How Einstein saved magnet theory

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  • čas přidán 12. 09. 2023
  • Magnetism is one of the most bizarre of known classical physics phenomena, with many counter intuitive effects. Even weirder, when one uses Maxwell’s equations (the laws that describe electromagnetism) and traditional Galilean relativity, you can see that magnetism makes no sense at all. However, when one uses Einstein’s theory of relativity, it all makes perfect sense. In this video, Fermilab’s Dr. Don Lincoln helps sort it all out.
    Magnetism for parallel wires:
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    Magnetism for parallel wires:
    • Magnetic Field of a Wire
    Purcell simplified:
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    Purcell E M and Morin D J 2013 Electricity and Magnetism Harvard University Mass. Third edition pp 259-264.
    Length contraction video:
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    Fermilab physics 101:
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  • @willi-fg2dh
    @willi-fg2dh Před 7 měsíci +70

    there once was a fencer named Fisk
    whose action was exceedingly brisk
    so fast was his action
    the Lorentz contraction
    reduced his rapier to a disk.

    • @romanski5811
      @romanski5811 Před 7 měsíci +3

      If you pass by the Earth fast enough, then the Earth is flat.

    • @willi-fg2dh
      @willi-fg2dh Před 7 měsíci +2

      @@romanski5811 nah . . . that only happens if the Earth passes by you.

    • @aranos6269
      @aranos6269 Před 5 měsíci +2

      Both scenarios are same.

    • @badbrain3185
      @badbrain3185 Před 2 měsíci +1

      This can only be observed by one being perpendicular to the sword.

    • @Newtspeare
      @Newtspeare Před 2 měsíci +1

      There once was a man called Don
      Who was ever so easy to con
      He made a great hash
      Of physics' worst trash
      And all that he said was wrong.

  • @mikecannon6529
    @mikecannon6529 Před 7 měsíci +8

    I heard this in passing about 45 years ago. It stuck with me but I never managed to chase down the details. Thank you.

  • @jackieking1522
    @jackieking1522 Před 7 měsíci +15

    I did know this.... was taught it 55 years ago and remember the feeling of amazement that relativity at such gentle speeds could so precisely explain electromagnetism. Thanks for bringing it all back.... it will help me fade away with a smile.

  • @CarBENbased
    @CarBENbased Před 7 měsíci +13

    That was nuts... I was getting more confused but you set me up perfectly for it to click when you brought in the length contraction animation! I'd love to see a video on how this applies to permanent magnets and maybe even induced temporary magnetism.

  • @muraliavarma
    @muraliavarma Před 8 měsíci +105

    This is actually insane. So relativistic effects of magnetism happen at such low speeds too? I should probably read the math behind it but one observer's magnetism is another one's electricity? Truly mind blowing!

    • @brothermine2292
      @brothermine2292 Před 8 měsíci +7

      Depending on the observer's motion, it could be a sum of both magnetism and the electric force that explains the total force on the charged particle.

    • @TrixieWolf
      @TrixieWolf Před 8 měsíci +4

      This must be where ICP gets their name. :V

    • @douglasstrother6584
      @douglasstrother6584 Před 8 měsíci +22

      It's pretty wild that the generation of magnetic fields by currents is an everyday relativistic phenomena (tiny charge density imbalance), and ferromagnetism is an everyday quantum phenomenon (tiny atomic current loops).

    • @kreynolds1123
      @kreynolds1123 Před 8 měsíci +30

      The relativistic effects being so tiny and the strength of electromagnetic effects in lab frame or charged particle frame of reference is simply a testimony to the strength of electromagnetism and the very large number of particles involved in a length of wire. Gravity by contrast is orders of magnitude much weaker.

    • @fg786
      @fg786 Před 7 měsíci +5

      Electric forces are really strong compared to gravity, so it's not at all surprising that low speeds are already have tremendous effects.

  • @SiqueScarface
    @SiqueScarface Před 7 měsíci +69

    Albert Einstein invented Special Relativity to explain Magnetism in his 1905 paper "On the Electrodynamics of moving bodies", where his starting point was the apparent asymmetry of a moving wire and a stationary magnet vs. a stationary wire and a moving magnet.

    • @danieloberhofer9035
      @danieloberhofer9035 Před 7 měsíci +9

      And here I was, thinking it was really about trains, because of all the train examples and whatnot...

    • @SiqueScarface
      @SiqueScarface Před 7 měsíci

      @@danieloberhofer9035 Die Arbeit heißt im Original "Zur Elektrodynamik bewegter Körper" und erschien in den "Annalen der Physik" 1905. In dieser Arbeit leitet Albert Einstein die Gleichungen der Speziellen Relativitätstheorie her: "Man denke z. B. an die elektrodynamische Wechselwirkung zwischen einem Magneten und einem Leiter. Das beobachtbare Phanomen hängt hier nur ab von der Relativbewegung von Leiter und Magnet, während nach der üblichen Auffassung die beiden Fälle, daß der eine oder der andere dieser Körper der bewegte sei, streng voneinander zu trennen sind." (Womit auch klar ist, wo der Begriff Relativitätstheorie ursprünglich herkommt.)

    • @Ebani
      @Ebani Před 7 měsíci +21

      @@danieloberhofer9035 Actually Einstein didn't invent it, he just used the work of myriads other scientists before him. Which is why none of the special relativity concepts bear his name other than "Einstein's special relativity theory", which is but a summary of everything other scientist already found. His genius was making sense of all the things other geniuses found 💁‍♂

    • @estranhokonsta
      @estranhokonsta Před 7 měsíci +23

      ​@@Ebani Lol. The same can be said of every scientists. It isn't for no reason that Newton wrote "If I have seen further it is by standing on the shoulders of Giants". Note that even that metaphor is way older than Newton.

    • @sudazima
      @sudazima Před 7 měsíci +3

      @@estranhokonsta newton said the standing on giants thing in response to someone who was very small, implying he would not contribute at all.

  • @frederf3227
    @frederf3227 Před 7 měsíci +10

    I remember this explanation from school. I suppose given that E and M must function in all reference frames you could derive special (probably also general) relativity from the known results. The fact the E is M and M is E through relativistic transformations is so cool. Also it shows just how insanely charge dense normal matter is.

  • @philippk736
    @philippk736 Před 7 měsíci +6

    How does all of that work for freely moving charges in a vacuum without the presence of the opposite charge as in the wire?

  • @unduloid
    @unduloid Před 7 měsíci +5

    Remember: It's OK to be a little crazy!

  • @tensaisenshi
    @tensaisenshi Před 8 měsíci +10

    I've heard of this before, but your way of explaining it really clears things up. Now I can say that I know, rather than having heard of this effect. Thanks.

  • @regth8208
    @regth8208 Před 8 měsíci +55

    Always a pleasure to learn from these videos. Thank you to everyone involved with these presentations!

    • @tenbear5
      @tenbear5 Před 7 měsíci

      if you’re capable of thought, this is a terrible piece.

  • @bramfran4326
    @bramfran4326 Před 7 měsíci +5

    Thanks for sheding light on (mysterious) magnetism and for providing source with more info. I would absolutely love to see an explanation of why inductors and transformers work the way they do using only this phenomenon!

  • @himanshukhanna2589
    @himanshukhanna2589 Před 7 měsíci +3

    The concentration of charge due to length contraction causes electrical repulsion thus resulting in what is called the magnetic force. But how does that work for two point charged particles?

  • @Earwaxfire909
    @Earwaxfire909 Před 8 měsíci +13

    This is a good start. I would also note that the Coulomb force is so strong that even a small change in charge density produces a noticeable effect. Also the mass of proton charged nuclei is much greater than electrons and that makes them move slower giving rise to the greater special relativistic contraction of the flow of electrons in the frame of the outside charge observer. It would be fun to look at the difference between AC and DC currents.

    • @mrtienphysics666
      @mrtienphysics666 Před 8 měsíci +1

      what about the random root square speed? and also how about the fact that electrons are Bloch waves inside?

    • @Earwaxfire909
      @Earwaxfire909 Před 8 měsíci

      @@mrtienphysics666 It does get fun really quickly!

    • @misterlau5246
      @misterlau5246 Před 7 měsíci +1

      Well, let's modulate those with laser and we'll obtain some FOCK photon states

    • @theultimatereductionist7592
      @theultimatereductionist7592 Před 7 měsíci

      I wish he would quantify the cause and the effect, wish he'd show the math
      I'm sure it's not too hard.

  • @corradoghinamo9935
    @corradoghinamo9935 Před 7 měsíci +2

    Phenomenally clear explanation. Congratulations

  • @orthoplex64
    @orthoplex64 Před 7 měsíci +2

    Please make a follow-up for permanent magnets

  • @InssiAjaton
    @InssiAjaton Před 7 měsíci +3

    Regarding the note about the polarity naming of current flow, I recall an old (older than me) book describing an electrolytic solution. It could and indeed had been used as a rectifier. And because the "material" - positive ions flow was chemically more evident than any flow of the electrons, that became the positive direction. So, the polarity was established by wet chemistry instead of either solid state or gaseous state observations. Such a funny thought!

  • @jeffi49
    @jeffi49 Před 8 měsíci +3

    As always, I truly enjoyed your videos. Thank you, to make the effort to outreach the community.

  •  Před 7 měsíci +4

    I had to study the Berkley Physics Course books in the 70´s at the Groningen University so I got familiar then with the idea that magnetism comes from a special relativistic effect. As far as I can remember the explanation was set up differently in the book, but the idea is the same and at the time I was really excited by explanation.

  • @constpegasus
    @constpegasus Před 7 měsíci

    I need to watch this again. Thank you Mr Lincoln.

  • @skibaa1
    @skibaa1 Před 7 měsíci +3

    wow, this is amazing. Relativistic effects at 1mm/s, magnetism explained without those weird right hand rules, exactly what I missed in the high school. May be I would become some magnet engineer if I saw this video at my 16 :)

  • @AstroAri504
    @AstroAri504 Před 7 měsíci +4

    Hi Dr. Don! Can you do a video on the difference between magnetism and electromagnetism? I'm having trouble understand why like poles on a magnet repel, while like charges on an electromagnet attract.

    • @drdon5205
      @drdon5205 Před 7 měsíci +3

      It's more complicated than the video here, but it's the same thing. For like poles, the electric field is similar to like charges, while for opposite poles, the contraction is more like concentrating opposite charges.
      It's >>much

    • @stefanyankov3801
      @stefanyankov3801 Před 7 měsíci

      I also would like to see if relativistic effects can explain the permanent magnets. Permanent magnets attract or repel each other without presence of moving charges, right?

    • @drdon5205
      @drdon5205 Před 7 měsíci +3

      @@stefanyankov3801 No. Remember that electrons both move and spin within atoms.

  • @rahularyaphysicist
    @rahularyaphysicist Před 8 měsíci +2

    Oh my god I love Sir Don’s
    Explanations, he made me love physics

  • @misterschifano
    @misterschifano Před 7 měsíci +1

    Dr. Don Lincoln with the classic hits, taking us all the way back to 1905, baby! Albert Einstein featuring James... Clerk... Maxwell for this mix, you know it, get your right hand in the air for On the Electrodynamics of Moving Bodies! ⚡

  • @linuxificator
    @linuxificator Před 7 měsíci +5

    I've done the calculations long time ago, it works great, but if B is entirely a relativistic effect of moving E, how would one describe an EM wave? I've been searching for that, but I cannot find it.

    • @humicroav215
      @humicroav215 Před 7 měsíci

      Wouldn't an EM wave be the exact same phenomena just oscillating? Instead of charge moving uniformly in one direction, it changes direction. Acceleration is required to create electromagnetic waves and the change in direction is the acceleration. We describe the oscillation by its relationship to time as frequency and its relationship to the speed of light by wavelength.

    • @hanifarroisimukhlis5989
      @hanifarroisimukhlis5989 Před 7 měsíci

      You have to derive a 4-vector field. In that case, relativistic effects looks like a 4-rotation of the vectors.

  • @misterphmpg8106
    @misterphmpg8106 Před 7 měsíci +6

    Hi Don, I imagine these very tiny relativistic effects on the moving electrons do matter in the macroscopic world because there are trillions and trillions of them and they add up to a macroscopically measurable force. But what happens if only two of them pass each other along their way? They interact by exchanging a virtual photon, so how does quantum mechanics fit into this picture? Do those exchanged virtual photons between the wires also add up to make that electric force? Should be, but for me that makes it even wilder to imagine... thanks for your amazing video!
    And: if you look at many comments below it's amazing how easy it is to get dozens of nobel prize winners to pop up by just mentioning SRT. THAT is Einsteins most magical force it seems.

    • @warrenarnold
      @warrenarnold Před 7 měsíci +3

      Hey what about stationary permanent magnets, how can they be explained with the wire theory?

  • @vb6database
    @vb6database Před 7 měsíci +2

    I absolutely love your content!! Keep making it!

  • @bandotasif
    @bandotasif Před 7 měsíci

    I love these videos. Entertaining and informative. I so wish I had these when I was in school.

  • @jeremyelser8957
    @jeremyelser8957 Před 7 měsíci +6

    How does the shortening of the charges themselves equate to a shortening of the spaces between them? The space between them isn't moving and wouldn't contract, I'd think. Why doesn't the external charge just see bigger-than-normal gaps between smaller-than-normal charges?

    • @vincentbrown4926
      @vincentbrown4926 Před 7 měsíci

      My question as well.

    • @MRichK
      @MRichK Před 7 měsíci +1

      Quick hopefully useful rake: If two charges are moving past you at some speed relative to your rest frame then they are in a different frame - one moving at their speed relative to you. >Everything< in that reference frame looks shortened in that direction to you including the space between the particles. Think of them as ticks on a ruler. The ruler shrinks so the ticks look closer together to you. The fact that there is no material ruler there, doesn't mean there isn't the "frame ruler".

    • @herbertniesler320
      @herbertniesler320 Před 7 měsíci

      On top of that, the length contraction does not depend on the direction of current flow. The effect should be the same in either direction.
      Switching the charges you look at when you "change" current flow direction does not make physical sense.

  • @spoddie
    @spoddie Před 8 měsíci +3

    If Insane Clown Posse don't understand magnets, then I have no chance

  • @Czechbound
    @Czechbound Před 7 měsíci +2

    That was great. I remember asking the science teacher in high school why the textbook said it the charge moved in a direction that seemed to be completely the opposite of how he had explained that electricity worked. "It just is the way it is" was his response. I knew I was right !

  • @kumagoro
    @kumagoro Před 8 měsíci +1

    Fermilab videos .... are everything!

  • @kredwol2103
    @kredwol2103 Před 7 měsíci +6

    Jesse Pinkman saved magnet theory

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    @mehdibenseghir663 Před 8 měsíci +7

    You seriously rock! Physics is the most noble science there is.

  • @sapelesteve
    @sapelesteve Před 8 měsíci +1

    Yet another magnetic example of Dr. Don's mind blowing video's! 👍👍💥💥

  • @douglasstrother6584
    @douglasstrother6584 Před 8 měsíci +7

    It's pretty wild that the generation of magnetic fields by currents is an everyday relativistic phenomena, and ferromagnetism is an everyday quantum phenomenon.

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    • @aaronperelmuter8433
      @aaronperelmuter8433 Před 7 měsíci

      What’s not wild at all is that you put that exact same comment, word for word on more than one video. Doug, it got old before you even did it, time dilation in reverse!

  • @c00ckiez
    @c00ckiez Před 8 měsíci +8

    My puny mammal brain can barely handle these ideas. Great video!

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  • @jesseschwab1813
    @jesseschwab1813 Před 7 měsíci +1

    Thanks for this solid review of the basics. So the relative motion of the charges contracts them, effectively concentrating their potency. There is fertile soil here.

  • @skywatcherextraordinaire7014

    Wow yes this concept never fully made sense to me until now, well done great explanings!

  • @MathisGries-ml5qv
    @MathisGries-ml5qv Před 8 měsíci +8

    It might be an odd tangent, but I think people shouldn't have mocked "F###ing Magnets, how do they work?" Precisely because if this. People think they understand middle school level physics, but they don't realize that their understanding of physics is basically 100 years outdated.

    • @mountfairweather
      @mountfairweather Před 8 měsíci +2

      ???

    • @RyJones
      @RyJones Před 8 měsíci +2

      As a former ICP fan, I had to defend that constantly.

    • @RyJones
      @RyJones Před 8 měsíci

      @@mountfairweathersearch for insane clown posse and magnets

    • @xtieburn
      @xtieburn Před 8 měsíci

      Haha, the lyrics had nothing to do with the complexity of the subject and how many people get it wrong. It was about mystifying the topic and science denial. Just read the very next lines of the song.*
      They absolutely deserved every bit of the mockery they got.
      *Violent J rolled back the 'liars' claim made in those lyrics and said it was more about scientific explanations destroying the wonder of things, which personally I think is also daft and wrong, but then how would he know? Hes never actually listened to any of them...

    • @MathisGries-ml5qv
      @MathisGries-ml5qv Před 8 měsíci

      @@xtieburn I don't claim to have any insight into what these literal clowns were thinking, and I frankly don't care.
      What I do know is that the memes overwhelmingly focussed on that one specific part of the lyrics and did not include the lines that followed. I also know that tons of people felt prompted to provide explanations that overwhelmingly did not rise above middle school level physics.
      My point is simply that that even among people who have reached what would be considered a respectable level of education, the percentage of people who can properly explain how magnets work is vanishingly small.

  • @shaind
    @shaind Před 7 měsíci +2

    To me, the real mystery about magnetism is ferromagnetism, because it seemingly doesn't involve moving charges.

    • @anuarbin
      @anuarbin Před 7 měsíci

      Electron around nucleus is not static.

  • @hanks.9833
    @hanks.9833 Před 7 měsíci +1

    My take is that the electromagnetic field generates forces on charges that appear as the classical electric (coulomb) or classical magnetic force depending on the frame of reference, and the difference shows when motion of charges exist. The confusion arises when we mix special relativity with the classical concepts.

    • @narfwhals7843
      @narfwhals7843 Před 7 měsíci +1

      The confusion doesn't only arise when we mix SR with pre SR electromagnetism. The confusion arises from the lack of reference frame in Maxwell's Equations. The confusion is what _leads_ to Special Relativity.
      Read Einstein's original paper "on the electrodynamics of moving bodies". It is not too difficult.

  • @PhotoshopArt
    @PhotoshopArt Před 7 měsíci

    This is the best channel for science.

  • @SpeakerWiggin49
    @SpeakerWiggin49 Před 7 měsíci +1

    Wow, the Lorentz contraction of the "moving" opposite electric charge is a super weird way to get an electric charge effect. It's almost like the opposite of camera perspective distortion, but also not, cause it's about change in position over time, so it's 4D perspective, and cameras produce 2D images...

  • @FrancoisBothaZA
    @FrancoisBothaZA Před 7 měsíci +1

    Others also asked this, but how does this extrapolate (if at all) to how electromagnetic waves work. I know the 2 components are orthogonal, but does relativity explain it too?

  • @dtmelanson
    @dtmelanson Před 7 měsíci

    Always great content. Thank you.

  • @ytfeh
    @ytfeh Před 7 měsíci

    Well done and clear video on this matter. I learned something new.

  • @kennethreese2193
    @kennethreese2193 Před 7 měsíci

    If this happens to be a rebuttal of sorts against a snarky and some what rude attack on your channel that just happened to be based on misunderstanding this exact phenomenon, then you sir, are truly a mastor teacher. While it takes alot of smarts to be able to teach this as well as you do it takes profound wisdom to respond like this.

  • @keithwald5349
    @keithwald5349 Před 7 měsíci +1

    Well, Einstein's original paper on special relativity was called "On the Electrodynamics of Moving Bodies." He starts right away by pointing out the bothersome asymmetry in the usual description of induced emf in a stationary loop with a moving magnet inserted, versus the magnetic force on the charges in a moving loop surrounding a stationary magnet. He then discusses the lack of reference frame inherent in Maxwell's equations, with which Newton's laws don't jibe. The paper is remarkably easy to read for anyone with limited mathematical background. In special relativity, the math is surprisingly simple, although the ideas are not so easy. (This is in contrast to most other topics in physics, like generaly relativity or quantum field theory, where the math is definitely _not_ simple - nor are the ideas.)

    • @leonhardtkristensen4093
      @leonhardtkristensen4093 Před 7 měsíci

      A good reason for that is as I have understod it Albert Einstein wasn't all that good at mathematics. He had a very good mind to find new ideas. This is why I can't understand that todays Physicians demand that an idea is calculated through before they even want to consider it.

  • @larrytanner4725
    @larrytanner4725 Před 7 měsíci

    I am amazed. By the Lorentz contraction equation, the relative lengths would be or the order of 1 part in 1,000,000 or less. It is amazing that such a difference could result in a significant magnetic force between the wires. Amazed.

  • @markhuebner7580
    @markhuebner7580 Před 7 měsíci

    Great finish! A little confusing to have that teaser in the middle though!

  • @flatisland
    @flatisland Před 7 měsíci +2

    8:56 is the relativistic effect really due to the moving electrons or due to the difference of the electric potential which propagates at nearly c?

  • @TheyCallMeNewb
    @TheyCallMeNewb Před 7 měsíci

    Awesome stuff squeezed between nonpareil opening and closing cards!

  • @helder4u
    @helder4u Před 7 měsíci

    WOW the world needs more teachers like this

  • @fabiocaetanofigueiredo1353
    @fabiocaetanofigueiredo1353 Před 7 měsíci

    What a fantastic explanation! Thanks

  • @alsmith20000
    @alsmith20000 Před 7 měsíci

    I've heard this explanation before. Thanks for the links to other sources (I haven't checked these out yet) but two significant unanswered questions stick out for me: 1. special relativity has extremely non-linear properties but we learn even in high school physics that magnetic field strength is directly proportional to current; how can a highly non-linear phenomenon give rise to a linear one?. 2. How does this relate to magnetic materials with aligned electron spins?

  • @LynxUrbain
    @LynxUrbain Před 7 měsíci

    So cool ! A new video from Don @ Fermilab and "PBS Space Time", on the same day !

  • @ibic
    @ibic Před 7 měsíci

    I'm TOTALLY blown, never thought a "very simple" concept to a middle schooler actually goes SO deep into the rabbit hole. Thank you, Dr. Lincoln.

  • @ivarwind
    @ivarwind Před 7 měsíci

    I knew this already, but it's always good to see it explained again. It illustrates several important concepts in physics.
    First the full meaning of relativity in physical laws - two observers should agree on the general laws, but they may not, indeed often will not agree on the exact explanation for a specific observation, not even on which forces are involved.
    Second, it illustrates length contraction as a phenomenon that has observable effects in everyday life!
    And third, the electromagnetic force is mindbogglingly strong - even the vanishingly small length contraction of the electron spacings in a wire suffices to generate a charge imbalance large enough to lift objects against the gravitational pull of the Earth.

    • @leonhardtkristensen4093
      @leonhardtkristensen4093 Před 7 měsíci

      You forget that according to Einstein there is no gravitadional pull of the earth. It is space time that is bend.
      Personally I am yet to be convinced that the Physicians current explanation is correct. In my oppinion it is only one way of looking at it.

  • @BGTsoundandvision
    @BGTsoundandvision Před 7 měsíci +2

    When I was I kid I wanted to better understand how the electric guitar worked. That led me to electromagnetism and an interest in physics. Thanks for the video. All this brings us to Jimi Hendrix and then our minds really get blown.

  • @SlowToe
    @SlowToe Před 7 měsíci +2

    Thanks Don. Mission accomplished 🤯

  • @apostolakisl
    @apostolakisl Před 7 měsíci +2

    If the charges are moving faster and contract (become closer together), but the wire they are in is not moving (or at least is not moving differently for the positive and negatives contained within) and thus is not contracted (or at least contracted the same for both pos and neg charges), would that not mean that you need more of one charge or the other in the wire? Where did the extra charge come from?

    • @godfreypigott
      @godfreypigott Před 7 měsíci +1

      For current to flow the wire needs to form a loop. On the return leg the spacing of the opposite charge is contracted.

  • @belatar
    @belatar Před 7 měsíci +2

    "for magnetism, both charges need to be moving": if you bring in relativity then as soon as one charge is moving there will always be an observer to whom both are moving. how does that add up?

    • @Jar.in.a.Bottle
      @Jar.in.a.Bottle Před 7 měsíci

      It is my understanding that if you extend the same logic to two differently moving observers, they will not agree on the measurable electric/magnetic ratios of the same objects measured. But they can agree on the same universal outcomes of those differing measurements to a very high degree of accuracy by using Einstein's equations.

  • @douglasstrother6584
    @douglasstrother6584 Před 7 měsíci

    I first came across a similiar derivation in "Electromagnetic Fields and Waves" by Paul Lorrain & Dale R. Corson where they do a Lorentz Transformation on Coulomb's Law.

  • @FunkyDexter
    @FunkyDexter Před 7 měsíci +2

    Yeah, well... there are more caveats than that.
    For one, E^2-B^2 is a lorentz invariant. This means that a pure magnetic field (like in the case of that generated by the current in the wire) simply CANNOT become a pure electrostatic field (the invariant is negative), no matter what reference frame you swap to. So no, magnetism is not "just" electricity seen from the "wrong" reference frame.
    Another caveat is, electrons and protons are NOT billiard balls with charge. They are quantum objects. The wavefunction of electrons in metals (and thus in the wire) is effectively spread over the whole surface. Also it doesn't explain how permanent magnets work, since that involves spin (which is a source of INTRINSIC magnetic moment).
    Finally, this explanation makes it sound like magnetism is less fundamental than electricity, while the reality is that they are on equal footing. Two sides of the same coin, the EM field. I feel like these kind of explanations do more harm than good, I'd stick with maxwell.

    • @BrooksMoses
      @BrooksMoses Před 7 měsíci

      The explanation doesn't say the magnetic field became an electrostatic field; it says that the magnetic force becomes an electrostatic force. The force is the _gradient_ of the field -- the magnetic field doesn't disappear, only its gradient does.

    • @FunkyDexter
      @FunkyDexter Před 7 měsíci

      @@BrooksMoses force is the gradient of potential, not field... Force is directly proportional to field strength...

    • @BrooksMoses
      @BrooksMoses Před 7 měsíci

      ​@@FunkyDexter: Doh! Of course, you're right. I was thinking that the field was the potential field, not the force field.

  • @rreiter
    @rreiter Před 7 měsíci +1

    Wow I guess this also explains why high voltage transmission lines want to snap together if in proximity to one another and so are kept widely separated on towers.

    • @jeepien
      @jeepien Před 7 měsíci

      Well, except most of them are alternating current, which raises the complexity by quite a bit.

    • @jim9689
      @jim9689 Před 7 měsíci

      I think those lines are 3-phase, and I also think they are far apart because they are at huge voltages, not because they want to attract each other.

  • @thekaxmax
    @thekaxmax Před 7 měsíci

    Veritasium and Minutephysics covered this in a connected pair of vids. Good to find about the Einstein link.

  • @KatjaTgirl
    @KatjaTgirl Před 7 měsíci

    Thank you for this clear and amazing explanation. Electrons themselves are also tiny magnets. Does this mean that the spin of an electron represents actual movement inside of the electron to create this magnetic field?

    • @narfwhals7843
      @narfwhals7843 Před 7 měsíci +1

      No it does not represent real motion. But it means you can _think_ about it as if it did, as long as you're careful.
      But it does represent real angular momentum. And the magnetic field is related to momentum in space.

  • @simonwatson2399
    @simonwatson2399 Před 7 měsíci +1

    Do this mean that there is no detectable difference between a magnetic field and an electric field?
    If there were a difference in any way, then you could build a detector to tell you the electric field strength and magnetic field strength at a given point, but that answer would only be valid in the reference frame of the detector.

  • @mcpr5971
    @mcpr5971 Před 7 měsíci +1

    Great video. A good companion to this is describing gravity in terms of time dilation. I don't remember the exact explanation but The Science Asylum did a great video on it. Something about time running slower on one end of a solid object means it feels a force in that direction, aka gravity.

    • @misterlau5246
      @misterlau5246 Před 7 měsíci +2

      I watched a S. A. Video where Nick Lucid explained the same as this video, but I think he put a squirrel there to be the observer for the different reference frames you have there.

  • @lugyd1xdone195
    @lugyd1xdone195 Před 5 měsíci

    Thank you, I've been puzzled by this exact thing!

  • @soumyodeepdey
    @soumyodeepdey Před 7 měsíci +1

    Nice explanation. How we can explain in terms of relativity the magnetic interaction between two single charge with finite velocity?

    • @tmajoros
      @tmajoros Před 7 měsíci

      Nice but false

    • @tmajoros
      @tmajoros Před 7 měsíci

      Exactly. try to lorentz contract a point charge…

    • @narfwhals7843
      @narfwhals7843 Před 7 měsíci +1

      Time dilation. When you see two parallel charges move you calculate the force between them with their charges. You observe that they don't accelerate that strongly and call that a opposing magnetic force.
      When you consider Relativity you find that the amount by which they accelerate too slowly is exactly the slowing of time you observe due to their motion.
      The critical speed where these effects cancel is the speed of light, which they can not reach.

  • @hanifarroisimukhlis5989
    @hanifarroisimukhlis5989 Před 8 měsíci +2

    Funny thing is, if you learn geometric algebra, it's just a 4D rotation.

  • @jeremyocassan
    @jeremyocassan Před 7 měsíci +1

    Help. I'm hung up on the relative movement of the + test charge to the + and -- charges in the wire. If the test charge isn't moving relative to the wire in which is flowing a + current it isn't moving only relative to the fixed -- charges of the wire, giving no length contraction. It would see length contraction in the moving + charges in the wire, thus net repulsion? I can only get the test charge (in my head) to feel no attractive/repulsive force if it travels at half the speed of the wire current, where it sees both the stationary -- and current + charges equally length contracted going equally as fast in opposite directions relative to the test charge. What am I not getting straight?

  • @NFGF61
    @NFGF61 Před 7 měsíci

    I am pretty sure Purcell was my textbook in my Physics understanding course in 1981! And this was in Brazil!

  • @richard84738
    @richard84738 Před 7 měsíci

    That is amazing to consider that the super advanced modern concepts of Einstein and Special Relativity can shed light on something we basically cracked a couple hundred years ago in magnets. So fun to see there are constantly new details of the world to probe, even the parts we thought were "finished". The work of science is never done, and as this video shows, is not just a case of "ever more precision" like some detractors say.

  • @katg-gk5ox
    @katg-gk5ox Před 7 měsíci

    Nice!! I used to love the Berkeley series!

  • @dominion38
    @dominion38 Před 7 měsíci +1

    The presentation of the material appeared to lack the rigorous mathematical foundation typically expected from your presentations. The explanation was notably reductive, bypassing complexities that merit more comprehensive analysis. I had expected a more substantive education rather than the employment of heuristic/hand-wavy arguments. Accordingly, as @Earwaxfire909 pointed out, "This is a good start."

  • @stevewebber707
    @stevewebber707 Před 7 měsíci +2

    Fascinating topic, that I am sad I hadn't heard about sooner.
    It does bring a question to mind though.
    Wouldn't this make the existence of a magnetic monopole even more unlikely?
    Also since the magnetism is defined by spatial contraction, what would that mean to magnetism on the scale of a single set of charges, such as a single proton and electron?

  • @shawnchong5196
    @shawnchong5196 Před 7 měsíci

    Best videos from Dr. Lincoln, period.

  • @jako_ronin
    @jako_ronin Před 7 měsíci

    But does that effect of length contraction reduce the fundamental charge that each particle carries? Or do the wire "fit more charges" because their length is now shorter?

  • @dinnoel3147
    @dinnoel3147 Před 7 měsíci

    Classical/Newtonian physics appears to also explain magnetism. It goes like this:
    Particles are being bombarded by bosons (or by some other forms of energy) at the same rate from all sides equally. At the same time, they shoot out bosons to all other the place also at some steady rate. Since no other changes, space around is “flat”, I.e. boson pressure if equal in all points of space, thus Newton’s 3rd law “keeps” everything at rest.
    Then electricity begin to flow. Electrons start slow march from - to +. Despite the very slow pace, moving electrons generate disturbance in boson field. Sort of like a passing vehicle create air wave. Particles now experience unequal boson pressure (which we call magnetism) that forces stuff to move.
    Since particles physically move now, they create even more distortion but grabbing bosons that otherwise would hit other particles, and at the same time bombard others with own bosons at different rate. That new disturbance in turn creates additional difference in electric potentials and thus secondary electric field. And this goes on and on until all particles finally find themselves in a condition of equal forces from all other the place at exactly the same time.
    That would also explain electromagnetic wave: like a pendulum, particles try to compensate, overshoot (because bosons have limited speed and arrive with delay), move to opposite direction, start compensating again, overshoot again, and on and on.
    Also, would explain why no magnetic monopole was ever found. Or rather every single particle is such a “monopole” and they all equally compensate each other and stay in state of rest until something introduces initial disturbance.

  • @stynkus
    @stynkus Před 8 měsíci +2

    I see Dr. Don; I click!

  • @PrivateSi
    @PrivateSi Před 7 měsíci +1

    Yes, I've read and seen vids on this relativistic explanation but they always only explain it using two parallel wires. I don't understand exactly how orbiting electrons in atoms / molecules form a permanent magnetic field. Sure, atomic poles / spin aligns but there appears to be a circulatory force. Permanent magnet materials are work even when not charged is my main concern.

    • @MichelleHell
      @MichelleHell Před 7 měsíci

      Electrons are a bundle of dynamic charge, so they have a magnetic dipole. This is why they couple into pairs and form covalent bonds. It's almost easier to think of an electron as a magnet, and solididified magnets work because they align unpaired electron dipoles across the entirety of the solid. Electrons are never sitting still, even with no current. What the voltage does is make the electrons jump from atom to atom, which is like perpetually creating a band of unpaired electrons. The current is like a highway of unpaired dipoles, so it mimics the effect of solid magnets with atoms who can support unpaired electrons.
      Remember, two electrons can be attracted to form bonds. This is two negative charges overcoming their repulsive forces, and it happens in every atom above Hydrogen and in all covalent bonds. So the real question is, how does the dynamism of electrons lead to their attraction in spite of their like-charge? Or, why does the Pauli Exclusion Principle exist?

    • @PrivateSi
      @PrivateSi Před 7 měsíci

      @@MichelleHell .. Yes, but a) electrons have a dipole, what is this and where does it come from? Spin... But you are talking about electro-magnets and charge flow. Where is this is in a neutral permanent magnet?

    • @MichelleHell
      @MichelleHell Před 7 měsíci

      @@PrivateSi Creating one magnet involves using another magnet, forcing the unpaired electrons to spin in the same direction while it's molten, which later solidifies into a uniform arrangement. Quantum field theory might be what you're looking for. Protons can also be aligned with a magnet, so there's basically a lot of spinning charges and they arrange themselves to balance according to their relativistic experience to each other.

    • @PrivateSi
      @PrivateSi Před 7 měsíci

      @@MichelleHell .. QFT is exactly the kind of fudge I'm sick of. Invent a different particle field for each particle type. It will work in a useful way but it will obscure what's really going on just as much. Yes, magnetic materials align 'spin direction' in a magnetic field, some permanently, some temporarily in the case of ferrous materials. So what is aligned? You've got to explain the left and right hand rules too. What is this EM field and what aligns in a vacuum to form a magnetic circuit? These are ore the questions I'm interested in.
      --
      I prefer to have SOMETHING flowing towards the centre of each particle and all the positrons and electrons that they're composed of (the only proper permanent elementary massive particles that the universe would not waste 1/2 of).. Inflows collide at the centre of each and bounce out at 90' in one plane, spiralling out in another in all directions (spin 0) or with some bias... When charge particles move there's spin bias with spin at 90' to the direction of movement. This spin interacts with magnetic fields in the form of the LH and RH rules.
      --
      These in and out flows also form toroidal loops within loops, squashed into a spherical magnetic dipole. When spins align many of these loops flow to the next spin-aligned particle instead, and as their energy is conserved circuits are amplified outside the object, into the 'vacuum of space' (that's a load of old balls - kick a +ve base quanta ball free with 'Full Escape Energy' and you have a POSITRON, with the excess -ve electro-gas forming an ELECTRON... They are immediately repelled into field warp(ing) balls by the far more balanced, close-packed electro-positronic field around.. These turn into (pulsating, 'spinning') -ve electro-gas pumps as they try to find their balance but never can as the relatively balanced surrounding field will not let them.

  • @twrandy
    @twrandy Před 5 měsíci

    I first learnt this theory in Veritasium's channel, feel quite skeptical about it, so I did a rough calculation:
    Assuming 1A current flow through φ8mm wire --> electron drift speed ~10^-5m/s order--> Length contraction about 1/10^13 order, for 1m wire moving electrons are packed in (1 - 10^-13)m less
    Electron density in conducting metal 10^28/m^3 order --> In φ8mm wire there are 5x10^23 free electrons / m
    Which means positive charges in 10^-12m contribute to the "magnetic field"
    In 10^-12m distance, positive charge number equal to electron number if there is no current, so there is 5x10^10 difference between positive and negative charges in 1m wire
    That's 1.6x10^-19 x 5x10^10 = 9 x 10^-9 C electric field built because of the 1A current flow, if we can really apply specific relativity into this equation
    Could someone please try to verify if 9x10^09C electric field does equal to the magnetic field of a φ8mm wire with 1A current?

  • @filonin2
    @filonin2 Před 7 měsíci

    "Fuckin' magnets, how do they work?"- Albert Einstein

  • @danielhooke6115
    @danielhooke6115 Před 7 měsíci

    Thanks for explaining that. 🙂

  • @joseluisblanco8074
    @joseluisblanco8074 Před 7 měsíci

    Why do positive/negative charges in the wire move at different speeds when seen from the charge reference frame?

  • @skibaa1
    @skibaa1 Před 7 měsíci

    Another remark: it would be more close to reality to talk about electrons moving in the wire and protons standing still, and a lonely electron flying along the wire. That would just flip all signs in the animation, but ofc all the rest would be the same

  • @Zeusz310
    @Zeusz310 Před 8 měsíci +1

    what about 2 single (point like) charges moving relative each other? Does that create a magnetic field?

  • @hanznel8488
    @hanznel8488 Před 7 měsíci

    Succinct and very informative. Great video.

  • @silentminecraftgamer1601
    @silentminecraftgamer1601 Před 7 měsíci

    This is cool, thanks for sharing!

  • @Doping1234
    @Doping1234 Před 7 měsíci

    I remember the physics prof going through the argument dispassionately in the lecture while my mind was thoroughly blown. Perhaps he wanted us to forget it so we would be awed by the slow-speed relativistic effect in his field of study (Mössbauer)

  • @bigsarge2085
    @bigsarge2085 Před 8 měsíci +1

    Fascinating!

  • @iand6541
    @iand6541 Před 7 měsíci

    Thanks for the video!

  • @tresajessygeorge210
    @tresajessygeorge210 Před 16 dny

    THANK YOU...
    PROF. DR. LINCOLN...!!!

  • @PropellerSteve
    @PropellerSteve Před 7 měsíci

    Thanks for sharing.

  • @gurumakaza4670
    @gurumakaza4670 Před 7 měsíci +1

    Biggest gigachad of the 20th century, Einstein.

  • @stevenglowacki8576
    @stevenglowacki8576 Před 7 měsíci

    When I first learned about Magnetism and was told it was a related phenomenon to electricity, I concluded that "magnetic forces" were fake forces, and that what we call magnetism must just be a side effect of moving charges, but I never could figure out how it actually worked. I even learned the basics of relativity from other sources, and they didn't specifically mention the connection with electromagnetism, most likely because they focused on measurable length contraction and not the ridiculously tiny amount that's the source of magentism. It wasn't until much, much later, when I was graduated from college and just learning for fun that I came across the connection as this video describe. It still seems mysterious to me, so I try to keep refreshed on how exactly it works.

  • @Brindlebrother
    @Brindlebrother Před 2 měsíci +1

    3:56 The physicist: "Everything I just told you is right"
    Me who's not a physicist: "Welp, that's good enough for me"