Windows XP Gaming Monitor Doesn't Disappoint
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- čas přidán 4. 08. 2022
- I picked up this Viewsonic VX724 while getting parts for my 20th Anniversary Windows XP build as a consolation for not being able to find the monitor I originally wanted until the last minute. But giving it a shot here...it's surprising in a number of ways. Including, as far as I can tell, being the first monitor geared towards gamers with its extremely quick response times!
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I remember selling those back in the day. One sale in particular I remember is an old bloke was adamant he HAD to have it over any other monitor on the display. I thought 'oh cool, his old guy is a gamer'. Nope, he was a birdwatcher and loved the birds on the box.
I can relate
Wholesome
aw thats wholesome
Back when I was in computer sales, we sold tons of Viewsonic monitors. Because of that, we had a Viewsonic sales rep, and at some point the rep gave us a teddy bear of the Viewsonic birds.
One day, a guy came into the store wanting to buy like 5 or 6 monitors, and I'm pretty sure it was this exact monitor that I convinced him to buy. But as I was closing the sale, the guy was adamant that the only way I was gonna close the sale was if he could get one of those teddy bear Viewsonic birds. So I called up our rep, to see if he could help me out to close this sale. He just chuckled, saying that was the first time someone had requested that to close the sale (usually it was always cheaper pricing he'd get called about). A short time later, our rep came in with the birds, and the sale was closed.
People really did just seem to love those birds. People would buy a Viewsonic monitor over a Samsung or BenQ just so they could look at those birds on their monitor.
@@rustybobdotca Look man, those birds have a certian charm to them. I don't blame people for wanting the b i r d s.
The 3 little Viewsonic birds brings back memories of when I worked in an office. Everybody wanted a Viewsonic monitor because of the cute birds :-)
Can confirm, the Dell monitors from 2004 were excellent.
Still wouldn't have bought one over a nice CRT.
But confession: I never bought either and dumped that money into the PC instead.
Rocked the 17 inch 1280x1024 standard CRT for a very, very long time.
I think that dark blue bezel with the silver makes it match the keyboard, speakers, and mouse a lot more than the other monitor. It really brings it all together.
So not sure about this one, but my copy is black and silver....
It never ceases to surprise me how we can watch a video like this with the utmost visual attention and only halfway through it realize the monitor displayed can, in the most ideal conditions, only look as good as our own monitor will allow.
You'd be hard pressed to find a modern monitor worse than the ones from 2004.
@@Agret Maybe a projector, or a mobile device (that is also old)
One thing i noticed about all of these used LCDs from mid 00s is how “warm”/yellow-tinted their image is. I had a couple of 22 inch Eizos and ViewSonics, really quite high end displays of their days, and they all had this issue. I can somewhat see the same with your Samsung. Could it be the CCFL backlight getting tired? At any rate, a brand new LCD like this is a really nice find.
I have a ThinkPad R52 with a yellowed backlight on its internal display, and when it began yellowing, it started from the outer edges and worked its way in over time. That could provide a clue as to what might have happened.
small tip you can convert the background lighting from CCFL to LED, kits are available cheap. on ebay. For monitors a bit complicated to convert, for laptops there are more expensive and special kits but there the exchange is much easier. I did this on my X200t with AFFS display and it was worth it, after that the display took on an X230t IPS panel and beat it in some points.
The yellowing comes from aging CCFL fluorescent tubes.
Might be - CCFLs do fade to yellow. But - it might also be that you're used to LED backlighting which often has a very high color temperature for efficiency reasons.
Your eyes get used to this - so a nominal 5500K CCFL backlight will look extremely yellow compared to a native, uncalibrated LED backlight that may be around 7500K colour temperature or even more.
@@laurens4359 You're right of course, but the CFFL were at their end, it was also noticed in the temperature development and visually also when removing clear signs of the CCFL itself. LEDs have the problem that they usually have a high blue component
its phosphor uv degradation, shifts warm
The Viewsonic is a TN type LCD which is why it still holds up, the Sony is a VA type LCD which is why it has smearing, not much has changed for those but IPS LCD has replaced TN for most gamers up to 240Hz due to its better image quality, TN in still used in the fastest niche 300-500Hz displays. BTW aperturegrille has some great tools to test monitors with.
don't IPS panels have really bad response times?
@@slimeprivilege In general, TN and VA panels go FAST. IPS panels look GOOD. There is a relatively new tech called "fast IPS" which claws back some of the speed loss to TN/VA. But if you want the fastest monitor its going to be TN/VA. VA differs from TN in a similar vein as fast IPS. Where fast IPS makes IPS faster, VA makes TN more color accurate by reorienting the pixels in a vertical, rather than horizontal, arrangement. This gives a MUCH improved color and viewing angle profile while retaining the speed.
The Acer Predator X35 is an excellent example of VA tech in use. Excellent color accurate, fast, and good viewing angles. The X34 (its baby brother) is fast IPS. same color accuacy, better viewing angles, slightly slower. I have both and prefer the X35 (not just for the HDR additions either).
If you are buying an LCD display in 2022, Fast IPS or VA are the way to go.
@@slimeprivilege IPS did get much better in response time in the last 5 years
@@RedHealerMatt I have a VA panel now. Came from cheap TN panels over the past 2 decades. This is the first time I've noticed terrible smearing on something that isn't a laptop.
Hey it's fantastic if the contrast is an intense change due to overdrive, but dark to a little less dark is so damn smeary.
I tolerate it because contrast ratio is more important to me, and OLED isn't cheap enough.
I have viewsonic xg2401 and 2402 TN panel for gaming and I love them
I bought a VX724 new back in the days. Still in use today(as secondary monitor). Superb quality monitor. Only thing that breaks is the on button 😂
That reminds me of when I had a HP F1503 monitor that had a broken power button, I couldn't fix it at the time, so I instead just used Monoff (I was using Windows XP at the time) to stop the GPU from outputting through the VGA port until I moved the mouse.
Easy repair!
Yeah mine has something weird with the menu button iirc.
I had the VX724 or another one with the same chassis but the caps on mine called quits. I had to lower the brightness at least at medium setting and avoid at all costs any white screens or it would shut off. As long as those pixels didn't demand too much energy it would work fine.
The backlight failed on mine after 4 years.
Looking at the design (especially the base), I can see where HP got their inspiration from when designing their ubiquitous L1710 monitor...
Glad to see another Microsoft Comfort Keyboard 4000, been gaming on mine for way too long and only recently upgrading to try a mechanical but the Comfort 4000 is just so nice to use. Still have the mouse (no longer use) and the itype software to edit the macro keys. Glad that you decided to use one for your setup!
"Yes I game on a Microsoft comfort keyboard how could you tell? 🗿"
The day that someone manages to make a mech version of a comfort 4000, I'll buy it instantly
Same! I have two!
Dude, it is so cool to see this video. My first monitor that wasn’t a CRT was the 19” VX924. Had many headshots with that bad boy.
Blimey, my first LCD monitor. I still have it here besides me. Amazing. I still prefered CRTs (still do) but the space saving was most welcome.
Classy design! Wouldn't even look out of place in a modern setup as a secondary screen
Nice video. Sorry to say it, but that time gaming on the PC was not a niche. The problem was that simply the technology of LCDs, TFTs to be fast enough, for display gaming stuff, was not there yet.
I could have worded that part a bit better, I more meant making a gaming focused LCD monitor by trying to get the response time down as much as possible. That wasn't worth pursuing until the technology got better like you mentioned.
Wow, happy that you could get the VX724, I remember the days when this monitor was new and I always wanted one, but I was unable to afford one, great video
15:00, it's overdrive, not overclock.
And usually overdrive does not go out of spec. If it has to drive pixel from 90% brightness to 30% brightness, only thing it does is that is sends a signal for a frame or two that this pixel should be only at 10% of brightness and then goes to 30%.
So even if it wears out pixels somehow, then switching between white and black picture would do it even more.
I thought overclocking was a common term for that function on monitors?
Or is that only for refresh rate
Not surprised it worked out of the box. We have two very old ViewSonic LCDs here that have been in service for many years and still going strong, a VG2030wm made July 24, 2008 and an even older VX2235wm that I can't find a date on, but which had to be made in 2006-07.
I upgraded from a 19" Hitachi CRT to a (Dell rebranded) Samsung 191T 19'' LCD in Jan 2003. Was quite happy with it for gaming! Had it on a VESA mount so I recovered like 2sq feet of desk space :D
Saw some of those Creative speakers on fb marketplace. I'm way tempted to get em for my CRT setup, what an amazing design. Been looking at a bunch of old computer speakers and it's bringing back tons of memories
So good video i love retro hardware, and yours channel have so qualty content. I recently build my Retro PC: Intel P4 HT @ 3.52GHz, ASUS P4P800-X, DDR 400 3GB, GIGABYTE HD 4650 1GB, 350W but still searching for good avalible monitor from that era :)
Back when I was working in computer sales back in the mid 2000s, I sold crap tons of this monitor. When we would have one of these on display, it did seem to have a better picture than the other monitors we had. The response time did seem to be noticeably better, but your red and tan demo there really shows the difference. I never knew that it was a 75Hz panel though. I never owned one though, and never really got to screw around with it too much while it was on display. This video definitely helped to explain exactly why it was so popular back in the day.
Awesome video! I have a similar viewsonic monitor but it needs new caps.
Everytime I see your Super Lanboy it reminds me of the Lanboy case I still have. I have had it from new and used it for a long time, although I rebuilt the pc and gave it to my son to use a few years ago. I'll probably end up swapping him a new case someday to get it back :)
I think it suits your setup pretty well, helps tie the black peripherals in with the silver case.
Personally, I might've been tempted by this back in the day. If I didn't already have a 19" Trinitron.
I do remember reading about how the LCD manufacturers managed to cheat those pixel response times, but I've never seen it in action before. At least not directly. I've seen how some lesser quality LCDs have weird smudged motion, which is what this ends up looking like if it's done badly. So it's interesting to see the actual pixels overshooting while switching colours.
Love your 2000s setup man. I'm surprised that this monitor looks better than most monitors today.
I have that same creative set, but the 5.1 channel series. The SB Live card is long dead but the surround set still runs strong and is hooked up to my workstation!
I've had that monitor for years, and used it for years, until about 2018 when I admitted I don't play games and got a (pair of) Dell UltraSharp U2518D (2.5k QHD). Something in the OSD circuitry had slowly gone bad, but I still have it and it has a special place in my heart. (It was maybe $350 new?) The stand makes a nice place to put a pencil case 😁
i had that viewsonic for years as my gaming monitor!!! it was a fantastic screen, and good for colour also.
I had that monitor back in the day, or another Viewsonic just like it. I think it was the very first LCD I bought, after hanging onto a CRT monitor until it died. It really was a big upgrade over prior LCD panels in terms of pixel response. But I remember the monitor would overshoot colors when making big transitions, like that red-to-tan example of yours. It wasn't distracting or anything, but it was definitely noticeable, especially with text. I have an AOC 4k monitor these days, and it basically does the same thing when its gaming mode is cranked up fully. But it lets you pick between three gaming modes, the middle of which strikes a good balance between latency and image quality.
OH MY GOD I HAVE THAT PC CASE! The antec super lanboy! Love how these cases look
I actively used mine from 2005 till it died due to bad apartment wiring and some power surging in 2017. It was on _constantly_ and was my primary display the entire time, until it died. It was a present when I went to college, and all I knew was I really liked my monitor all that time. I had no idea it was even classified as a 'gaming monitor' mine never had a sticker talking about the response time. It was so cool to learn about a piece of tech I feel pretty nostalgic about!
Would be nice to see the color correction after installing that included driver disk, viewsonic hide their icc profiles inside
i have a 19inch barely used and boxed model like this (vx924) with all the accessories, for the short time it worked it was an amazing display and looks absolutely amazing despite the blacks being a bit off due to the backlight bleed known on these monitors. It needs a recap after about a year of use in my xp gaming setup unfortunately. I'd consider a recap although others have said theirs have been running reliably for years, you never know and this monitor does get very hot.
I was using a gigantic 28" Sony Trinitron CRT at that time (I got it used from a publishing house) moving it around was a good work out. Don't miss it at all.
Wow someone else has an ANTEC Lanboy! I love mine. Bought it when I was young and held on to it.
This guy gives off heavy MetalJesusRocks vibes. Even the voice too lol. Great video man 👍🏽
I've used DVI for decades and always been happy. Up until november last year I upgraded to a 1440p 144hz monitor which only has HDMI and Display so I'm now using display.
Damn I miss WinXP... Win7 my last favorite OS.
8:31 EPIC fatality btw... 2 thumbs up
Omg, how did I know why you bring out the 3D display lol. I used one of those for my primary display for years, was the cheapest and best looking display with component when I got it for $100. Yeah the smearing is abysmal, literally noticed it the instant I started scrolling text and more so when playing games and I was coming from a >1080p VGA only LCD monitor from 2008 or so. The Minecraft test was almost nostalgic in a way, even after having stopped using it daily for lighter 1080p displays, I still expect that red on light colors to smear like redstone on sand. Got a much better display eventually that's far more accurate and bright, but what a memorable look
It uses a VA panel in case you were curious, which are generally cheaper than IPS but much prettier than TN still. And yeah, very very common problem on VA which is why you still only see them in very cheap displays. Only mildly fixed by high refresh rates
My first LCD was a similar one, the Viewsonic VX912. Still have it 😀
That Redstone demo reveal was super smooth and well done!
Very infomative, too.
You're supposed to leave the clear film taped on so you can draw a crosshair on it.
OG Far Cry, that’s the shit👍👍👍I could explore those hyper-lush islands forever.
LOVE 4:3 monitors. Sill have all of my flat LCD 4:3 monitors from the XP and 7 era.
I use Ubuntu 22.04 LTS btw. 😅
interesting but i look forward to the next video with the windows xp computer when you said at the end the extra parts you had will be installed
Fun Fact, you can still set your refresh rate in the same way in Windows 10.
There is also an easier options in the win10 settings.
My AOC Gaming monitor can also "overshoot", but you can control how much or if it does it in the settings.
I have the overdrive set to medium and that provides a good balance between artifacts and response time, because the panel is a somewhat slow VA panel.
Well tuned overdrive is so good when it's done right. I wonder if this one has backlight strobing. I have a newer samsung TN that strobes to control brightness but it also helps the motion blur a bunch
Holy crap, these were leaps and bounds better than the first TFT that I purchased around that time (some LG) I still use my 19" ViewSonic VX922! Still looking great (had to replace the controller board) but not the CFL, the only downside is it is just 1280x1024!
Holy nostalgia! I had the VX922 as well. It was a banger of an LCD back in the day.
I daily drove the VX724 for about 6 years. For about 3 years I paired it with a Dell UltraScan P991 CRT and then eventually got a second one to replace the CRT because I preferred the LCD. The power board failed in one of them and at that point I got an IPS display, and then immediately got a second IPS display because having IPS and TN side by side really reveals how bad TN is. I did notice the over drive when I first got the display since it's visible in text editors when the cursor flashes, didn't know what it was at the time but got used to it after a few months. Anyhow ignoring the complete power board failure, they aged fine. Just normal back light aging.
3:35 - it’s funny that that Sony CRT monitor is now highly sought after (as seen on Digital Foundry and elsewhere).
oh the legendary vx724, I had two of them and I loved them
Nice review 😊
I must guess that it still doesn't look nearly as good as a CRT on a dark room.
Do not fall for the CRT meme lol, cant wait to flip my 2070sbs to some retard who's willing to overpay.
Late 2000s pro grade LCDs will eternally be superior to any CRT.
I bought this monitor back in the day and I loved it. I had it for many years until it died. I tried replacing some capacitors but I was very inexperienced at the time and could not get it working so it went in the trash bin. I wish I still had it today so I could take another crack at it.
I have a VX922 (advertised with 1ms response) that has bad caps that i never shipped out for warranty, making me want to dig it out and fix it. It was my LAN party display for Counter Strike source tournaments. =)
yknow with the black and silver keyboard mouse speakers and gamepad thing, its honestly a better match imo.
Overdrive is an extremely common tech in gaming monitors. Without overdrive, LCD monitors have around 20-25ms response.
Of course good monitors try very hard to avoid overshoot. Not all manage.
my first LCD was 17 inch Phillips, but a friend had the 21 inch Samsung LCD which I swear looked like the biggest monitor ever at the time. If you wanted to run 21 inch CRT your desk had to be MASSIVE
I remember having a 19 inch Mag monitor with 8ms response time.
It had a dead pixel on bottom left corner of the screen. Which I noticed too late to replace.
And I do have a dell 17 inch workstation monitor someone threw out that works perfectly fine, for testing hardware...
15:25 This is actually very common, it's the same reason modern LCDs can market 1ms response time when realistically they can't do less than 4, maybe 3 without excessive ghosting. This one seems like a case where it's very well tuned so the ghosting isn't excessive, given you only noticed it in the slow mo footage.
I have a VX2025wm i bought brand new in 2005, still have it but the lcd panel is dying, edge become darker, lcd delaminating issue i suppose, before that, what a fantastic monitor! So be aware that used lcd monitor can be very tired...
It used to be that black-to-white transitions were the fastest, because of the high voltage swing. Grey-to-grey timings would be significantly worse. Once this was widely known, and benchmarks and advertisements regularly quoted grey-to-grey numbers, basically every display implemented the kind of overdriving for transitions that you observed here. Now it's just the normal way for displays to work.
In 2004 when my 5 year old Scott CRT (a cheap german brand that didn't last very long) started to get blurry when warming up I read some tests and mostly the 172x came out on top. In one test there was a Sony with slightly better results but it was 600€ to 400€ for tge Samsung, so i bought this and used it fo 8 years as a main display and 4 more as secondary. Sadly it started to show its age. When using it all alone it wasn't obvious but next to a way newer monitor you could see how yellow the plastics in the panel had become. But I loved it until the end.
In 2004, i bought an EIZO L550. Advertised response time is 16ms but it felt good to me, i played UT2004 and whatnot on it, S4League, whatever, felt EXCELLENT. It definitely felt faster than cheaper monitors with the nominally same spec for some reason no idea why? Might just be the consistency. The kickout stand leg failed and a replacement was rigged up, but otherwise it's still holding up, someone in the family is using it to this day. The fade is tolerable as well. I have no clue how the electronics and lighting in it is THIS resilient.
I should rig up some sort of latency measuring device and run it against all the other displays i have at hand, including an actual modern gaming monitor.
I have one of those and after a few years, it would suddenly shut itself off for no reason. Well, the reason turned out to be bad caps. I ended up having to replace all the electrolytic capacitors. It was worth it, but yeah, watch out for that.
I find it interesting that my modern ViewSonic monitor still has clearly the same design of stand, but subtly updated to match modern designs.
The 'over volting' the pixels is usually referred to as overdrive. I don't *think* it overvolts the pixels, I'm pretty sure it just briefly sends the opposite colour of what just left (so, when it goes from red to tan, it'll briefly turn cyan for a split second to get the pixel to change faster). Lots of modern LCDs have the option to do this in the menus somewhere. I personally don't care for it in most cases 'cause it can make ghosting look really strange. It really depends on the implementation though! Another good in game test in Minecraft is to put a torch on a stone wall and move back and forth. Watch the flame, on my Dell and Acer monitors I see ghostly blue flames trailing it with overdrive turned on.
I own an ACER v193 and it brags to have a 2000:1 contrast ratio. I've been using it for a long time and it's one of the best looking 5:4 monitors from 2005 I have used. It's worth a look for anyone interested in great picture quality with good contrast. It's good for gaming.
Apple cinema display from 2004. Forget color accuracy and response, moving from a 17 or 19 inch screen to a 30 inch was absolutely mind blowing.
My first LCD was an IPS panel I got in 2008.
Thanks!
Does anyone remember the Hercules Prophet View 720 that had a 20ms response time but it was beating monitors several years later. Even monitors with a 12ms response time were much slower. Never had one but I feel like it's been lost to time.
I bought a VX922 19" back in the day. I still have it in the box but, It only lasted a year before I had to send it back to get refurbished.... I think it was a power supply issue.
I still have a 17" monitor my parents bought for me in 2006 (back then i knew nothing about computers) and used it on the VGA port it's whole life when it was a main monitor.Only a few months i discovered it has 8ms and can do 75hz but only if i use it with the DVI port :/ better late than never i guess
I have bought a refurbished emachine lcd monitor from the 2000’s *( bought it in 2003 )* it still works great and the whites are still white
My dayjob has a used qx6800 extreme chip in a system. I don't need it but it would be awesome since those chips are collectable.
I still have the same exact antec case, but it's modded for the heat of a 4870 and q6600 lol
Nothing like 1080p gaming at 90hz on a CRT back in 2005.
Took LCD's a long ass time to catch up.
Nice video,
But what about Nova Computer ?
Any news?
Lol Lian Li Super Lan Boy case. I had one. Best airflow case back when. But we broke the dumb door off the top part because fuck doors.
Viewsonic is still one of the best high refresh rate gaming monitors I love them so much
I owned one of these when it first came out, then upgraded to the widescreen 1680 x 1050 version
13:30 you can clearly see the samsung smearing, especially with the trees going by. The viewsonic is clearly the better display. I use to sell these displays back in the day and they were not cheap but worth it!
Eurogamer says that the PS 3D Display has around a 33ms pixel response time. I can believe it.
A rudimentary input lag test would have been interesting. These old LCD's were starting to catch up in pixel response time, but had atrocious input lag. Problem is it took another decade for anyone to bother measuring it.
Re overshoot from overdrive, that's a common problem. Basically every monitor made in the past 20 years does it. Modern ones have adjustable aggressiveness.
I'm sorry but I kinda lost it when you started shooting the bodies to get more red on the screen. "Look, I am trying to demonstrate something here!" :'D
I still have my VX922, its a great little monitor but it has had to have its caps changed twice now. Something about it just keeps killing the caps.
I had the 19 inch version of this. It was good, but eventually it got dim after many years.
That overshoot is still how they achieve fast response times if I am not mistaken.
My monitor is a 22 inch viewsonic touchscreen 1080p monitor it’s been solid to me
Yea my gigabyte g32qc VA does the same with blacks in halo, ghosting !
they were so heavy, don't miss them
I still have this monitor for my retro pc.
What camera are you using? Looks great.
This is a Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera 4k. The real thing about it is that it shoots in log RAW which allows me a tremendous amount of flexibility when color grading the video. I wouldn't be surprised if I spent as much time on the color for this video as I did the actual editing.
Funny how i am able to watch this monitor comparison on my phone a few years later 😂
dont get me wrong i love using hardware from the correct era for the build you are doing but for my xp machine i ended up going for a Dell 2007FP from 2011. it has VGA , DVI x 1, S-Video, and Composite inputs a factory soundbar and is 4:3 TFT panel and with XP games and 98 games you just cant beat it picture quality wise the only let down is 16ms response.
what is that keyboad looking mouse you have on the left side of your keyboard
Amazing! Viewsonic it's de king 😎
I still have a HP 17" fat LCD. Looks better than some modern ones.
weird question, i'm younger haha. did you have to turn the computer off to plug in a monitor?
7:20 It should also be in the Nvidia Control Panel.