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Swadeshi Indology 3 - Nilesh Oak's Plenary Talk on Aryan Invasion Theories
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- čas přidán 16. 08. 2024
- Nilesh Oak summarises the evolution of the Aryan Theories and presents the current state of scholarship , its validity and veracity. including his own findings based on astronomical data found in the Vedas and Itihaasas.
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Recent excavations in north India support the age estimates of Dr. Oak. Credos to him for his clear, well-defined an9d delineated exposition of a rather novel advancement of the antiquity of the epics. I salute you! This calls for a standing ovation. Such scholars should -bey the think tank of GOI and not restricted to academia.
Those of you who are wondering why AIT dogmatists are stuck on 2000 BCE - 1500 BCE time interval, here is a quick response from the able pen of a medical professional. [the actual answer is multidimensional and much longer. That is what it takes to fight an entrenched dogma]
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Actually that "constraint" varies from about 1500 to 1000 BC and they are all linguistic constraints because they have so called "attested" evidence of other "Indo-European" languages that start appearing which have been dated after 1000 BC. There are actually many holes in this theory but no one (other than Indians) is bothered.
For example - they know that the Chhand Upastha ("Zend Avesta") mentions the Vedas but Vedas don't mention the latter. Many "weshtern" authors point out the similarities between Atharva Veda and The Zoroastrian book. So the Zoroastrian language is placed as a sister language to "Vedic Sanskrit". Since they have already dated Atharva Veda to beginning of iron age by virtue of mention of black metal, and they place iron age (probably wrongly) in India as 1000 BC - they give a date of about 1000 BC to Atharva Veda and Chhand Upastha/Zend Avesta. Our cunning linguists have "allowed" 500 years for the earlier Rig Veda - placing Rig Veda around 1500 BC
After 1000 BC all sorts of other dates crop up. "Old Persian" is posited to be a daughter language of Zoroastrian - in fact Darius was a Zoroastrian and his Old Persian Behistun inscription in Iran is about 500 BC. between 1000 BC and 500 BC they have placed all sorts of other things including the Buddha. After 500 BC they have Alexander and Chandragupta who is claimed to be Sandrocottus.
I can dispute dates for Panini using various "weshtern" sources - placing him a few centuries earlier. The "Avestan language" is a completely cooked up language - wholly and completely cooked up by cunning linguists from a 12th century Sanskrit rendition of a so called "middle Persian" text by one Neryosang Dhaval.
What is absolutely astounding about these mofos - yes I use a term of contempt - mofos - is that they are perfectly willing to use "linguistc evidence" from Sanskrit texts if its suits their dates. For example "black metal" reference to them is absolute truth. Flat nosed "dasyus" (Dravidians) is absolute truth. "Purs" representing forts of defeated races is truth. IIn fact all these translated words are rubbish. But when the same linguistic evidence from the same texts points to earlier dates like Saraswati river and astronomy dates - they reject all that.
Archaeological evidence is good for them as long as horse bones are not found. When horse bones are found, they are not horses, or there are not enough horse bones. But all this is going to get wiped clean because nowadays there is some real solid paleobotanical and paleo-climactic studies appearing that are giving a very good picture of the environment to correlate with available texts and archaeological evidence. Also Indian explanations of the Vedas showing how people like Muller (who used Sayana) and indeed Sayana himself were going off track in their interpretations of the Vedas contradicting Yaska and earlier commentators on the Veda. Horse sacrifice and horse burials have been conjured up from the Vedas where nothing of the sort is there. A great deal of gaandmasti has gone on..
The Mitanni evidence is actually problematic in many ways because the Sanskrit has a clear link with the Vedas - but it they say that the language was in Syria before reaching India - the route of spread from "Steppe" gets screwed up. Also along with Mitanni are the Sanskrit "Horse training texts of Kikkuli". Current theories claim that people on horses and chariots rode out around 2500 BC - and went in various directions - and towards India they split up into Iranian branch and Indian branch. Iranian became Zoroastrian and Indian branch Sanskrit - both around 1500 BC. But Mitanni is a sort of kabab mein haddi with no clear explanation. It is simply fudged. The only clear explanation is that Vedas already existed by 1800 BC in India and the language was taken to Syria by Indian origin kings. This is a problematic explanation for linguists
Could someone care to comment about this work which is a criticism to Shrikanth Taligeri's The Rigveda A Historical Analysis - WESTWARD HO ! , The Incredible Wanderlust of the gvedic Tribes, pdfs.semanticscholar.org/5e34/21914dc0ae085ab5ad74ed983e0e6713512f.pdf
Regarding horses - timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home/science/Horses-and-rhinos-originated-in-India-Researchers/articleshow/45218292.cms
Nilesh Oak how are you sure that that dry river bed was river saraswati? Why can't it be a central Asian river or European river?
Do you understand the scientific methodology, briefly explained in this talk and in my numerous other videos? In science, we can only talk of 'more likely' vs 'less likely'.
I am very sure that based on all available empirical, objectively testable evidence, the dry river bed (in this talk) refers to river Sarasvati. If you have another theory, feel free to present it with corresponding 'objectively testable' evidence. We should be open to new evidence and be willing to change our inferences, theories, suppositions and assumptions, in the light of new evidence.
I have not discussed or debated with Manasatarangini (aka Arvind Iyer). I am familiar with the name and his blog.
Thank you sir. You don’t know how important and relevant this discourse is in TN today. This land is all set to become the next Kashmir and we need to actively engage breaking india forces that ate extremely powerful and vocal here
The most rational and humble person.....
Brilliant presentation..Bravo Nilesh ! Keep shining the light of truth and science to dispel the nonsense and falsehood that has been systematically spread about the Indian civilization...
What you are doing is extremely important..Ultimately dharma always wins - Keep up this amazing work !
Swadeshi Indologists Foundation of India for advanced Research on indology. Thanks prof. Nilesh Neelakanta.
I was seeing some different video and just checking the link took me to nilesh oak. I am fortunate that I did this sir. Outstanding presentation 👏👏👏
Thank you
This is extremely important in the context of how in Tamil Nadu, a narrative has been built and established using AIT or AMT to label Brahmins as outsiders and invaders, different and distinct from Dravidians. Brahmins have been ostracized and all societal evils of casteism has been dumped on them and casteism is also been linked to the Vedas. It is scientifically well established now, that Brahmins or Dravidians have the same origins in the same ancient land, tracing back to their common forefathers. Will this pave the way for stopping more hate and venom against Brahmins using false Aryan theories in Tamil Nadu, though enormous damage has already been done by the Dravidian movement and the Dravidian parties (now mascarading in new avatars of Tamil Dravidian proponents) and those so called ' intellectuals' who want to disguise their prejudice and hatred against Brahmins though false theories of AIT or AMT and such nonsense, which have nil scientific validity.
OMG.. we are the oldest thriving civilization and we aren't even aware of it?
Really brilliant. Thanks for your pains taking research and these videos, which will help in re-establishing glory of ancient Bharat.
Pranam Nilesh Oak ji. As always brilliant.
Dhanyavad. Spread these wide and multiple times.
Beautiful! Will share with all of my friends
do it plz
Jai Bharat jai snaten we support you Neeleshji.
Love u guys!! Thank u so much. We need an infographic and animated video on this chronology in all Indian languages and English too, with side by side evidence to share in social media...something like TedEdu videos. There are many such videos that propagate AIT/AMT dogma. There must be videos that tell this story. Thank u so much Nilesh ji. Am watching many of your videos. They are so helpful and enlightening and strengthening the roots of our identity. Have a great time.
Looking forward for more lectures from you Sir.
Excellent. We need this information. Thank you for sharing!
This is some serious research, it must take a lot of hard work.
bahut dhanyavaad for this! will share with nay sayers!
Dear mr oak. A genius such as yourself must take this knowledge global. Thank you for your efforts. I wonder how amazing it would be to have you and Graham Hancock on the same platform sharing similar ideas or even better collaborate to jointly write another book!
Fantastic! Sir, one small point. Patanjala Darshana is the name of the Darshana and the Rishi who wrote is Maharshi Patanjali.
Aryan Invasion Theory is a myth invented by Britishers and supported by Congress/Leftist. Aryan never came from outside. They are original Bharatiya. Jai Hind, Jai Bharat.
Neat and rational exposition.
Sir, your lectures are great n require more n more exposure to theworld n that too FASTER. Thus PLEASE CREATE A BAND OF ORATORS students who follow u n your thought pattern send them out to the world To counter act with current ANTI INDIA LEFTY THOUGHT !
This video is very old! It is recently proved that Aryan Invasion has happened!
good job nilesh sir.
I am bit confused with our graph. Why not the present on the right and past on the left of x axis ?
haha..this is ignorace of highest order from some Communists and self claimed Dravidians to say Sanskrit is not native to Bharat. Then it implies Vedas too not from Bharat bcoz it had come from Central Asia (through Khyber pass now at Pakistan Afghanistan Border). Right? Amazed to see you too are brainwashed by this Biblical Archaeology and see Indian Vedic History as primitive, lot of different religions, lot of different Gods, fragmented, scattered all over the place and not united. I can quote a number of quotes from Rigveda (oldest manuscripts in the world) that can clarify your doubt whether it is talking about Indian subcontinent or not. By the way a lot of Genetic History is being traced by the grace of Science now even in Mysore University which is in South to prove you wrong and political driven.
Now coming to their allegation on origin of Sanskrit, let me tell you that you will be astonished to know that Vedas (which are written in Sanskrit) are actually even older than the language Sanskrit itself. From the state of Consciousness the Rishis had, the Vedas emerged as Sounds and then later these sounds became a language that you can today use to order a cup of tea also and so on. The fact that Vedas are earlier than the language is very different from the cases of other languages where normally the language comes first and then all prevailing and surviving texts in those languages. It may sound you like hearing Shakespeare came first and then the English. But here's a case where huge corpus of text emerges at the Conscious level (I call it "Rishi" state) and then the mental mind at a lower level turns it into conceptual ideas to make sense of it because intellectual level tries to make sense of everything. And then comes the need of language analysis, linguistic and so on. So, I don't want to look the origin of Sanskrit, rather I look at the origin of Vedas and that will answer you question. Now, if you look at the origin of Vedas, what they are describing is not found in central Asia. There's no big ocean there for one thing. Even if you look at the flora fauna mentioned in the Vedic literature, is consistent with India and not found in the Central Asia or what we today call Middle East. To verify this, you can also refer to the book of Dr. B B Lal, the former director of Archaeological Survey of India. Wait for a few more years from now on, a huge research is going on History of Indian Science and Technology. In the context of this ongoing research, Vasant Shinde (former Vice Chairman of Deccan College) who is a member of this team has already wrote in his book regarding the proceedings that they've got human remains with DNA on Harappan site for the first time and they feel like for the first time a convincing case will be made on "who were the Harappans genetically". By the way, we have now other civilizations which are much older than these 5000 year civilizations, for eg, Birrhana in Haryana alongside Saraswati river basin, Keeladi in Madhya Pradesh etc. So just wait and watch. The game is ON now.
The word Hindu has come from 'brihaspati agamya' of the Rigveda (so old that at this time even Persians didn't know they are Persians) which says
"Himalyan samarabhya yawat indusarovaran
tan devnirmitan deshan hindustanan prachkshate" meaning Himalaya se Indu sarovar tak devnirmit desh ko Hindusthan kehte hain.
Similarly, in Madhavadigvijaya also, it's written
"Omkarmantramuladhya punarjanm dradhhashayru
gaubhakto bharatgarurhindurhirsan dushak"
meaning wo jo omkar ko ishwariya dhun maane, karmo (law of Karma and Reincarnation) par vishwas kare, gaupalak rahe aur buraiyo kko duur rakkhe, wo Hindu hai.
If Sanskrit had come from outside then why Tamil has borrowed so many vocabularies from itand why not the vice=versa? There're are thousands of words in Sanskrit which have no parallel words in Tamil. But don't cunningly try to conclude that I disrespect Tamil. Rather I must say Tamil is great language with great literary work and actually compliments Sanskrit.
First the Indians were told that there was no ancient Indian civilization other than Harappa and MohenjoDaro but now we have Keeladi, Rakhigarhi and Bhirrana dating more than 10000 years old. Who knows we might get excavation which dates back much older than Human origin of Africa. History is vast and nobody can tell from where it started bro. By the way not only the international universities, a few Indian university and that too south Indian university like Mysore University has given a very detailed genetic analysis which has out rightly rejected this false Aryan Dravidian theory created by Western Indologists. Some people have deliberately kept this concept of migration from Africa to represent the 'Dravidians' in order to show they are all together ehthnically different from 'Aryans' who came from Europe and Mid Asia through Khaibar ( a place in Afghanistan-Pakistan border).
But I must tell them that there is lot of contradictory "genetic" studies with speculations despite data collection. Data is there but conclusions are wrong or speculative. For instance, out of Africa genetic study concluded (speculated) that we all came from Africa including Europeans. This was a speculation because when u analyze out of Africa genetic studies, it says that root genes (R and M) of Europeans can be found only in India (Including south India) NOT in Africa. Then how can they speculate that the whole world came from Africa.There is also NO genes to connect the genetic pool in India and in Africa other than speculation that Indians migrated from Africa and genetic pool in Africa is ancient than Indian genetic descendants.
Of course, there are genetic studies funded by vested interests to push the idea of "new world order" which is nothing but dilution of majority cultures and identities around the world so that one world, one currency world is created and controlled by zionists. This is done to have everlasting control of food and money flow of the world. by few elite banking cartel called Rothschild family which is popularly known as "Illuminaiti" among Tamils.
India is the birth place of all so called races including African and Europeans. Refer to a human skull found in Narmada valley, Madhya pradesh. Carbon dating shows it to be more than 500,000 years old. I am sure current fabricated system of science talks just about monkeys and dinosaurs 200,000 years back. By the way there was NO white race before 3500 BC according to scandinavian genetic studies. All Europeans originated from hindu/vedic people who migrated to Europe before 4000 BC. Natural selection due to lack of sunlight and vitamin D in Europe and raw food habits led to skin color change and eye color change.
India is NOT given the status of origin of all people because of communist politics which has penetrated in science as well. Africa is half christian continent and it has no political clout like India. So, Africa was speculated to be origin of all races. Nice try
So, when u look at genetic studies you can't be selective and fall prey to speculations. And the funny thing is even the word dravida is not from Tamil but from Sanskrit. Problem with you self-claimed Dravidians (tamils, mallus, gultis (telugu) except kannadigas) is much deeper than what we see superficially. Many ideologies dravidians follow or brainwashed over the years go back to colonial times. Aryan/dravidian fake race theory is still believed by many (Including so called educated public). They also fool themselves (especially tamils) that tamil is older than sanskrit. What a joke. How can a kaliyuga language like Tamil can be older than language of 5 elements or panacha-mahabuthas. It is the reason why Sanskrit is called the divine language.
TO BE CONTINUED...Yes we are concerned about Caste System which was never meant to be by birth according to our scriptures and we are working hard to uproot this curse by introducing Vedic education in our vidyamandirs (although it's not on that scale which is needed) and now in IITs too after the recent announcement made by Prakash Javedkar (HRD minister) but why do you self claimed liberals feel chilly in your ass when you see Hindu Unity. huh?
By the way, I never saw you commenting on Caste System that is prevalent in Christianity and Islam, why? Don't you know there are exclusively mentioned Ajlaf Arzal & Arzal concept in Islam although they pretend to be united in the name of ummah? Don't you know after the death of Muhammad, the racial discrimination started among Muslims in the name of Quresh (the owner) and Ansars (the servants). Don't you know there are separate churches in America for blacks and now in states like Kerala and Tamil Nadu too for Dalits? You must be a hypocrite to say that you don't know there're full time Christian lobbies in India who are working for Christians of 'lower strata' to get Reservation as Dalits which clearly means that even converting into Christianity don't help them getting out of this social divide.
By the way, you Marxists and Muslims who talk so much about Caste System never want to talk about Ashraf ( Arabic word that means 'noble' which includes all undoubted descendants of foreigners and convert from high caste Hindus )and Ajlaf ( contemptuous Arabic term that means 'wreteches' or 'mean people' which include all other Mahomedans comprising the occupational groups and converts of lower ranks; they are also called Kamina or Itar, 'base' or Rasil, a corruption of Rizal, 'wothless').
In some places a third class , called Arzal or 'lowest of all', is added. With them no other Mahomedan would associate, and they are forbidden to enter the mosque, to use the public burial ground. Have anyone ever heard you self claimed secular and liberal intelletuals complain against discrimination against lower strata Muslims? Even if somebody would dare to speak against this, you leftists (whom I call professional mouners or 'Rudali' in desi bhasa) jump in to defend by saying it is their personal law safeguarded by the Constitution itself. I would say that unfortunately even our Constitution Makers didn't address all this discrimination in other communities while making the Constitution and therefore it has always a chance of ammendment.
Look this is an ideological revolution against Marxist interpretation of India's History and creating a counter grand narrative of sampurna Bharta based on logic and scientific evidences. We need to challenge their deliberate misinterpretation of History which says Maharana Pratap was a fanatic patriot ; Chhatrapati Shivaji looted Surat ; Sri Aurobindo Ghosh, Lokmanya Bal Gangadhar Tilak and Lala Lajpat Rai were extremist ; Chandrashekhar Aazad, Bhagat Singh, Suryasen, Bhagajatin, etc were all terrorists in a sense ; Guru Tej Bahadur Singh was creating dunes and dunes of weath ; Raja Surajamal Jatt was cerating law and order problem that the roads of Agra and Delhi became unsafe for business and trade ; 1857 was a sepoy mutiny, the whole Indian philosophical system is superstitious, oppressive and discriminatory to not only women and dalits but also against Nature, there was nothing like Saraswati river, Aryans who came with all the Knowledge system from Europe and Middle East drove the native Indians (Dravidians) towards South ; and many more. I mean how disgusting that we never challenge them to verify all these non-sense. The word Arya is related to Quality of life & not related to race. Woman in India call her husband as aryaputra.
Arya is an adjective. Calling somone Aryaputra is praising the parents who have given great 'samskaras' to the child. And coming to proofs, Aryan Dravidian Theory has been demolished by the Science of Gentics journals and the world has also started to recognize the same. Don't worry. Well somebody may be proud Tamilian but I'am proud Indian who respects everything part of Indian tradition. But do you self-claimed Dravidian people have any idea that almost 40% of Tamil words are from Sanskrit..for eg, both the words "Karuna" and "Nidhi" in the name Karuna Nidhi, the former CM of Tamil Nadu are from Sanskrit. Well, Tamil may be one of the oldest language in India but it simultaneously went on taking many words from Sanskrit too during the course of finding new words against newer experiences of that time.Even the concept of "SiddhaMedicine" had come from Aayurveda after it was extensively verified(even "Sidhha" is a Sanskrit word which means that which is proved). So Siddha Medicine has also been a part of our culture as a whole and not of exclusively yours. The Ramayna is one of many proofs of the historical fact that we are all one.
Look bro, the word "Dravid" (phoneticaly Travid in it's originality) was coined by Adi Shankara (Keralite) first to introduce himself as the son of 3 waterbodies (Bay of Bengal, Indian Ocean and Sindhu Sagar which is now known as Arabian Sea); but by travelling the length and breadth of Bharat( even the word "Bharat" was not new to him) and debating with all major traditional scholars of that time and establishing 4 "Mathas" in all the 4 corners of India, he showed his vision of sampurna Bharat as one cultural and spiritual integrity.
And Finally don't you try to build an impression that Buddhism is not originated from Dharmic Vedic philosophy and not a part of Sanatan Tradition. Nirvana, Vipasana, Rebirth, Karma, Sankya, Mimasa, etc are part and parcel of Hindus and Buddhists as well. But let me nail you once and for all on your cunning statement that Buddhism didn't flourish in India due to Hinduism which is not a true statement. Buddhism flourished in India for a thousand of years after Buddha until the arrival of Islam. In the 7th 8th and 9th century there were world renowned universities like Nalanada and Takshila having lot of Buddhism related literary work going on syncretically with Sanatan Tradition. The places like Nepal and Mayanmar which never got conquered, we see a lot of syncretic unified Hindu Buddhist thing that flourishes even today. There is a lot written about Hinduism-Buddhism syncretism and synthesis that flourishes for a long long period of time and we can go into why the arrival of Islam harmed Buddhists more than it harmed Hindus because Buddhism has to do being monastic and living in centralized places thus became easy targets, whereas Hindus were the householders. So the effect on the two was not the same. So you can't wish away the fact that until 7th 8th 9th century, Buddhism was fine in India and it's important to notice for a thousand of years.
Thank you, Avinash for your explanation. It is very instructive
Whom u are talking,, I mean nilesh Is saying Aryan Invasion is just a nonesense..!
मान्यवर 🙏 , आप कहते है कि जन्म से जाति नही होती और आप कहते है कि जातिव्यवस्था एक अभिशाप है । मान्यवर आज आप जो वेद का अध्ययन कर पा रहे है और संस्कृत भाषा का और उसकी व्याकरण का जो इन्ही परंपरा प्राप्त ब्राह्मणो के कारण यंहा तक पहुची है राज्यो की संचालन व्यव्स्था जो मनुस्मृति और अन्य दर्शन शास्त्रों से चलाई जाती थी जिनकी वजह से आज हम भारतीय जीवित है । और सबसे महत्वपूर्ण कौटिल्य जैसे पंडित ने भी ब्राह्मणो को विदेशी स्त्रियों से विवाह नही करने दिया क्यों नही करने दिया ? सिर्फ छत्रियो को ही मेट्रीमोनियल अलायंस क्यों बनाने दिए और जंहा जंहा राज्यो का विस्तार हुआ वँहा ब्राह्मणो ने सिर्फ अपना एक्स क्रोमोसोम ही दिया सिर्फ कुछ लोगो को ब्राह्मण विद्या में दीक्षित किआ ताकि कुलीनता को बानाया जा सके यही नियम था ।
" और सबसे मुख्य बिंदु तो यह कि बुद्धिस्तो ने भारत को बर्बाद किया है कौटिल्य की व्यवस्था को बर्बाद कर दिया और अगर वही परंपरा गत ब्राह्मण न होते तो शुंग , हेमू आदि जैसे वीर पैदा न होते ।। राजा दाहिर को एक मुस्लिम ने धोखा दिया और अभी तो पता चला है कि दाहिर को तो बुद्धिस्तो ने भी धोखा दिया था ।। यह अटल सत्य है भारत को बर्बाद बुध्धिस्त और अति दयालु मूर्ख और तुम्हारे जैसे अधूरे धर्म को जानने वाले के कारण हो रहा है।। अपने अकेले को धर्म का कुछ लोग द्योतक समझते है । पुरुषासुक्त एक सत्य है । वह वेद में लिखा है कह दो वह भी झूठ है फिर तुम किस आधार पर यह कहोगे हम सनातनी है।
अधजल गगरी छलकत जाए ।। शंकराचार्य न होते शुंग न होते तो यह रास्ट्र ही न होता ।। शंकराचार्य भी परम्परागत ब्राह्मण थे ।।
कुछ व्यवहारिकता का ज्ञान रखते हो आपके अंग्रेजी के ज्ञान को देखकर नही लगता ।। 🙏
Nilesh Sir, where to put the Indus Valley civilisation , it’s language , which could not be deciphered yet, in this context of Sanskrit based Indian civilisation. How these are related.
How does this channel have such low subscribers? This is crazy!! There are 1.3billion Indians and it’s mind boggling that most of the Indians have a colonized mind
thank u . though the traditional dates of ramayan goes back to 950,000 years ago but after all this time passed, finding archaeological evidence must be lot harder. i can understand that. thanks for ur efforts n u explained it brilliantly.
my other point is the terminology used in vedas. a/c to my tradition of arya samaj we don't see them as names (like shiva, ganesh or indra) we go by their sanksrit meanings as what bhav they describe. vedas are timeless n word of god. vedic traditional timeline goes back to 2 billion years.
i'll buy ur books n read them. once i again i thanks mr malhotra for his brilliant contribution. let's all of us donate to infinity foundation whatever we can. namaste
Different traditions is not a bad thing. Even Vichar-bhed, as long as they are based on logical and and empirical reality, it is welcome. Vichar-Bhed leads us to the growth of knowledge which is a good thing.
i am followers of rishidayand saraswati and and greatly apprrciate his book satyarth prakash.
Hinduism can be only be described using vedas and vedic way of life is far more peacefull than today. vedas has 100 of evidence to prove that it is not a book but a ancient knowlege right from the origin of human civilization.
The Indus Valley Civilisation and the historical Vedic civilisation are one and the same. The Rig Veda was written in the Indus Valley Civilisation. There was NO migration of Indo-Europeans into the Indus Valley. Indo-Aryans were always the indigenous people of the Indus Valley. There was never an 'Aryan invasion', because the Aryans have always been indigenous to Northern India (historically known as 'Aryavarta', which means 'Land of the Aryans' in Sanskrit) whereas the Dravidians have always been indigenous to Southern India (or an even more southern land) with the Vindhya Mountains separating Northern India from Southern India and therefore allowing two different language families to be born in India (Indo-European languages in Northern India and Dravidian languages in Southern India). Also, the Dravidians themselves claim in their ancient writings that they originate from a land that used to be even further south than present-day South India (which is called 'Kumari Kandam' in the Tamil language). Also, the Indus Valley Civilisation never mysteriously vanished - the Sarasvati River simply dried up thousands of years ago, causing the Aryans to migrate west to other lands (especially in Europe). Some Aryans also migrated east to live on the banks of the Ganges river. The Indus Valley Civilisation is over 10,000 years old. Northern India is the Proto-Indo-European homeland.
I strongly believe that there was a global Vedic empire in antiquity. Although Vedic culture today is associated only with India (because Vedic culture in its original form survives today only in India), Vedic culture used to exist worldwide. The ancient Vedic writings of India (especially the Puranas) describe human lineages and Vedic culture extending BILLIONS of years into the past and we have suppressed archaeological evidence in the form of human fossils and human artifacts which CONFIRMS this. There are various evidences for the existence of a global Vedic empire, one of which is the fact that the swastika symbol is found on pretty much every continent in the world (you can find swastikas in India, Europe and even Peru, for example). The Vedic writings of Ancient India (including the Puranas) describe Earth as a hollow planet and that Vedic civilisation exists in the Inner Earth World (also known as 'Agartha'). The Norwegian man Jens Jansen and his son Olaf Jansen sailed into the Inner Earth World in 1829 and met very tall people there. Olaf wrote a book about all of this called 'The Smoky God' and said that the people there spoke a type of Sanskrit - this vindicates the Puranas! You can read more about this here:
www.holloworbs.com/olaf_on_sanskrit.htm
There are various evidences for the existence of a global Vedic empire, one of which is the fact that the swastika symbol is found on pretty much every continent in the world (you can find swastikas in India, Europe and even Peru, for example).
Not only that, but a statue of the elephant-headed deity Ganesh was found in Queensland in Australia (here is a picture of it: i.4pcdn.org/pol/1507821664719.jpg ) and elephants are obviously not native to Australia. Aryans were all over the world in ancient times. There are MANY MORE examples like that which you can read about here:
www.veda.harekrsna.cz/connections/Worldwide.php
Not possible, homo sapiens didn't exist 950,000 years ago.
Swami Dayananda's Satyaarth Prakash says that humans were created near Lake Manasarovar in current Tibet.
Originated not created.
I like your explanations, specially while discussing the Precession of the Equinoxes, one of my favorite authors, Graham Hancock explains a lot of this work through the same mechanism and the stuff about 26K years per cycle. What do you think of his work?
Dear Nitin Oakji, I was watching some videos of controversial author Graham Hancock recently, when I came across the term 'younger dryas', a period of cooling that occurs between 12800 yrs before present(ie to ~10800 BCE) to 11600 yrs BP(~9600BCE), interrupting the deglaciation that started since 20000 yrs BP. These two points in time bracketing the younger dryas period also correspond to spikes in sea level rise rate. One of the hypothesized events for triggering the younger dryas is a comet or asteroid impact for which there exists some evidence. Mr. Hancock postulates that this impact plunged the planet into a nuclear winter like condition possibly decimating any previous civilization and with simultaneous rapid sea level rise leading to the various flood myths.
Since your proposed date for lord Ram's time and mahabharat occur before and after the younger dryas respectively, I was curious whether our scriptures mention any such chaotic, civilization altering event between lord ram's time and lord krishna's time. I had heard that there were some civilizational problems for several years which force rishi vedvyas to gather and compile the vedas.
Our scriptures do allude to such events and descriptions. However, the key is to define the chronology of key events and then also determine the chronology for such mentions/descriptions.
Nilesh sir, how do you mohanjadaro and harappa civilisation on your timeline? And can that city be identified with some city in mahabharata?
The Indus Valley Civilisation and the historical Vedic civilisation are one and the same. The Rig Veda was written in the Indus Valley Civilisation. There was NO migration of Indo-Europeans into the Indus Valley. Indo-Aryans were always the indigenous people of the Indus Valley. There was never an 'Aryan invasion', because the Aryans have always been indigenous to Northern India (historically known as 'Aryavarta', which means 'Land of the Aryans' in Sanskrit) whereas the Dravidians have always been indigenous to Southern India (or an even more southern land) with the Vindhya Mountains separating Northern India from Southern India and therefore allowing two different language families to be born in India (Indo-European languages in Northern India and Dravidian languages in Southern India). Also, the Dravidians themselves claim in their ancient writings that they originate from a land that used to be even further south than present-day South India (which is called 'Kumari Kandam' in the Tamil language). Also, the Indus Valley Civilisation never mysteriously vanished - the Sarasvati River simply dried up thousands of years ago, causing the Aryans to migrate west to other lands (especially in Europe). Some Aryans also migrated east to live on the banks of the Ganges river. The Indus Valley Civilisation is over 10,000 years old. Northern India is the Proto-Indo-European homeland.
I strongly believe that there was a global Vedic empire in antiquity. Although Vedic culture today is associated only with India (because Vedic culture in its original form survives today only in India), Vedic culture used to exist worldwide. The ancient Vedic writings of India (especially the Puranas) describe human lineages and Vedic culture extending BILLIONS of years into the past and we have suppressed archaeological evidence in the form of human fossils and human artifacts which CONFIRMS this. There are various evidences for the existence of a global Vedic empire, one of which is the fact that the swastika symbol is found on pretty much every continent in the world (you can find swastikas in India, Europe and even Peru, for example). The Vedic writings of Ancient India (including the Puranas) describe Earth as a hollow planet and that Vedic civilisation exists in the Inner Earth World (also known as 'Agartha'). The Norwegian man Jens Jansen and his son Olaf Jansen sailed into the Inner Earth World in 1829 and met very tall people there. Olaf wrote a book about all of this called 'The Smoky God' and said that the people there spoke a type of Sanskrit - this vindicates the Puranas! You can read more about this here:
www.holloworbs.com/olaf_on_sanskrit.htm
There are various evidences for the existence of a global Vedic empire, one of which is the fact that the swastika symbol is found on pretty much every continent in the world (you can find swastikas in India, Europe and even Peru, for example).
Not only that, but a statue of the elephant-headed deity Ganesh was found in Queensland in Australia (here is a picture of it: i.4pcdn.org/pol/1507821664719.jpg ) and elephants are obviously not native to Australia. Aryans were all over the world in ancient times. There are MANY MORE examples like that which you can read about here:
www.veda.harekrsna.cz/connections/Worldwide.php
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Sir my humble Request and eagerness to if any Work on timeline of Dashaavthara of vishnu as in Present AP state there place Where Narashima Avtar occured
I am quoting Samadhipaad 7 in my doctoral research too!
That is great. Do consider quoting even next two Sutras 8 & 9. You can also read Vaisheshika of Kanada for many scientific sutras.
You glossed over the linguistic arguments that motivate AMT. What are your thoughts about the Dravidian language family ? Also, what do you have to say about the changes in Vedic leading to Sanskrit and thereafter, Prakrits ? Did these changes have anything to do with contact with Dravidian ?
Vedic Sanskrit is a very special type of language, and not the same as the Classical Sanskrit, the language of the Kavyas. Obviously, such a highly sophisticated [refined, perfected] language could not have been used for common discourse, except amongst small groups for select purposes. But such groups seem to have existed all over the country, so that all our systems of knowledge all over the country have original works only in Sanskrit.
Prakrit refers to the language of the common people, for general day to day purposes. These developed in various parts of the country.
The expression "Dravidian" is unfortunate and incorrect. It is itself a Sanskrit word, and it is used to describe a language group which is supposed to be distinct from Sanskrit- do you see the irony?
The ancient Tamil Grammar work "Tolkaappiyam" refers to the central pure Tamil speaking land as that between Madurai and a little beyond the Cauvery area. This was surrounded by different kingdoms/areas which spoke Tamil but with a mixture of other languages. or dialects. Beyond this were areas which spoke yet different languages, such as Telugu, Kannada, Kodagu,, etc. So we have many prakrit languages, which later developed their own styles, in association with Sanskrit- as we can see even today the influence of Sanskrit in all Indian languages, including Tamil. But when some important discussion or discourse had to take place, they had to resort to Sanskrit. For instance, though the Buddha spoke in Pali, their standard works are in Sanskrit.
Sri Aurobindo has recorded how imperfect the so called discipline of linguistics is and how incorrect the inferences drawn from this imperfect base. He has also hinted at the possible connections between Sanskrit and ancient Tamil. [ This, called Sangam Tamil, is distinct from the current Tamil, is not spoken and cannot be understood without a dictionary.]
So, there was no distinct group of languages really known as "Dravidian". This was the label adopted by foreign Christian missionaries in Tamil Nadu to divide the people, in accordance with the colonial theory of Aryan Invasion.. This was propagated through the education system, which was controlled by the missionaries during the colonial period. AS that system still continues, the label has stuck. In the ancient Tamil literature, there is no reference Dravidian at all. The usage of the word arose after the European missionaries came.
For your information, the Sanskrit word "Dravida" was used to describe Brahmins from the South when they went to the North. According to ancient Indian tradition, the area South of the Vindhyas was called Pancha Dravida Desa and included areas speaking Marathi, Gujarathi, Kannada, Telugu and Tamil { Malayalam arose later]. Even today, you can find Brahmins with the surname Dravid in Maharashtra and Varanasi.
Super presentation. Absolutely agree with you.
निलेश सर, तुमचा हा video बघून खूप माहिती मिळाली तुम्ही जी तुमची पुस्तकं सांगितली ती मराठीत मिळतील का
By any chance does Nilesh Oak aligns with Graham Hancock ? It seems he tends towards a pre-Ice Age mother civilisation
Generic statements such as these are dangerous. They should not be made and no binary (yes/no) answers exist for such questions. My agreement with inferences of Graham Hancock is 'specific inference' based and only when I am convinced that it is based on evidence + after ensuring that Graham Hancock is not riding his inferences ahead of the available evidence.
But your date for the Rig Veda is earlier than 11000 years. You have made your Ramayana date before 11000 years. Therefore, you would necessarily put Rama in the pre - Ice Age scenario. In other words, the entire Harappan Civilization, no matter how old it is , is actually after Ramayana. However, Talageri considers Harappan civilisation to be during the Rig Veda. Isn't it ?
It is correct that Shri Talageri considers Harappan civilization to be during the Rig veda. That is correct based on his claims - estimates for the absolute chronology for Rigveda (3300 BCE -1400 BCE). One may read his original arguments (his 3rd book) for how he arrived at these estimates and one may read my works to comprehend why they are wrong.
Those who think of entire earth filled with ice cover and extremely cold temperatures throughout the world ---as soon as they hear the word 'ICE AGE' must do a lot of homework to understand what it meant, which geographical parts of the world were affected and in what way. When that accomplished, they will have no issues imagining comfortable conditions for living in many parts of the world during this 'ice age', including geography of India.
Nilesh what do you think of CK Raju's ideas of fabrication of greek heritage, then church ideology as foundation for modern proof based mathematics? Sorry the question is not exactly relevant to your work (which is just as fascinating) but I was curious about your viewpoints.
I find work of Prof. C K Raju fascinating and a must watch (videos) and a must read (books). for everyone and definitely for all Indians.
Wow you replied. I'm from the island formerly known as Ceylon, and when we got a chance to rename it, chose the oldest reference to it that could be found, Lanka. Its just that we didn't really know exactly how old! As you can see the Ramayana holds a special place for us, and therefore I'm fascinated by your work. Thanks for relighting a torch that once burned for millenia.
Correct explanation
ये सब र्याद हिन्दी में उपलब्ध हो तो ज्यादा उपयोगी और साधारण के लिए सुगम्य होगा ।
Sir , one question did u chronologically date VEDAS ??
Yes, check out my other videos (17K+ years of Indian civilization)
lol he thinks the Ramayana is 12,000 bc. Imagine how old he thinks the Vedas is
While doing your research on the dates and period of Ramayana, Mahabharata could you reliably compute the age of prominent figures like bhishma Krishna or Ram?
Most AMT proponents strongly use HORSE as evidence (written by Romila Thaper) to support their DOGMA. we need some rebuttal to that..
The horse dogma of AIT is as hollow as lingusitcs and archaeology and genetics. Multiple rebuttals of Horse claims of AIT exists. Google it.
Here is one by P. Priyadarshi. www.scribd.com/document/89252082/The-Horse-and-the-Indian-Aryans
Most AMT proponents use HORSE DOGMA. but never talk about the elephants
Romila Thapar is an idiot of highest order
Is it possible that the same planetary positions could have occurred prior to the dates you are mentioning?.
Where do I mention any planetary positions?
My doubt is In reference to the period of Mahabharata and Ramayana. I presume you have arrived at the period based on the astronomical references in the epics. My question was in reference to that.
Thanks. Please read my both books to understand how I arrived at 5561 BCE for Mahabharata and 12209 BCE for Ramayana.
Dude world is expanding, unvivers is in motion. Use logic
Nilesh Ji what if the Poetic descriptions of river saraswati is just an exaggeration in the rig veda ? because poets do that naturally. wouödnt that make rig veda to be bit later ?
Would you kindly quote few relevant passages about Sarasvati from Rigveda and then descibe which of them you consider as 'exaggerations'? Once you do it, I will able to meaningfully answer your question about Rigveda being 'bit later'. Of course, do let me know what is this 'bit later' per you and based on what evidence.
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there is a contradiction.another panelist in previous video said there was a flood around 10,000 yrs ago which solved the disappearance sarasvati river and dwarka.in this video your are saying mahabharat happened 6,000 bce?
Thank you for your comments.
There is no contradiction. However, one can indeed interpret what you have interpreted (you are referring to statement of Dr. Shiv Shastry). The river Sarasvati research is complex and I would encourage you to spend at least 10 years reading and comprehending with rapt attention everything that exists on river Sarasvati. In addition, look for my upcoming youtube videos.
The research and findings of individual papers must be interpreted with the findings of other research papers int eh context of when, but also where, why, how, etc. Only 'when' will not do and will surely lead to the confusion.
A massive blow to AITians. The critical mas(s) behind the dogmas has evaporated and what remains are the... well you know what. They do what they are best at... bark!!!
Did this seminar take place in TN?
Yes sir! This happened, not too long ago, in the heart of Dravidian politics.
Prabhu Raj
If u say so why can't such educated people can't stop missionaries to convert people to Christianity?
Keep in my the word HINDU is conspicuous by its absence from ALL VEDIC LITERATURE.
No but Sindhu is in Vedic literature and Hindu is the Avestan Persian cognate for Sindhu
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Ok. Bcos india and iran were part of one empire in many time spans in the past. It is only natural that these two geographic areas were in good contact both ethnically and culturally in the past. So there is no need of any invasion or migration at all.
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@Nilesh Oak what can be done to fix the falsification and setting the narrative in academia? Wouldn't people like you and others need to enter the system by doing PhDs and becoming professors? If you can't do it, we will need to make opportunities for others and fund research at universities?
This guy is camper than Diwali
Why is R1A haplogroup spread across Europe to North India ? Why no R1A in South India ?
Hindi language please sir
You said 'falsified'. I think you mean refuted. Falsified means someone created something they know to be fake. Refuted is when something is proven to be wrong
Read "Karl Popper" and 'Shad-darshanas'
Nilesh is perfectly correct to say falsified. It is sufficiently proven by the writings and correspondences of Max Muller, Macaulay and their ilk that the reason why pushed through AIT is to subjugate Bharatha population by showing that the sanatana culture was not native to the land
Very funny this is how people try to entertain others
Hindi me video banahiye
Simple thing
Those Europeans call themselves Aryans
Who are malechchhas for Aryas/Nobles/Bhartis.
No offence.
But u all westerners are referred as Malechchhas .
Imp note Malechchhas term far better than
Infidels
Qafir
non beleivers
Europeans don't call themselves Aryan. Are you living in 1939?
Babasaheb Ambedkar ka v dna test us se match karao aryo se v dalito ka dna test karwao sab similar milega
Nilesh-Ji, I would like to make 2 corrections and provide one comment:
(1) Matrilineal genetic structure is not the "X-Chromosome" but the "Mitochondrial DNA".
(2) The Patrilineal Y-Chromosome marker "R1a" haplogroup was not found in any of the skeletons from Rakhigarhi (Harappa Civilization 4600-3900 years before present or 2600-1900 BCE) which means that the "R1a" type of Y-haplogroup must have been introduced into the Indian Subcontinent after 1900 BCE (within the past 3900 years). "R1a" marker, which is rather common in North India today was not present in India during the Indus Valley Civilization and was most likely introduced into North India after 1900 BCE. This clearly shows that "R1a" DID NOT originate from India.
Finally, I would like to add that Dr. David Reich Lab's whole genome analysis confirms a mixing between Ancestral North Indian (ANI) and Ancestral South Indian (ASI) which occurred after 2000 BCE. This finding also independently predicted the lack of "R1a" marker found in the Rakhigari samples. All evidence point to the introduction of "R1a" into India from the Middle to Late Bronze Age Steppe groups of Central Asia. For detail, please consult with Dr. David Reich and Dr. Vagheesh M. Narsimhan and read the recent article "The Genomic Formation of South and Central Asia" by Dr. Vagheesh M. Narsimhan et.al., publisher on March 31, 2018.
Here is the latest on Rakhigarhi
www.caravanmagazine.in/vantage/indus-valley-genetic-contribution-steppes-rakhigarhi
Here is the lecture by Dr. David Reich.
czcams.com/video/fk2is4FqpiU/video.html
This data is strictly grounded on genetics (from modern and ancient humans) and carbon dating (of skeletons). It makes no implication about religion, language, culture, political system, or any other social aspect of civilization other than to state that there was a complete mixing between ANI and ASI (with a north to sough gradient) sometime after about 2000 BCE.
Here are my quick responses.
(1) You are right. I used X chromosome to keep it with familiar (matrilineal vs patrilineal) gene flow information.
(2) Not sure how many genetics papers you have read. The number is not important. R1a is a very old marker and present in all parts of India with most variation and deep antiquity.
(3) Have you been to Dr. Reich's lab? Have you discussed these with Dr. Reich or Dr. Vagheesh Narasimhan? Because I have.
You may want to read works of Dr. Shiv Shastry
Also consider reading my works - books, blog and watching 60+ youtube videos. Because Dr. Vagheesh has my books and he has told me that he plans on reading them. Do let me know your objective, brtual and rational criticism of my books (or blogs or videos) when you do read or watch them.
Warm regards,
Thank you for your kind reply. No sir, I have not met either Dr. Narsimhan nor Dr. Reich. The modern Indian whole genome sequence also predicts that the Steppe ancestry was introduced into the Indian Subcontinent about 2000 BCE. Since you have spoken with them in person, how do they explain the concurring absence of R1a in the Rakhighari skeletons or any other IVC skeletons? One final question, why couldn't the indigenous population of the Indian Subcontinent make cultural and technological advances without the later R1a input from Central Asia?
@@ajitakesakambali2388 How many Rakhikharhi Skeleton were Tested?have u seen previous Genetic Reports in which R1a is missing or very low among Some Groups of India?(maybe that skeleton belongs to those group of ppl)
And also Oldest Markers were Found in India.
the DNa matching Proved that Modern day haryana Population might be the Descendants of Rakhigarhi ppl...even Sharp Facial Structure of Skeleton resembles with modern Haryana and Punjab ppl.
Skelton's were also found in Sinauli...let see what report they will give in Future.
My dear people in our Hindus ,Jain we burn not bury commonaly so how r u going to find
SANSKRIT 3500 YRS OLD (1500bc) WHEN IT ENTERED IN INDIA, WHEREAS DRAVIDIAN WAS 4500 YRS OLD (2500 bc). A study published in today's Science magazine puts forward evidence that most Indo-european / Indo-Aryan languages including Sanskrit originated from a language spoken in Anatolia, part of modern Turkey, 8000 to 9500 years ago. The language spread and changed over the millennia and exists today in these different forms. Amazingly, Rigvedic Sanskrit was first recorded in inscriptions found not on the plains of India but in in what is now northern Syria. This also ruleout westward movement and Sanskrit entered india with Nomadic Aryans in 1500BC. Indus valley Dravidian language was there with very advanced civilization for 4500 years, that is 2000 years earlier to Sanskrit.
Between 1500 and 1350 BC, a dynasty called the Mitanni ruled over the upper Euphrates-Tigris basin, land that corresponds to what are now the countries of Syria, Iraq, and Turkey. The Mitannis spoke a language called Hurrian (Aryan?), unrelated to Sanskrit. However, each and every Mitanni king had a Sanskrit name and so did many of the local elites. Names include Purusa (meaning “man”), Tusratta (“having an attacking chariot”), Suvardata (“given by the heavens”), Indrota (“helped by Indra”) and Subandhu, a name that exists till today in India.
Sanskrit is a symbol of Indian slavery to Aryan invasion and reminds us Syrian nationalism and not Indian Nationalism. Only the Dravidian languages truely reflects Indian Nationalism!
According to sanskrit history only bramin men can learn speak and read sanskrit.. that means bramin ladies shoulnt talk in sanskrit so also nonbramin should not learn or speak or write in sanskrit.. so ladies and non bramins only spoke a dravidian language! That means the lingua franca of all Indians must be Dravidian language. Sanskrit is a perfected language and that means perfected from Dravidian? Linguistics proved that sanskrit has around 40 % substrate from dravidian. That also predate dravidian language as indian national language. Also Valmiki and Vyasa are nonbramin so they should not read or write in Sanskrit as per Manusmriti or varnashram dharma practice. They must have composed mahabharath and Ramayanam in Dravidian language which were translated into sanskrit later. Linguistic research needs open mind and evidence based. Even Ashokas inscriptions in 3rd century BC were not in sanskrit. Hindi itself is a language from 1600 AD and derived from persian, arabic, dravidian, National pride rest with Dravidian and nationalist must learn tamil and learn rich moral, governance, yoga, medicine and science in Tamil literature which are over 2000 years old. WAIMYAE VELLUM..TRUTH ONLY TRIUMP.
All Indians have dravidian mother as the aryan invaders came without their women...that's history..no warriors take their women to waterfront...as the nomadic barbarian aryans found the dravidian culture was so advanced with rich people they married dravidian women and settle down...that's why that's why the national language must be Tamil dravidian because it's the mother tongue. The dravidian spread across India and moved to west (Brahui people in AFGHAN THEIR LANGUAGE IS DRAVIDIAN), EAST TO BENGAL ( MOST BENGALI WORSHIP KALI SO ALSO TAMILS IN SOUTH) and bangladeshis look more of dravidian..and to south tamils zdx telugu, kannandigas and malayalees.. later several racial aas l mixture.. open your mind and widen your knowledge..
What a pot full of crap. Follow all videos & discussions by Swadeshi Indology & Infinite Foundation and educate yourself.
Moolbivasi outfit /Tamil nationalist
You are describing the Anatolian hypothesis which has been disproven in favour of the Ukrainian/Kurgan/Yamnya hypothesis
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Out of Africa is Theory so its Dogma
proven by genetics unlike your elephant headed god or flying monkey god or half lion god
ARYAN MIGRATION REAL ( ACCORDING TO TIG VEDA ARYAN INVASION OS TRUE) AND SANSKRIT WAS ANATOLIAN LANGUAGE BROUGHT BY ARYAN INVADERS WITHOUT SCRIPT..THEY BORROWED NAGARS/DRAVIDAS Nagari scrpt and named it devanagari...
www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-46616574
The most recent study on this subject, led by geneticist David Reich of Harvard University, was published in March 2018 and co-authored by 92 scholars from all over the world - many of them leading names in disciplines as diverse as genetics, history, archaeology and anthropology.
The study showed that there were two major migrations into India in the last 10,000 years.
The first one originated from the Zagros region in south-western Iran (which has the world's first evidence for goat domestication) and brought agriculturists, most likely herders, to India.
This would have been between 7,000 and 3,000BCE. These Zagrosian herders mixed with the earlier inhabitants of the subcontinent - the First Indians, descendants of the Out of Africa (OoA) migrants who had reached India around 65,000 years ago - and together, they went on to create the Harappan civilisation.
In the centuries after 2000 BCE came the second set of immigrants (the Aryans) from the Eurasian Steppe, probably from the region now known as Kazakhstan. They likely brought with them an early version of Sanskrit, mastery over horses and a range of new cultural practices such as sacrificial rituals, all of which formed the basis of early Hindu/Vedic culture. (A thousand years before, people from the Steppe had also moved into Europe, replacing and mixing with agriculturists there, spawning new cultures and spreading Indo-European languages).
Other genetic studies have brought to light more migrations into India, such as that of the speakers of Austro-Asiatic languages who came from south-eastern Asia.As I write in my book, the best way to understand the Indian population is to imagine it as a pizza, with the first Indians forming its base. Though the base of this rather irregular pizza is thin in some places and thick in others, it still serves as the support that the rest of the pizza is built upon because studies show that 50% to 65% of the genetic ancestry of Indians derives from the First Indians.
On top of the base comes the sauce that is spread over the pizza - the Harappans. And then come the toppings and the cheese - the Austro-Asiatic, Tibeto-Burman and Indo-European language speakers or Aryans, all of whom found their way into the subcontinent later.
To many in the Hindu right wing, these findings are unpalatable. They have been campaigning to change school curricula and remove any mention of Aryan immigration from textbooks. And on Twitter, several hugely popular right-wing "history" handles have long been attacking India's leading historians who have defended the theory of Aryan migrations and continue to do so.
Aryan is an English word. English speakers add 'n' on to the end of things to show belonging.
America = American
Avesta = Avestan
Bulgaria = Bulgarian
Arya = Aryan
Its not a hard concept to understand. Other English endings include 'ese' when talking about East Asia eg China = Chinese, Japan = Japanese.. although Sinhala = Sinhalese seems to be an anomaly.
I'm sure you don't refer to Italians as Italiano.. you probably call them Italian just like English speakers do.. so you're guilty of doing the same thing.
Basically you are saying that an English word (based on a Sanskrit/Iranian word) didn't exist in the Vedas or Classical Sanskrit literature! No shit Sherlock!
RIG VEDA PROVIDED EVIDENCE OF ARYAN INVASION . RIG VEDA WAS COMPILED IN ANATOLIAN LANGUAGE SANSKRIT AND BROUGHT TO INDIA BY ARYAN INVADERS. Rigvedic authors must be British or Prof Witzel clans !! Satyameva jayathae ! In the Vedic literature, Indra is a heroic god. In early religious texts, Indra plays a variety of roles. As king, he leads cattle raids against the dasas, or dasyus, native inhabitants of the lands over which his people range. He brings rain as god of the thunderbolt, and he is the great warrior who conquers the anti-gods (asuras). He also defeats innumerable human and superhuman enemies, most famously the dragon Vritra, a leader of the dasas and a demon of drought.
Mother DNA is same for most Indians (Dravidians). Only 17 % have aryan father DNA (Y CHROMOSOME).
We Indians are mixed race ( Dravidian mothers and father or Dravidian mother and aryan, arab, Persian, mongol, Greek father) some people forget about the past and move forward as proud bharatwasi.
nope it does not. tamil inathukey nee oru kevalam. vedic inferences are found in ettuthogai , puranaanooru , thirumanthiram , thirukkural and others..
I respect our epics. But don't like using epics as weapons to rule out the science. Aryan Invasion/migration is true
You understand neither epics nor science. Stick with your AIT.
😂😂😂U UNDERSTAND NOTHING THEN MY DEAR STICK WITH AIT THEN
I m sure U r in a state of mind that don't allow u to deny AIT
@@dhumketuthecomet6723 and you are in a state of mind that doesn't allow you to deny your mythology
aryan immigration is a fact. these people are clowns with poor research. simple people like prsent day punjabis came to india whose myths were enlarged into the mess of the puranas by dravidians.
the so called AIT brought by European only to falsely claim the achievements of Indic civilization because till 1800 those European did not do any productive in the world. When Rigved was composed that time Europeans were living in caves, that is their pain that's why they have invested in so called AIT.
S K
Even the AIT is just a THEORYYY!!!!!
It was NEVER A FACT!
And your lack of a sense of self identity is also a fact
If the presentation was less theatrical it would be more informative and have some significance. A bit Yanks-style arrogance and ignorance was not missing. We don't know to whom the presenter is directing his speech and what he wants to prove. Maybe he argues with people who know less than him. The main mistake is to take the current European history as given. I have mentioned already somewhere that, I think, Indian scholars feel a bit inferior towards Oxbridge/Harvard ‘scholars’ although those did not offer any new knowledge of Aryans. They never said who actually Aryans were and how they got their name, why the German and English have Sanskrit words although the time distance is more than 3000 years. For me they are BS scholars who continue the imperial politics for previous colonial rulers who committed the genocide by starving people in India. Indians scholars are defensive and in discussions about Aryans always fall back to fighting racism and Hitler’s theories and do not give any specifics.
Because, let me be less abstract and present some specifics:
I do repeat that English, German, Greeks and Romans have nothing to do with Aryans. Their languages also do not have anything with Sanskrit, the time distance was almost 3-3500 years (English and German) and everything had happened before Greeks and Romans appeared in the history.
Indo-European language does not exist. This is Serbian language. Aryans are Serbs who in three occasions (about 4000, 3400 and 2400 years ago) invaded/migrated to India led respectively by three Serbian rulers - Nino Belov (Biblical Nimrod, founder of Babylon/Baghdad -> search Google: ‘Serbian arms Baghdad museum’), Serbo Makaridov (also mentioned in the Bible) and Alexander (i.e. Lesander) Macedonian the Great (he is NOT Greek!). The last invasion was not called Aryans but he followed the steps of his predecessors, passing Persia (because Aryans in Iran). Aryans got name from Arion, who was a Serbian god, protector of hunters. Nimrod was mentioned in the Bible as 'gigantic hunter'. Serbs are European indigenous people (like Australian Aborigines or American ‘Indians’ with almost the same destiny, subjected to genocide). Serbian alphabet is 6000 years old, the language is much older (older than Latin, Greek and Hebrew), English and German languages are 800 and 600 years old!!! Serbs lived Europe-wide between Baltic, Atlantic, Black Sea, Mediterranean, Asia Minor, northern Africa, Crete (Mino dynasty is Serbian!).
For proponents that Sanskrit came from India - how Sanskrit could influence every corner of Serbian language? Who brought Sanskrit to Europe, where are descendants or any evidence or toponym? What is the connection between Sanskrit and German language, for e,g. What does it mean STAN (Serbian word) in Pakistan, Hindustan, Rajasthan, Kurdistan, Afghanistan, Kazakhstan, Baluchistan, etc? How Baluchistan got its name? Swastika (symbol of rising sun) is a Serbian symbol from more 6-7000 years ago (see Internet - Vinca symbols). Varuna was a Serbian God in this period, Priya was a Serbian goddess. All Slavic (this is artificial term invented in the 4th century) languages and nations evolved from Serbian roots. Seventy % of Germans are of Serbian origin. Etruscans are Serbs who established Rome. Troya (Ilion - Ilya, the chief Serbian God) was Serbian town. Old name for Sinai is Serbal, Moses received commandments from God on Serbian mountain peak. Greek historian Herodot wrote (500 BC) that Serbs are the largest nation in the world after Indians.
Official version that Slavs (i.e. Serbians) came to Balkan in 7th century from nowhere is a historical lie without any supporting evidence. This is a ROOT cause of all this confusion and wrong conclusions. There are many IDENTICAL words between modern Serbian and Sanskrit, some researchers assert - 40% are identical (see below). In India there are hundreds of Serbian toponyms with same names as rivers and mountains in Serbia. There are Aryan descendants in India who still speak Serbian language. Etc, etc, etc…
The following are some (in English) words which are identical in modern Serbian language and Sanskrit:
Garden, fire, laughing, love, inflame, crazy, town, force, spark, sweet, sword, hellebore, cross, dark, spook, bell, learn, skin, mare, espouse, strike, chimney, when, who are you, whoredom, grandmother, grandfather, mother, father, world, dog, mouth, guest, mane, breading, belvedere, alive, then, supreme, traveller, friend, to sit, dead, by itself, give, door, virgin, cold, jungle, cloths, hide, light, bracelet, fuck…
There are many words which are almost identical. For example, almost identical, more complicated, but single words are for: husband’s mother, husband’s brother’s wife, wife’s sister’s husband, wife’s brother’s wife, husband’s sister’s husband, etc. Is this coincidence?
World history must be written again. I am coming with good will, without intention to denigrate Indian civilisation and culture. This is our common history, we may have the same ancestors. Let research and promote this history and civilisation. European history is falsified, Vatican and 19th century German scholars had key roles. I believe that Indian scholars and ordinary people would be happy and would feel more comfortable to have a dialog knowing that Aryans are actually linked to friendly Serbian people who also, as Indians, were subjected many times to genocides in their history and they do not have intentions to propagate imperial or racist policies.
I know many from Serbia and am aware of India-Serbia connection. Why don't you produce an article or presentation (smug and arrogant would be fine, but not ignorant) illustrating the long list of similarities.
As to who moved from where and when (I bet they Serbians and Indians moved in both directions towards each other) can be decided by hard scientific evidence.
On the point that there is so much for Seribians and Indians to share, I am in agreement with you.
I also agree that world history must be written again. You may enjoy becoming familiar with 'Itihas' which includes History but is much much broader than limited concept of 'history'.
Cheers!
If you are looking for 'more' theatrical presentation of mine, it is here (only as an illustration since there are 30+ presentations and it is hard for me to decide which takes the cake when it comes to theatrics).
czcams.com/video/3tsyzrDg2n4/video.html
You write, "Maybe he argues with people who know less than him. "
This is very likely since so far I have won the debates I have participated in. And it is no fun.
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I sincerely invite you to have an open, on camera, uncut, unedited debate with you at a place and time of mutual choice when our circumstances enable it.
As Sir Karl Popper said, "I could be wrong and you could be right and we may reach the truth, together, if we communicate - brutally and rationally".
Warm regards,
Nilesh Oak
[PS. I do look forward to your contribution regarding commonalities (words, cultural aspect, etc) between Serbian and Indian languages and cultural aspects.]
Thanks for your reply, Nilesh,
As soon as I posted my comment I realised that (apart from the factual things) my objections were unnecessary, useless and counterproductive. It wasn’t my intention to get involved in a pissing completion when much more important things need to be done. I withdraw everything what I said what was not in line with the main topic.
I acknowledge that you have a great knowledge about these topics especially from the India’s side perspective. I think that the key factor for all misunderstandings (academic and other) is falsified European history, especially from the ancient past up to the 10th century AC. Not only India’s than the most European scholars are involved in a pointless discussions based on false premises, accepting this history as given. Because, in spite of enormous amount of produced literature during many decades about Indo-European relationship, they did not come one step closer to discover who were these mysterious ‘Indo-European’ people who spoke ‘Indo-European’ language, what’s happened with them and their language in later history, who was their ruler, did they have a state or they were nomads, etc. I think there was an intention to maintain such discussions but to keep the real truth hidden. Why? Their proponents did not have anything common with Aryans although they would like to have. They would like to continue reiterating a racial perspective while verbally fighting against the racism. We could see this from English colonial rulers in India who presented themselves as Aryan successors to justify their presence and exploiting India’s resources.
Another distraction was a Hitler’s making and exploitation of Aryan’s ‘superman ’ myths. He was only for 12 years in power but his legacy remained as a negative connotation related to everything associated with so-called Aryans and their voyages to the East. This distracted any serious research attempt to establish reliable historical facts about this.
Well, to make this shorter, I believe that India has enough scientific and other resources to take leadership and initiate entirely a new discussion perspective on European and Indian ancient past. The starting moment is to be recognised that Serbs are European indigenous people what was already confirmed archeologically (Lepenski vir, Vinca), genetically (their R1a1 gen is 12000 years old), culturally (alphabet is 6000 years old and their calendar started 5508 BC). After that, step-by-step, we will come to the so called Aryan periods and there is nothing there that refers to the racism. Some will be disappointed that Aryans are not German or English ancestors, but the fact is that their languages were formed in 12th and 14th century AC, i.e. more than 3000 years after Sanskrit. Unfortunately, the current situation in Serbia is very bad, with a puppet regime and corrupted intelligence, with many suppressed truths and falsified history, what means that their contribution to all previous mentioned would be close to zero.
I currently do not live in Serbia and I may contact you offline to discuss some of previous topics. I would like, as you said, to produce some articles where I can present some new findings and I would like to publish them in India rather than in Europe or US. I may ask you for an advice about appropriate paper or magazine which would be interested to publish such findings. I believe that would be the first time in India that someone specifically announced that Indo-Europeans are ancient Serbs and that Indo-European language is Serbian language. I’ve already found that it is a great surprise for many in India. I expect all the best from this, at the worst, we can only find out that we are distant cousins .
All the best, stay tuned.
Milan,
Here is on Croatia-India connection. Again, I am confident you are familar with it.
www.sutrajournal.com/sanskrit-in-croatia-from-sarasvati-to-hrvati-by-james-cooper
Utter nonsense . There is a clear cut difference between north and south Indians. Why bluffing ourselves. We are mixed race.
😂😂😂😂 DO YOU EVER LISTEN TO YOUR WORDS AND FOUND OUT HOW FOOLISH YOU SOUND
@Indra Indian: You are right. There is a wide difference between north and south Indians in every aspect of Religion, Culture, Food and Art. Tamils are not mixed race though. In fact Tamil is the only pure race in India. There could be a few mixings happened in the recent times. But for a large part, Tamil Race is a pure race!
The pre-aryan population were a mix of Iranian hunter gatherer and ancestral south asians who were similar to the Andaman islanders
all indians today have south indian genes (ASI) and north indian genes ( ANI ) from 13,000 years ago. do some basic research.
Lol mr Indra Do you have any proper research for claiming this ? Or just shooting in air ?
Caspian steppes EURASIA - Iran ( land of Aryans )- migration / invasion to India started around 1500 - 2000 bc- Indian aryans ( 4 varn ) - Manu smriti - Brahman Vadi Manu Vad ( HINDU)
Aryans invaded India with iron swords riding HORSES And destroyed Indus Valley civilisation .. mool NIVASI became slaves and politically weak ...some ran to jungles ( ST) and who stayed around aryans were classed shudras (SC OBC)...
HINDU is not a religion .. this name was hijaked by manuvadi to validate them selves as Indians ...
Hindu is a regional identity not a religion modern HINDU term should be renamed MANUVAD ..
SC ST OBC ( tribals and Dalits ) are lost people of INDUS VALLEY CIVILZATION .. ARIANS came and destroyed with there iron swords and that was end of Bronze Age in India and arians or Aryans created class for there new village civilization as they didint like urban Indus Valley cities... Brahmans like Manu Maharaj is creator of new Hindu we see today .. they are all followers of Brahman supremacy system now called HINDUSM ..
And attack of later Mughals in India is Arab arians attacking Indian arians . ...as all Arab world is mostly Arian race and they are very aware of this fact also all of Europe as well ....they are all arians
What did you smoke?.
Poorn Nyay 😂😂😂😂 this is a bunch of none sense!
They didn't invade with iron swords. It was the late bronze age. Iron age was later