The ones with "MOUNT VERNON" on them (from the fifties) are smaller than the newer ones. Those have a flatter rim also. The newer ones are too round. Many other manufacturers use these old ones as a base for their models. I like the 10.5C which is a scaled down 3C.
I have a 7c ,it came with my trumpet. I did not choose it. I have smaller one that i believe is better for reaching high notes. Im npt experienced enough ...but i think 7c is an average size and warmer sound.
@@harrelsontrumpets The 3C wasn't considered average until sometime in the 1960s, when a size-shift occurred. Since then, the "bigger is better" philosophy has dominated. But it wasn't always this way. The Schilke 11 is the Herseth model - it's a copy of Adolph Herseth's old Bach NY 7C.
Of course not, it might be the perfect mouthpiece for someone, and is an ideal place to start for anyone while they are deciding what they really feel comfortable with.
The Bach mouthpieces are variable in size because of their method of manufacture. The jigs are so old that they are worn out and therefore the size designated is probably incorrect. One one would think that a company that makes such a large number of horns and mouthpieces would be more conscientious in remaking the moulds used in making their product. One explanation is the large number of variations offered. In one of their promotions from several years back they said they offered, in their words,” an embarrassment of riches” with a total of over 1,800 different mouthpieces available.
How do you explain all the pro players that play on small diameters, especially players from the 1920s through 1960s? Have you ever seen the late Pete Candoli's piece? It's tiny. Or his brother Conte's 10 3/4CW. And they weren't alone.
Like I've discussed in many videos, there are many pro players beating their lips up with poor technique and small mouthpieces. Just because someone can squash their lips against their teeth and achieve some success, does not mean this is a recommended way to approach trumpet. Small diameter mouthpieces should only be played by people with very small dental structures.
I'm reviewing mouthpiece from left to right as they sit on the wall. I have hundreds more, so the display will move to a different wall in the showroom later this summer to make room for more.
I used a 7c for 2 years before jumping to a 3c. The thing with the 7c is that you could not support notes very well at least for me. The 3C is able to hit high notes with more power and sustainability. The 7c is able to hit high notes but caps off. Personally The 3C is a much better choice for me.
Bach includes a 7c in pretty well every trumpet they sell. I couldn’t use it so I went to a 3c as well, which works for me, but I use other brands as well including two Monette mouthpieces.
You have two extreme variables there. A shallow cup will reduce volume while providing less room for amplitude of the lip vibration which will limit tone quality, control of audible volume, and possible be impossible to play depending on your embouchure. A deep cup will improve tone quality, give more room for lip movement, and increase volume giving the tone more body. A large throat will allow a more broad spectrum of tonal character pass through the tube, which usually results in a more colorful tone until the throat becomes to large to sustain some partials. A small throat limits tone color dramatically, usually removing much of the tonal color and can be more difficult to play with an aperture controlled embouchure due to the very limited air flow opportunity.
@@harrelsontrumpets so the ideal would be to play as deep a cup, and as big a throat as possible and still get the job done? And since I don't believe in magic do everything mouthpiece, that means sacrificing some things in order to get as close to whatever the specific performance requires.
@@92vanguard The ideal mouthpiece setup really depends on your goals. Going large on everything will produce a tone that is more like a trombone than trumpet.
It baffles me that Bach includes a 7C with their Strad models. Strads are typically not purchased by beginners. A 3C would make more sense, but Bach won't change. It was the same in the 1970s.
The Bach 7c is nearly a middle of the road mouthpiece. A mouthpiece which is used by some professional Bach trumpet players. The Bach 3c is only .1 of a mm bigger in diameter than the 7c and the 7c has got a deeper cup which gives a darker sound. There are more smaller dia. mouthpieces above the Bach 7c than there is larger dia. below it.
I don't recall ever learning how inconsistent the manufacturing of these pieces were until very recently. I wonder if that was just the norm at the time with everyone who was making mouthpieces.
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The ones with "MOUNT VERNON" on them (from the fifties) are smaller than the newer ones. Those have a flatter rim also. The newer ones are too round. Many other manufacturers use these old ones as a base for their models. I like the 10.5C which is a scaled down 3C.
I have a 7c ,it came with my trumpet.
I did not choose it.
I have smaller one that i believe is better for reaching high notes.
Im npt experienced enough ...but i think 7c is an average size and warmer sound.
the 7C is very small compared to the 3C, which is average
@@harrelsontrumpets The 3C wasn't considered average until sometime in the 1960s, when a size-shift occurred. Since then, the "bigger is better" philosophy has dominated. But it wasn't always this way. The Schilke 11 is the Herseth model - it's a copy of Adolph Herseth's old Bach NY 7C.
Of course not, it might be the perfect mouthpiece for someone, and is an ideal place to start for anyone while they are deciding what they really feel comfortable with.
I moved from a VB 7C to a VB 9B. I also have a VB 11B. Both of these mouthpieces suit my embouchure better.
Who knows what the Bach 7C is. Depends on the year and how new the equipment was when they cut it.
exactly!
The Bach mouthpieces are variable in size because of their method of manufacture. The jigs are so old that they are worn out and therefore the size designated is probably incorrect. One one would think that a company that makes such a large number of horns and mouthpieces would be more conscientious in remaking the moulds used in making their product. One explanation is the large number of variations offered. In one of their promotions from several years back they said they offered, in their words,” an embarrassment of riches” with a total of over 1,800 different mouthpieces available.
How do you explain all the pro players that play on small diameters, especially players from the 1920s through 1960s? Have you ever seen the late Pete Candoli's piece? It's tiny. Or his brother Conte's 10 3/4CW. And they weren't alone.
Like I've discussed in many videos, there are many pro players beating their lips up with poor technique and small mouthpieces. Just because someone can squash their lips against their teeth and achieve some success, does not mean this is a recommended way to approach trumpet. Small diameter mouthpieces should only be played by people with very small dental structures.
Is there a list of the order you're doing these in? Or is the next one chosen by poll?
I'm reviewing mouthpiece from left to right as they sit on the wall. I have hundreds more, so the display will move to a different wall in the showroom later this summer to make room for more.
I used a 7c for 2 years before jumping to a 3c. The thing with the 7c is that you could not support notes very well at least for me. The 3C is able to hit high notes with more power and sustainability. The 7c is able to hit high notes but caps off. Personally The 3C is a much better choice for me.
Bach includes a 7c in pretty well every trumpet they sell. I couldn’t use it so I went to a 3c as well, which works for me, but I use other brands as well including two Monette mouthpieces.
If diameter were the same, what would be the difference between a very shallow cup with a big throat vs a deep cup and a tight throat?
You have two extreme variables there. A shallow cup will reduce volume while providing less room for amplitude of the lip vibration which will limit tone quality, control of audible volume, and possible be impossible to play depending on your embouchure. A deep cup will improve tone quality, give more room for lip movement, and increase volume giving the tone more body. A large throat will allow a more broad spectrum of tonal character pass through the tube, which usually results in a more colorful tone until the throat becomes to large to sustain some partials. A small throat limits tone color dramatically, usually removing much of the tonal color and can be more difficult to play with an aperture controlled embouchure due to the very limited air flow opportunity.
@@harrelsontrumpets so the ideal would be to play as deep a cup, and as big a throat as possible and still get the job done? And since I don't believe in magic do everything mouthpiece, that means sacrificing some things in order to get as close to whatever the specific performance requires.
@@92vanguard The ideal mouthpiece setup really depends on your goals. Going large on everything will produce a tone that is more like a trombone than trumpet.
It baffles me that Bach includes a 7C with their Strad models. Strads are typically not purchased by beginners. A 3C would make more sense, but Bach won't change. It was the same in the 1970s.
The Bach 7c is nearly a middle of the road mouthpiece. A mouthpiece which is used by some professional Bach trumpet players. The Bach 3c is only .1 of a mm bigger in diameter than the 7c and the 7c has got a deeper cup which gives a darker sound. There are more smaller dia. mouthpieces above the Bach 7c than there is larger dia. below it.
@@davidbarbero6212 I understand. But relatively few Strad players play a 7C. Including a 7C with a TR200 does make sense to me.
@@davidbarbero62120.1 mm is quite a lot
The 5c Getzen mouthpiece is a excellent mouthpiece for high notes.
I wonder if you have any older Callet 7c's from the mid 80's.
I don't believe that I do.
I don't recall ever learning how inconsistent the manufacturing of these pieces were until very recently. I wonder if that was just the norm at the time with everyone who was making mouthpieces.
can you review a Vincent bach 10 3/4 CW? thank you.
Yes