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There's also a saying In baseball " if you're not cheating you ain't trying" meaning every team does this in some capacity, it's as old as the game. There's not 1 team that can say they're not trying to get every advantage they can and if say they're not trying to get an advantage they are lying! You just can't use any technology to steal signs like the Red Sucks and Asstros did.
@@blackjacktrial..lol..yeah and football has how many? A special team coach, an offensive line coach defensive line coach offensive coordinator defensive coordinator..etc..lol that was funny
@@Charlies_Factory awww did you have to edit your idiocy away? 🤣 Try better next time you want to troll, don't care if your gonna troll but at least put some effort in ffs
I remember it vividly and he 100% stared at the dugout because they were chirping during his at bat and he didn’t like it. I challenge you to find a single other instance in his entire career where he looked over like that right before the pitch. Trust me, you won’t find one.
@@noahsomething7428 No, his own team was chirping at the umpire while they were winning 6 to nothing and it annoyed him. He even said as much after the game. Said he took some guys aside and “said a couple things”.
@@001bronze because if you drop one rule because everyone is ignoring it you show every player and team that if enough people ignore a rule it will be dropped. Want to use sticky stuff to get better grip? Just get other teams to do it too. Want to start running without even being allowed to? Just get other teams to do it too.
The thing with baseball is a lot of rules are only enforce if the other team asks for it. Take a runner on third. No outs. Next pitch is popped up. Runner leaves early before it's caught and scores. The umpire will see it but won't say anything. The run scores and counts unless the other team appeals the play. Only then will the runner be out and the run taken off the board.
@@brandonfrancey5592 I admittedly do not watch MLB, but I can't imagine any team allowing a run to count if the baserunner didn't tag up on a fly ball. I suppose they might not say anything if they want the same advantage, but I just can't imagine arbitrarily enforcing that rule.
@@PhilW7670 not really allowing them to score but if no opposing coach sees it but an umpire does the ump won’t say anything. But when the opposing team says something the ump will pretty much say “yeah you’re right I saw it too”.
@@PhilW7670 A team wouldn't intentionally allow a run to score, it falls under the other team not paying attention. Its incredibly rare for a player to leave a bag early and get away with it, but it can happen.
Yeah, there’s the box for a REASON. It’s like the traveling rule in basketball. The umpires and referees should enforce the rules consistently. Or you get THIS.
When I was coaching 16U, I would nervously pace the first base line when my son was up. One game, he gets a triple with a nice slide into third. A photographer then yelled to me that if I had stayed in the box, he would have gotten the shot. I honestly felt bad for both of us.
@@BMB1105 Everybody knew Nolan Ryan was gonna throw a fastball and that Mariano Rivera was gonna throw the cutter. Batters still struck out. If your good enough, it shouldn’t matter
Well, that would imply the other person being extremely fat... it's irony, in a putdown. Guess you're just too low on the IQ spectrum to understand the multi layered burn.
They don't have to cheat. And stealing signs is not cheating. I've been a big baseball fan for 60 years. Everyone knows the coaches are "supposed" to stay in the box, but everyone accepts the fact that coaches never do. So it's not enforced because everyone benefits from it not being enforced. The Jays got burned and started crying about it. The solution is for the pitcher not to show what he's goung to throw. It's the pitchers fault. And the Jays stomped their feet and said, "not fair" Like a child.
You make it sound as if only the Yankees are doing it. As the video makes clear, *everyone* does it, but heretofore the umps didn’t really enforce the rule. Either get rid of the rule or enforce it, equally.
@@markdaniels7174 I did not make it sound like only the Yankees are doing it. I said, "it's not enforced because everyone benefits from it not being enforced". The rule is there so when a coach is abusing the rule and using it for something other than what is considered acceptable, the coach can be punished. Toronto tried to use the rule against the Yankees for doing something that harmed the Jays, but was perfectly acceptable behavior. Reading a flaw in the pitchers delivery. As I said, it was the pitchers error, not the Yankee coach.
I remember Rene Lachemann in 1998 he was the third base coach for the Cardinals. When McGwire came up with no one on he would stand like 30 feet outside the box. I don't blame him one bit.
If the rule exists, it should be enforced. If you don't want to enforce it, get rid of the rule. Idc either way if it's legal or illegal, just enforce the rules or get rid of them
@@robg8203 If you started a league, what rules would you have? Or which ones would you change? There are a lot of different rule sets now, tee ball, little league, NFHS, NCAA, MLB, etc, adding a new set should be no big deal.
@@bobh6728 In-field fly ball since I hit a nuke and it was bases loaded and the dude dropped it like bro lol. i’m obviously jk this was high school btw
Why would the batter get credit? It's the batter's own coach that is misbehaving. I say: if the coach comes in contact with a ball in play (including a foul ball that hasn't passed the base and could thus potentially drift fair), and they're NOT in the box, then it's treated as interference and ruled adversely against the batting side.
Actually some player's hit the so hard that the box puts a 50 60 year old man in danger of getting hit by a batted ball. That said they should be in the box if they are going to steal signs
Yes, I think coaches need to stay in the box if for no other reason then to prevent them from seeing the pitchers grip etc..as was clearly demonstrated in your video
@@mcgritty8842 I get why you’d want a coach at 3rd base, so they can tell a runner to hold up, slide or continue running home. Very difficult to see what’s going on behind you while you’re running full tilt etc, but a first base coach is unnecessary in my opinion. They just need to be more strict with enforcing the rule to stay within the chalked box.
As someone who watches baseball occasionally but didn't grow up with it played in my country, it's insane to me that "base coaches" are even a thing. (Likewise coaches telling quarterbacks what to do play by play). These are professional athletes. Let them play the damn sport without micromanaging them.
They’re there to tell the runners whether to advance or stop where they’re at and if they need to slide or if they can stay standing, etc. Cuz it’s kinda hard to try to see the ball behind you and run to the base in front of you.
If you think QB’s should be calling every play in 2024 you are completely ignorant regarding football. I don’t even know where to start with this take, it would take hours to list the reasons why this is ridiculous.
@@MrDeath5300 agreed. It's an ability to cheat. Uphold it 💯% of the time, not just in high profile games. Like my argument a moment ago in another thread, the wrong teams may have made it to this point for this particular reason...
I played baseball for most of my life. Was a pitcher at the college level before getting hurt. I NEVER gripped my "pitch" _in the stretch_ behind my back. I'd just grip it in a 4-seam in case I had to throw to 1st (pick-off) & when I came "set", I'd adjust my grip _in my glove_ so no one would see my *real* grip. I thought every pitcher knew that? 🤷♂️
It used to be called back in the day. I can't remember the Yankees coach that got thrown out might have been Billy Martin. But he was standing out the coach's box and he went ballistic when he was penalized.
Really? have you ever seen an umpire enforce the catches balk? Another part of the game that's been removed under the auspices of speeding up the game.
I don’t know I’m tall and lean. There are guys that are like 5’8 and they just look fat to me like Josh Naylor So some of these guys might actually way less than me but I call them fat Also since the jerseys are tucked into the pants sometimes it’s hard to say exactly what they look like. I thought Verdugo was pretty fat because he has a fat face
@@MrWesleyton bro, if the jays are saying u have to be in the box then they should stick to their guns and follow the same rule. U can’t argue that he wasn’t in the box, he wasn’t. I’m a tigers/mariners fan so I got no dog in the fight, it’s just logic. Not to mention, the only thing u showed with ur comment is ur clearly a jays fan, otherwise u would be seeing the same thing everyone else does, a team getting mad about someone not following the rules then breaking the exact same rule. The guy I replied to never said they were standing in the same place, he said they were doing the same thing, as I’m not standing in the box
I use to complain about this in my son's Summer College league. There were former MLB players coaching in this league doing the same thing. My son was pitching so I told him to use a random grip before going to the glove. It worked, they don't know what's coming if the pitcher doesn't get the grip until he goes to the glove.
I would use this to my advantage, like you said too. You wanna stand back there? Hit ‘em with the ole razzledazzle finger switch every pitch. Yep, this next ones for SURE is going to be a split seam fastball, SIKE change up 😂
The coaching boxes were invented in the 1890s because the coaches were running back and forth between their base and home plate while yelling belligerently at the pitcher. The owners wanted to make the game more family-friendly, so they invented the coaching boxes.
The funny part was judge claiming he was trying to get the dugout to stop chirping and thats totally why he looked over there... Sure buddy. Sounded as honest as Gerritt Cole about the sticky stuff
Hide your pitches better. As long as you don’t bring wires or a battery into it, sign stealing is part of the game. Change your grip when you come set, there’s a reason you have a solid webbed glove as a pitcher
Lmao reminds me of fundie Christians saying everything is pornography when their own holy book is filled to the brim with incest, child abuse, murder, r@pe, onanism,… etc etc, I could go on.
@@jeremiahbachmann3901I mean you can do it to prove a point or even provoke the other team. I don't understand you people who think you should play by the rules if your opponent is blatantly not. 😂 If the coach is stealing pitches then for damn sure I'd be doing the same, taste of your own medicine.
If you're going to enforce that rule fine, it is in the book, then when the next bat flip occurs, eject the hitter for throwing the bat, it's an out, all base runners return to the base they occupied when the ball was hit. On a personal note, I really do believe you need to stop the bat flips before it gets out of hand. Who knows what these guys will come up with and then try to stop it. I've worked the plate up through men's summer league games. You get hit with a flying bat, it is painful.
When Frank Howard was playing for the Washington Senators back in the 60s and early 70s, routinely, the third base coach would not stand in the box. He was too afraid of a Hondo line drive hitting him.
@@markrobert6014 1. The jays pitcher even said he was tipping. 2. So long as it isn’t technology based every single team will respect it even if they’ll also equally try to end it immediately. 3. The whole point of the initial argument is if they think the “cheating” is the coach being out of the box you damn sure need to be in the box yourself…
Pitcher can’t change his grip inside the glove? It could be used both ways, Go ahead look, and hope I’m still on the seam when I wind up. Hell, I’d Candiotti the ball until I wound up if I knew a coach would look
@@WilliamSt.Clair1399the reason why the jays did it is so the umpire would actually do something about it. If the jays didnt do anything the yankees would have done the same thing next inning.
😂😂😂😂 its like black people calling each other ni__a which is pretty dumb to me never understood that. Guys can call each other bitch and cunt but not to women which is cool I get that. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
We played Chinese Taipei for JWS, their first base coach stood inches off the foul line stealing our signals. I brought it to the chief umps attention and he did nothing.
Its obviously teams trying to gain any advantage they can. The history of cheating in baseball is 10x deeper than any other sport, except maybe motorsports. A big part of the reason i love baseball so much is people seem to care about players breaking the unwritten rules than actually cheating by breaking the actual rules. Such a funny sport😂
What’s even funnier is people only seem to care about certain ways that people cheat, and also who and what team is doing the cheating. Like people don’t really care that much if you cheat this way, but if you cheat that way, then all hell breaks loose and that player should be banned from baseball. Makes no damned sense lol cheating is cheating. Either enforce it and care about it the same way, or, let players cheat anyway they want. There is wayyyy too much of a grey area in baseball and I think it’s one of the reasons why it’s so damned hard for new fans to try and watch and enjoy baseball. Half the rules make no sense, and the other half are “unwritten” rules that arnt even technically rules!
@@djLagwayEnjoyer so if someone rubs sweat on a ball and in another scenario another team sent drum signals to steal signs, effectively ruining the game, people should have the same opinions about both?
@@djLagwayEnjoyer it is the same in Motorsport. If the other teams are cheating it is a travesty and they need to be severely punished. If your team is cheating, they are brilliant and the other teams need to be smarter. It is just how things go.
So the question is less, should they stay in the box, and more should the box even exist? I'll be honest here and state I don't watch baseball, and I'm fairly ignorant of most of the rules. That said, if a rule exists on the books it should be followed and enforced. If it doesn't make sense, it should be rewritten until it does, or removed. It makes sense to limit where the 3rd base coach can be, as evidenced by this video. Giving them free reign of the field give the batting team an advantage.
Nah my dad does the same shit… stands at the end of the dugout yelling out what pitch is coming.. works way easier in softball as the pitcher gets her grip in front with the glove open to third.. baseball is a little harder since you come set and can adjust your grip there where it’s mostly closed off to the corners
In baseball it's a long time tradition to steel signs from the catcher. The Houston Astros got away with with a camera in center field and won two world series😮
Base coaches aren’t allowed to be on the field or come in contact with runners either, but the walk right up to their players cross the chalk and touch their players all the time. Never is enforced.
It has to be enforced. Otherwise coaches can stand pretty much anywhere. Baseball is so stupid. Cheating and call stealing is rampant yet those involved get so upset over an infraction around one of the myriad of unwritten rules.
Sport killed itself with this. Watch the World Baseball Classic... the crowds and teams are having a great time.... singing, dancing... Then ya watch the MLB games and its like watching paint dry and theres zero enjoyment. Unwritten rules dont allow the players to have fun... if they do have fun, theyre pegged by a 100 mph fastball between the numbers.
@@nicklazzaro5055 You OBVIOUSLY don't know baseball and you are showing it . Games because the league realized the that the game needed speeding up . AND THE DID SOMETHING THAT WORKED . Go watch some China supporters Basketball ...
@@johnb2905 nothing you just said even made a bit of sense John. But thanks for your input. I played DII college baseball. Im sure i dont know anything at all.
@@nicklazzaro5055 The pitch clock has cut game time a lot and the game action is much faster, game times much shorter. I have watched several games this season and it's refreshing to not see batters adjusting all of their pads and gloves between each pitch, or a pitcher staring until a batter steps out. If MLB would just enforce the coaches box or enlarge it this kind of BS would disappear. I am really curious to see how the automatic umpire(balls and strikes) would work.
This is like the foot fault rule in tennis. You technically aren’t allowed to put your foot on the baseline when serving but it’s hardly ever enforced which is super annoying for players when it randomly gets enforced and they lose the serve
@@blickedxbno actually. Its just such a shit sport. I remember (hardly) one time my dad took me and my older brother to see a diamondbacks game (from Arizona)i dont remember any of that shit i think we left early. God its so boring
5.03 Base Coaches (a) The team at bat shall station two base coaches on the field during its time at bat, one near first base and one near third base. (b) Base coaches shall be limited to two in number and shall be in team uniform. (c) Base coaches must remain within the coach’s box consistent with this Rule, except that a coach who has a play at his base may leave the coach’s box to signal the player to slide, advance or return to a base if the coach does not interfere with the play in any manner. Other than exchanging equipment, all base coaches shall refrain from physically touching base runners, especially when signs are being given. PENALTY: If a coach has positioned himself closer to home plate than the coach’s box or closer to fair territory than the coach’s box before a batted ball passes the coach, the umpire shall, upon complaint by the opposing manager, strictly enforce the rule. The umpire shall warn the coach and instruct him to return to the box. If the coach does not return to the box he shall be removed from the game. In addition, coaches who violate this Rule may be subject to discipline by the League President.
@@coleswanginshenanigans867 well that's why the box is there. So that the coaches don't have as great of a view of the pitchers grip or catchers call Using tipped information on pitches is different than trying to see signs
@@E_alvarad0 trying to see signs isn’t illegal either. That’s the whole reason they use sequences. And the pitcher should never grip his pitch behind his back anyway. That itself is a tip
@@ezragatton5431 trying to steal signs isn't illegal if even batters on 2nd are tipping to the hitter. A coach could solely focus on tipping pitches if he has an advantage of an angle. That's what the boxes are for But if a player is grabbing signs and tipping them you better believe someone on the team is getting a fast ball high and tight
Basketball has become the worst for ignoring rules. Traveling, double dribble, palming. When's the last time you've seen any of those violations called? I bet some younger folks on here haven't even heard of those violations.
Well.. whenever I had a team complain about it I reminded the coach under my breath: "If you want me to enforce it on them, I will have to enforce it on your team as well. Do you really want this? Yes or No?"
@@Kevinschart While watching games sometimes a runner comes around 2nd and doesn't see the 3rd base coaches signs, I have to think if the coach stayed in the box instead of getting all excited and animated drifting too far out of it they would more easily see him....lol!
In or out, just make sure both teams are enforced equally. Fairness. The easiest way to make sure that happens is to follow the rules as written, so in. It was really f’n stupid of the Jays to call out the Yankees about being out of the box then turn right around and do the same damn thing. Genius strategy guys. 🙄🙄🤦♂️
Yes! It should be enforced every single game. If a batter is standing far back in the batter's box and swings and smashes the catcher on the helmet, that is illegal too. What also should be illegal is that a pitcher should always have a designated hitter other than themselves at bat during that particular game that they are pitching in. When the Los Angeles Dodgers' Ohtani will actually be able to pitch in 2025, during any game that Ohtani is pitching, he should NOT be able to hit that game as well because of the designated hitter rule. Make sense.
Im in agreement that i forgot the box even existed. It seems like a legitimate rule for a legitimate reason. I'm for enforcement of it. If not, abolish it. So long as its there it should be universal enforced
@@paulkarp958 I havent watched in years. Havent been to a game in probably over 15yrs. Im just saying if the rule is ignored most of the time, it should be gone. I'm all for enforcement of it, seems like a very logical fix to potential cheating. Though.. if you're not cheating, you're not trying. I do still watch all the patriots games lol
I forget that box exists 95% of the time
Same
I didn't even know what it was for
Same
Same
It doesn’t exist, neither does baseball. It’s all fake.
Either don’t make it a rule or enforce the rules you have. It's that simple.
Kind of how our country runs
Certain rules have no effect on the flow or outcome of the game until one party attempts to exploit them.
Trump says what 😂😂😂
Kinda sounds like our government. No double standards
Just takes one person to ruin it for every one else.
Whoever wrote the line, “there’s no crying in baseball” obviously never watched a mlb game
Exactly!! 😂
A game with Boone anyway.
Facts. There’s actually tons of crying in baseball
There’s a lot of whining in every professional sport, but having rules that are only sometimes implemented is goofy af.
There's also a saying In baseball " if you're not cheating you ain't trying" meaning every team does this in some capacity, it's as old as the game. There's not 1 team that can say they're not trying to get every advantage they can and if say they're not trying to get an advantage they are lying! You just can't use any technology to steal signs like the Red Sucks and Asstros did.
YES. Enforce it for every team and every game.
No. But because we should get rid of them, and make the baserunners make the decision. Too many damn coaches in baseball.
@@blackjacktrial my point was to make everyone Everytime be the same ruling. As long as it’s the same. AL or NL.
@@blackjacktrialyou’ve never player baseball🤣
@@user-fj7vm9fz2hagreed, plus the hard part for the batter is guessing the pitch. Kinda easy when the coach can tell you what it will be
@@blackjacktrial..lol..yeah and football has how many? A special team coach, an offensive line coach defensive line coach offensive coordinator defensive coordinator..etc..lol that was funny
Perfect example of "give an inch they'll take a mile"
Reply to me if you smell
@@Charlies_Factorythey get want they want but then they get greedy and want more and more
@@Charlies_Factory actually think about what you said.
You don't have the inch if you gave it away.
@@Charlies_Factory awww did you have to edit your idiocy away? 🤣
Try better next time you want to troll, don't care if your gonna troll but at least put some effort in ffs
@@hamoostaffat looool it worked look how mad you are
Dude called him a fat boy while being fatter that has me dying
That’s the way we (semi-fat guys) do it.
Muscle
He was like if the other guy had eaten a clone of himself and still had the confidence to say that. Mad respect
No he wasn’t fatter. That’s muscle not fat. C’mon man!
@@doc145 those chipmunk cheeks give him away.
I mean, you can't deny the side eye straight into a home run. That one is arguably the entire reason the rule is there.
I remember it vividly and he 100% stared at the dugout because they were chirping during his at bat and he didn’t like it. I challenge you to find a single other instance in his entire career where he looked over like that right before the pitch. Trust me, you won’t find one.
@@StacheBigotenah, jays dugout is to his back. He was looking towards 1st base
@@noahsomething7428 Not the Jays dugout, his own dugout.
@@StacheBigote so what his own team was chirping him?
@@noahsomething7428 No, his own team was chirping at the umpire while they were winning 6 to nothing and it annoyed him. He even said as much after the game. Said he took some guys aside and “said a couple things”.
“Fat Boy!” Has my guy seen himself 😂
They should be forced to follow the rules. How petty.
Why should they be forced to follow a rule that no one follows already. Just remove the rule😂
@@001bronze because if you drop one rule because everyone is ignoring it you show every player and team that if enough people ignore a rule it will be dropped. Want to use sticky stuff to get better grip? Just get other teams to do it too. Want to start running without even being allowed to? Just get other teams to do it too.
@@001bronzeno, just follow the rule and quit breaking it
Bev they will cheat if you don’t
@@001bronzeq
If it’s the rule, then they should stay in the box. If it’s not a big deal, then get rid of the rule.
The thing with baseball is a lot of rules are only enforce if the other team asks for it. Take a runner on third. No outs. Next pitch is popped up. Runner leaves early before it's caught and scores. The umpire will see it but won't say anything. The run scores and counts unless the other team appeals the play. Only then will the runner be out and the run taken off the board.
It was a big deal because they were using it to steal pitches. It wasn't just the fact he was outside the box.
@@brandonfrancey5592 I admittedly do not watch MLB, but I can't imagine any team allowing a run to count if the baserunner didn't tag up on a fly ball. I suppose they might not say anything if they want the same advantage, but I just can't imagine arbitrarily enforcing that rule.
@@PhilW7670 not really allowing them to score but if no opposing coach sees it but an umpire does the ump won’t say anything. But when the opposing team says something the ump will pretty much say “yeah you’re right I saw it too”.
@@PhilW7670 A team wouldn't intentionally allow a run to score, it falls under the other team not paying attention. Its incredibly rare for a player to leave a bag early and get away with it, but it can happen.
Yeah, there’s the box for a REASON. It’s like the traveling rule in basketball. The umpires and referees should enforce the rules consistently. Or you get THIS.
YES! As a sports photographer I get blocked out by coaches moving out of the spot all the time.
When I was coaching 16U, I would nervously pace the first base line when my son was up. One game, he gets a triple with a nice slide into third. A photographer then yelled to me that if I had stayed in the box, he would have gotten the shot. I honestly felt bad for both of us.
@@spooge33”a photographer” aka another parent 😂.
lol that is the least important reason for anything that I have ever heard 😂😂😂. For the sake of a photographer??!!?! How about to prevent cheating??
RUSH THE FIELD
@PeopleRTellingme Actually was a legit photographer. But I get it.
The one time the umpires weren't being completely stupid
453 likes and no comment let me just fix that
@@yoitscashh6589 No further elaboration was needed.
A broken clock is is right twice a day and an umpire is right twice a year.
Yes
Say someone nickname from fast food restaurant
Yes enforce it. Apparently this has been a problem before. That’s why we have them.
Seems obvious, doesn't it? There's a box.
Who cares, as a former pitcher, I'd sometime tell the hitter what was coming. Most hitters didn't believe me and struck out. I tried? 🤷
@@BasedAFPatriotIn little league that might work but tell them the pitch in MLB and it’s a different story.
@@BMB1105 Everybody knew Nolan Ryan was gonna throw a fastball and that Mariano Rivera was gonna throw the cutter. Batters still struck out. If your good enough, it shouldn’t matter
@@Tiger69420 pitchers are different, some pitchers rely on multiple pitches to fool batters like yu darvish or kyle hendricks
It’s simple. Just stand in the dang box
No. Should've been enforced all along, not just when someone requested it.
One of my favorite traditions in baseball is drawing a box to remind the base coaches where _not_ to stand.
I used to paint those boxes u better damn well use them! Lol
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😂 same. Field prep is glorious
wait.. the LINES are being used, to establish that no-one is using the boxes.
Base coach Line Painters of the World Unite!!
Right! Why did I waste my time? Also that perfect circle for people on deck. You get back in that circle
I mean, yeah, the batter should have to figure out the pitch on their own
Some guys just don't like a box....
It's like trying to keep Jack in the box 😅
Yeah, they are called blue jay fans.
They feeling claustrophobic 🤣
That's thinking outside the box.
Sorry, couldn't help myself.
NTTAWWT
Someone made that box only for people to ignore it
Cry me a river
bruh you're really tryin to be that dude that comments on EVERY video aren't you lol
hahahahaha🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
And the on deck circle.
Hello brother
How ironic that the blue jays coach was calling someone a fat boy
Don't know tell us
Well, that would imply the other person being extremely fat... it's irony, in a putdown. Guess you're just too low on the IQ spectrum to understand the multi layered burn.
How is it ironic? You implying John Schneider is fat? 😂
@@jeremyrafuse5330 that’s what irony is
@@jeremyrafuse5330 yea he’s a pretty fat dude, can’t have a beer belly and say you’re in shape or skinny
Spend all that money and they still have to CHEAT! What a DISGRACE! They should be sanctioned, removed, and fined!
They don't have to cheat. And stealing signs is not cheating. I've been a big baseball fan for 60 years. Everyone knows the coaches are "supposed" to stay in the box, but everyone accepts the fact that coaches never do. So it's not enforced because everyone benefits from it not being enforced. The Jays got burned and started crying about it. The solution is for the pitcher not to show what he's goung to throw. It's the pitchers fault. And the Jays stomped their feet and said, "not fair" Like a child.
You make it sound as if only the Yankees are doing it. As the video makes clear, *everyone* does it, but heretofore the umps didn’t really enforce the rule.
Either get rid of the rule or enforce it, equally.
@@markdaniels7174 I did not make it sound like only the Yankees are doing it. I said, "it's not enforced because everyone benefits from it not being enforced".
The rule is there so when a coach is abusing the rule and using it for something other than what is considered acceptable, the coach can be punished. Toronto tried to use the rule against the Yankees for doing something that harmed the Jays, but was perfectly acceptable behavior. Reading a flaw in the pitchers delivery. As I said, it was the pitchers error, not the Yankee coach.
It's only okay if the yankees do it, any other team and it's cheating. Lmfao.
@877cashnowszn : Absolutely NOT! Any team that gets caught cheating . Even my O's!
I remember Rene Lachemann in 1998 he was the third base coach for the Cardinals. When McGwire came up with no one on he would stand like 30 feet outside the box. I don't blame him one bit.
If the rule exists, it should be enforced. If you don't want to enforce it, get rid of the rule. Idc either way if it's legal or illegal, just enforce the rules or get rid of them
This one only has a penalty if the opposing manager complains. Rule 5.93(c)
@@bobh6728 baseball rules suck
@@robg8203 If you started a league, what rules would you have? Or which ones would you change?
There are a lot of different rule sets now, tee ball, little league, NFHS, NCAA, MLB, etc, adding a new set should be no big deal.
@@bobh6728 In-field fly ball since I hit a nuke and it was bases loaded and the dude dropped it like bro lol. i’m obviously jk this was high school btw
@@bobh6728
I would have a definitive strike zone that's the same for all umpires.
Crazy how they yelled at each other for doing the exact thing that they did/ended up doing 😂 Hypocrisy at its finest
Fr, thought I was watching a political debate for sec
It was more like “you’re cheating so we’re going to cheat too”
It wasn’t hypocrisy, it was pettiness. They did it in retaliation.
Its the US what do you expect? Smart people😅?
@@Frezri69 one of the teams is Canadian
I mean if the box is there for a reason and the rule says they have to be in the box... then yes it should be enforced.
Yes! They should be forced to stay in the box or the batter gets credit for a walk to first base
Why would the batter get credit? It's the batter's own coach that is misbehaving.
I say: if the coach comes in contact with a ball in play (including a foul ball that hasn't passed the base and could thus potentially drift fair), and they're NOT in the box, then it's treated as interference and ruled adversely against the batting side.
@@mal2ksc you’re right. I got things backwards and the batting team should get penalized somehow
Damn right they need to stand in the box. It ain’t there for no reason
Actually some player's hit the so hard that the box puts a 50 60 year old man in danger of getting hit by a batted ball. That said they should be in the box if they are going to steal signs
@@garymuhlenforth7251they took that risk when they signed the contract to be a coach
Well they haven't been doing it, after years now it's a problem should have been saying something
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Exactly! If you’re not gonna enforce a rule get rid of it or in this case if you’re not gonna enforce the box get rid of it.
Yes, I think coaches need to stay in the box if for no other reason then to prevent them from seeing the pitchers grip etc..as was clearly demonstrated in your video
Or get rid of coaches on the field. No other sport does this and it’s beyond comprehension why it would be necessary
@@mcgritty8842 I get why you’d want a coach at 3rd base, so they can tell a runner to hold up, slide or continue running home. Very difficult to see what’s going on behind you while you’re running full tilt etc, but a first base coach is unnecessary in my opinion.
They just need to be more strict with enforcing the rule to stay within the chalked box.
@@mcgritty8842 You are so 100% correct.
@@mcgritty8842 clearly never played baseball
@@mcgritty8842thats a never played baseball take, first base coach is fairly unnecessary but 3rd base coaches are extremely helpful
Bro had to shove those last words in there so before the 60 seconds was up💀
As someone who watches baseball occasionally but didn't grow up with it played in my country, it's insane to me that "base coaches" are even a thing. (Likewise coaches telling quarterbacks what to do play by play). These are professional athletes. Let them play the damn sport without micromanaging them.
They’re there to tell the runners whether to advance or stop where they’re at and if they need to slide or if they can stay standing, etc. Cuz it’s kinda hard to try to see the ball behind you and run to the base in front of you.
If you think QB’s should be calling every play in 2024 you are completely ignorant regarding football. I don’t even know where to start with this take, it would take hours to list the reasons why this is ridiculous.
That coach was thinking outside the box.
😂😂
I think it might’ve been a g not a t
More countries should play baseball
Well played, McFly.
Either enforce it or get rid of it.
They gotta enforce it, this was a problem before, that's why the box was implemented
@@MrDeath5300 agreed. It's an ability to cheat. Uphold it 💯% of the time, not just in high profile games. Like my argument a moment ago in another thread, the wrong teams may have made it to this point for this particular reason...
I played baseball for most of my life. Was a pitcher at the college level before getting hurt. I NEVER gripped my "pitch" _in the stretch_ behind my back. I'd just grip it in a 4-seam in case I had to throw to 1st (pick-off) & when I came "set", I'd adjust my grip _in my glove_ so no one would see my *real* grip. I thought every pitcher knew that? 🤷♂️
That was my thought exactly
It used to be called back in the day. I can't remember the Yankees coach that got thrown out might have been Billy Martin. But he was standing out the coach's box and he went ballistic when he was penalized.
Called the guy fat whilst being almost twice his size 😂
For real 😂😂
Murica
Takes one to know one 😂
Takes one to know one
Toronto is in canada dummy
“Shut up and let us cheat! 😤”
Liberals/Democrats
fr
I guess the jays were cheating too.. along with every other team in baseball 💀
@@Huckleberry9921 if u ain’t cheating u ain’t trying I guess 🤷🏽♂️😂
@@wookxii Fr 😂
Its on the umps for not enforcing the rules. Same with all the new rules they had to make because the umps wouldn't enforce pace of play.
The umpires are instructed not to enforce the coach's box rule unless there's a complaint. That's what happened here
I'm about to go watch that last O's versus Yankees series 😂
Get in the box and STAY THERE. BOTH of you. It's been in the rule book for over 100 years. Enforce it.
Aight gramps😂
No it wasn't. There hasn't been base coaches for half that long
Who are you to tell an MLB coach what to do, shut up and stay in your lane.
You stay in the box when they hit a missile at your head…
Really? have you ever seen an umpire enforce the catches balk? Another part of the game that's been removed under the auspices of speeding up the game.
You don’t call a guy that is lighter than you a “fat boy” 😂
I don’t know I’m tall and lean. There are guys that are like 5’8 and they just look fat to me like Josh Naylor
So some of these guys might actually way less than me but I call them fat
Also since the jerseys are tucked into the pants sometimes it’s hard to say exactly what they look like. I thought Verdugo was pretty fat because he has a fat face
I wonder who he was calling fat. Rojas is jacked & Chapman & Boone are both skinny.
Yes you can. He just did.
pretty sure thats not "fat" pretty sure thats another Fa- word...
Hey, takes one to know one. Yeah, you do.
If you ain't cheatin' you ain't tryin': Joe Montana
I went to an MLB game is week for the first time in years. The base coach was ten feet outside the lines the whole game.
The jays throwing an entire dugout wide tantrum only to do the same thing is the most jays thing of all time.
As a jays fan... true lmao.
The fact that you think where the yanks coach was standing is anywhere near where the yanks coach was.. tells me that you’re a Yank or an Astro. 😊
@@MrWesleyton bro, if the jays are saying u have to be in the box then they should stick to their guns and follow the same rule. U can’t argue that he wasn’t in the box, he wasn’t. I’m a tigers/mariners fan so I got no dog in the fight, it’s just logic. Not to mention, the only thing u showed with ur comment is ur clearly a jays fan, otherwise u would be seeing the same thing everyone else does, a team getting mad about someone not following the rules then breaking the exact same rule. The guy I replied to never said they were standing in the same place, he said they were doing the same thing, as I’m not standing in the box
Blows my mind...
The Yankees acting like what they are doing is totally fine, then complaining when somebody does it to them is the most Yankees thing of all time.
I use to complain about this in my son's Summer College league. There were former MLB players coaching in this league doing the same thing. My son was pitching so I told him to use a random grip before going to the glove. It worked, they don't know what's coming if the pitcher doesn't get the grip until he goes to the glove.
I would use this to my advantage, like you said too. You wanna stand back there? Hit ‘em with the ole razzledazzle finger switch every pitch. Yep, this next ones for SURE is going to be a split seam fastball, SIKE change up 😂
A super pitcher will actually tell you" Here it is try n hit it!
Or just tell your First base Coach to slim down a bit and they’ll have nothing to complain about!!! 😅
@@dennismull147 they literally wont.
That's we're it's supposed to be done anyway who changed that
The coaching boxes were invented in the 1890s because the coaches were running back and forth between their base and home plate while yelling belligerently at the pitcher. The owners wanted to make the game more family-friendly, so they invented the coaching boxes.
The funny part was judge claiming he was trying to get the dugout to stop chirping and thats totally why he looked over there...
Sure buddy. Sounded as honest as Gerritt Cole about the sticky stuff
Bro spoke at a set pace then realised he was running outta time at the end of the short lol
That's hilarious
Bujuthinktheshulstayouttadabox???
You made me rewatch the entire thing but it was worth it! 😂
Damn, MLB coaches be acting like our government officials
Except one government official wanted to nuke a hurricane and then changed it's trajectory on a paper map with a sharpie in order to trick his base.
@@jordach545 That was made up by Biden
@@jordach545 what are you on about?
@@masonphillips8181 TDS, it's incurable.
@@masonphillips8181 trump actually did that
Hide your pitches better. As long as you don’t bring wires or a battery into it, sign stealing is part of the game. Change your grip when you come set, there’s a reason you have a solid webbed glove as a pitcher
That’s freakin hilarious! They call them out for it then do it and get called out for it🤣
Did they use it for the same reason? The video is misleading for clicks.
It’s on purpose to prove a point
Reminds me of some people I’ve worked with. They’ll complain when someone does something & then will do the same thing.
Lmao reminds me of fundie Christians saying everything is pornography when their own holy book is filled to the brim with incest, child abuse, murder, r@pe, onanism,… etc etc, I could go on.
Blue jays did it to spite the Yankees coach lol
No way bro yells at them for getting out of the line then goes out of the line 💀💀
It's common in baseball. Better for the coach to get thrown out than the player, or both.
That was pretty dumb. If you want to call out someone, you better make sure you aren't doing it too.
@@jeremiahbachmann3901I mean you can do it to prove a point or even provoke the other team. I don't understand you people who think you should play by the rules if your opponent is blatantly not. 😂 If the coach is stealing pitches then for damn sure I'd be doing the same, taste of your own medicine.
If you're going to enforce that rule fine, it is in the book, then when the next bat flip occurs, eject the hitter for throwing the bat, it's an out, all base runners return to the base they occupied when the ball was hit. On a personal note, I really do believe you need to stop the bat flips before it gets out of hand. Who knows what these guys will come up with and then try to stop it. I've worked the plate up through men's summer league games. You get hit with a flying bat, it is painful.
When Frank Howard was playing for the Washington Senators back in the 60s and early 70s, routinely, the third base coach would not stand in the box. He was too afraid of a Hondo line drive hitting him.
The dumbest part is their own coaches weren’t doing it either.
Ya well the jays weren't sign stealing. Yanks were.
@@markrobert6014 1. The jays pitcher even said he was tipping. 2. So long as it isn’t technology based every single team will respect it even if they’ll also equally try to end it immediately. 3. The whole point of the initial argument is if they think the “cheating” is the coach being out of the box you damn sure need to be in the box yourself…
Pitcher can’t change his grip inside the glove?
It could be used both ways,
Go ahead look, and hope I’m still on the seam when I wind up.
Hell, I’d Candiotti the ball until I wound up if I knew a coach would look
@@WilliamSt.Clair1399the reason why the jays did it is so the umpire would actually do something about it. If the jays didnt do anything the yankees would have done the same thing next inning.
@@cmac6136 Oh, so you just don’t watch baseball. That’s fine, just don’t comment acting like you do man!
Nah big dude really had the balls to call someone else fat boy😂
fat boys can call others fat boy. They know what they are talking about lol
😂😂😂😂 its like black people calling each other ni__a which is pretty dumb to me never understood that. Guys can call each other bitch and cunt but not to women which is cool I get that. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Its like the n word, but for fat guys. 😂
He just big boned
@@boydmccollum692 but who on the Yankees is fat tho😂
We played Chinese Taipei for JWS, their first base coach stood inches off the foul line stealing our signals. I brought it to the chief umps attention and he did nothing.
I had that problem in a soccer game, you can’t give a coach an inch because they’ll take a foot. You must maintain game control.
Its obviously teams trying to gain any advantage they can. The history of cheating in baseball is 10x deeper than any other sport, except maybe motorsports. A big part of the reason i love baseball so much is people seem to care about players breaking the unwritten rules than actually cheating by breaking the actual rules. Such a funny sport😂
What’s even funnier is people only seem to care about certain ways that people cheat, and also who and what team is doing the cheating. Like people don’t really care that much if you cheat this way, but if you cheat that way, then all hell breaks loose and that player should be banned from baseball. Makes no damned sense lol cheating is cheating. Either enforce it and care about it the same way, or, let players cheat anyway they want. There is wayyyy too much of a grey area in baseball and I think it’s one of the reasons why it’s so damned hard for new fans to try and watch and enjoy baseball. Half the rules make no sense, and the other half are “unwritten” rules that arnt even technically rules!
@@djLagwayEnjoyer so if someone rubs sweat on a ball and in another scenario another team sent drum signals to steal signs, effectively ruining the game, people should have the same opinions about both?
@@djLagwayEnjoyer it is the same in Motorsport. If the other teams are cheating it is a travesty and they need to be severely punished. If your team is cheating, they are brilliant and the other teams need to be smarter. It is just how things go.
Hey f*** the Astros
What's the cheating in motorsports?
The groundskeepers drawing the box knowing no one cares about it 😂
Technically, if the box only has 3 sides then there is no "inside" for the base coaches to be in
Supposed to be enforced for the exact reason stated: to make it harder for coaches to tip pitches to batters. Enforce it.
Rather obviously, yes, they should have to stay in the box. How do you think this is even a question?
its not even that they were out of the box, he was half way up the line
cause hes looking for views
So the question is less, should they stay in the box, and more should the box even exist? I'll be honest here and state I don't watch baseball, and I'm fairly ignorant of most of the rules. That said, if a rule exists on the books it should be followed and enforced. If it doesn't make sense, it should be rewritten until it does, or removed. It makes sense to limit where the 3rd base coach can be, as evidenced by this video. Giving them free reign of the field give the batting team an advantage.
I guess you're new to baseball because I've never in my life seen any coached actually stand in the box
@@user-nj1zu2nf1x you need to work on reading comprehension skills
“Fat boy”
Damn bro really ended his career with that one
He was fatter than the yaknees coach tf 😂😂😂 aint end nobodies career but his own
Bro was fatter than him so he shouldn’t be talking
It ended WW2
@@mario36s You sir, win the internet for the next 15 minutes
Guy was in great shape to be 50 quite honestly.
Finally !
I’ve been saying this for years !
Get your ass in the box coach !!!
Nah my dad does the same shit… stands at the end of the dugout yelling out what pitch is coming.. works way easier in softball as the pitcher gets her grip in front with the glove open to third.. baseball is a little harder since you come set and can adjust your grip there where it’s mostly closed off to the corners
John Schneider needs to look in the mirror before calling anyone fat...
This 😂 I thought I was the only seeing it
Hah! Hilarious.
I think he called him F@&k boy
@@matthewparker235 Yep
@@lukelyons8716 maybe, but he is just as big of a fuck boy as Boone lol
That end is so funny where you had to speed it up bc you almost ran out of time lol
In baseball it's a long time tradition to steel signs from the catcher. The Houston Astros got away with with a camera in center field and won two world series😮
its a rule for a reason
was your final question really: "... should the rules be enforced?"
Seems like an easy rule to follow
It's like in football where coaches should stay in the technical area, rarely do the officials enforce it
Base coaches aren’t allowed to be on the field or come in contact with runners either, but the walk right up to their players cross the chalk and touch their players all the time. Never is enforced.
It has to be enforced. Otherwise coaches can stand pretty much anywhere. Baseball is so stupid. Cheating and call stealing is rampant yet those involved get so upset over an infraction around one of the myriad of unwritten rules.
Sport killed itself with this. Watch the World Baseball Classic... the crowds and teams are having a great time.... singing, dancing... Then ya watch the MLB games and its like watching paint dry and theres zero enjoyment. Unwritten rules dont allow the players to have fun... if they do have fun, theyre pegged by a 100 mph fastball between the numbers.
@@nicklazzaro5055 You OBVIOUSLY don't know baseball and you are showing it . Games because the league realized the that the game needed speeding up . AND THE DID SOMETHING THAT WORKED . Go watch some China supporters Basketball ...
@@johnb2905 nothing you just said even made a bit of sense John. But thanks for your input. I played DII college baseball. Im sure i dont know anything at all.
@@nicklazzaro5055 The pitch clock has cut game time a lot and the game action is much faster, game times much shorter. I have watched several games this season and it's refreshing to not see batters adjusting all of their pads and gloves between each pitch, or a pitcher staring until a batter steps out.
If MLB would just enforce the coaches box or enlarge it this kind of BS would disappear. I am really curious to see how the automatic umpire(balls and strikes) would work.
See, Astros weren't the only ones play stealing. They all do it!
Grown men getting paid millions of dollars to yell at each other and act like middle schoolers. Yeah.
Are you talking about baseball or politicians
they only act like middle schoolers because they haven't seen the horrors of Grenada Anthony... if they had... they'd agree with you
If this is what you are concerned about you missed the plot
They are 100% paid to ACT. The entire league. From top to bottom.
Getting paid a lot of money doesn't stop humans from being human.
The rules are the rules ! Let's play by the rules .
This is like the foot fault rule in tennis. You technically aren’t allowed to put your foot on the baseline when serving but it’s hardly ever enforced which is super annoying for players when it randomly gets enforced and they lose the serve
They should enforce it. A rule is a rule.
nerd
@@russw5605 😂
or get rid of it clearly they didn’t give a fuck about the rule why does it exist
Fights over base coaches. MLB, never stop being awesome. Seriously. This is beautiful.
The only "awesome" part about baseball is when anything other than baseball happens.
@@shellshockedbros4458thanks for letting us know you get picked last.
@@blickedxbno actually. Its just such a shit sport. I remember (hardly) one time my dad took me and my older brother to see a diamondbacks game (from Arizona)i dont remember any of that shit i think we left early. God its so boring
@@blickedxbI mean, I’m kinda with him… don’t get all sensitive about it
@mixedvibes9613 Again thanks for letting us know you got picked last. Let me guess you love low iq football though..
If the box is there , and coaches should be there , then enforce the rule , and make them stay there !!!
Used to think it was just the juice, turns out A-A-Ron getting other help too...no integrity
5.03 Base Coaches
(a) The team at bat shall station two base coaches on the field during its time at bat, one near first base and one near third base.
(b) Base coaches shall be limited to two in number and shall be in team uniform.
(c) Base coaches must remain within the coach’s box consistent with this Rule, except that a coach who has a play at his base may leave the coach’s box to signal the player to slide, advance or return to a base if the coach does not interfere with the play in any manner. Other than exchanging equipment, all base coaches shall refrain from physically touching base runners, especially when signs are being given.
PENALTY: If a coach has positioned himself closer to home plate than the coach’s box or closer to fair territory than the coach’s box before a batted ball passes the coach, the umpire shall, upon complaint by the opposing manager, strictly enforce the rule. The umpire shall warn the coach and instruct him to return to the box. If the coach does not return to the box he shall be removed from the game. In addition, coaches who violate this Rule may be subject to discipline by the League President.
You were the only one who was smart
enough to pull up the rule.Someone
should go through film and see how
long it took them to finally catch it.
Nice work!
No confusion with that Rule..
That kind of makes it sound like both base coaches _must_ be there, even when no one is on base.
Him rushing at the end so he can say what he had to say before the he reached the minute limit was too funny lol
butyouthinkcoachesshouldactuallybeforcedtostayinthebox?
Make them stand in one of those big inflated beach ball thingies. Safe and hilarious.
I love the audacity to cry foul and then immediately try it yourself.
Make them stand in the box. It is there for a reason. Cheating takes all forms and that is why these boxes exist to mitigate some of those issues.
I mean watching pitches and pitch numbers isn't illegal and neither is relaying to your team😂 not their fault the jays can't hide their pitches
@@coleswanginshenanigans867 well that's why the box is there. So that the coaches don't have as great of a view of the pitchers grip or catchers call
Using tipped information on pitches is different than trying to see signs
@@E_alvarad0 trying to see signs isn’t illegal either. That’s the whole reason they use sequences. And the pitcher should never grip his pitch behind his back anyway. That itself is a tip
@@ezragatton5431 trying to steal signs isn't illegal if even batters on 2nd are tipping to the hitter. A coach could solely focus on tipping pitches if he has an advantage of an angle. That's what the boxes are for
But if a player is grabbing signs and tipping them you better believe someone on the team is getting a fast ball high and tight
Calling another grown man fat boy is a top tier power move.
well when he is fat,why not....softy
Especially when the one calling him fat is also fat 😂
It's not as if standing inside the box protects them from a stray foul ball, this is petty af
In the 50+ years I’ve been a fan, this is only the second time I’ve seen or heard of this rule being enforced.
If they don't enforce it, sure try to get a better view. This isn't just a game for these teams, its a job.
In the south we call that "monkeyball"
@@asdfasdf969 hello brother
If you cheat at a job you get fired.
@@akaredcrossbow not exactly
@@HeyItzCayden you know what I mean! If you’re caught cheating you should be warned, suspended, or even fired.
Now that's thinking outside the box!
Lol
Underrated comment
Damnit
Bbboooooooo
If there is a box especially for them, they must respect that box!
Basketball has become the worst for ignoring rules. Traveling, double dribble, palming. When's the last time you've seen any of those violations called? I bet some younger folks on here haven't even heard of those violations.
Well.. whenever I had a team complain about it I reminded the coach under my breath: "If you want me to enforce it on them, I will have to enforce it on your team as well. Do you really want this? Yes or No?"
why are coaches enforcing the rules? that's what the referees a for. dumb sport.
@@Kevinschart While watching games sometimes a runner comes around 2nd and doesn't see the 3rd base coaches signs, I have to think if the coach stayed in the box instead of getting all excited and animated drifting too far out of it they would more easily see him....lol!
Way to gaslight the other coach, coach.
In or out, just make sure both teams are enforced equally. Fairness. The easiest way to make sure that happens is to follow the rules as written, so in.
It was really f’n stupid of the Jays to call out the Yankees about being out of the box then turn right around and do the same damn thing. Genius strategy guys. 🙄🙄🤦♂️
If they're going to 😭 about the 3rd base coach staying outside the box then make sure your 3rd base coach stays in the box too.
Yes! It should be enforced every single game. If a batter is standing far back in the batter's box and swings and smashes the catcher on the helmet, that is illegal too. What also should be illegal is that a pitcher should always have a designated hitter other than themselves at bat during that particular game that they are pitching in.
When the Los Angeles Dodgers' Ohtani will actually be able to pitch in 2025, during any game that Ohtani is pitching, he should NOT be able to hit that game as well because of the designated hitter rule. Make sense.
Im in agreement that i forgot the box even existed. It seems like a legitimate rule for a legitimate reason. I'm for enforcement of it.
If not, abolish it. So long as its there it should be universal enforced
If you abolish it you endorse cheating.. oh wait, they already have! Aka Astros fans 😂
@@paulkarp958 I havent watched in years. Havent been to a game in probably over 15yrs. Im just saying if the rule is ignored most of the time, it should be gone. I'm all for enforcement of it, seems like a very logical fix to potential cheating.
Though.. if you're not cheating, you're not trying. I do still watch all the patriots games lol
The big deal wasn't the fact he was outside the box. The big deal was stealing pitches and giving them to the hitter.