NEW ERA - Is The Airbus A380 Returning?
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- The Airbus A380 seemed dead and buried in 2020. While some airlines would retire the aircraft, others would eventually return it to service. However, equally, some airlines felt they were forced. Why did airlines ground the aircraft, why did they return them to service and what's next for the airline within the industry? This is the story of the A380 and its turbulent few years.
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A380 is a majestic Aircraft.A comfortable aircraft to travel with.
The A380 is the best plane I've ever flown: quiet, comfortable, amenities. Very glad it is coming back!!
Having flown most heavies from the US to both Europe and Asia/Oceana, the A380 is truly the most comfortable and quietest (a hugely underrated feature) plane in the sky. It's my favorite. I wish it were more environmentally friendly. I'd choose it every time.
Airlines operate on operating economics, It's not about your comfort.
I will not fly on any other. Including the new Bowing
@@h.martinsmith7839 good luck with that. I won’t be going many places then.
Oh, I know that well. I was speaking as a pax, not the CFO of an airline.@@johniii8147
The A380 has so much space
I flew Asiana’s A380 twice, once in economy class and once in business class from lax to ICN. Very comfortable plane.
Mega comfortable even in economy lot of space for the legs and 2 inch wider chairs😊
@@Pajtim2023 if you fly in the offseason you get a whole row to yourself.
The 380 is an absolute dream to fly on way superior to any other aircraft in service at the present time, from my home I see 4- 5 a day on approach to LHR a definate increase over the last 12 months. I think some carrier's gave up on the type to quickly (Air France never could get Concorde to work for them either) but long may it continue in service with the existing Airlines.
well I am so glad that some airlines have been using A380, for myself, and at age 82 this year I did take a holiday in Seychelles via DBX from Heathrow and it was a dream with great seating ( economy ), good food and above all you would not even know it was flying at around 40000 feet, very nice cabin crew. the difference in planes when I had to use a Boeing 777 to SEZ; as it is a small island with moderate length runway and the difference was noticeable; especially when there was some turbulence that the 777 flew through. I know Seychelles well, because I first met my wife to be in Seychelles in 1984 when I was on holiday . We are divorced now. I would recommend the A380 to everyone.
Most comfortable plane (for passengers) ever! Smooth & silent!
I have been very lucky and managed to fly the A388 many times with a number of carriers. This aircraft is without doubt my favourite aircraft to fly in….smooth, quiet and luxurious (in terms of space and comfort)….
The return to service of the a380 may be temporary but shows it's significance for now. Nothing quite beats it in high density routes with premium demand
Yes it's temporary as the airlines await the new deliveries. This post pandemic travel boom is also temporary. It's already cooling down. So it made sense to use aircraft they already had for the travel bubble.
Yes it is post pandemic travel bubble .
If the MiddleEast goes up in flames with a wider war and oil embargo happens or terror strikes occur then the bubble will burst .
you weren't asked, stay in your lane@@johniii8147
Emirate will use them until around 2040...
@@jonpetter8921 World has changed .
380 was created to reduce congestion at Mega hubs who were slot constrained
But now no one wants to fly through these mega hubs aka shopping malls like Dubai anymore if they can fly directly to their cities by 787 and 350 .
So bigger planes like 380 are already dinosaurs .
Only stupid people who still love the 380 will go through the Dubai shopping mall .
Most major cities will be connected and are already connected with point to point services by 350-1000 and 787 and 777-8 in the future .
Rare exception is Europe to Australia.
But already Air New Zealand has New York to Auckland non stop and Qantas has NYC to Sydney planned with the latest 350 in near future .
No one now needs to fly through London Amsterdam Frankfurt and Paris .
That is the greatest boon for the smaller airlines who use to pay millions for the slots at these airports
The a380 will be around for décades to come as it is unique
Have flown the 747 in Business class a number of times and it was great. So far not been on a A380, maybe I will soon.
You should - it is another leap further beyond the stability and quiet of the 747; often, in an A380 you will not even feel the landing. Seriously smooth, in the air and on the ground. Fly one soon - we will be using A380s extensively during 2024.
Make a special effort, friend. I just flew home to New Zealand from Dubai on an Emirates A380, non-stop, 16 hours. A great flight, even in cattle class. I could not see one empty seat on it.
I love the 747 I’ve flown on both but I can assure you the a380 in my opinion smashes it on passenger comfort and it is much quieter
The King of the Sky! Most comfortable plane at the moment. And crazy that it flys!
I would like to see the A380 fly short-haul route that has a lot of passengers.
It does every year from UAE to Mecca
@@timberry1135 I meant like fly domestically eg, BKK to CNX.
although not domestic they are only 1-1.5 hr flights@@mckungsmakong
Love the A380 such a comfortable plane to fly on unlike the 777 with it's stale air such an uncomfortable plane.
Totally agree. The 777 is also very noisy.
My suggestion would be to stop traveling economy.
I'm sure an A380 NEO would be a great success.
You're having a laugh!
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Ty dj!!
The engineering, colossal size, and the design of double-decker aircraft, the A380, is worth to be marvelled at. Whenever possible, I tend to choose A380 when making a booking. Several airlines have unique and excellent First class or Suites class in their A380 version only as they do have more floor space available to be used. It is hoped that the A380, and its possible more-efficent future A380 variants continue to become the iconic of human ingenuity in the sky for several more decades to come, following the success of the B747-400 at the end of the 20th century that last for approx. 30 years.
There will be no more A380's built of any variant. Why can't people get this fact into their heads. The A380 will (sadly) be totally gone within 15 years.
High flying demand and increasing slot restrictions at multiple airports lead me to believe that a plane that carries 400+ passengers is sensible, but I know airlines would rather increase the number of daily flights rather than fly more people at once and since that is a more profitable model - of course they will.
And the number of slot restricted airports will continue to increase as air travel continues to spike in demand.
Eventually, Airbus has to consider making a twinjet that can come close to the A380’s capacity at some point in the future. Or if they can’t do that, at least consider lengthening the A350-1000 (something as long as, if not longer than, the A340-600). Likewise with Boeing… if they ever decide to do a 777-10, that would ‘much more closely match the 747’s capacity.
I think the demand for high-capacity jets like the A380 and 747 but in a twinjet configuration will eventually manifest.
@@CoSmicGoesRacing No. They are just expanding the airports in most cases as required.
Airbus may have to reconsider it's retirement! And even come out with a stretched version absolutely!!
Not a chance. The production lines have all been removed and the facility is now producing A32x aircraft. Why would Airbus bring it back for one customer anyway (only Emirates are interested). Although great for passengers and Emirates, for most airlines it is a poor choice of aircraft due to economics and the limited places it can fly to due to infrastructure.
@@timberry1135 That maybe true. But they've learned from situations that arised and could do things a lot smoother and perhaps construct an extension for the A380 manufacture or look to do it elsewhere. Anything is possible.
Correct anything is possible but unless the EU taxpayers are willing to give airbus another 20bn Euros to do it then it will not happen. The A380 is a fantastic aircraft for passenger but is a white elephant for all but 1 airline.@@ronaldcuieii8639
What camera do you use to film when plane spotting?
The A380 is the only long haul plane worth flying on!
Air France MUST be kicking themselves!!!
The A380 shows which airlines are successful and which would struggle anyway. For airports struggling to cope with capacity the A380 is a godsend
As long as there is demand, the most important feature of the A380 is that it is able to offer a solution to said demand from slot restricted airports.
You're not going to be able to fly 2 777X from one slot.
I Love The A380 World Most Passenger Frendly Air Craft
Love the A380
my fave plane. a380. neo ftw
Welcome back A380!
I personally think airbus can reboot the a380 program with a more efficient model than the current. If demand carry’s on in the way that it is I think the major airlines they fly these beauties would make orders for sure.
Yes
New composite folding wings, new engines, slight stretch.
and how will airbus have that money to do all that
@@nickolliver3021emirates should contribute
@@Hypersonic-es6vh They obviously cant because its not the way forward
@@Hypersonic-es6vh and it is your opinion that airbus can do an updated a380. But evidence can prove that your opinion won't happen because factors come first before will into projects like this. Boeing has the sane but efficiency is key
@@Hypersonic-es6vh again I'm telling you airbus can't do it as they won't want to waste money on a project that won't get big sales. Even if they wanted to it may not happen. How is airbus more efficient than Boeing? That was not what I meant
i heard Airbus is working on a A390 neo with 3 engines and max 463 passengers.
Given a situation where you want to fly 500+ passengers in a standard configuration of economy and business passengers, you can accomplish this with a single A380 while 2 777's would be required. Maybe the operating costs for the A380 may be higher but running two 777's must surely be more expensive. An extra plane, two crews, fuelling 2 aircraft et al must certainly make the A380 the more cost effective option. Economics of scale and all that. If you can do with one aircraft to do what otherwise take two, I figure the single aircraft option would be the best option in the long term. I've flown on the A380 from Dubai to Sydney and I only say both the flight and crew on Emirates were excellent.
Middle eastern airlines always made the most sense to me for the Jumbo's, because of their location between EU and Asia.
The A380's comeback is briefly profitable for some, but only due to this nutso time created by the pandemic. ANY aircraft (from ANY era) that only profits when FULL faces a short life. Basically the A380 is a gorgeous aircraft born at the wrong moment, from the OLD side of CHANGING technology. The future lies in the tech of A350s, 787s, and beyond. And may we PLEASE get the 777X into service already? I think this will hush a lot of this A380 chatter in a moment.
I wonder if there are plans or a need for an airplane to provide the same capacity as the 747 or a380?
Not at the moment but I wouldn’t discount that a possibility would be present.
As travel demand grows, the market for VLAs (Very Large Aircraft) would pick up at some point in the future. I’m sure Airbus and Boeing are studying and analyzing carefully what would be the next big innovation in aviation and such would be the big driver in the next generation of aircraft. Having said that, the trend is towards efficiency gains through the use of fuel-efficient engines with larger diameters and in some applications, the use of more advanced materials like Carbon Fibre Composites and Aluminium-Lithium. I’m sure the next big innovation in construction, aerodynamics and design will influence the next clean-sheet designs from Airbus and Boeing.
@@CoSmicGoesRacing Thank you!
@@CoSmicGoesRacing Not really. They have much bigger things they are looking at these days then VLA. Both Airbus and Boeing have accepted it's not worth the huge investment for a small market.
That should be the CASE being the biggest and most popular under travellers and offer so must, beautiful the A380
I would say the Airbus A380 will continue to fly for at least 12 more years.
As of December 2023, at least 15 A380s are retired and scrapped. The most recent A380 that was retired and scrapped ? A6-EDH from Emirates
For majority of airlines, definitely. Qantas and Lufthansa are expected to retire theirs in the early 2030s. Singapore and BA could possibly follow a few years after.
Emirates will definitely the last airline to fly A380s for passenger service.
45+ of the 250 have been retired. Unclear how many of those are scrapped. The retirement number will continue to grow. There is going to another retirement wave coming in 26.
@@johniii8147 yep… Qatar, Korean and Asiana are more than likely going to do exactly that.
@@CoSmicGoesRacing Both have already said so. At Asiana it's all part of the merger with KE that both will retire in 2026 and QR is just waiting for the leases to expire at this point.
I wonder what will be the future of the A380 once the 777-9 _finally_ enters service in early 2025. The 170-plane 777-9 order from Emirates tells me that they (reluctantly) may use the new plane to replace the A380 on many routes.
I have heard they are using them to replace the other 777s
For less dense routes, the 777X will do exactly but it cannot replace the A380 outright for Emirates. The airline’s 777 fleets are aging… especially the -200.
The Dubai carrier has made it clear that they are gonna continue flying the Superjumbo in the 2040s. It’s not just the size and capacity of the A380 but the plane has largely helped build Emirates’s reputation and prestige as one of the world’s top airlines. The A380 is more than just a flagship. It’s become the airline’s sort of trademark if you will.
EK just has to deal with the fact they will be going away. They will have to work with available options as their orders show. EK has a whole game plan in place ( if the goverment funds it) to move their hub in the next 10-15 years to DXB that will be much larger in capacity and allow more frequent departures and smaller aircraft.
@@johniii8147 don’t you mean Al-Maktoum Airport (DWC)? Because wasn’t that the plan initially? DWC has more than enough area to expand while DXB doesn’t. (DWC has one runway presently but is planned to have 5?)
Plus Emirates was also planned to have a dedicated terminal at DWC but that hasn’t happened… yet.
@@CoSmicGoesRacing That was the plan but Dubai ran out of money on it an pulled the funding. Remains to been seen if it will ever happen at this point. There are talks now it's back on but we shall see. The airline and airports all 100% goverment owned so I'm sure their all kinds of internal politics going on on what will happen.
I don't think emirates is giving up the a380
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A380 and the 747 are vastly superior aircraft for passengers, the airlines who keep them longer term will see higher demand than flying a narrow body long distance, even depending on the route can be a massive difference, I was looking at flights for next year from one airline they had the 787 flying from my city then the next city 1hr away they had the a380, because of this business class seats on the 777 from my city was 7,000 and from the city 1 hr over was 5,000 so I opted to purchase busiess class for 5,000 on the a380 a superior product and then it was a simple $300 business class flight for 1hr into the larger city where I can also enjoy a larger and better airport lounge too. I think I would die if I had to do econonmy travel for more than 2hrs on a small narrow body
A 380 is the best plane ever to travel on.and A 350 on second.
If Emirates improve costs by having more efficient engines this could snowball across market the 380 will be around for a longtime safer comfy snd better cabin ilove so much slways fly one
It will be gone in 15 years. New engine types would be horrendously expensive to bring in with no realistic economic case to do it for any airline.
Interesting that Lufthansa is keeping their 747s in the air.
Same with Asiana, Air China and Korean Air. (Asiana is interesting because it’s the only one that does not have the 747-8 but still flies its -400s for passenger service)
@@CoSmicGoesRacing Asiana has a total of 1 still flying in commercial service. The other 2 carriers have only a few operating of the 747-8
LH has always been a odd ball with it fleet.
No!
Best plane. Ever. Ending its production was dumb. Passengers love it, want it. But of course the greedy airlines, who clearly do not care about passenger comfort and happiness at all, only care about screwing everyone for as much profit as possible.
My personal opinion, there are simply too many airlines, offering horrible experiences, with their cramped, tiny seats and cabins. Survival of the fittest needs to come in to play more with these disgusting companies. The A380 offers the best experience and people will choose it and pay to fly on it. I certainly do and will. Airlines screwing the public need to go under.
Why was it dumb ? While being a great aircraft for passengers, for most airlines it was an economic basket case and never had a chance of being economical for Airbus or most airlines. Just because you want Airlines to run at a loss (and eventually go under) doesnt make ending the A380 a dumb idea, in fact it was the most sensible option available.
If yes, It will be the A380NEO and Emirates will more likely be the first to fly the New a380 even if it was not the first to Operate the A380
Stop that nonsense. That idea was killed long time ago now. The 380 program is SHUT DOWN, supply chain closed, and production space already relocated to what actually sells
There will be no A380NEO. The production facilities have be repurposed and the A380 tooling is completely gone, never to return.
@@timberry1135 we know this. They moved on
So the A380 will never return!
Psssst…it’s NOT a ‘v a c c i n e’…. 0:06
It’s already clear that the industry needs a replacement that size. There’s slot constrained routes where the airlines are flying several A380s a day, apparently full. Replacing them with anything else currently available represents market contraction.
A two deck twin mega jet is possibly the answer. It will be attractive to only 1 or 2 airlines. No one particularly wants to build it for a small number of airlines. But it needs to be built otherwise the market stops growing… An issue with point to point is that the successful routes are going to get slot constrained too, if they’re not already.
What will happen as usual is that the US airlines will mistake profits for success, airlines like Emirates who get market share is the key to succes will drive expansion, the European airlines will prevaricate. If the Chinese economy recovers, there could be significant extra demand from there.
Emirates in particular need more of them. They operate a large and very popular fleet and can seemingly sell tickets for them. Then they dump you into old 777-ERs, in theory to be replaced by 777-9.
Thing is the -9 is not flying in service and may turn out to be a dud, especially at 10 across. What then? Other smaller like Turkish airlines are going to A350, and will be able to offer all A350 routings for passengers. That could be more popular than an Emirates A380 / 777-9 combo. Then what?
The A380 should’ve done that for the Chinese aviation market. Reality couldn’t be any further from the truth.
China Southern was the only one to order the type (5 of them in fact) but they did not get the chance to properly optimise them for their routes. They ended up retiring all 5 by the end of Q3 this year.
Shame really because given that China has 1.4B people, the A380 had the capacity to operate flights between different corners of China and also globally.
Actually the opposite is true. The market has spoken loud an clear they DO NOT want such a large aircraft. Those routes you speak of are few and far between. Airlines also learned they actually make more money constrained capacity. Can charge more rather than chasing cheap seats to fill out a huge plane.
@@johniii8147 Tell that to airlines flying into busy, slot-constrained airports with full capacities and no way of increasing revenues. You cannot indefinitely leverage supply constraint to higher revenue without killing off demand completely. Besides, you get weird effects where an A380 is cheaper to land than a smaller aircraft, because the airport gets more sales in the duty free that way.
It's only really Emirates that have made it work, and it's Emirates who made / make it very clear that they want more A380 like aircraft. They're kill for an A380neo. At some point Airbus is going to have to cave in and do it, even though they're reluctant to do so for just one airline. If Dubai buys a stake in Airbus, they may be obliged to do it that way. If the market for aviation cannot expand in certain key routes without it, ultimately it's Airbus too that will leaving money on the table.
Airbus do not have to cave and do it as you put it. The production facilities are gone as is the tooling and supply chains. Face it, The A380's that are currently in existence are the last that there will ever be.@@abarratt8869
While I am not by any mrabs overly enamored of the A380, I bear it no ill will either. That being said, the one thing it does bring to the table is capacity in busy, slot-starved congested hubs(exception of course DXB)
Whilst the A380 is great for customer comfort and for slot restricted airports, something that wasn't mentioned in this video is the global shift away from the hub and spoke model and a pretty significant shift towards a point to point model. This is likely one of the major factors for the slow sales prior to the end of production of the A380, with airlines picking up types more suited to the point to point model like the 787 and A350.
Another point that wasn't mentioned is that there are only a handful of airports worldwide that can support the A380, although those airports do tend to be the larger, more slot restricted airports as I mentioned earlier. In an airport like Tokyo's Haneda airport, airlines have to fight tooth and nail for those A380 slots whilst there are less slot restrictions if flying a different aircraft type.
I do love flying on the A380, but I'm afraid the days are numbered. I do wonder what will happen to airports that converted stands to support dual-level boarding. Post-retirement, will the airport spend the money to convert the stand back to the original, or will it continue to be a sad reminder of the good times when the A380 was still flying?
Not really. Most long haul travel international travel continues to be ( and will continue to be) hub and spoke. The death of hub and spoke is way over hyped. What has changed is the smaller long distance aircraft has allowed connecting the hubs to smaller spokes or right sizing aircraft to a routes.
A350 can fly wherever A380 can fly , but more efficiently and with fewer passengers .
I loved the Airbus A380 during the time it was produced because of its spacious cabin. Now, as the aviation industry is achieving net-zero carbon emissions by the end of 2050, leading into 2051, I think all of the airlines operating the Airbus A340, A380, and Boeing 747 should replace these quad-engined widebodies with more fuel-efficient twin-engined widebodies such as the Airbus A330neos, A350 XWBs, Boeing 777Xs, and 787 Dreamliners.
yes, cuz that is the only way i travel. and also A350
thats not the reason why it should
Old news
The comeback of the A380 is just due to delay in the deliveries of 777x and other wide body jets.
Every airline who has an A380 is just utilising their block investment.
I am not sure if Boeing is to be trusted anymore, the quality control is non-existent, and they keep asking to be exempt from so many checks, see the latest coverage of the 737 Max. If it happened on 6-7 of their 737 max planes, be sure this happened and will happen to all their new aircraft, they are all ticking time bombs. I think the industry will keep their A380s for a while.
A380 is the best jet ever though
"Pandemic"
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To bring it back? The a380 cannot just be put back into production and it would have to be a whole new airframe. To even suggest it will be put back into production is farce. The a380 line is the a350 line now. Airbus would just produce a larger twin. The fact the a380 is a big news story two times a week is getting overly dramatic now. Yes, people are flying. The a380 is still a pig on fuel. The costs to fly it exceed just the aircraft operational costs but also the infrastructure involved with airport costs…….
U really have not watched the video , have u ? They are not talking about putting the A380 back in production but whether the planes that got mothballed during covid would be again all be operational . Something that’s already happening , albeit not all. Some will be scrapped , many are flying again .
Dude, give up on the A380, ultimately it is on the way out. It is a great plane, but it does not make financial sense for the Airlines. Even Emirates used it more from a marketing perspective. Every Emirates A380 I flew on was half empty.
So every Emirates A380 was half full 😊
One could say the same about the 747, Ik there’s a lot of 747 whining about it in these comments.
The A380 likely will only stay around until the 777X is certified. This is a stop gap measure.
I am not sure if Boeing is to be trusted anymore, the quality control is non-existent, and they keep asking to be exempt from so many checks, see the latest coverage of the 737 Max. If it happened on 6-7 of their 737 max planes, be sure this happened and will happen to all their new aircraft, including the "new" 777X, they are all ticking time bombs. I think the industry will keep their A380s for a while
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Grow up.
Just to be clear, I don't believe that any airline loves the A380, except maybe Emirates. Airlines that fly them do so as a matter of necessity, not adoration.
why cant just fanboys move on from the a380. it aint making a comeback! 😂
Stop saying pandemic
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