Elusive Glitches: The Case of the Gate of Time
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- čas přidán 13. 07. 2024
- In this video I explore one of the biggest roadblocks in today's Skyward Sword glitch hunting efforts, the Gate of Time. I hope you guys enjoy the video and feedback is always welcome. Also sorry that the video resolution is bad, I'll make sure that doesn't happen next time.
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#elusiveglitches #gateoftime #skywardswordglitches - Hry
It's absurdly funny that the "Gate of Time" is preventing people from speedrunning more efficiently XD
Oh my, I had not realized the irony until now, wow
@@NightClawprower like Solar Sans would have said: "oh wow"
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Skyward Sword: "But first, we need to talk about parallel layerverses."
Zelda Skyward Sword: Into the Layerverse
skyward sword:"here,take an unused layer 0 and schrödingers birdstatue"
In this video, I'll be explaing what I do to beat Skyward Sword in 0.5 sword swings...
"I am four universe ahead "
@@percher4824 you can do it in 0, right?
It's like the devs put in a ton of effort doing obscure things no normal player would ever see _specifically_ to spite speedrunners.
It's probably optimisation, the glitchunter's friend and foe
@@satibel Unloading stuff when Link goes out of bounds smells like optimization to me. Im not sure what purpose it has, maybe transitioning to load screens faster?
@@Araragi298 the most probable answer is that it frees ram. (The wii has only 64MB of general purpose ram, and 24MB for the gpu)
it might also be that it loads the next zone, which is empty but still unloads the other.
It may also be that it avoids looping on a trigger, like you go back in and out of the zone if you stay on the same spot if both were loaded?
Honestly that makes me happy. Any% is usually pretty dumb
Half the fun is breaking the game. If it was too easy it wouldn’t be fun.
The Gate of time skip is the new barrier skip.
How to beat undertale in 2 seconds
@@icicleditor wrong game.
guess my train got off at the wrong timeline
Pls explain to me what the barrier skip is.
Is it from Twilight princess?
@@javelinmaster2 no i believe its from wind waker. There used to be an impassible invisible barrier untill not to long ago where people found out finally how to glitch and pass it
On some level, the "gate of time" is every speedrunner's archenemy.
Wait theoretically you could use the gate of time to shave off some time? (Get it because you travel back in time via the gate of time)
@@jaydentt imagine a speedrun where the player goes through the game at a horrible pace but when they pass through the gate of time, the timer goes back to zero, or maybe even a really big negative number. Boom, world record by technicality.
@@roc-noK hahahahaha i like how you think my dude
me: never has played, seen, or cared about skyward sword
also me: really needs to know why speedrunners cant skip things in skyward sword
*_You better play Skyward Sword some time_*
It's not just Skyward Sword but any speedrun skip explanations or potential skips etc.
@Batman's Wife ok then
Skyward Sword is a wonderful game is a must-play for any Zelda fan imo. The people who whine about the motion-controls incessantly are just mad because they suck at it.
Samuel Cho no
I love the unironic use of "the grooseinator" in this video
"grooseinator"
I love it too, but it's nothing special. That's what Groose names his catapult thing that you use in the second and third Imprisoned fights.
@@amazinblasian117/videos/videos
Yes.
That's the joke.
THE GROOSE
IS LOOSE
Scub
But that's what it's called that's it's official name there is nothing wrong with that
You've been shorted
You've been thwarted
Skyward Sworded
Fi is annoy
Documenter haha Ok thank you
Documenter haha r/nobodyasked
It was mentioned in a comment on the last elusive glitch video, but I'd love to see a video explaining why the once-elusive things (like the Sandship Boss Key) are now possible. Also the theatrics were a nice touch.
Most of these wouldn't be that interesting. It would pretty much be "we RBM some shit" and that's it
again, they just checked all skyloft flags when RBM was first found and faron flags when Faron RBM was found. then checked which one matched with useful things pretty much everywhere
I feel like even for a single video it's not necessarily enough content
many of the things are still not really possible,but they are just bypassed by a faster route. that is literally all there is to it
Me too
Speedrunner: “You can’t defeat me.”
The Imprisoned: “I know, but he can.” *gate of time*
HAHAHAHAHAHAHQHAHAHAHAHSHSUSUAUA
Only speedrunners would be annoyed that there's things to do in a videogame before finishing it.
And games journalists
@@fighterjetmadeofbiceps3518 game journalists will hate just about everything about games, except for like youtube channels based on reviews (its a bit more split, but generally they're more fair / accepting and will even give tips on what could have been improved) but like most big game journalists / companies and shit almost always just shit on every little thing and more often then not only play a few minutes - maybe an hour or two
@@DivineXPotato (cough) IGN, [cough] Rain World, {wheeze} PMD, and *death* Sonic
@cursedex Have you ever heard of filler?
Anjolie Barrios “man :( I cant sequence break this game it must be filler”
The saga that is the battle against Skyward Sword's code is facinating.
It baffles my mind how this mechanic has existed since Ocarina of Time in almost the exact same way described here, in probably almost every single game made since then. That's some impressive longevity.
Not to mention all the in game mechanics (z-targeting, etc)
Which mechanic? BiTmagic?
@@calfriedman6981 The way scene event flags are handled. Theoretically BiT should be possible in OoT as well, but I don't think the game loads the save files when you select them, so it's not possible to produce the same effect. Maybe it's possible with the default save data?
@@MNGoldenEagle It's fine we got ACE.
zelda games: youll never find this glitch
glitch hunters and speed runners: We found hyrule barrier skip, we found majoras mask debug menu, how many times do we have to teach you this lesson old man?
why this make me chuckle so loud
I think you forgot about wrong warping and moon warp.
@@trentthen642 MoonWarp is new, wasnt it discoverd Last month?
Sapradon
It was discovered November.
@@trentthen642 i was near then ;)
I would say that this could be a good argument for testing a games design, the longer the speed run compared with the intended game length, the better the games technical build.
Considering how long speed runs take to mature, and how they keep improving years (and sometimes decades) after release, you'd need a gate of time to utilise that in the development.
@@TlalocTemporal nice pun
What about breath of the wild any% speedrun
@@CristianGomez-yu8gp but they designed the game so you could, it would be hard but you could do it. hence having to fight all four of gannons forms before the main fight, they intended it, so the speed run, isn't all that much shorter than what the designers probably intended for those hard core challenge seekers, the rest of the game is just fluff for the rest of us that love the world and the lore.
Perhaps "shortest intended route" is a better criterion then
Speedrunners: I-
Gate of Time: YOU WILL NEVER REACH THE TRUTH!
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Dude, why is SS so well programmed dude??? Every sequence break is either ALMOST possible or not useful and it makes the current routes so jarring dude!
@Hydra Most games aren't made to be pathed in a Speedrun (exceptions being games like Speedrunners From Hell, Clustertruck, etc.). A game with so few opportunities to sequence break/glitch successfully is just a sign of very solid coding skills on the company's end.
i remember times were it took ~6 hours to any% run this game. The game already lost so much to glitch hunters and runners, let it at least have it’s last piece of dignity, the gate of time.
@@Caipi2070 lucky you xD this game used to take a fair bit longer than that
Gohobogo
Ahahaha "well programmed"??!?!!?! BiT magic, BiT warping, BiT itself, wrong warping is all well programmed?
@@trentthen642 Say, how many games have you programmed?
Gymnast: Explaining arbitrary errors on how the gate of time skip isnt possible
Me: Still wanting early hyrule castle in tp
@@trentthen642 ???
Onavi 1
Lol never mind
TP is still crying
Oh come on !
We already broke up this game so bad that we can get the MS in less than 20 minutes !
I want my HD gate clip without Epona
i don’t know why i’m here or why i watched the whole thing when i don’t speedrun or watch speedruns
Event tick so fun. I was taught to never use it, unless necessary. So Nintendo probably knew of the potential for glitches and layered as much security on this guy as possible. So they tossed away a good bit of memory for this one place.
out of bounds bird statues
"clocktown theme starts playing"
really unfortunate that skyward sword doesnt have ISG and bomb hovering
Yet. Majora's Mask has been under the magnifying glasses of speedrunners for far longer than Skyward Sword. Who knows what we'll discover in the future?
Time to discover a Reverse-Upside Down-BiT Magic technique
Which involves loading flags set by Twilight Princess
Mobius Double Reacharound BITVirus
How do you bitwarp
Regular players: There's not enough to do in Skyward Sword wtf
Speedrunners: There's too much to do in Skyward Sword wtf
Speedrunners: I bet I can get a new glitch to beat SS in less time.
Gate of Time: Hold my Layer.
Are you sure it's safe to meddle with time travel to such a degree? Could rip a hole in the universe. Or maybe cause a calamity in all 3 timelines.
Anyway, I wish you the best of RNG
You could time travel to shave off time
and people wonder how calamity ganon came into existence some say they found the gate of time skip others say it was because they messed with the fabric of time too much though no one would ever know the truth not even if they wished on the triforce
"I couldn't skip the Time Gate due to RNG, dude."
Can the beetle load actors for link? if so, could you launch the beetle into the temple while standing next to the OOB bird statue and see if you can interact with it after you recall it? Or maybe see if an actor stays loaded if an arrow is stuck in it? or even a heart arrow (heart that you shoot with an arrow)? Just spitballing ideas out.
I love this series! It shows how broken, yet stubborn these games are. They are all really interesting case studies.
Came here from the video where he skips the gate of time 🥳
This video is really cool and informative on a huge question in SS speedrunning.
Complex stuff like this is why i love zelda speed runs. It seems like every game has some huge skip thats either possible or just out of reach
Wow, this was an experience. A roller coaster of hope and the crushing of said hope. In all seriousness, really great explanations and presentation. Thank you gym, I'm crossing my fingers the skip gets discovered someday.
I love these sort of "unsolved mysteries" style videos about glitches in Skyward sword. You should do this with more Zelda games!
That ending was so good! Amazing job at explaining everything, very enjoyable.
Thank you for this series, it's always amazingly fascinating
The game:(fights back)
Detroit:Become Human
Man, I really like these types of videos
You are such an entertaining presenter! This was great and felt really easy to follow, as someone who has very little knowledge and understanding of game mechanics
I love whenever these videos come out, more more more! (:
Is video they're pretty cool. I hadn't really considered this side of gaming but I love the clear and concise way that you present these topics
So opening the gate of time itself adds at least 2 hours . . . Well that sucks
I've always wanted to take a deeper look at these things, glad I found this :) great explanation!
something about needing to open the gate of time to skip the gate of time is rather narratively fitting for the gate of time.
ahh you filled the void pannenkoek left with these cool ass narrated speedrun super glitch explanation videos
please keep making these. they're great. i love learning about crazy old school 3d coding oddities like the parallel universes in sm64 and this kinda stuff. i mean hell you even got the layers here which are basically the same thing lol
These videos are always great!
I've never played zelda and have no idea how I got here but this is cool
Great video, I enjoy elusive glitches a lot
Y'know I always hear the story about how Miyamoto had nightmares about glitches, and with how surprisingly stable Skyward Sword is in regards to sequence breaking, I'm starting to believe it
It's actually kinda disappointing. You look at how torn apart Ocarina of Time or Wind Waker are, able to be beaten in minutes, meanwhile Skyward Sword goes "Nope you gotta play the game for 2 hours"
And even after the BiTMagic and reverse BiTmagic tricks, Skyward Sword is otherwise so stable that the trick for these otherwise intractable actions is literally to skip it all. Had the arcane magic not been possible, these would still be problems.
These videos are so interesting! Thank you!
Great content as always gym
Loved the random theatrics 👍 You made that gate seem OP
This beong the only instance of a Bird Statue loading OOB, the statue unloading the frame Link leaves bounds, and Story Flags only being doable their vanilla way in RBM only further convinces me Nintendo fully knew about BM/RBM before release lmao. I've believed it ever since the Elusive Glitches video on Sandship's Boss Key. THEY KNEW. I mean, they programmed it all, so it was probably easier for them to find this stuff
Skyward Sword, still teasing us with these elusive skips. Hope to see more
Barrier Skip 2: gymnast boogaloo
Great vídeo! I love this kind of video
Very well done Gymnast!
I love your videos. Keep it up.
*Well take this, you deserve it.
**gymnast86 acquired a new sub!*
I know nothing of speedruns or glitching games and yet.... here I am.
Fascinating.
You should do entire videos in that old-timey news-reporter style tbh. It's so good
Loved the theatrics, A+
Link at 1:28 when you're trippin' but you're trying to pay attention to your mom speaking
I watch all of these videos every few months because they are so damn interesting and entertaining.
Watching this after Early Bossrush and other advancements is hilarious, the Gate of Time still needs to be raised and opened yeah but 99% of the requirements (fire sanctuary/ancient cistern, silent realm items...) have been axed. Good job!
Ah, yes. It's Majora's Mask index warp coming back again. We must find out how to do this.
The Legend of Gym
I can never hear Gym’s voice without thinking of JOTWAD in TP.....
Clicked because I recognized those symbols in the thumbnail from Oracle of Ages on GBC.
I'm really loving the Elusive Glitches series. It's fun to see just how many roadblocks everything in Skyward Sword seems to have lol. But I do have a crazy weird idea I'm wondering about. If you get into the Temple of Time in Lanayru without activating the Zelda Escape sequence, there is another Gate of Time there, since you can peak through some cracks and look inside there before beating the dungeon. I just wonder, how functional is this Gate of Time? I'd imagine they just added the same model in Lanayru as in the Sealed Temple. Could you theoretically skip the whole rising sequence, and focus on getting True Master Sword to activate the Gate of Time in Lanayru?
As far as I can tell, the closed Gate of Time in the Temple of Time doesn't react to anything. On one layer where it's open though, it simply softlocks when you try to use it: czcams.com/video/6BHXmzcfd_s/video.html
Ah damn. Interesting that it works at all though. I wonder why it softlocks. Since there's no fadeout at all it would seem there's a lack of loading zone entierly, not just a defunct exit value. And that sounds like something that can't really be overcome, no matter the glitches discovered. Shame, this would have made for some really interesting speedrun routes i think.
2:05 that was so pannenkoek2012 like. I missed the select file track from Super Mario 64
Really love the tragedy that is Skyward Sword
Hi! New viewer. Quick question.
...What the heck is Reverse Bit Magic and why the heck didn't you explain it in a video that relies on the viewer knowing what it is? XD
I think it involves using back in time glitch and basically loading a save as you use a bird statue look up "back in time glitch skyward sword" and maybe "skyward sword reverseBitMagic"
I'm not a speed runner but I can try to explain. Back in time (BiT) is a glitch that is used to save the title screen onto a profile. Once we have this save, we can do a bunch of wacky things. Reverse BiT magic is new and I dont yet know how it works, but that's the basics
@@cal276 I think reverseBitMagic is saving at a bird statue and loading a save at the same time because from what I can understand basically because every map is usually around 0, 0, 0 and if you save at a bird statue and load a save the game I think loads the coordinates from the bird statue you just saved at in the save you loaded and whatever layer that was active in the title screen
@@cal276 also when you do bit you can't have a save that can keep the status of having the title screen and gameplay if you save in the title screen (no loading another save) and close the game and reload it, it won't have the title screen (like when you reload the save)
There is a another video on his chanel
I, too, want to play as little of Skyward Sword as possible
A thing i've always wondered is if the gate of time in lanayru actually works if you could get to it before impa shatters it.
Great video as always ty
The Gate of Time in Lanayru softlocks if you try to open it. Though we aren't able to naturally get into a situation like this to begin with: czcams.com/video/6BHXmzcfd_s/video.html
Great video! Could you make one on how arbitrary story flags would influence the route? Thank you for your awesome work.
I just found out this was finally cracked! A little late to the party, it would be really awesome to get an update video to find out about that journey
I know it was probably like two years ago but man I wanna know
Someone just needs to break the command blocks lmao
Yo what if you just completed most of the game and openning the gate of time set the story flag in that save file, you could get that and put into the new save file?
Or could you even just complete the gate of time in reverse bit magic thingy and then have the value of the story flag to put into the file you are running?
Love these vids do more please
I came for the glitch info, and I stayed for the random theatrics.
1:30 Link looks extremely concerned
I really loved that clever usage of the Wind Waker barrier breaking sound effect at the end.
(... I feel like this comment should be longer, but there's not much else to say about it lol)
Gymnast, how would you perform a new Skyward Sword glitch if you found one that requires to lose a couple of minutes save on one part but at the end you would have a last minute chop off of minutes?
DAMN YOU SKYWARD SWORD!
Conclusion, developers have put a lot of time to make they code robust as fuck
i hope u have a nice day too, gym
I never thought that the day where GoT skip would happen and potentially be faster would actually come... but Pepper pulls out a rabbit from the hat with death trick
Oops
can we do back in time durring a cut scene or activate a cut scene while in back in time to set a fifferent storry flag
How is the sky keep only slightly faster than all those other dungeons and items from the current run?
Could you use RBM to save at the sealed grounds temple?
What if you do the RBM after saving at the Behind the Temple save statue ?
It sure would help if you defined what reverse bitmagic is far earlier in the video
Gate of time is SO cool, it looks so good
Past that yeah glitches be hell, if we could skip got then it would be easy.
Hmm, is it possible to overflow the value being written to story triggers while traveling back in time? (E.g. by triggering the same story sequence multiple times while back in timing? Or just repeated back in times)
I mean a flag is either set or it isn't the number of times you set it doesn't matter
The gate of time is a cruel mistress. Allowing for a new discovery just to crush hope once again.
Very fascinating stuff! Always interesting to see how games work and how we can (or can't) break them, lol.
Speaking of which, I've never really understood, from a technical standpoint, why the layer of indirection for scene flags and temporary flags exists at all. I thought maybe it was because you can't write directly to that area of memory, but being able to write directly to the story flag array seems to disprove that?
Probably a performance thing. Story flags are often tied to events accompanied by cutscenes, whereas the others are just from simple actions like pushing logs. Having it separate allows faster reading (as it just has to check the current scene and not load a big array) and likely allows the array to be asynchronously updated, avoiding framerate drops or the like. In the situations story flags are set, that's not really a concern.
@@LilacMonarch Yeah, I could see that! Would make sense.
can we get these loz glitch finders to hop into journey and figure out how to escape the pink desert (but also it's niche as hell i'd love a journey glitch series). i'm loving your zelda videos i'm not the community but find it interesting
Nice video
man, i need to play skyward sword again.
Could you do early goddess silent realm to unlock the sky keep, complete the sky keep, and use that scene flag to get to temple of hylia layer 2? Idk maybe I'm just dumb