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7024 welding rods are intended for flat and horizontal welds only.
the 2 in 7024 indicates they are not for all positions.
But for flat or horizontal welds, 7024 welding rods lay down some smooth welds if you have a welding machine capable of putting out enough amps.
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Funny story about the trailer beams. I worked for John Deere building air seeders. I welded the mainframe rockshaft for the 1830 Calgary hoe drill. I built the first one and about the next 1000. We were having trouble with the front beam pulling to the rear because of all the heat of the 14 mm welds holding the gusset tube in. We tried different welding procedures, weld orders and special clamps all to no avail. At one point I was flipping the fixture 12 times trying to keep the main beam from arcing. Then one of the engineers came up with the idea of laying four heavy welds down the front of the rockshaft adjacent to the weld that caused the problem. It worked. It looks goofy because there are four welds right out in the middle of nowhere that appear to do nothing. They look like hard surfacing but all they do is pull the MFRS back into position. We didn't use stick though. We used Miller Access 450 pulse welders. .052 70 series wire like it's coming out of a firehose and they scream like a wounded rabbit.
Love the channel and I appreciate the effort that you put into teaching everybody your tips and tricks. I just became certified for stick running E7018 on the ATF test, 1 in plate in 3G and 4 G.
Before my test I studied your videos and I believe they helped me a lot. Thank you
7024 jet weld is the prettiest weld ever if done right. It is designed for AC but can run on DC.
1/8" rod should be about 120 to 125 amps. It has about a one to one feed ratio, which means you can just lay your rod against the fillet angle with a slight pressure and it will feed itself! The welder makes a difference though as it really likes Lincoln welders. The millers will leave a hogs back in the center of the fillet, where the AC Lincoln welders will be a smooth fillet.
I used to go through a 50 lb box of 5/32 or 3/16 in a 10 hour shift every day for years. That was when it was the production rod of the day, before the advent of duel shield. That should tell you something of my age. I started professional welding at 21 am now 67.
Don't know if I was the first to do this but back in 1977 I was working for National Supply in Odessa Texas welding and manufacturing oilfield equipment. We would get in I-beam with a curve it it and they wanted it straight so we would rose bud a vee shape in the web to shrink the web and straighten the beam. I talked the boss into turning the curve over and building the tank on the beam and using the curve to help strengthen the center to keep it from bowing from the weight. In other words put the bow going up and the weight of the tank would cause the beam skid to be straight when we finished. Worked so well that we started doing it for trailers and everything we built and it became our norm. We would do the 7024 down the web like you describe here if we had a straight beam. Don't know if anyone else had done it before, but I thought of it and I claim to be the inventor of the bowed up trailers running up and down the road to this day!!! lol...
I cant wait till I get a job im a welding student now but as soon as I get some cash flow I will be buying your dvd I have learned lot's from your videos somethings that my instructor has not even considered so thank you and keep them coming!
I believe this rod is meant to dragged with full contact along the joint. Travel angle should be about 45 deg when you start and then can be decreased a little after you get going. I think holding an arc length as you're showing causes the beads to be concave and you get too much spatter. Current setting depends greatly on the power source you're using. I've used 1/8 on some machines at 125 amps and some that require higher settings like you were using. You'll know when you have it right, as the slag should just peel off by itself. Also worth mentioning is that because of the high amount of iron powder this rod has a high deposit rate, and because it is a drag rod it's classified as "light penetrating". You can use this size rod to create small beads on thin material or large beads on thicker material all by adjusting the current and travel speed.
I am truly glad that I am not the only welder who likes AC better for jet rod,
in my circles we refer to 7024 as "JET" rod. Because its not low hydrogen, we don't use it much, but it does give pretty welds and is especially useful for plug and slot welds. We sometimes use it for plug welding decking
+Michael Kosinski ...Lincoln used to print 'jet-rod' right on the cardboard boxes of7024...
I knew a guy who loved burning JET rods. He was making industrial fixtures though. I've never used them with my everlast myself. It might be fun to give some a try but I'm not sure what I'd do with a complete box.
Welded 3/4 plate steel weldments with 7024 for most of the 80s and I learned how to make it form around corners and pockets keeping it continuous. I ran at about 200 ( that plate was pretty heavy ). You need either a fan or dead still air so the smoke just rises like a house fire. Lots of it
We call them "Old Smokeys" here in Northern Ireland.
Great video Jody, as usual!! I learn so much stuff from your videos!
Your tremendous experience is a good inspiration to my future.... you're like the greatest welder I've ever seen on these videos....
This guy is the one who taught me pretty much how to weld. Awesome videos keep up the good work man
Thank you sir, for discussing safety and a fan to help blow away Welding smoke from the area where you’re breathing.
I work for Eagle Fabrication Barge manufacturing facility. We used 7024 rods (drag rods we called them) for tac welding angles to bulk heads as well as deck seams. We use 7024 rods in 5/32 and 3/16. And we used 1/8 a time or 2 and man on a high amp (were they need to run) those things will throw down some head and material.
I'm in welding school and I watch almost all ur videos
+Gerardo Ibarra im also taking welding classes where i'm goin to school and i love watchin this guys videos. :)
Awesome vid once again! Thank you for taking the time to make these.
ran 7024 in structural shop and weldment shop back in the 70's. 7/32 jet rod, lay it in the crack and when your hand got to hot it was time to wake up and change rod.😎
Got your weldmonger package in the mail last week, awesome deal Best money I spent in a long time, the tig finger is mint!!
Thanks again for your time spent making these educational videos, I always knew that BABY WELDERS where producing weak welds, since I never took the time to produce this kind of testing, so glad you did.
Hope not too many rigs, trailers or whatever else are in operation using these kind of welds.
It's not because a bead look's good that it is melted deep into the base metal.
I don't remember seeing any videos on testing welds on your channel, or if you ever think of doing it. Just a suggestion...
Impressive, love your channel...!
Very educational and very interesting. There certainly is a lot to learn. Thanks for your efforts.
when in doubt, run hot 7018 for every weld you make. it burns through bad prep and looks pretty decent.
My favorite rod! Hot and fast! It just genuinely gives you a better looking bead in my experience.
Great video Jody...If you like E7018 [don't we all?] more than E7024, try some E-7028, it has the features of both electrode types!
That rod has my interest as well, but few people use it and few offerings exist for it, usually only in 50lb cans. I keep hoping Blue Demon will offer it at some point.
You learn something new every day! I'm gonna have to try and get a hold of some of these 7028s
you have a lot of the best welding videos on you tube if you put some unseen footage on those dvds i bet you would sell a ton of them i would buy one im in high school welding now if my teacher tryed to put me 7024 over head i would ask for a demonstration first lol.
The fan! Why I never thought about that!
Im.loving 7024, its alot of fun and pretty forgiving.
love the videos man. its great information and always helps me out when im in pinch
I’ve learnt in my 2 weeks in welding class that 7024 works a bit better on DC- not + but that’s just my experience. Welding on and old Lincoln Electric machine from the 70s
Hi Jody, Love your blog, I started out as a professional welder now I am a CNC machinist & production foreman at my job.We run into arcblow all the time welding dual shield, all of our material is T1 3/8 - 3/4 .Could you possibly do a segment on arcblow & how to prevent it? Thank You. keep up the good work
when we build our semi trailers, I know for sure. we hoist up the middle and with weights at either end causing it to curve then start welding, that's what I have seen for flatbed style trailers
7024 is kinda fun its like a curve ball if u havent tried it they call it jet i think cause the puddle swirls the more heat helps first time i tried it it pissed me off till my supervior told me to turn up my heat a must try
try actually dragging the rod instead of "working it" It really likes a close arc. I have run it using a method where I actually put pressure on the rod and it takes less amps and is more like caulking than welding. Your arm does get a little tired, but talk about control, and penetration and a beautiful weld.
Yeah! I think people used to say "drag rod" for this kind of thing, thick iron-powder coating. I asked about this at a local welding supply, they had a box that had been sitting on the shelf for decades, really looked like an antique. It was kind of funny, and inexpensive! It wasn't in the computer inventory system. Anyway, tried it just as you say, and it was easy and fun! You get a giant nice looking bead, the bead is bigger than you think it's going to be, it's like a magic trick. This was in an engineering lab, I let the students try this for their first electric welding experience if they were interested. It's good for beginners! It's a cheap thrill, nothing to break, and if you can't quite see what you're doing, you can feel the joint.
A drag rod to the core.
You NEED to drag this rod in order for the slag to be on top and your weld underneath.
There will be a ton of slag. When welding longer welds of more than one rod I used to try to mold the two runs of slag together to see how long a piece I could make and peel off.
Now I know why mobile home manufacturer's put a weld bead on the bottom of their I beam frames.
Olá meu amigo, seus vídeos são ótimos, tô aprendendo bastante, mais você precisa fazer uma legenda em português, sou do Brasil, abraços.
Its called jet rod because of how fast you can lay down weld with it, I have watched guys run two stingers at a time laying down wear decking in pulp and saw mills on the coast where I live and weld.
I always assumed that Jet was short for Jetweld, which is a Lincoln Electric trademark for their E-7024 and E-6027.
Love the videos!
We use them in the shop for the exact purpose you described for I beam
I love the weird story at the start. I'll keep that in mind.
another great video Jody. can you show some stainless and aluminum stick welding and what would some applications for those types of rods would be used on? thanks in advance
We received a pack of UTP aluminium rods. Either by accident or as a gift. We had just purchased a few 250kg drums of 1.2mm or 0.45 inconel 625 from voestalpine.
Let's just say I did not have much success whilst messing about with those rods. From memory, 15 years ago, the pack stated around 60amps DCEN for 2.4mm rods with white fluc coating similar to silver solder rods.
Interesting. Scary how little penetration that MIG had, even though the edges of the weld looked like it was hooked in. I try not to use my 110V MIG for anything over about 12ga. Regarding the fan, I may not know what I'm doing, but I feel like when I'm welding outside in a decent breeze (anything over about 10MPH), even 7018 loses its shielding and doesn't behave. I did find that my ground cable was disintegrating internally (20 years!), so it's been behaving better since I replaced that. Probably need to replace the electrode line, too, but it seemed in better shape for some reason (but you never know what's lurking under the insulation).
Fluxcore penetrates a lot better, that's why I only run it in my 140 mig.
I use 5/32 at 175 to 190 ac. Now problems welding 1/4 thick cylinders on a positioner. Fast, hot and, smokey.
Thanks for great videos. Seen videos about welding on excavators. They are always welding with Mig. Isn't stickwelding stronger?
he sounds hammered at 0.5 video speed
+Coltan Vollrath starting at 2:30 it gets hilarious
Set it for 0.25 speed starting at 1:08 and imagine him with a beer in his hand. HILARIOUS.
Drunk in charge of a 7024 full O angry Pixies, thats new.
Most people just come home and Fry Chips lol
I'm considering buying a couple of boxes 3.2 mm or 1/8 7024 for a floor plating job I'm pricing. Plate is 6mm but I have just over 100ft of welding to do.
7018 would be unnecessary as far as code and low hydrogen. In Europe this job would often be hit with 4mm 6013 which can be real nice to run. But I'm thinking 7024 iron powders for speed as time is money etc.
Same here not my favorite rod to burn! Were dit the jet rod term come from I always hear them call it that. When I use it I usually run it on my sa 200 in middle hole and turned all the way up put ive only ran 3/16 rod and you got to hold the stinger over your head lol since the rod is so long and no matter what you do you end up with a flat bead ive only seen one person use it for structual work and they looked nice almost identical to lh
What a story! Using the heat from the weld to deform the long ibeam, on purpose! I wonder if it was a clever welder or a clever engineer that thought that up!?
Can you give me some tips on welding Duplex with carbon steel, I have a test coming up its 2G 3G and 4G with a picky inspector, thanks
Hey man, great work as always! Wish I could afford the dvds they seem sweet. Maybe soon...
Thanks anyways, and do keep up the great work! :-)
I actually have had good experiences with blue demon rods. their 6011 is actually pretty dang good IMO! lol
I recently acquired a mid 70s Lincoln hot box single phase stick welder. Not sure if it works still as it hasn't been plugged in in 25+ years. Any advice you can give a first time welder? A video on this would be awesome
BNelson M can you weld
If your rod thickness determines the amps you run, what determines the rod thickness in conjunction with the material thickness?
I'm a big fan of stick welding! :D
This is a real eye opener for me. A Lincoln 110v MIG is my goto GP welder around the home shop and I didn't realize how weak a good looking bead could be. While I haven't had a 'pop' like that (that I know of) I plan to do some testing and take greater care.
Was the bond weakness from not getting through the scale to virgin metal on the hot rolled or something else? I always grind or burr prep my weld areas but should I keep some rods on hand for hot rolled regardless?
Thanks for all the wisdom and effort made to get it to us.
if u have to weld thicker stuff, ya stick welding would be better.
nothing beats a good old 7018 pass. :)
AKweldshop 11018 lol
Eddie the Grouch If you don't have a stick rod welder and or want to stay using your wire feed welder you might consider trying some Lincoln NR-211. The innershield wire will dig deeper fuse better on super clean metal and fusion and penetration will be greatly improved on slightly rusty metal or hot rolled where the mill scale has not been removed. This will require knurled drive rolls and hooking the negative tap up to your drive rolls. You will also have more BB's and there will be slag to clean up. You will employ about 2 times the stick-out to let the flux inside the wire heat up and produce the shielding gas. Just the same as stick rod this will weld well outside in the wind, Drive roll pressure is also reduced on innershield wire so that the wire is not flattened making it feed poorly. You can even remove your gas cup for better visibility and joint access. That does expose the threads that the cup screws onto but an old worn out cup can be cut down to protect the threads or heat resistant tape will do a nice job. This wire will run well in all positions. It will not be as pretty as solid wire welds that is at no fault to the operator it is just a different process. I hope all this rambling helps you in some way. If you have any questions comment me back and I will be willing to answer to the best of my ability. This wire produces a lot of white smoke so if welding inside consider a fan to blow the smoke out of your breathing zone!
(years later) Hey! Another CZcams hero! I have recently started watching your stuff with great enjoyment. I think everyone in the welding industry agrees that the grinder is your best friend in welding... everyone wants to weld dirty wet oxidized metal, it might be possible but it's never beneficial! I've never seen anyone do this, but I think if I had to use a tiny welder and really cared about the result I'd concentrate on grinding and preparation, and then get some preheat in there! Nobody wants to use preheat, but it's easy and fun! What else? Put the work lead ON the work! Now you have a CHANCE!
Weird. At my shop, we run 7024 @ 275 - 300 amps
7024 is coded if rods are ovened.
Should AC be set a few amps higher than DCEP due to the lower penetration/heat(so I've heard)?
Not always, depends on the rod.
What is the correct amperage and technique for a 1/8 hard facing rod. When I use them the bond and hold under use but the bead will crack....preheat ?
Thanks love the videos and the fingers
In this case I would find the manufacturer's suggested procedure. But, generally with hardfacing rod you run it cold with a longer arc and don't worry about it being pretty. It's almost like an arc braze, you want to heat the base metal up just enough for the melted hardface to stick. It won't be real pretty but you aren't selling looks if you're hardfacing.
a hogs but sewed up with a grape vine huh? your not wrong
Hi Jody, why are you welding backhands ??? there is any specific reason for that? thank you
Question here is 7024 and 6027 ran almost the same?
All good stuff!!
in DC you must invert polarity of electrode to aviod magnetic flow
Hi, I've a DC Inverter, do you mean I swap the leads to get the AC.. ?
M many thanks in advance Franco.
@@julioseviltwin2304 means you give de "+" to the piece and "negative" to de rod
@@francocelesia3975 Thanking you, 👍🏻gotcha! Do the amps need adjusting once I swap to AC?
Classic short arc mig weld popping off
So I have had this question but never wanted to ask , would you consider a 2G weld a flat weld ??
Can you make a video about undercuts?
Not to be a pain. But it's only for horizontal fillets. Itll fall right out of a groove.
I'll admit in pretty new to welding but I've taken a liking to 7014, other than code type work (which I'm nowhere near) any major advantages/disadvantages vs 7018?
Yes, 7014 gives less penetration unless you run it really hot which can cause warping.
Interesting. The 1/8th 7024 Blue Demons I ordered off of Amazon are made in the USA, the 3/32nd ones are made in China.
My English is not good sorry but How I can buy your CD tanks I living in Kingston NY send information
I use 105 amps for 7024 rods I find it works good
extreme gamer what the heck?
Our weld instructor does just as you said. He'll have the guys who think theyre pros do 7024 verticle up.
Are you supposed to feel a slight dig?
Ok 2 questions.
1 do you have a service trailer for mobile welding jobs.
And 2 is there a muti posie welder that ad)dc Tig stick and mig weld that doesn't cost a arm and a leg.
3 question I know I lie I don't care. How long have you been selling DVDs for
Jody, this is completely off topic but... How about some R-Stamp talk? I've never really heard you talk about.
Hi I got a great deal on a 50 lb canister of 7018 Excalibur rod and I have not opened it yet because I do not have a rod oven, what would you recommend as far as storing the rod after opening, would food grade seal a meal bags work if I was to put some kind of moisture absorbent into them. I was thinking of maybe sealing them up in 10 lb packets but hesitate until I am pretty sure that it will not go bad.
Vacuum sealing them with some type of moisture removal should do the trick.
Marti woodchip howdy Marti, I know this is a very late reply to your question but I personally do not own a rod oven and I store my 7018's on a shelf out in the shop. You do not need a rod oven. The little amount of moisture on that shelf does not hurt a thing. If you do not feel comfortable with using them off the shelf that way, you can always "bake" them in the oven before using them to recondition the flux coating. Hope this helps, cheers brother!
Marti woodchip if your not doing code work no oven is fine, keep em dry and they'll be fine, run open air 7018 all the time and no problems..old ones that have been in shop forever still work well
jeremy doblinger I've done plenty of code work with 7018 (erections & tanking) never used a rod oven in the field. Last time was in school.
How do you know when your weld isn't hot enough? I've had more experienced welders just look at a weld and say whether it's too cold or just right but I have zero idea what I'm looking for and so far no one has explained it to me so that it makes sense.
Concavity of the weld: it should lay flat to slightly concave on the metal, not a fat bead on top of it. The point is for it to be digging into the metal as it's supposed to fuse into it as to be indistinguishable from it. Also read how the puddle digs into the metal as you're welding--look at how the liquid of the puddle eats down into the base metal instead of globbing on top of it. Look at how you see defined edges in this video.
Thank you very much Bill. That makes a lot of sense and I will do exactly that. Once again thank you very much I very much appreciate the answer and help.
I love 7024 jet wire
what part of Texas are you? :)
Mig welds are always a little iffy for me. They just are not for me at all. I get it’s a little faster but honestly it’s not really with it, id father take the extra time and know for sure the weld is strong.
do they make a mig wire equivalent to 7018?
Dual shield flux core is often compared to 7018
Yep, dual shield w/ co2 is generally considered the standard for that.
Thanks
read the amps on the box
My rod has no info on the box. educate properly for best results.
my 7024 beads look exactly like that
Quite right. That rod can burn your hand pretty easily; even a 3/32 runs hot.
The trick is U need to actually drag the rod. I used to work on storage tanks in refineries and i personally run 1000's of pounds of 7/32 rods in 20 years.
What amp would you drag at?
Like the change up showing different rods its not economically friendly for me to buy a bunch of different stuff (rods) to experiment with.....
"Best on Net"
7014 and 7024 are never sold in Mexico and the beads they lay are much prettier than the shitty 6013 electrodes.
busca 7010 que andan bien. Bien secos y calientes mejor...
"Hog's butt sewed up with a grape vine" lord, never heard that one!
I tried uphill with unknown rods and thought I was just a worthless welder. Im pretty sure it was 7024. :P
A 115v mig??? You weren't really welding,,, you were soldering!
OK Jody. 7014 ;-)
never ran a 7024 rod before, looks violent and unpleasant
It's actually pretty smooth but I wouldn't do it on thin stuff.
"Made in China"?!?
Nooooooo!
I see some effort (though reluctant) to denote measurements in the metric system. That's a good start - but at the end of the day:
USA, Burma and Liberia are the >>> ONLY COUNTRIES LEFT
+OttoDeCalumnias The USA is a free country. So mandate this!
+Paul Frederick
You are right! Free to self-destruct, free to loose all competitivity, free to stick the head in the sand and keep claiming: "We are the greatest Nation in the World". You can't mandate stuff like that. Either people get it or they don't. Wish you good luck with your current GOP presidential candidate, he will make America great again (Opps - was it not the greatest Nation to begin with???). RIP, USA!
OttoDeCalumnias
We're still great compared to every other nation on Earth. But compared to times past, we're not quite that great anymore. We're competing against ourselves here. The rest of the world is dragging us down.
Same here not my favorite rod to burn! Were dit the jet rod term come from I always hear them call it that. When I use it I usually run it on my sa 200 in middle hole and turned all the way up put ive only ran 3/16 rod and you got to hold the stinger over your head lol since the rod is so long and no matter what you do you end up with a flat bead ive only seen one person use it for structual work and they looked nice almost identical to lh
Can you give me some tips on welding Duplex with carbon steel, I have a test coming up its 2G 3G and 4G with a picky inspector, thanks