He could be, in a flashback, maybe at the very beginning, how the Harkonians talk with the Emperor to destroy House Atreidis, his last scene & the 1st of the Emperor
Paul was not a Mentat. He was bred to have the necessary qualities to qualify for Mentat training, and was exposed to early Mentat training, but never underwent the training necessary to become a Mentat. He achieved levels of skill that would have qualified him as a Mentat through his own genetics and spice exposure. Paul was something that had never been seen before, or even imagined. He was a wild card. Read the books.
Although I think that Dastmalchian was criminally under-used in Villeneuve's Dune, bringing him back for the next part would be a mistake. His part in the universe is done and creative liberty isn't a justification to make such a radical change to the events of the story. It would also nullify the importance of Leto's final act before his death, making it an absolute failure. Such a noble character deserves better. It was an error to have sidelined such an important and fascinating character as Piter De Vries, but the mistake is in the past, where Piter must remain. Villeneuve shouldn't compound that error by attempting to rectify it with a sloppy retcon.
I could not agree more. I've watched the first movie several times and Piter is not even referred to by name. People who haven't read the book will just assume Piter is no more than a servant.
Finally people are talking about how this Dune is anything less than absolute masterpiece. I couldn't finish part 1 without falling asleep. Have read all the books, & kinda loved David Lynch Dune despite him not.
I actually liked Piter's portrayal in the new Dune movie. It made the actual Harkonnens seem much more imposing. However, I do wish they would've flushed out his character and made him more sadistic.
@16:00 I fully agree that it's unfortunate that Piter was minimized in the movie, but that's true of nearly all characters. I still prefer the miniseries overall, but after watching this movie I felt that all of the characters were well played by the actors I just wished there had been more time for ALL of them and to explore their relationships. This is always a problem when adapting books to film, so I don't know if it's fair to be too hard on their choices.
@@ianbaumel7907 The usage of b&w to represent flashbacks seems very unlikely considering the aesthetics laid down in Dune part one. I really doubt that Villeneuve would resort to that. The most plausible theory is that it looks that way inside the arena because of Geidi Prime's sunlight.
" You can't create a computer in the form of a human mind. " This leaves considerable latitude in the development of computing, storage, and communication technologies.
He was trained, but not aware that he was being given the foundation training of a mentat... As mentioned, all mentats are trained from a young age, but they are not aware that they are being trained, until later being given the choice to completely and knowingly devote themselves to the full-training and career as a mentat.
It was mentioned in the book that early mentat training was carried out without the student being aware. So when it was revealed to Paul that he had been receiving mentat training it was his choice whether to continue. It was not that he was late, but with so much else going on as he reached his majority his education programme was interrupted and left solely up to his mother.
Many throughout the Imperium who were addicted to melange wore colored contact lenses to hide the Eyrs of Ibad. Perhaps a re-read of the novels is in order?
I prefer to think that Yueh's Suk conditioning was never subverted. He was simply put into an extreme situation that tested the absolute limits of his Suk conditioning, his oath, and his personal ethics. The movie gives us more context, and there's the possibility they took her apart and turned her into a weird harkonnen plaything (maybe the spider), and what if they shared all their medical data about the torture and body horror to yueh, and as a physician he understood these medical details, and so the situation is worse than torture or death. In a sense his wife is his patient because if he gets her back alive he would have to care for her in a state that is too far gone. So he wishes her death to free her from the agony. His betrayal of house atreides is not a betrayal of his oath, he does what he can to ensure they have ways to survive and strike back at the harkonnen secretly. Yueh was never broken.
I mentioned before that I didn't like how the Harkonnens were portrayed in the new movie where they looked like aliens instead of normal people. I especially didn't like how Piter De Vries was portrayed because he wasn't originally a Harkonnen and he was supposed have a much different appearance. In the new movie he was just another lackey, and everything unique about him in the book was stripped away. The best Piter De Vries was potrayed by Brad Dourif in the 1984 movie. He was intimidating but still evil. He looked different than his Harkonnen peers but was still a critical member of the faction. Before I read the book , and saw the movie that character got me interested into knowing why this intimidating person was with the Harkonnens.
The Harkonnem being albinos and bald leaves a sinister and cruel aura. To make them look like Sharks. It's no wonder that they were whale skin traders before.
the black and white, monochromatic color made them look like the Romans. But unlike the Romans, they stood out for their commercial intelligence. Selling whale skin. Selling the spice slowly to buy it more expensively, as it is scarce. Deflating the spice
@@KamaelArcanjoDeMarteHebraico The Harkonnens weren't suppose to be sinister and cruel looking. They weren't meant to be scary, instead they were meant to be douchebags. In the books they all had irritating habits and they got on each other's nerves. They weren't supposed to look like monsters.
I think Dastamalchian was a good choice to play Piter, but Villaneuve took too much from his character for him to be able to do anything with the role other than be the Barons butler. I think I much prefer the Piter that wasn't afraid to snap retorts to the Baron (whom found his insolence amusing) and was a big part of planning the Atredies downfall
I think human computers are capable of making leaps of logic that computers can not . They have human flaws or bad information can lead to errors. But they could make predictions based on very limited information a computer could not
I love all 3 iterations of dune. If I could have the miniseries with the new version’s special effects, and piter, the baron, and sting from dune 1984, to me, that would be amazing. Each version has its strengths and weaknesses
I am very much a fan of Dune and the universe of Dune, I was not much of a fan of the new movie. I will still watch it, I still like certain aspects and/or also certain characters that were cast but, yeah... Not much of a fan of the new film thus far and how things were changed, etc. I much like Piter in the 80s movie vs the new filming. Sucks they didn't provide much screen time for the character in this one so far.
You said everything I would have said. The new movie had its good points, but they altered way too many things. I hated how they made the Harkonnens looked like inhuman aliens instead of normal looking people. It especially didn't make sense for Piter.
Yes, he did. As far as I can remember, he was never brought back after that in any of the novels. But it wouldn't surprise me if they bring him back for part 2.
@@ruby2411 There are other Mentats besides Piter and Thufir. It would not be impossible for the Harkonnens to get another Mentat. In fact, in the book, Thufir is captured by the Harkonnens and forced to serve them. I've read all of the books...... not that I remember all of the details. Looking at an online Dune encyclopedia, Piter was a Twisted Mentat. The original Piter was killed in one of the prequel books and the one we see during the events of Dune is actually a Ghola. Also from one of the later stories, all of the remaining Gholas were destroyed.
gholas are notably seperate from clones in dune, the former can only be made from cells of the dead, while the latter can only be made from the cells of the living. clones notably are entirely different people from the cell donor, while gholas can have their previous life memories (and skills) reinstated by a powerful enough trigger, which is implied to be something that goes against their original character.
New Piter is pretty good, its his body language you catch less than his words, Remember he is psycpathic genius. Hey Im just happy they made a pretty good dune so far, More duncan comes later.
It has been hypothesized that Paul's mentat abilities were the reason why he couldn’t be the true leader of the known universe whereas his son Leto, who didn’t have it, was able to.
Wow… I never realised the dude who played Pitor from the 1984 Dune, which I l loved also played Reimer Worm-Tongue. I had wondered how this scraggly agent of Saruman, who was as articulate as he was evocative seemed an otherwise unknown in terms of movie credits. Of course the penny dropped as soon as you mentioned they were the same actor…. Granted he was in 2 very different thematic garbs which made picking him out of a line up nigh on impossible. I recall how bizarre and abstract a character he was in Dune, aside from the quaffing of narcotics to hone their abilities I also recall he had this chant which he’s use to focus or re-calibrate. Yes… if anyone is going to play an active role in hastening the closing in around you of your bower walls, it’ll be that guy. Q. Would you rather commit yourself body and soul to Reimer Worm-Tongue for the rest of your corporeal existence or wake up at sparrow fart every morning in time to milk your rat/cat’s bile duct for enough serum to get you through the next 24 hours? 🤔
Depending on what you consider canon, he could have been cloned (as ghola, so he had most of his personality and memories) several times, before and after original Dune. At least one of his clones appear in Dune RTS games.
If Paul is based on Germanicus (poisoned) then it is easy to say with a little twist who was the role model for Piter ; Caligula, germanicus assassinated relative who was in a relationship of complete dependence from Tiberius princeps ( the Baron). Leto is in that scenario no other then Octavian augustus. Glossu Rabban as the barons henchman is Sejanus.
you got allot of things wrong the Butlerian Jihad happend more then 10000 years before the first book, and Pual is NOT a mentunt but in part a Bene Gesserit
Since reading Dune, and reading the novels, seeing the films, and knowing the fans; I've had the theory, that Piter de Vries, is the other Kwisatz Haderach, Duncan's model. Piter, is the Harkonnen's model, to using Duncan, to crush Paul; Baron Harkonnen's fixation, an anti-Semite, someone opposing Fremen. Fremen, being the spice lines, the tobacco.
Why Baron Harkonnen would he be anti-Semitic? I know he doesn't like the Bene Guesserit. Clearly because Gaius Mohiam made him have a blood disease where he becomes fat?
Of all the Dune adaptations, this latest is my least favorite. However, during a time of woke crap where few movies escape the grrrrrl power man hating cast; this recent Dune shines like a deeply flawed diamond on a black background.
Click bait crap. Piter was killed in the first movie, hard too see how he will make a comeback in part 2. This is just an idiotic miss match of slop. Will not like or subscribe.
I was always impressed at how well Piter Devries was able to embody the spirit of Brad Dorouf.
Piter can't be in the upcoming Part 2. He died in part 1.🤔
He could be, in a flashback, maybe at the very beginning, how the Harkonians talk with the Emperor to destroy House Atreidis, his last scene & the 1st of the Emperor
Ghola?
@@harshalshah4685 he doesn’t show up on the books after this death. So. They going to split from the book?
@@terrygracy8345 Im pretty sure it will be a flashback at the beginning of the movie to show the deal with the emperor.
Lol...He died in dune part 1.
Paul was not a Mentat. He was bred to have the necessary qualities to qualify for Mentat training, and was exposed to early Mentat training, but never underwent the training necessary to become a Mentat. He achieved levels of skill that would have qualified him as a Mentat through his own genetics and spice exposure. Paul was something that had never been seen before, or even imagined. He was a wild card.
Read the books.
Although I think that Dastmalchian was criminally under-used in Villeneuve's Dune, bringing him back for the next part would be a mistake. His part in the universe is done and creative liberty isn't a justification to make such a radical change to the events of the story. It would also nullify the importance of Leto's final act before his death, making it an absolute failure. Such a noble character deserves better.
It was an error to have sidelined such an important and fascinating character as Piter De Vries, but the mistake is in the past, where Piter must remain. Villeneuve shouldn't compound that error by attempting to rectify it with a sloppy retcon.
It could be in flash backs showing the scheme take place
Might as well, the story has already been butchered and perverted
I could not agree more. I've watched the first movie several times and Piter is not even referred to by name. People who haven't read the book will just assume Piter is no more than a servant.
Finally people are talking about how this Dune is anything less than absolute masterpiece. I couldn't finish part 1 without falling asleep. Have read all the books, & kinda loved David Lynch Dune despite him not.
They should make a show about the Mentats I think
I actually liked Piter's portrayal in the new Dune movie. It made the actual Harkonnens seem much more imposing. However, I do wish they would've flushed out his character and made him more sadistic.
I loved Brad Douriff as Piter
@16:00 I fully agree that it's unfortunate that Piter was minimized in the movie, but that's true of nearly all characters. I still prefer the miniseries overall, but after watching this movie I felt that all of the characters were well played by the actors I just wished there had been more time for ALL of them and to explore their relationships. This is always a problem when adapting books to film, so I don't know if it's fair to be too hard on their choices.
He's dead.... poison killed in part 1. So, I guess it would have to be a flashback
Yeah...
That's also what I thought as well
Cloned
@@9216years Nah, too far off the book. Trailers now show B&W scenes which I'm betting are flashbacks.
@@ianbaumel7907 The usage of b&w to represent flashbacks seems very unlikely considering the aesthetics laid down in Dune part one. I really doubt that Villeneuve would resort to that. The most plausible theory is that it looks that way inside the arena because of Geidi Prime's sunlight.
@@brotherjohnnyxXxX- Bingo 😌👌🏽🎯 You were right!
1000 years? I believe it more like 10000 years.
Ya right , I noticed it too
" You can't create a computer in the form of a human mind. "
This leaves considerable latitude in the development of computing, storage, and communication technologies.
While Denis did a great job, I will never forgive him for depriving Piter of his legendary eyebrows
Paul had mentat training he just didn't go to a mentat school. Also he didn't discover it late in life, he was trained from an early age.
He was trained, but not aware that he was being given the foundation training of a mentat... As mentioned, all mentats are trained from a young age, but they are not aware that they are being trained, until later being given the choice to completely and knowingly devote themselves to the full-training and career as a mentat.
He was 15 when he was made aware of it
It was mentioned in the book that early mentat training was carried out without the student being aware. So when it was revealed to Paul that he had been receiving mentat training it was his choice whether to continue. It was not that he was late, but with so much else going on as he reached his majority his education programme was interrupted and left solely up to his mother.
Piter man does whatever a Piter can
5:58 Piter De Vries didn't kill Vladimir Harkonnen. Paul's little sister Alia Atreides did.
Oh sweet summer child have you seen Part 2 lol
@@GrizzlyCompany Oh sweet summer child have you read the books, or seen ANY other versions?
@@GrizzlyCompanyin the book that didn’t happen
@@GrizzlyCompanysweet ignorant watcher, unaware of the plot of the books
Many throughout the Imperium who were addicted to melange wore colored contact lenses to hide the Eyrs of Ibad. Perhaps a re-read of the novels is in order?
I"m thinking in the movies it's so it wouldn't confuse the audience. Good guys with blue eyes.
I believe in dune 84 . Brad doriff himself came up with the dialogue said when taking safo juice. . ( litany),
I prefer to think that Yueh's Suk conditioning was never subverted. He was simply put into an extreme situation that tested the absolute limits of his Suk conditioning, his oath, and his personal ethics. The movie gives us more context, and there's the possibility they took her apart and turned her into a weird harkonnen plaything (maybe the spider), and what if they shared all their medical data about the torture and body horror to yueh, and as a physician he understood these medical details, and so the situation is worse than torture or death. In a sense his wife is his patient because if he gets her back alive he would have to care for her in a state that is too far gone. So he wishes her death to free her from the agony. His betrayal of house atreides is not a betrayal of his oath, he does what he can to ensure they have ways to survive and strike back at the harkonnen secretly.
Yueh was never broken.
I mentioned before that I didn't like how the Harkonnens were portrayed in the new movie where they looked like aliens instead of normal people. I especially didn't like how Piter De Vries was portrayed because he wasn't originally a Harkonnen and he was supposed have a much different appearance. In the new movie he was just another lackey, and everything unique about him in the book was stripped away. The best Piter De Vries was potrayed by Brad Dourif in the 1984 movie. He was intimidating but still evil. He looked different than his Harkonnen peers but was still a critical member of the faction. Before I read the book , and saw the movie that character got me interested into knowing why this intimidating person was with the Harkonnens.
The Harkonnem being albinos and bald leaves a sinister and cruel aura. To make them look like Sharks. It's no wonder that they were whale skin traders before.
the black and white, monochromatic color made them look like the Romans. But unlike the Romans, they stood out for their commercial intelligence. Selling whale skin.
Selling the spice slowly to buy it more expensively, as it is scarce. Deflating the spice
@@KamaelArcanjoDeMarteHebraico The Harkonnens weren't suppose to be sinister and cruel looking. They weren't meant to be scary, instead they were meant to be douchebags. In the books they all had irritating habits and they got on each other's nerves. They weren't supposed to look like monsters.
Y’all put out too much content, man. Spread too thin. You end up getting basic information wrong.
I think Dastamalchian was a good choice to play Piter, but Villaneuve took too much from his character for him to be able to do anything with the role other than be the Barons butler. I think I much prefer the Piter that wasn't afraid to snap retorts to the Baron (whom found his insolence amusing) and was a big part of planning the Atredies downfall
One of the disappointing characters in the Dune movie. In the books even the Baron hinted he was sicko. He was a mouse in the movie.
Is that the same actor who played Wormtongue in LOR and voiced Chucky???
Lynch's Piter could at least have donated half his eyebrows to Villeneuve's Piter and would still have enough left, as I see them side by side now.
I think human computers are capable of making leaps of logic that computers can not . They have human flaws or bad information can lead to errors. But they could make predictions based on very limited information a computer could not
Exactly my friend
@@KamaelArcanjoDeMarteHebraico thanks
Analog vs digital computer
All three of the Dune productions were flawed but also good in their own way.
I love all 3 iterations of dune. If I could have the miniseries with the new version’s special effects, and piter, the baron, and sting from dune 1984, to me, that would be amazing. Each version has its strengths and weaknesses
The only pufta in the movie has a Dutch name, lol
You missed a zero. "Dune" happened a little over 10,000 years after the BJ.
I am very much a fan of Dune and the universe of Dune, I was not much of a fan of the new movie. I will still watch it, I still like certain aspects and/or also certain characters that were cast but, yeah... Not much of a fan of the new film thus far and how things were changed, etc. I much like Piter in the 80s movie vs the new filming. Sucks they didn't provide much screen time for the character in this one so far.
You said everything I would have said. The new movie had its good points, but they altered way too many things. I hated how they made the Harkonnens looked like inhuman aliens instead of normal looking people. It especially didn't make sense for Piter.
He got it wrong .. thufur Hawat Mentat of house Atriedes… told Duke Leto that Paul at 14 had mentat characteristics.. and he told Paul…
I thought Piter died in the first one from the poison.
Yes, he did. As far as I can remember, he was never brought back after that in any of the novels. But it wouldn't surprise me if they bring him back for part 2.
@@kmabru if they didn’t how else would they be able to get another Menthet as a replacement?
@@ruby2411 There are other Mentats besides Piter and Thufir. It would not be impossible for the Harkonnens to get another Mentat. In fact, in the book, Thufir is captured by the Harkonnens and forced to serve them.
I've read all of the books...... not that I remember all of the details. Looking at an online Dune encyclopedia, Piter was a Twisted Mentat. The original Piter was killed in one of the prequel books and the one we see during the events of Dune is actually a Ghola. Also from one of the later stories, all of the remaining Gholas were destroyed.
@@kmabru thanks for this info, I haven’t read the book. So this is interesting and also love to know more about the bene gesserits.
gholas are notably seperate from clones in dune, the former can only be made from cells of the dead, while the latter can only be made from the cells of the living. clones notably are entirely different people from the cell donor, while gholas can have their previous life memories (and skills) reinstated by a powerful enough trigger, which is implied to be something that goes against their original character.
New Piter is pretty good, its his body language you catch less than his words, Remember he is psycpathic genius. Hey Im just happy they made a pretty good dune so far, More duncan comes later.
One of my favorite character
Piter was a good boy.
It has been hypothesized that Paul's mentat abilities were the reason why he couldn’t be the true leader of the known universe whereas his son Leto, who didn’t have it, was able to.
Perfect analysis of this Dune villain.
One flew over the coocoo nest
Less not Chani, more Piter
Sure, shown in a flashback, but not literally resurrected... 🙏🙏🙏🙏
Wow… I never realised the dude who played Pitor from the 1984 Dune, which I l loved also played Reimer Worm-Tongue.
I had wondered how this scraggly agent of Saruman, who was as articulate as he was evocative seemed an otherwise unknown in terms of movie credits.
Of course the penny dropped as soon as you mentioned they were the same actor…. Granted he was in 2 very different thematic garbs which made picking him out of a line up nigh on impossible.
I recall how bizarre and abstract a character he was in Dune, aside from the quaffing of narcotics to hone their abilities I also recall he had this chant which he’s use to focus or re-calibrate.
Yes… if anyone is going to play an active role in hastening the closing in around you of your bower walls, it’ll be that guy.
Q. Would you rather commit yourself body and soul to Reimer Worm-Tongue for the rest of your corporeal existence or wake up at sparrow fart every morning in time to milk your rat/cat’s bile duct for enough serum to get you through the next 24 hours? 🤔
The Butlerian Jihad was 10,000 years before Dune, not 1,000
Agreed disservice
Pieter de Vries is probably the most common name in the Netherlands …
Depending on what you consider canon, he could have been cloned (as ghola, so he had most of his personality and memories) several times, before and after original Dune. At least one of his clones appear in Dune RTS games.
If Paul is based on Germanicus (poisoned) then it is easy to say with a little twist who
was the role model for Piter ; Caligula, germanicus assassinated relative who was in a relationship of complete dependence from Tiberius princeps ( the Baron). Leto is in that
scenario no other then Octavian augustus. Glossu Rabban as the barons henchman is
Sejanus.
Little known fact…. The spice rich environment on Arrakis is what prompted his eye-brows to morph into sand-worms.
Thanks
Sounds like an dutch name like Pieter de Vries.
He died in part one, so he's probably not going to appear in part two.
I’m just glad they got rid of the herpes look
Was it not only AI/GI computer are outlawed…only?
‘De Vries’….. Dutch?
Yeah, you gotta watch those Dutch.
Trump is a perfect mix of Dune's Baron Vladimir Harkonen and Biff Tannen from Back to the Future.
LOL
1:40 It's about 10,000 years before, not 1000
How will he be portrayed in Dune 2? He won’t…he’s dead.
Bull and Skull
So a prequel would be sort of a horror movie eh?
NOT machines.. Thinking machines were banned. You know...AI..
Yeah.....Piter died; poison gas from the Duke.
A Particu Larry.
Brian and Kevin's work isnt canon.... and its really subpar writing. More or less fanfiction
He was barely in the movie and as killed off early lol
Who does the captioning?. It's absolutely horrible. I see words ,names,etc ... spelled many different ways. Please read the script. And the book.
These AI readers are horrible.
I guess yall didn’t watch the first one.
He was much better in old version of movie, in new version he was more like funny character and that was wrong
you got allot of things wrong the Butlerian Jihad happend more then 10000 years before the first book, and Pual is NOT a mentunt but in part a Bene Gesserit
Can they run Crysis though?
Piter did not kill the Baron.
They probably refered to him as working for the Baron as an assassin and torturer.
cunning and lack of morals, almost describe me.
This video is wrong about everything.
Since reading Dune, and reading the novels, seeing the films, and knowing the fans; I've had the theory, that Piter de Vries, is the other Kwisatz Haderach, Duncan's model. Piter, is the Harkonnen's model, to using Duncan, to crush Paul; Baron Harkonnen's fixation, an anti-Semite, someone opposing Fremen. Fremen, being the spice lines, the tobacco.
Why Baron Harkonnen would he be anti-Semitic? I know he doesn't like the Bene Guesserit. Clearly because Gaius Mohiam made him have a blood disease where he becomes fat?
Brad Douriff's Piter is by far better.....This bald guy is so forgetable.
He died
They already killed him off. Lame!
Do you have to show clips from the shit Dune though?
Of all the Dune adaptations, this latest is my least favorite. However, during a time of woke crap where few movies escape the grrrrrl power man hating cast; this recent Dune shines like a deeply flawed diamond on a black background.
to bad he dies so early on. brad durif was als great as
I've never been able to understand the fascination with Dune. Clearly just a slapped together piece of garbage.
You just don't understand the Dune world because it's probably too complex for you.
Some new recommended vocabulary for you John: scarcity and abundance.
Click bait crap. Piter was killed in the first movie, hard too see how he will make a comeback in part 2. This is just an idiotic miss match of slop. Will not like or subscribe.