
@@blitzie66 THE WORLDO !
If Skyward Sword and, hell, even Breath of the Wild can be broken to such an extent despite being newer games, likely with far more bugs caught during development, TP has to have some kind of massive break. It makes me want to get into speedrunning JUST to find ways to destroy my favorite childhood Zelda game.
you dont NEED to be a speed runner to be a glitch hunter. i tend to prefer 100% when I play, but that doesnt mean i can't exploit glitches that ive learned. sometimes glitches are even found casually. i remember one time playing SS, i came in over skyloft extra fast (from a boost) and tried to dive into the loading trigger just to end up landing on invisible geometry over the unloaded skyloft. I was later validated when someone was able to record the glitch and prove that me and my brother who was watching at the time weren't crazy.
The sort version is that you only need the game and the desire to break it to start glitch hunting. When you find one, learn to replicate it and share the discovery.
Your argument is flawed since it's not even clear if the same people worked on BotW than the ones working on TP. Aonuma isn't doing all by himself.
I feel like the biggest problem with the game is what is needed, that is why it is so hard to break.
Yes, they have found major glitches, but not good for speedrunning. If people wish to find a good speedrunning glitch, they would need to find a glitch that Skips many different areas of the game, because the game makes it so you need so many different things to progress with the game.
Idk. I'm not a speed runner or glitch hunter (yet lol) I'm just going off what I know.
I did some glitch hunting professionally as a tester years ago. Occasionally pointed out some hard to reproduce glitches to hunters that never got patched due to prioritization to see if they could get a set up worked out to see if they'd be usable in runs. A lot of bugs get into games because eventually to release it ever you need to ignore the minor stuff and knock out the obvious, easily reproduced, and game breaking stuff. It has nothing to do with age of game. Just time and money. I could see a way to cut 15 minutes just by skipping most of mansion somehow to get ball and chain
BotW has so many glitches because it's a massive open world game with a robust physics engine and a ton of mechanics that are freely based in that engine and combinable.
I remember a year ago stumbling onto one of your videos where you talked about major roadblocks in SS that were likely to never be circumvented...and then as I found out at AGDQ this year, they were circumvented.
I guess in next years AGDQ the TP speedrun will be like 45 minutes.
Linkus7' Windwaker and gymnast's Skyward sword runs were in my opinion the highlights of gdq2020
We just need Gymnast making a video about it for the world an the glitch-hunters to prove him wrong shortly after
@@Kevin-wx7wu gymnast's Elusive Glitches videos are basically like a quest board in an RPG.
@@TheSunshrine ZFG's 100% NSR for OoT was very enjoyable as well.
I love Twilight Princess. I hope it gets some of these skips figured out soon!
same, I would conssider running it if it weren't so lengthy
@snugboy this seems paradox you love a game but want it skipped
Big hmmmmmm
Leon Drong it’s not about it being skipped, playing and enjoying it for story is different than speedrunning and appreciating a good game in a different way. A new skip discovery would spark interest and make more competition, and would open up the game to more people and help others appreciate it.
@@MiuXiu This girl gets it.
@@MiuXiu i know the point about speedrunning i just think his sentence is kinda paradox
I swear "script Gymnast" is a completely different person.
@@00007jjj It does sorta sound that way.
If you stream for multiple hours it makes sense to speak in your most comfortable vocal range, which is Gymnast's low range. In this video he extends his range upwards, which makes sense in a CZcams video because it gives him a more excited sound.
Aren't you the person that petitioned Mast to live in his basement?
"If the runner isnt limited to being human" some real transhumanist vibes coming from gymnast right abt now
TAS is just speedrun transhumanism
thank you for this revelation
The algorithm brought me here. I did not know that this community was so... organized. But more power to it.
If you found this organized, I recommend you watch his video about Wind Waker' swimming glitch histroy
Every time one of these videos comes out like a week or two later a skip is discovered
YAKUZA 64 that’s the strategy
That’s what makes these videos so great :D
Crazy glitches in botw
BiT for skyward sword
ACE for OoT
Barrier skip for wind waker
And tp just like ._.
Don't forget Moon Warp in MM
i guess TP is the least broken when it comes to skipping large chunks.
don't forget rooster duping in OoS.
yes, you heard that right, even the **oracle games** got a massive skip discovered in 2019. And yes, people run those.
Man what about the DS games? Phantom Hourglass still so long, i love that game, but nobody talks anything about it...
BiT exists in WW and TP as well, it's Reverse BiT Magic that's a game-changer for SS.
i like this video
Same!
dang me too!
hello like this or u gay
I like your videos too :)
i also like it
Even though it takes a long time to play the game I feel an odd sense of pride when you say it's the least broken 3d Zelda game... idk Twilight is my favorite game so that just feels like a super compliment lol
Same. Tp was my first zelda game and by far my favorite so to hear that its this surprisingly solid kinda makes me weirdly happy and proud.
Compliment???
It was the first Zelda I ever beat
@Iván Sánchez Fernández 😘
Make 2020 the year of TP
I’m down with that happening
I'm going to try some glitches on wii version. If disabling loading zones works, then I'll work on finding a way through the doors
@@DirtL gods speed my friend
Jamebo It definitely became the year of toilet paper.
big prediction
TP always really made me feel like a badass when he did the swagger sheathing animation after a kill. BOTW needed this honestly. but fits with memory loss.
The Hero of Twilight is a badass. A farmer being the best swordsman -trained by the Hero of Time- with the best companion character in the series
@@saricubra2867 hero of twilight needs no puny strenght enhancing tools or majics. he can break people in half with his bare hands
@@KOTEBANAROT I want the adventures of Link&Midna 2.
@@saricubra2867 ah, but obviously the most badass is actually the hero of trains. Dude's got a sweet ride.
"if early hyrule castle was a reality...", havent i heard that one before when people said barrier skip would never be possible and months later we be having new records. i give it a year
Bruh I read this comment right as he said it
I am pretty sure it was way more than months later lol. But yeah,I hope the same happens here and it eventually gets cracked.
FIrst it's going to be the TAS, people will say it's impossible in a live run, than the setup will be found, and then any% will die!
hmmm
2022
You should always recommend low% the best meme category for TP
*JOTWAD
It might be the best meme category in the entire speedrunning community
Wait, what is it?
Blueyandicy You beat the game with the least amount of items possible. It’s a 30 odd hour run.
I just looked it up.
Almost 30 hours, most of it spent staring at a blue rupee.
I love it.
The Legend Of Zelda: Twilight is Unbreakable
yare yare daze
GURETO DAZE
Link’s Bizarre Adventure
get it it's JoJo so it must be funny haha
Midna tendancy
im conflicted on how to feel about this. TP is my favorite zelda game, but i love to see speedruns, so im not sure if it makes me sad or happy that its the least broken game in the series.
4:41 Jerudo desert. JERUDO DESERT?!
Damn bro it's true
Yeah, the arguably correct pronunciation is with a hard G, like the original Japanese version. "Geh-ru-doh".
He says it like that, zfg(and most people I will think) says gerudo and I say herudo cause I speak Spanish :v
American English is a weird English.
In Portuguese at least,when the "G" is used without being followed by an "U",it has the same sound as "J". I've always pronounced like he did. : /
I feel like Twilight Princess is just incredibly nervous at this point, after watching all the other games getting absolutely destroyed
Killing the post man actually warps you to the credits, I figured that out a decade ago
Excuse me what😂
Super interesting video. I've always considered TP the game I'd take up were I to get into speedrunning and I've been casually following any% for a while now. I have an immense amount of respect for glitch hunters and seriously believe they'll find a way to dismantle TP further. It's only a matter of time.
Barrier Skip 2 Electric Boogaloo
I remember using moonjump codes to beat Twilight Princess in under an hour as a kid, from the very beginning of the game. So frustrating that it's not possible when all you really need to beat the game is a way to gain a lot of vertical height, and final blow (especially when the boomerang already gives a way to jump long horizontal distances). The fact that there aren't any explicit item checks in Hyrule Castle that can't be avoided with already known movement tech makes it seem tantalizingly close, especially with how liberally Nintendo used explicit item checks in the rest of TP.
shut up
The problem is how limited we are because of Castle Town's inventory restrictions. If there's a crack in the wall collision like with WW's barrier, we might be able to clip through somehow, but I do not know how we would do it if we can't use most items.
It's weird seeing Twilight Princess's story/main quest being destroyed this way with the speedruns.
How is it "weird"?
These types of videos are amazing. Showing what pieces of the puzzle are missing to help spark people into looking into it. As a glitch hunter myself i fully respect this! Good Job!
Ahhh i love the elusive glitches videos
Interesting to see German in Speedruns more often in the latest Zelda games, since usually all the speedrunners use Japanese for its shorter text boxes. Especially for me as a German guy. Finally I can read while watching! ;-)
i also was very surprised to hear the german voices in Breath of the Wild Speedruns
I think it's because German has one glitched text box, that in all other versions you can't close as quickly
Hmm, really? you read game text when watching speedruns? My equivalent will be Spanish but I don't find speedruns any more interesting when the game is in my language, and I don't care about reading game text either
wind waker is typically done in the italian version
unless that changed after barrier skip
@@Martykun36 only on HD, since text speed doubled in all non Japanese languages compared to Japanese.
Let's not forget about the arbitrary code execution in OoT
He said 2019, ACE got implemented in 2020
@@brandy0438 ACE was 2019, but ACE in any% wasnt until 2020 (which is what this video was talking about)
@MegaFelicks i was clarifying for people that might be confused, because the ACE thing had certainly been going on in 2019.
Funny enough, ACE has only saved about 4 minutes in any%.
@@FlamingZelda3 as a proportion though, thats huge. it hadnt had a timesave that big for about 7 years
i’m not into speed running so i’m not sure why the algorithm recommended me this video. but even as an outsider looking in, this was super interesting and i’m probably gonna check out more of your videos :)
Love these videos. Very glad to see they aren't going away anytime soon!
I really love watching these videos. I actually understand what's happening in speedruns I'm not following for a change. And your voice is just made for explaining stuff. Very nice to listen to
You explaining the death priority over cutscene made me understand the bug that a friend showed me years ago, when you die and just in time you reset the console, you respawn in the home-screen map and you can control link on the home screen.
Now i understand, upon reseting the console still has in memory that link died, so when it loads the homescreen map it then does the most important thing next, it respawns link.
omg the video is so detailed that gymnast is just worked so hard on this game! Love his videos and this game
i like a lot these Elusive Glitches videos. This was very interesting
or as TomatoAnus calls it, "Speedcucked"
@@DiscipleGames I don'tknow what sounds better: "Speedcucked" or the nickname "TomatoAnus"
Forgot how beautiful this game is even on the gamecube version.
The gamecube had realy good looking games!
Great video Gym! I loved your narration and the flow of your script. Keep it up!
Thanks Gymnast, I don't know why, but your glitch exploration and explanation videos are the best there are... That I've seen anyway. :)
TP is my second favorite Zelda game and I would love to see some new discoveries in the game. Thanks for the video Gymnast! Your contributions are appreciated
My prediction is that there will be a glitch called Epona Everywhere, and that will break open the game.
i havent played the game in years now, so how would Epona help?
Ciaran Gale it was explained in the video. With Epona, it is possible to duplicate the Fishing Rod, causing the game’s memory to get used up.
In theory, this could be done to have a similar Barrier Skip to Wind Waker, where the barrier is passed by unloading it from the game’s memory.
These speedrun trick explanation vids are great. You are good at narration Gym
For once a single roadblock in a Nintendo game doesn't run on spaghetti code
This video was very easy to follow even for someone like me who's never played TP. Good job on that! Really interesting video
This is currently my favorite CZcams series. Keep it up!
Loved this video! Great insights, great length. Would watch more content like this.
Gymnast, you really deserve more attention and views and subcribers. All these scripted videos are incredibly insightful, and you're a legend at Zelda speedrunning. It's top tier content for sure, I don't know why you're not getting more of a following.
Just discovered your channel, and I love this series!
Is there some method to "store" deaths? I'd imagine that would have some potential
For having zero interest in speed running twilight, this was hella interesting to watch.
I just got recommended this video, and would very much enjoy something like this as a series
"We still need the double clawshots to beat the palace of twilight"
>Link clinging to a wall with a floor literally right below him.
These videos are incredible. I'm sure they take a lot of effort, but please make more! AND FAST!!!
When ever he says "unfortunately" I cry inside. "WHY DO YOU TEASE USSSS!!!"
Im still waiting for someone to find the glitch I accidently pulled off back when I was in school in 2009. I somehow managed to cause the game to load the 3rd phase ganon fight instead of the big goblin fight when I broke out of the forced "get on the horse and rescue the kid" scene.
Wait, excuse me?? Can you elaborate on this? You mean fighting the big goblin on the Eldin Bridge while saving Colin?
Like, when you get the cutscene of the big goblin racing thru the village, then link gets on the horse to rush after them and ur supposed to jump over the fence with the horse.
This was my 2nd (normal run cuz I wanted to replay the game, so no glitches ect were used in this run), although when that cutscene ends, you stand there and the kids are telling u to go save the kid, and some how I managed to get behind them, left thru the southwestern entrance, came back in, and just looked around, as for what I exactly did, I don't remember the steps. but once I finished goofing off, I got on the horse and went to fight, but instead of the normal horse chase with the big goblin, it loaded the horse chase with gannon... and I do remember the camera freaking out, cuz it played that quick scene where they talk and Zelda says that she will shoot, then the camera shot all the way a different spot, then back to where link/Zelda are at, and the fight resumed, although the game crashed after beating ganon.
At that time, I had no knowledge of speedrunning, ect. So I assumed its just a natural glitch I stumbled upon like many other games ive seen. But the more recently within the past few years I got into it and how some of the glitches are pulled off (and with recently me getting into zeldatp speedrunning) im beginning to think it wasn't a scratch on the disk or just a extreme rng chance, considering how other glitches work in relations to other gamecube glitches. So im assuming and crossing my fingers that I some how manipulated the game to load that fight instead of the other, tho.. I don't know how that would happen, and hoping someone or I stumble upon it again.Edit: Although.. When it happened it was a normal playthrough, so Im not entirely sure if doing certain skips cause it not to work.. >.
@@memebowdashpoposhy1699 damn, I would so try to mess with this myself if I actually had the GameCube version, but I only got the Wii version. TP is my favorite Zelda game of all time, and I'm currently on Arbiters Ground, working to beat the game for like the 8th time (idk how many times I've beaten it, I've lost count 😂)
This was very interesting and informative! Thanks!
Wind Waker: Barrier Skip
Twilight Princess: Literally anything
Please more, I love these kind of videos
Gymnast, I want you to know I will forever remember you as the most prolific, legendary LoZ speedrunner
I'm a man of culture. I see someone doing a break down of my favourite Zelda game's glitches I like.
It was a one off fluke that I never figured out how to reproduce, but I had a wrong warp occur in the Gamecube version of TP when I was a little kid. I didn’t understand what was going on and assumed I hadn’t paid attention to some dialogue, but after quite literally getting stuck because I didn’t have the proper items and consulting the guide, I reset the game 😂
It was centered around one of the Bridge fights, I think the Eldin one.
Did you get warped to the bridge or were you on the bridge when you warped?
I had a dream last night that I discovered a strange cutscene glitch in skyward sword last night. How weird, I don't even know how the game got in my head but now you've uploaded this...
It's like when your phone brings up adverts you've been talking about. Looks like Google has some kind of dream reader now too.
Google actualy listen to literaly everything you say on your phone and store data about what you say to advertisers btw... You can test it yourself, try talking about car brands with a friend for 5 minutes or so, later that day go on youtube and pay close attention to your adds, there will be more adds about car than usual. it works with almost every topic. Of course you can deactivate that though, you have to deactivate the ''ok google'' trigger. it's hidden somewhere deep into your google account's settings...
@@loic7867 doesn't bother me, I'm not interesting enough for them to want to kidnap me so 🤷♂️
Very charmy to see one of them less breakable honestly. Love Zelda and love speedruns!
This game got me into speedrunning, I would love to see what you can figure out!
Quality content as usual. Nice one
Love these!
Don't we all?
This game is so beautiful for its time, very unique and very tedious. It took me forever to beat this game even though the map is small there were lots to do and I’m a perfectionist so I did everything
Testing the curse of Gymnast Elusive Glitches videos I see
I really like this series, keep them coming. Legit like crack.
From what I see, the inability to use items near the Castle Door is caused by the loading zone. If there was a way to access the door trigger while the game thinking we were in Hyrule Field, we could move further and find more glitches. Wind Waker has recently been really broken into, so who knows? Maybe that glitch will happen
TFW OOT ACE is from 2020 so it doesn't get mentioned
Love this series. Has the same knowledge and explanations like Narcissas old barrier skip video and the narration has even as much personality as that vid too.
I miss these kinds of videos, nothing quite like them on the platform
Nice video Mr. Nast
8:52
Link teabagging
Tp speedruns are so cool man
Early ms is so cool
And boomerang jump is AAAAH
I love these videos dude
Janon is the king of the Jerudos
Super interesting video! I feel like something will be found eventually.
I recently caught a Hylian Loach at the fishing hole a bit too far from the water so the fish was stuck flopping around on the ground making a motor sound. Doesn't really do anything for the game but it was pretty funny. (This was in HD, btw)
Audio is so much better in this one compared to old videos 👍
I watched this with my two eyes and enjoyed it =)
Ah twilight princess...you poor poor speedgame
YOU GOT A BLUE RUPEE
ironicaly a bluepee could potentialy be used to skip the castle door, but it would require a lot of time and so it has not been tried.
I wonder if like Ocarina of Time 3D's early explosives, we might be looking for the wrong thing. Who knows?
Are there any unseen differences between the Wii versions and the GCN versions? What if something might be possible on the Wii that wasn't thought to be on the GCN?
Is it possible to lay a bomb directly before the start of a cutscene and then take damage from it after the cutscene has started? If you could somehow use that to die in the middle of a cutscene, before the cutscene transitions to a different location (like from the desert to the Twilight Palace) then this could be used to warp.
Then again, I wouldn't be surprised if the game purposely keeps you from getting damaged during a cutscene, so we'd need to find a workaround for that first.
Also, isn't there also another cutscene that takes place in the Twilight Palace, right after you beat the water temple? (Where Midna flashes back to Zant first coming to power). If you can't act before the desert cutscene starts, maybe we could use this one.
Dire, Dire, Docs bombs can’t trigger during cutscenes. And that particular cutscene is triggered from enter the canon at fyers so you won’t be able to place a bomb any way :/
I was Thinking the SAME thing
@@Thursyy even if the cutscene starts when link enters thecanon, his theory still makes sence, ou could still manage to time the bomb explosion. Your first point is true though... Edit: this made me remember that when you reset the game right as you die in quicksand (right when the cutscene ends) you reappear at the brige fight but on the title screen.... I feel like maybe there is potential in finding other related glitch to manage to die when entering the tw realm...
Loïc Sprutta the bomb wouldn’t move locations with link since it’s not part of the cutscene flags. Still good thinking :)
Make it happen, guys! You've torn apart SS, WW, MM and OoT, you can figure out TP too!
Then Spirit Tracks :p
Not happening, that game is pretty much on rails.
@@chrisjohnson8474 Well, Zelda speedruns have been going off the tracks these past few months :p
@@chrisjohnson8474 lmao
Have you tried picking up a ruppee in front of Hyrule castle?
Here's another theory, what if it would be possible to load the Ganon Boss fight near Eldin Bridge? After all if you beat Ganon you win the game and all that is required during that fight is having the Ending Blow and Master Sword.
Yeah I was wondering why he didn't talk about this possibility too...
i really like this video!
Love this guys voice.
We need more glitch hunters working on TP. I feel like there's no way that there isn't at least one huge glitch that slipped past the devs and bug testers that people haven't found or thought of yet
very informative video
Ive never heard Gerudo said with a soft G. Great video, love this series
Nice video 😊👍
Have they tried a bottle and or bug net???
Nice Vid!
Holy hell I’d never even seen GameCube Twilight Princess before this.
Aw, who dislikes these videos? They're very informative