It looks like it will be a runaway sucess for Ineos. I'm liking what I'm seeing. Particularly the switchgear but not the lack of dash binnacle. But what I'm most excited about in the succes of the Grenadier, is the possibility that this will finally give Toyota a kick in the rear-end to develop the 70 Series to bring it to the 21st Century. The big question mark with the Grenadier is, how will you go with locating spare parts if you break down in remote areas like Cape York or the Simpson Desert?
Toyota won't change the 70 series. There is just enough demand to justify production. Modernizing it enough to sell worldwide makes no sense as well since they have the prados. The Grenadier has a hard time competing against his older brothers, it's much more expensive and has imho a lot of flaws for hardcore 4x4 fans and overlanders. For remote farmwork it's a good but way too expensive car. Better get a pickup truck
@@GraveBlashyrkh well if Toyota just reverted the 76 wagon back it's original origins, the 70 series Prado it would sell heaps better. The 70 series Prado didn't come into Australia, our first Prado was the 90 series. The original 70 series Prado was the original vehicle they built the current 76 wagon from, it wasn't a new vehicle at all, it already existed from early 1990s Pity was, the 70 series Prado had coils all round, an 80 series style dash & interior, vastly better than any 76 was/is, plus a sun roof etc. Toyota wouldn't have to reinvent the 76 to be better, just revert to the past, then stick an auto option in as well. Just think, coils all round from factory, with any luck the wheel track would finally be rectified. All that would vastly improve it without major investment. But we all know it won't happen, why would Toyota want to satisfy its consumer base when the consumer is so gullible as to buy crap and pay hideously for the pleasure. I did buy one, then realised it was crap and sold it off, reverting back to my Isuzu built Holden Jackaroo in favour of the extremely poor handling, useless off road crap Toyota sold me, yes I was gullible.
@@ianweal3081 yes that's true. In Japan they had the HZJ77 for the heavy duty demands(with leaf spring front and rear) and lj/kzj 77/78/79 prados for light duty demands. While the front and chassis are different, the rest was almost identical. Manual or auto gear boxes, splitable rear bench, sun roof(optional), and a stow away box in the cargo area. I still wonder why they did the widened 60 series style front when they had the shorter but widened (compared to narrow noze heavy duty models) prado front. Which would have allowed normal front and rear wheeltrack. Only toyota knows
I did not watch the video yet - But I have been waiting for this since 2019... Can not wait for this... This is gonna be a huge car in all markets for sure... Good luck team
This was the best review I’ve seen of it yet. It wasn’t just a fluff piece. Thanks. Can’t wait for you to get one and give more in depth. Here in the US we need to lift them and fit 35s and get better articulation, so hope you can get under it and give us the scoop on what that’s gonna entail. Also, I REALLY need to see exactly how flat the rear seat folds down in the 4 door model, and if it doesn’t what work arounds to get it to there might be.
I suspect the rear seat fold and quality problem with the rear seat wont be addressed. Not enough sound deadening. The noisier harsher nature isnt for me
@@jeremygaynor2410 i agree, given the battery config, if you want a flat load space with seats down J think the only solutions will be rear seat delete or build a platform behind them to same height. Neither option is appealing.
Excellent review a model definitely worth thinking about purchasing for a new tourer The only question I would have is dealer servicing and availability of spare parts for breakdowns (ie regional areas )
Thank you for the review. I really hope this car will be a huge success and super reliable with the diesel in the Northern parts of Canada. I hope they succeed in distribution, availability and that we can buy them in rural Canada.
@@nnoddy8161 I'm 184 cm, and FWIW take size 12 shoes. I didn't notice a problem with room in the footwell or placement of my left foot, whether in sitting in it, or on a short drive recently on an off-road course. It remains to be seen how it would be on a long drive of course, but I hadn't noticed anything and it was only watching this review that I heard of it.
Great concept come to life. I love it but, unfortunately outside my price range, here in Melbourne when configured same as my current Defender it will cost me $123K+ on road costs. For people that drive Landcruisers this will be great as they are paying similar money. I will be opting for a Pajero Sport instead for half the price and keeping my old Defender.
Be interesting to see how much services will cost compared to Toyota services. Me and many of my friends have moved from euro SUVs to Prado and LC due to the significant differences in ongoing costs.
There are many well thought out features in the Grenadier. Especially, finally a manufacturer that provides a weatherproof, prewired connection to electrical equipment on the roof of the vehicle. The rear split doors are also good in my opinion. Practical both in an urban carpark as well as in inclement weather out in the wild when you only want to open the rear to reach something inside without rain, snow, dust getting inside and a very strong wind from snatching a large sail like door out of your hand. The undercarriage goes without saying. However, the price point is up there with the luxury SUVs and I really have to question whether it will really compete with the Land Cruisers (the 70s) that are so popular with overlanders in Africa and Australia. Not to mention with international organisations like the UN, Red Cross/Crescent and the like. For most countries, that competition won't exist anyway as the LCs are not available other than in their latest 300 or Prado forms. Above all else, Ineos really need to get these to market or they will be labelled with the exact same reputation as UK car manufacturers that have long since disappeared. I acknowledge that the pandemic, Russia's invasion of Ukraine and China's zero Covid policy have slowed things down for them as well as everybody else. Even so....
Let me tell you from Personal experience with the car: it is not able to compete with older 4x4's yet. It's a suv with live axles. But with a second gen Ineos can make it s good and modern offroad truck. The prewired roof connectors for electric accessories is one of the good points. The rear doors are shite for reaching stuff in the trunk, you have to open both since the small one is tapeted due to the spare tite size
Looks like a cracking bit of kit. Think I’ll wait though, as BMW have just closed all sales to the police in the UK due to their engines catching fire or blowing up. To be fair, it’s unlikely many folk will stress their car like a copper in “drive it like you are chasing someone who stole it” mode.
I like it, but I wouldn’t buy one part as I personally need my vehicles to be better on-road too. Lack of creature comforts, vague steering, road noise and rattles need to be good for me. But for proper off-road drivers who will spend more time in the rough, it looks great as long as the price is competitive.
Simpson Desert crossing!? Where would you put the extra fuel? 90 litres ain't gunna cut it. No room for long range tanks underneath. The wheel ruts in the golf course are already scraping the under-carriage, I guess that is why that huge bash plate come snag plate is so prominent. Did you experience the un-controlled wheel shimmy on broken rocky surfaces? Rubber boots on CVjoints on drive-shafts, how long before they puncture or crack and allow dust and water in? Sort of well thought out - but not quite there yet. First thing it needs is to be 100mm further off the ground.
I do hope that Cararro have stuck with their tractor axle diff lock design where clutch packs engage the mechanical lock almost instantly. Nothing worse than waiting for an electric motor to engage the lock, which feels as if it takes forever and a Land Cruiser 100 and is prone to being corroded by road salt and water. How do I know? Because I own a 100 series with rear diff lock and various tractors with Carraro front axles.
A fascinating vehicle that suits many of my requirements. Definitely delaying any purchase decisions until I get to see this in Australia. It looks like the team at Ineos has really considered how people would use this vehicle
Good to wait. I had one on order. Got to sit in one and then cancelled the order. For me, the driving position and ergonomics are atrocious for a newly designed vehicle. I’m about 6ft tall and my left leg was jammed up between the steering wheel and centre console, the pedals are skewed to the right and long reach to accelerator pedal. Ignition key is on left of steering column, not the right where it should be so keys will hit you left knee that’s propped up high. It would be awkward and tiresome on long trips. If you’re short in height and in-seam then maybe you’d be better off.
@@johncanalese588 thanks for that. Actually you've mentioned a couple really important thing for me. Like you, every reviewer has mentioned the seating position, and slope & weird angle of feet cavity. I have a physical injury & therefore restriction for my left leg, which also means I sit way closer to the pedals than I ordinarily should. Seems like I really need to test and possibly wait for a resolution of the issues you have raised. Thanks, shame if its something so basic that means people like us not buy it.
@@joshuanicholson420 Yes, I was disappointed as I liked the rest of the vehicle (maybe a bigger fuel tank and a digital speedo in front of the driver), build quality etc. But, you’ve gotta be comfortable behind the wheel. Good luck.
@@jerrymyahzcate said “Zee” F about three time early in the review which is kinda weird as he’s an Aussie right? Also ZF is a German manufacturer and if we really want to correct it is pronounced as “Zed Eff” in German.
@@Douganchesnerlol yep. I would take an actual tough truck that can be properly modified for the desired application over a luxury car full of delicate electronics that will break the second you take it off road. Probably hard for a fanboy that doesn’t actually use their vehicle for its intended purpose to understand though, stick with your Range Rover.
@@M8YM8 you haven’t driven or owned either I’d guess. I love all these people putting complete faith in a first year, first car producer. As for me I’ve done more off-roaring and trailering than any owner of a Grenadier I can guarantee it. Can you dispel any of the facts that I previously laid out? Can you prove that the brand new grenadier is actually reliable?
Really, I didn’t see any “gauges”, only buttons, switches and that video screen! Ineos grandstands about being back to reliable basics, but there’s not one analogue of analogue/electric gauge to be seen! The entire car functions via a video panel interface - kinda contradictory to me.
@@abymathew295 Errr…yeh I understand. My comment was only reinforcing yours - that Ineos made a poor choice in not having at least some traditional elements like analogue instruments in front of the driver.
@@johncanalese588 Yes. It is kinda weird to look at the centre of the dashboard to see vital infos. They should build it in the conventional way, infront of the driver.
how long do you think its going to be before headlights roof handles and various other accessories get stolen ?only little T20-T25 torque bits just holding them on ??
BMW 3.0L turbo engine with the ZF trans? It's a great transmission but a bunch of those B57/B58 burn oil badly. BMW reliability doesn't belong offroad, IMO. I'm glad to see new competition, but I don't see why anyone should take this over a Prado/GX/Landcruiser
I’ve only heard good things about BMW straight sixes (both diesel and petrol) I think the 335i had some issues early on in their production but I’m pretty sure they’ve ironed that out by now.
I'm pretty sure this 3L straight six is the best engine money can buy. Thats the last thing i'm worried about with this car. This is a tank of wheels, like the Hummer 2.0
For me, wanting a commercial version - posh van, the Genadier is a big disappointment. The market for trades wanting a 4x4 van for these types of vehicles is massive, the Grenadier is to high and wide for car parks. The drive is too poor for roads and for the price doesn`t have enough comforts. I have ordered a defender 110 commercial instead.
@@Drivecomau, it’s a 90 litre fuel tank! The diesel also has a 20l Ad-blue tank. I heard a rumour that because the North American market will only be getting the Petrol engined version, launching in 2024 that they’ll get a 100 litre fuel tank.
@@ToddHendry ok I may have missed the first time but while doing the on-road driving part he definitely said Zed. I have a ZF 9-HP48 (Zed Eff) 9spd in my Land Rover and love it. Fantastic gearbox.
It is an amazing looking car. But if you wanna make "no BS, all around car", why there is not a bloody dashboard in the front of driver? Instead you have almost Tesla like screen in the middle. I need to have the basic info like the speed in the front on me. Also only automatic transmission, really?
Not a fan of Ladder-Chassis/Body on Frame or Live axles. Monocoque with Independent all round is the go because like you say, most of the driving to Get to the off-road stuff, is on-road. You mention nice noise of the engines! Noise isn’t a thing you want. You want quite and refined yet powerful and smooth. Dang my Discovery Sport has a payload of 759kg. Kerb Weight is 1841kg and GVM is 2600kg.
I am at a loss as to why you are even commenting here?? The Ineos Grenadier was built for a certain market sector that appreciates those things you don't like. There are plenty of SUVs out there already built to your preference. Why don't you go and comment on those and stop wasting your time here as Ineos isn't about about to change the design to meet any of your preferences.
Mate, you’ve clearly come to the wrong place with a comment like that - don’t know why you bothered to be frank. There is a target market for this vehicle that clearly isn’t you!
That’s because he’s comparing it to a far better vehicle. And it doesn’t stack up. Sure it has upgrades over the old Defender - but give me a new Defender any day over the Ineos.
The problem is it’s overpriced for what it is. You could buy a RAM TRX for that money which has more power, capability, comfort, same mpg, easier access for service, and better load and space …. If it was $55k US instead of $72k US it would be a good buy
When you said that you don't want this car to be too quiet and refined, that's when I knew you've been drinking too much of the Ineos kool-aid. The rumble of the engine will become tiring after hours and hours of driving getting to and from your destinations. I'd rather have me a quiet and refine ultra capable 4WD thanks.
As far as cabin noise goes I found it better than my FJ cruiser, MUCH better than a 70 series or Patrol and similar to a 10 year old mid spec Prado. Has nothing on a 300 series, new Defender or AWD SUV but fits the target market I think. I mean, I would rather have proper stock skid plates and steel bumpers than 200k of dynamat in the body...
It is certainly good for Europe but not in North Africa or Australia. Far too expensive winch and too little space for a wider tank. Too little ground clearance. I would probably prefer a landcruiser.
Too little ground clearance? 264mm is better than just about everything else bar those with air suspension. Landcruisers have less ground clearance so you are not making sense.
My TD5 defender had much better steering, ride and handling than a 79 series cruiser. I recently test drove a new v6 wildtrak ranger. The TD5 Defender had better steering than the ranger too. These electric steering cars have no feel at all. The most worrying thing about this new car is the BMW engines. They haven't built good engines this century.
I'm a UK buyer at the original price - thanks for the review, it matches my thoughts. The wait is killing me!
I reckon you'll like it when it lands. - Sam
Me too. Don’t think some of the uk reviewers really get it.
It looks like it will be a runaway sucess for Ineos. I'm liking what I'm seeing. Particularly the switchgear but not the lack of dash binnacle. But what I'm most excited about in the succes of the Grenadier, is the possibility that this will finally give Toyota a kick in the rear-end to develop the 70 Series to bring it to the 21st Century. The big question mark with the Grenadier is, how will you go with locating spare parts if you break down in remote areas like Cape York or the Simpson Desert?
Toyota won't change the 70 series. There is just enough demand to justify production. Modernizing it enough to sell worldwide makes no sense as well since they have the prados.
The Grenadier has a hard time competing against his older brothers, it's much more expensive and has imho a lot of flaws for hardcore 4x4 fans and overlanders. For remote farmwork it's a good but way too expensive car. Better get a pickup truck
@@GraveBlashyrkh well if Toyota just reverted the 76 wagon back it's original origins, the 70 series Prado it would sell heaps better.
The 70 series Prado didn't come into Australia, our first Prado was the 90 series. The original 70 series Prado was the original vehicle they built the current 76 wagon from, it wasn't a new vehicle at all, it already existed from early 1990s
Pity was, the 70 series Prado had coils all round, an 80 series style dash & interior, vastly better than any 76 was/is, plus a sun roof etc.
Toyota wouldn't have to reinvent the 76 to be better, just revert to the past, then stick an auto option in as well.
Just think, coils all round from factory, with any luck the wheel track would finally be rectified. All that would vastly improve it without major investment. But we all know it won't happen, why would Toyota want to satisfy its consumer base when the consumer is so gullible as to buy crap and pay hideously for the pleasure. I did buy one, then realised it was crap and sold it off, reverting back to my Isuzu built Holden Jackaroo in favour of the extremely poor handling, useless off road crap Toyota sold me, yes I was gullible.
@@ianweal3081 yes that's true. In Japan they had the HZJ77 for the heavy duty demands(with leaf spring front and rear) and lj/kzj 77/78/79 prados for light duty demands. While the front and chassis are different, the rest was almost identical. Manual or auto gear boxes, splitable rear bench, sun roof(optional), and a stow away box in the cargo area. I still wonder why they did the widened 60 series style front when they had the shorter but widened (compared to narrow noze heavy duty models) prado front. Which would have allowed normal front and rear wheeltrack. Only toyota knows
I did not watch the video yet - But I have been waiting for this since 2019... Can not wait for this... This is gonna be a huge car in all markets for sure... Good luck team
This is the car I have been wanting!
I live in Aus and need a 76 Series brute but with a touch of class inside!
This was the best review I’ve seen of it yet. It wasn’t just a fluff piece. Thanks. Can’t wait for you to get one and give more in depth. Here in the US we need to lift them and fit 35s and get better articulation, so hope you can get under it and give us the scoop on what that’s gonna entail. Also, I REALLY need to see exactly how flat the rear seat folds down in the 4 door model, and if it doesn’t what work arounds to get it to there might be.
Check out Johnny Smiths' Late Brake Show test very good
I suspect the rear seat fold and quality problem with the rear seat wont be addressed. Not enough sound deadening. The noisier harsher nature isnt for me
@@jeremygaynor2410 i agree, given the battery config, if you want a flat load space with seats down J think the only solutions will be rear seat delete or build a platform behind them to same height. Neither option is appealing.
Fantastic and concise review Sam, great to see it reviewed by someone who understands the customer base this vehicle is built for.
Excellent review a model definitely worth thinking about purchasing for a new tourer
The only question I would have is dealer servicing and availability of spare parts for breakdowns (ie regional areas )
Mines on order , went for the petrol engine, can’t wait for the day it comes. Fantastic review 👏👏
Thank you for the review. I really hope this car will be a huge success and super reliable with the diesel in the Northern parts of Canada.
I hope they succeed in distribution, availability and that we can buy them in rural Canada.
Sorry to say that Canada along with USA will only get the Petrol powered Grenadier.
That’s sad. I guess we will wait and see how they hold up. For now I’ll hold on to my 4Runner and keep building it.
Can’t wait to get my hands on this defender 😂
Is a beauty
Please come to Australia
I bought a new defender in 05. Finally I have a replacement option. I think I’m in.
What the hell have been driving the last 10 years?
PLEASE make a center gauge cluster option!
Saw this up close.
It’s incredible
An expertly and concisely delivered review.
Thanks for highly detailed feedback, can't wait to get mine!
Great review, Sam. As a member of the target market, I appreciate your considered thoughts and your technical accuracy. 🙂
Glad to hear you enjoyed the review! It will really suit some buyers out there well. - Sam
The foot rest is a serious problem which Ineos need to find a way of resolving.
Have you sat in it? It was not for me....I think it is being overblown.
@@nnoddy8161 Yes. Drove it too. I like it a lot. The footrest is a very real issue and a possible deal breaker.
@@KwagGarsa How tall are you?
@@nnoddy8161 I'm 184 cm, and FWIW take size 12 shoes. I didn't notice a problem with room in the footwell or placement of my left foot, whether in sitting in it, or on a short drive recently on an off-road course. It remains to be seen how it would be on a long drive of course, but I hadn't noticed anything and it was only watching this review that I heard of it.
I heard the pedals were also offset in RHD versions. I wonder if this was resolved.
It' s beautiful
Great concept come to life.
I love it but, unfortunately outside my price range, here in Melbourne when configured same as my current Defender it will cost me $123K+ on road costs.
For people that drive Landcruisers this will be great as they are paying similar money.
I will be opting for a Pajero Sport instead for half the price and keeping my old Defender.
Be interesting to see how much services will cost compared to Toyota services. Me and many of my friends have moved from euro SUVs to Prado and LC due to the significant differences in ongoing costs.
great, measured and considered review. thank you.
Am loving the grenadier
There are many well thought out features in the Grenadier. Especially, finally a manufacturer that provides a weatherproof, prewired connection to electrical equipment on the roof of the vehicle. The rear split doors are also good in my opinion. Practical both in an urban carpark as well as in inclement weather out in the wild when you only want to open the rear to reach something inside without rain, snow, dust getting inside and a very strong wind from snatching a large sail like door out of your hand. The undercarriage goes without saying.
However, the price point is up there with the luxury SUVs and I really have to question whether it will really compete with the Land Cruisers (the 70s) that are so popular with overlanders in Africa and Australia. Not to mention with international organisations like the UN, Red Cross/Crescent and the like. For most countries, that competition won't exist anyway as the LCs are not available other than in their latest 300 or Prado forms. Above all else, Ineos really need to get these to market or they will be labelled with the exact same reputation as UK car manufacturers that have long since disappeared. I acknowledge that the pandemic, Russia's invasion of Ukraine and China's zero Covid policy have slowed things down for them as well as everybody else. Even so....
Let me tell you from Personal experience with the car: it is not able to compete with older 4x4's yet. It's a suv with live axles. But with a second gen Ineos can make it s good and modern offroad truck.
The prewired roof connectors for electric accessories is one of the good points. The rear doors are shite for reaching stuff in the trunk, you have to open both since the small one is tapeted due to the spare tite size
Looks like a cracking bit of kit. Think I’ll wait though, as BMW have just closed all sales to the police in the UK due to their engines catching fire or blowing up. To be fair, it’s unlikely many folk will stress their car like a copper in “drive it like you are chasing someone who stole it” mode.
I like it, but I wouldn’t buy one part as I personally need my vehicles to be better on-road too. Lack of creature comforts, vague steering, road noise and rattles need to be good for me. But for proper off-road drivers who will spend more time in the rough, it looks great as long as the price is competitive.
Hope you'll do a Lidsdale overnighter review Sam
Great vehicle the Defender off road enthusiasts really wanted
Heard of a few niggles, probably keen on a mk2 later on
How's the on-road drive compared to wrangler and bronco ??
Great review.
Simpson Desert crossing!? Where would you put the extra fuel? 90 litres ain't gunna cut it. No room for long range tanks underneath. The wheel ruts in the golf course are already scraping the under-carriage, I guess that is why that huge bash plate come snag plate is so prominent. Did you experience the un-controlled wheel shimmy on broken rocky surfaces? Rubber boots on CVjoints on drive-shafts, how long before they puncture or crack and allow dust and water in? Sort of well thought out - but not quite there yet. First thing it needs is to be 100mm further off the ground.
264mm ground clearance is pretty near the top of class. An extra 100mm would put it at 364mm? the thing would tip over!
There is plenty of space for an additional tank below. Wait for the aftermarket.
Thanks for the excellent review I have a trial trialmaster on order in Australia can't wait
No traditional instrument cluster in front of the driver, looks a bit weird and waste of space.
Love it ,a reborn defender...
Looks good, fix the footwell, increase the fuel, and the instrumentation and it might be worth a second look in a couple of years.
I do hope that Cararro have stuck with their tractor axle diff lock design where clutch packs engage the mechanical lock almost instantly. Nothing worse than waiting for an electric motor to engage the lock, which feels as if it takes forever and a Land Cruiser 100 and is prone to being corroded by road salt and water. How do I know? Because I own a 100 series with rear diff lock and various tractors with Carraro front axles.
just need a few numbers to come in on the lotto and i can get one!
would bin that front bumper off straight away
gd from jamaica how is the braking on road ; how is the sound proofing on road ; any wind noise
A fascinating vehicle that suits many of my requirements. Definitely delaying any purchase decisions until I get to see this in Australia. It looks like the team at Ineos has really considered how people would use this vehicle
Good to wait. I had one on order. Got to sit in one and then cancelled the order. For me, the driving position and ergonomics are atrocious for a newly designed vehicle. I’m about 6ft tall and my left leg was jammed up between the steering wheel and centre console, the pedals are skewed to the right and long reach to accelerator pedal. Ignition key is on left of steering column, not the right where it should be so keys will hit you left knee that’s propped up high. It would be awkward and tiresome on long trips. If you’re short in height and in-seam then maybe you’d be better off.
@@johncanalese588 thanks for that. Actually you've mentioned a couple really important thing for me. Like you, every reviewer has mentioned the seating position, and slope & weird angle of feet cavity. I have a physical injury & therefore restriction for my left leg, which also means I sit way closer to the pedals than I ordinarily should.
Seems like I really need to test and possibly wait for a resolution of the issues you have raised. Thanks, shame if its something so basic that means people like us not buy it.
@@joshuanicholson420 Yes, I was disappointed as I liked the rest of the vehicle (maybe a bigger fuel tank and a digital speedo in front of the driver), build quality etc. But, you’ve gotta be comfortable behind the wheel. Good luck.
Zee F transmission? Did you mean Zed F?
I only heard him say Zed Eff!
@@jerrymyahzcate said “Zee” F about three time early in the review which is kinda weird as he’s an Aussie right? Also ZF is a German manufacturer and if we really want to correct it is pronounced as “Zed Eff” in German.
This is the car Land Rover should have made!
You mean a car with less Towing capacity, payload capacity, wading depth, ground clearance or off-road angles?
@@Douganchesnerlol yep. I would take an actual tough truck that can be properly modified for the desired application over a luxury car full of delicate electronics that will break the second you take it off road. Probably hard for a fanboy that doesn’t actually use their vehicle for its intended purpose to understand though, stick with your Range Rover.
@@M8YM8 you haven’t driven or owned either I’d guess. I love all these people putting complete faith in a first year, first car producer. As for me I’ve done more off-roaring and trailering than any owner of a Grenadier I can guarantee it. Can you dispel any of the facts that I previously laid out? Can you prove that the brand new grenadier is actually reliable?
Can I buy one in EV with solar panel paint?
Love it
Everything good, except that centre mounted Gauge cluster and that crappy BMW shifter..🥴🥴🥴
Really, I didn’t see any “gauges”, only buttons, switches and that video screen! Ineos grandstands about being back to reliable basics, but there’s not one analogue of analogue/electric gauge to be seen! The entire car functions via a video panel interface - kinda contradictory to me.
@@johncanalese588 . Digital gauge cluster
@@abymathew295 Errr…yeh I understand. My comment was only reinforcing yours - that Ineos made a poor choice in not having at least some traditional elements like analogue instruments in front of the driver.
@@johncanalese588 Yes. It is kinda weird to look at the centre of the dashboard to see vital infos. They should build it in the conventional way, infront of the driver.
I never knew Russell Crowe did car reviews
What is the verdict on the center instrument cluster? Does it work better compared to the traditional location in front of the steering wheel?
I honestly don't mind it. I got used to it quickly and enjoyed the extra visibility over the bonnet for off-roading. - Sam
Did they fix the offset foot pedals in the RHD version?
فخامه
Reminds me of an Army spec G-Wagon
how long do you think its going to be before headlights roof handles and various other accessories get stolen ?only little T20-T25 torque bits just holding them on ??
BMW 3.0L turbo engine with the ZF trans? It's a great transmission but a bunch of those B57/B58 burn oil badly. BMW reliability doesn't belong offroad, IMO. I'm glad to see new competition, but I don't see why anyone should take this over a Prado/GX/Landcruiser
I’ve only heard good things about BMW straight sixes (both diesel and petrol) I think the 335i had some issues early on in their production but I’m pretty sure they’ve ironed that out by now.
It's a fair point for sure, and the true reliability of the Grenadier will only be proved in the years (and decades) to come. - Sam
I'm pretty sure this 3L straight six is the best engine money can buy. Thats the last thing i'm worried about with this car. This is a tank of wheels, like the Hummer 2.0
So it’s a 5 door jimny?
For me, wanting a commercial version - posh van, the Genadier is a big disappointment. The market for trades wanting a 4x4 van for these types of vehicles is massive, the Grenadier is to high and wide for car parks. The drive is too poor for roads and for the price doesn`t have enough comforts. I have ordered a defender 110 commercial instead.
When are they launching in Australia
$97,000 AUZ $ is about $67,000 U.S $. we pay that or more for luxury wagons -suvs ,4x4 utes, broncos , rubicon's ,
FYI, you can buy these in the USA in 2024 but only the Petrol version - no Diesel for you.
It’s a gwagon alternative with BMW drivetrain
What’s the fuel tank capacity?
The fuel tank has a 75-litre capacity.
@@Drivecomau, it’s a 90 litre fuel tank! The diesel also has a 20l Ad-blue tank. I heard a rumour that because the North American market will only be getting the Petrol engined version, launching in 2024 that they’ll get a 100 litre fuel tank.
😀💪 GOOD CAR, GOOD BOY 👍😊🤗👏👏👏
GOOD! - Sam
I must have missed it. Is there front and rear lockers or just a centre one?
The Grenadier comes with all three, a centre diff lock, plus front and rear diff locks.
Thanks for the trialmaster/trailmaster clarification, my tiny little brain couldn't figure it out 😒 so patronising.
I will buy one, in it is possible!
It’s possible if you live in a country that sells them and you have the money. What’s your point?
@@johncanalese588 in good old Germany. I am registrated, but there is no car untill now!
ZED EFF gearbox.
Noticed the same. The Ozzy accent does grate. But a positive review.
@@JerryFlint6 we don’t say Zee in Australia. But he does
He said Zed Eff.
@@jerrymyahzcat listen a bit closer. He says both.
@@ToddHendry ok I may have missed the first time but while doing the on-road driving part he definitely said Zed.
I have a ZF 9-HP48 (Zed Eff) 9spd in my Land Rover and love it. Fantastic gearbox.
It is an amazing looking car. But if you wanna make "no BS, all around car", why there is not a bloody dashboard in the front of driver? Instead you have almost Tesla like screen in the middle. I need to have the basic info like the speed in the front on me. Also only automatic transmission, really?
is it more roomie than a disco 4
Not a fan of Ladder-Chassis/Body on Frame or Live axles. Monocoque with Independent all round is the go because like you say, most of the driving to Get to the off-road stuff, is on-road.
You mention nice noise of the engines! Noise isn’t a thing you want. You want quite and refined yet powerful and smooth.
Dang my Discovery Sport has a payload of 759kg.
Kerb Weight is 1841kg and GVM is 2600kg.
If you do a lot of outback touring like me. It has to be solid axles, ladder frame. Monocoque won’t last so long out here.
Horses for courses.
I am at a loss as to why you are even commenting here?? The Ineos Grenadier was built for a certain market sector that appreciates those things you don't like. There are plenty of SUVs out there already built to your preference. Why don't you go and comment on those and stop wasting your time here as Ineos isn't about about to change the design to meet any of your preferences.
@@p00595p cool
Mate, you’ve clearly come to the wrong place with a comment like that - don’t know why you bothered to be frank. There is a target market for this vehicle that clearly isn’t you!
base price is $123k, hard pass, it was value at $95k
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Made in France!
Good vehicle but deadfall interior looks so mismatch and no proper instrument cluster
He said Defender 137 times. 😜
That’s because he’s comparing it to a far better vehicle. And it doesn’t stack up. Sure it has upgrades over the old Defender - but give me a new Defender any day over the Ineos.
It's Zed, not Zee, your an Aussie not American
And not to be outdone by LC, they added the ugly light grey to the interior pillars and headliner as per the LC79. 🤮
The problem is it’s overpriced for what it is. You could buy a RAM TRX for that money which has more power, capability, comfort, same mpg, easier access for service, and better load and space …. If it was $55k US instead of $72k US it would be a good buy
Ram TRX is $250k in Australia... twice the price of a grenadier 🤯
Recirculating balls
When you said that you don't want this car to be too quiet and refined, that's when I knew you've been drinking too much of the Ineos kool-aid. The rumble of the engine will become tiring after hours and hours of driving getting to and from your destinations. I'd rather have me a quiet and refine ultra capable 4WD thanks.
As far as cabin noise goes I found it better than my FJ cruiser, MUCH better than a 70 series or Patrol and similar to a 10 year old mid spec Prado. Has nothing on a 300 series, new Defender or AWD SUV but fits the target market I think. I mean, I would rather have proper stock skid plates and steel bumpers than 200k of dynamat in the body...
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New Defender or Discovery 5 any day over this old Defender knock off.
It is certainly good for Europe but not in North Africa or Australia. Far too expensive winch and too little space for a wider tank. Too little ground clearance.
I would probably prefer a landcruiser.
Too little ground clearance? 264mm is better than just about everything else bar those with air suspension. Landcruisers have less ground clearance so you are not making sense.
It has a bigger gas tank than the Bronco.
We wants review by 4WD/24... Guys where are you...
The only problem with the Grenadier, is that it is not a Land Cruiser....
My TD5 defender had much better steering, ride and handling than a 79 series cruiser. I recently test drove a new v6 wildtrak ranger. The TD5 Defender had better steering than the ranger too. These electric steering cars have no feel at all. The most worrying thing about this new car is the BMW engines. They haven't built good engines this century.
Anything has better steering, ride and handling than a 79 series.
So you cant sit down in the backseat to show us the space? 5sec of your life!!
For this price you can get a G-Class Diesel. No way! Needs to be half the price of a G-Class
Good luck with the independent front suspension on current G-class.
Seems like another Land Rover vehicle with a different MANUFACTURER NAME but everything's still the same including very expensive and unreliable
unreliable? How did you arrive at that conclusion exactly?🧐
Made in France,by a Brexiteer.
Ineos Brexiteer 😂
Great review.