Norman Finkelstein debates Hebron spokesperson on voting rights of Palestinians in Israel

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  • čas přidán 14. 05. 2024
  • During a debate on Piers Morgan Uncensored on Tuesday, American political scientist Norman Finkelstein pressed the spokesperson for Hebron’s Jewish settler community, Yishai Fleisher, on whether he would accept Palestinians voting in Israeli elections after Fleisher argued that Israel should take over the occupied West Bank and Gaza and turn its current residents into Israeli citizens.
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  • @anwaralisayed9767
    @anwaralisayed9767 Před 19 dny +1358

    "A settlers vision for the future of Israel" let that sink in.

    • @Totajee79
      @Totajee79 Před 19 dny +54

      Exactly!

    • @stunns2003
      @stunns2003 Před 19 dny +108

      Yes, I caught that sophistry as well.
      Might as well have called it a ‘Colonial’s Vision’ or an ‘Oppressor’s Vision’

    • @Libyan_anti_genocidele
      @Libyan_anti_genocidele Před 19 dny +56

      It's almost if they're making a parody or something

    • @Lance-Oakland
      @Lance-Oakland Před 19 dny +65

      They are arrogant criminals.

    • @jchan9761
      @jchan9761 Před 19 dny +1

      If native americans can have US voting rights and citizenship, why cannot Palestinians have israeli voting rights and citizenship? Answer: Isreal is a racist project.

  • @ascase
    @ascase Před 19 dny +1188

    So 5 options and none of them gives the Palestinians equal rights 🤔

    • @globalist1990
      @globalist1990 Před 19 dny +113

      And when he finally admits he disagrees with one person, one vote, piers then asks him to stop talking. Damage control.

    • @jimbob3030
      @jimbob3030 Před 19 dny

      Well of course, can't have a jewish state with a palestinian majority so they're obviously never going to allow that.
      So apartheid or EC or gee cide, maybe they will hold a vote as the only democracy in the middle east?

    • @djpaulcfunkeddub3951
      @djpaulcfunkeddub3951 Před 19 dny +8

      @@globalist1990 LOL

    • @funtimefoxy6699
      @funtimefoxy6699 Před 19 dny

      Palestinians are given the rights they deserve. Gaza was handed over to the PA on a silver platter - and they shit all over that platter.

    • @mohamedismail2485
      @mohamedismail2485 Před 19 dny +1

      The "so called" Palestinians according to the zionist coward!

  • @FayesFood
    @FayesFood Před 19 dny +1005

    "so-called Palestinians"...that guy is disgusting.

    • @emilymorton6510
      @emilymorton6510 Před 19 dny

      It's so called Israel to be factually correct. It's existence is blasphemous and is opposed to Judaism.

    • @jamesthompson9003
      @jamesthompson9003 Před 19 dny +9

      That's just a name that the Romans referred to the people of the Levant as - so there was literally no such thing as 'Palestinians' before ancient European colonizers called the region that. Also you can find no shortage of people in this comment section alone who would say that Israel is an illegitimate state and there are no such thing as 'Israelis'. These are all just arbitrary names of made-up nations (as all nations are) - nobody is denying the existence of ethnic-Arabs and ethnic-Jews

    • @HumanBeingsRThinkingBeings
      @HumanBeingsRThinkingBeings Před 19 dny +24

      Mind Begs the Question:
      - Dehumanizing a group of people as Rats is Fascist
      - Dehumanizing a group of people as Human Animals is Not Fascist?

    • @inctimber
      @inctimber Před 19 dny

      They say this because Israel is truly just recently a made up thing that has no legitimacy, so they try to project

    • @akmal94ibrahim
      @akmal94ibrahim Před 19 dny

      They also like to call palestinians living in Israel as Arab Israelis in order to remove their Palestinian heritage.

  • @magdalenegoodwill5878
    @magdalenegoodwill5878 Před 19 dny +623

    This guy is gaslighting people.
    Manipulation at its best.
    Well done again for showing his true colours.
    Norman is the best.

    • @jchan9761
      @jchan9761 Před 19 dny +15

      He has a channel on YT and it is filled with his lies.

    • @shelbeg7228
      @shelbeg7228 Před 19 dny +24

      I think all their spokespeople are trained in it. They all follow they same script.

    • @optimus2g
      @optimus2g Před 19 dny +14

      All they do is lie.

    • @michaelfisher1537
      @michaelfisher1537 Před 19 dny

      self hating Jew - he disgusts me with his lies

    • @user-rd7ek9ve3r
      @user-rd7ek9ve3r Před 19 dny +17

      Conman, smiling and avoiding the question. Like most politicians. No integrity or humility. Normans honestly, clarity and lack of word salad stands out.

  • @Anigmama
    @Anigmama Před 19 dny +484

    Yishai Fleisher was born in Haifa to Soviet parents and grew up in the U.S. But denies the existence of Palestinians and feels he has more rights than Arabs who have lived in the region for generations?

    • @jimbohouston
      @jimbohouston Před 19 dny +34

      We call that 'chutzpah'

    • @yomismo6969
      @yomismo6969 Před 19 dny +46

      So he was from another country far away from that land called israel and he can be a citizen of that land. But a palestinian that was born in that land and was expelled from it can't be a citizen of that land? Morgan really tried to do damage control.

    • @gnostic268
      @gnostic268 Před 19 dny +38

      Settlers are always like that. Obnoxious and entitled as hell. B.S. machines

    • @Tabish29
      @Tabish29 Před 19 dny +4

      ​@@jimbohoustonlooks like "we" have zero shame

    • @michaelfisher1537
      @michaelfisher1537 Před 19 dny +2

      we Jews go back 3700 years

  • @Thearvdr
    @Thearvdr Před 19 dny +497

    That man has the audacity to tell that Palestinian home is Jordan.A bold face liar .

    • @michaelfisher1537
      @michaelfisher1537 Před 19 dny +5

      Jordan is palestinian home

    • @Ntuthu-ZA
      @Ntuthu-ZA Před 19 dny +9

      @@michaelfisher1537 and Poland, Russia etc?

    • @lizbethartemis4886
      @lizbethartemis4886 Před 19 dny

      great story tellers 😂😂

    • @JojoJoget
      @JojoJoget Před 19 dny +5

      @@lunarvvolf9606 you can say the same about Americans with dual citizenships, worse actually, Israelis could become politicians and run US politics, like how Blinken does

    • @alizakessler
      @alizakessler Před 19 dny +1

      He is right. Many came from Jordan and Egypt and Lebanon and Syria

  • @tachikoma7757
    @tachikoma7757 Před 19 dny +446

    Dr. Norman saw through the twisted snakes ruse. Bravo!

    • @HumanBeingsRThinkingBeings
      @HumanBeingsRThinkingBeings Před 19 dny +2

      Mind Begs the Question:
      - If a Govt stage WMD Hoax
      - Govt can't stage Terrorist Attack
      - To manufacture justification,consent
      - For Ethnic Cleansing,Total Occupation?

    • @akmal94ibrahim
      @akmal94ibrahim Před 19 dny +10

      He was smirking at the end there when this Yishai guy can only say "I accept that that is something to be discussed". Can see through his bs.

    • @alizakessler
      @alizakessler Před 19 dny +1

      Norman is a disgraceful liar

    • @akmal94ibrahim
      @akmal94ibrahim Před 19 dny +8

      @@alizakessler and what are the lies?

    • @alizakessler
      @alizakessler Před 19 dny

      @@akmal94ibrahim he called Hamas resistance fighters and oppressed people who have a right to kill Israelis. He called Yishai a war criminal for living in his own land.

  • @mmm-mq3zr
    @mmm-mq3zr Před 19 dny +163

    One side is calm, cool and collected...
    The other side is boisterous, nervous and interrupting.
    Tell you all you need to know...

  • @TheGaz981
    @TheGaz981 Před 19 dny +196

    Vote next door, but live subjugated by my occupier in my own home. Laughable.

    • @fredflinstone6601
      @fredflinstone6601 Před 19 dny

      If Palestinians accept, in a few years they would be ethnically cleansed with the excuse that they’re citizens of Jordan. These “people “ are scom, and few are falling for their scheming/lying shite anymore. Israelie!

    • @alizakessler
      @alizakessler Před 19 dny +1

      Israel isn't an occupier. It is their land

    • @fredflinstone6601
      @fredflinstone6601 Před 19 dny +9

      @@alizakessler lol!

    • @czarkusa2018
      @czarkusa2018 Před 19 dny +15

      @@alizakessler I'm on my way to "not occupy" your house :)

    • @alizakessler
      @alizakessler Před 18 dny

      @@czarkusa2018 nothing is being occupied

  • @user-do1ej9ub4n
    @user-do1ej9ub4n Před 19 dny +300

    imagine being proud of authoring an article titled "A settlers vision for the future of Israel". it doesnt get more evil

    • @alizakessler
      @alizakessler Před 19 dny

      He isn't evil

    • @feralmode
      @feralmode Před 19 dny +14

      and the new york times goes ahead and publishes it as if it's some cute taylor swift lyrics and not a genocidal manifesto.

    • @feralmode
      @feralmode Před 19 dny +3

      @@alizakessler yes he is. ok maybe he isn't evil but his actions are. maybe he's just insane.

    • @alizakessler
      @alizakessler Před 19 dny

      @@feralmode Yes Norman is evil. Called this man a war criminal for living in his own land. Shameful

    • @feralmode
      @feralmode Před 19 dny +8

      @@alizakessler wow. you guys are special. he called him a war criminal because he stole the land from other people. this is against international law, my friend. although i'm sure you'll try to claim some 2000 year old book says the land is his.

  • @Cynthia_5479
    @Cynthia_5479 Před 19 dny +265

    lol I would’ve called him “the other guest” too, I love Norman so much he wasn’t even trying to slam him but he absolutely did .

    • @spamfilter32
      @spamfilter32 Před 19 dny +16

      Norman is known to throw shade like that actually. I give him props for it. Norm was subtly letting the audience know that the other guests ideas are as worthy of being remembered as his name is.

    • @taherabunama4559
      @taherabunama4559 Před 19 dny +1

      💯

    • @joansbeef4035
      @joansbeef4035 Před 19 dny +1

      Games played by ficklenormanston are quite insane, hopefully it's real games and not senile.

    • @beebeemo
      @beebeemo Před 19 dny

      @@joansbeef4035no, you’re either too brainwashed, too evil, too delusional, or too dumb to understand… or a combination of those things, which is more likely.

    • @spamfilter32
      @spamfilter32 Před 19 dny

      @joansbeef4035 hello Nazi.

  • @PSP18128
    @PSP18128 Před 19 dny +129

    Norman You nailed it again bravo!

    • @alizakessler
      @alizakessler Před 19 dny +1

      Nope. He lied

    • @PSP18128
      @PSP18128 Před 19 dny

      @@alizakessler ok hasbara bot who has no father-figure who is part of the sU!c!d3 squad

  • @NobuhikuObayashi
    @NobuhikuObayashi Před 19 dny +173

    lol I would’ve called him “the other guest” too, I love Norman so much he wasn’t even trying to slam him but he absolutely did 😂

    • @miriamschiro8585
      @miriamschiro8585 Před 19 dny +1

      Exactly 😂 He did slam him in the manner of possessing the three C’s cool calm and collective 😁
      The other quest was extremely defensive as all Zionist are with their disgusting idiocy

    • @ascase
      @ascase Před 19 dny +5

      It was either "the other guest" or "Mr. Fisherprice"

    • @spamfilter32
      @spamfilter32 Před 19 dny +3

      No, Norm was throwing shade deliberately. He was letting the audience know that the "other gueats" ideas are as worthy of being remembered as his name is.

    • @alizakessler
      @alizakessler Před 19 dny

      Norman is a liar

    • @spamfilter32
      @spamfilter32 Před 19 dny +2

      @@alizakessler no, that's just you.

  • @user-ln2cj1ig5h
    @user-ln2cj1ig5h Před 19 dny +354

    Free Palestine 🇵🇸

    • @pacmanmcgavin7034
      @pacmanmcgavin7034 Před 19 dny +1

      It was free...

    • @user-ln2cj1ig5h
      @user-ln2cj1ig5h Před 19 dny

      @@pacmanmcgavin7034 people turned a blind eye when the holocaust was happening.. knowing the truth.. pretending it wasn’t happening.. never again to anyone

    • @user-ln2cj1ig5h
      @user-ln2cj1ig5h Před 19 dny

      @@pacmanmcgavin7034 I suggest you watch Tantura it’s a Israeli documentary… denying the truth will get you nowhere. Eventually, truth comes out.

    • @geraltofrivia9424
      @geraltofrivia9424 Před 19 dny +3

      ​@@pacmanmcgavin7034And now it is not

    • @edosandzo
      @edosandzo Před 19 dny +5

      ​@@pacmanmcgavin7034 And it will be free again God willing!

  • @james123783
    @james123783 Před 19 dny +20

    He outright says that he doesn't like the idea of everyone having a vote. Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the only "democratic" country in the Middle East.

  • @Randomfoibles
    @Randomfoibles Před 19 dny +66

    Let them speak and they will show you who they are.

  • @jonuzmiftari8112
    @jonuzmiftari8112 Před 19 dny +40

    He said "the so called Palestinians”. In other words Palestinians dont exist for him

    • @alizakessler
      @alizakessler Před 19 dny

      They don't. They are called arabs

    • @aliragh
      @aliragh Před 18 dny

      Israeli's are a 20th century made up identity.
      These people are in fact, Ukrainians, Polish, Americans, Australians, Canadians, English, Germans, Dutch, Spanish, Moroccans, Iranians, Iraqi's, Saudi's, Indie's, Russians, Hungarians, Austrians, Italians, Greeks, Romanians, Mexicans, Brazilians, Nigerians, Ethiopians, Algerians, Libyans, Sudanese, Egyptians, Kenyans, South Africans and likely a whole lot bigger list of people from around the globe with a shared religious affinity.
      It is a fact that so called Israeli's are no more than migrants, settlers, invaders, colonizers, what ever name you wish to label them as, but anything but indigenous or native for the most part.
      Palestinian Israeli's ofc are native to the lands whether Jewish, Muslim or Christian.
      But all those that migrated to these lands during the 20th century have little to absolutely no historical connection to these lands.
      A religious connection sure, but not a genetic one.
      That belief is a farce, a joke, a ruse, a distraction all meant to politically gain support from fools or otherwise make people turn away from the actual truth of what Israel really is all about.
      Hint: Colonization, geopolitical power and political influence.

    • @eypu999
      @eypu999 Před 15 dny

      Of course they don’t 😂
      As most Zios believe

  • @StHat20
    @StHat20 Před 19 dny +68

    This Israeli guy spun what Norman was saying.
    Norman never said that genocide was the only option.
    I find whenever I listen to a pro Israeli they speak quickly, spin the other persons’ comments and don’t answer the other persons comments.

    • @MaryLou5239
      @MaryLou5239 Před 19 dny +5

      I agree 💯

    • @HolocaustShmolocaust
      @HolocaustShmolocaust Před 19 dny

      Conmen and street criminals speak like that.

    • @alizakessler
      @alizakessler Před 19 dny

      Norman is a sick liar

    • @dominozonda
      @dominozonda Před 17 dny +2

      They are really manipulative with no morals
      Just trying to manipulate the audience and silence the other guest by continuously interrupting them

  • @peacekeeper9496
    @peacekeeper9496 Před 19 dny +15

    Did he just say...be a citizen of Israel but vote in Jordan? 🤣 Is this guy out of his mind????

  • @Donttouchme22387
    @Donttouchme22387 Před 19 dny +51

    I love how Norman calls their bs all the time

  • @fazilm1
    @fazilm1 Před 19 dny +103

    What a crock of $h!t. Vote in Jordan but residents here? Here in Israel or Occupied Palestine? He actually referred to Jordan as Palestinian Jordan their country? Why not let them become citizens of Israel with equal voting rights as Norman said? This guy's line is not a serious argument. And he actually wrote this in the new York times and proud of it. What were the editors thinking of. But then again it is the New York Times...what do you expect?

    • @Mailrobot
      @Mailrobot Před 19 dny

      NYT is financed by the Israeli lobby

    • @joansbeef4035
      @joansbeef4035 Před 19 dny

      Baby steps lads, small victory one thing at a time. For example, the immigrants first moved into Germany, lived there for years, reproduce and populate, build a stronghold, and now demand for shariah law and rights. It's all about the strat, we islam know da way. Free palestine, we will rule the world.

    • @BamBamGT1
      @BamBamGT1 Před 19 dny +1

      Psst. Everyone in the West Bank had the Jordanian nationality untill 1988, well beyond 1967. It was only then that Jordan revoked their Jordanian nationality under pressure from the Arab League and handed over the authority to the PLO. That's when Jordanian citizens became the stateless Palestinians overnight.

    • @lizbethartemis4886
      @lizbethartemis4886 Před 19 dny +2

      Yisrael took land from Jordan during 6 day war.

    • @fazilm1
      @fazilm1 Před 19 dny +7

      @BamBamGT1 nonsense. The west bank and east Jerusalem were "administered" by Jordan and the Gaza strip by Egypt. They were not Jordanian citizens. Go back and read the Balfour declaration and the British mandate. Israel was given statehood in the UN but not the remaining territories in which the Arab Palestinians lived. But they were there long before Europe jews arrived.

  • @msaadah1223
    @msaadah1223 Před 19 dny +11

    Living in Israel as "residents" and only given voting rights for a completely different country. What the actual fuck

  • @retrofedora7061
    @retrofedora7061 Před 19 dny +25

    "A settler vision for the future i3roel ". Well atleast he realizes they are "settler" & not the indigenous.
    The way "the other guest" tried to gaslight, twisting Norman's word & running from the question is so repugnant.

  • @erifkind
    @erifkind Před 19 dny +110

    Debating a Zionist is pointless. It’s like trying to teach a cat to play chess.

    • @Truthorfib
      @Truthorfib Před 19 dny

      Dude doesnt even live there (Parents are from the Soviet Union and Grew up in the states) and is basically doing what the Europeans did to the natives of America, Australia, and Canada.

    • @Tabish29
      @Tabish29 Před 19 dny +15

      A cat will one day play chess. A zio will go on till their last days lying and being victims.

    • @jimmybones4708
      @jimmybones4708 Před 19 dny

      ​@@Tabish29Most Americans I think like 87% don't even know what a Zionist is. There still trying to name the VP.

    • @4everVone
      @4everVone Před 19 dny +9

      Exactly!!! They are all narcists and are always shouting thruw their debates...

    • @ibrahimkhalilrazu9653
      @ibrahimkhalilrazu9653 Před 19 dny +3

      So true! You can’t teach math to a dinkey

  • @mohamedismail2485
    @mohamedismail2485 Před 19 dny +27

    "so called" Palestinians??? WOW!!!

    • @alizakessler
      @alizakessler Před 19 dny +1

      Yup. They were called Arabs before 1948

    • @aibdraco01
      @aibdraco01 Před 18 dny

      @@alizakessler If I'm X, I won't want anyone to call me Y. Period!!!

    • @eypu999
      @eypu999 Před 15 dny

      ⁠​⁠@@alizakessler
      Ppl can have 2 identities 😮 one is ethnicity one is a nation identity.
      The Palestinian Citizenship Order 1925 was a law of Mandatory Palestine that created a Palestinian citizenship for residents of the territory of Palestine Mandate.

  • @timkbirchico8542
    @timkbirchico8542 Před 19 dny +52

    Norman speaks the truth clearly and fearlessly. Well done Mr. Finkelstein.

    • @alizakessler
      @alizakessler Před 19 dny +1

      He speaks lies

    • @timkbirchico8542
      @timkbirchico8542 Před 19 dny

      @@alizakessler So, you are a Zionist?

    • @alizakessler
      @alizakessler Před 18 dny

      @@timkbirchico8542 proud zionist

    • @timkbirchico8542
      @timkbirchico8542 Před 18 dny

      @@alizakessler Hi, we can all see the nature of zionism expressed by members of the Knesset, Netanyahu, the military and the Israeli media. And of course the ICJ Prima Facie case accusation of genocide in Gaza. It is time for you to re assess your proud zionism. The rest of the world is against zionism. Zionism sets itself aside from the goyim, therefore it is exclusive. That is racism defined. You probably have a good heart but have been misled into the wrong headedness of zionism. Peace to you Aliza

    • @shovanbijoy7136
      @shovanbijoy7136 Před 16 dny +1

      ​@@alizakesslerproud racist huh

  • @lovemamahouse
    @lovemamahouse Před 19 dny +69

    I like how Norman talks.

    • @Citizen052
      @Citizen052 Před 19 dny +1

      you cannot bullshit him

    • @crunkalac
      @crunkalac Před 19 dny

      God forbid anyone takes time to think about what they're saying too. Such a faux pas.

    • @alizakessler
      @alizakessler Před 19 dny

      He is a liar

    • @johnsmith1474
      @johnsmith1474 Před 19 dny

      Yes a lovely voice, so easy to listen to, so smooth.

    • @redacted3740
      @redacted3740 Před 15 dny

      ​@@alizakessler Maybe you're just too stupid to understand what he's actually saying

  • @VTFWTF
    @VTFWTF Před 19 dny +12

    The guests who isn't Norman admitted that he does not want the palestinians to have the right to vote.

  • @zainvvallee3966
    @zainvvallee3966 Před 19 dny +33

    These settlers don't believe in Equal rights.

    • @alizakessler
      @alizakessler Před 19 dny +1

      He isn't a settler. It is his land.

    • @zainvvallee3966
      @zainvvallee3966 Před 19 dny +2

      @@alizakessler He says he is a Settler

    • @alizakessler
      @alizakessler Před 18 dny

      @@zainvvallee3966 he is not a settler in his own land

    • @zainvvallee3966
      @zainvvallee3966 Před 17 dny

      @@alizakessler how most of the came from Europe

  • @beretta0222
    @beretta0222 Před 19 dny +29

    "A settlers vision for the future of Israel" Is this guy serious??

  • @alabiabdulwasiu6156
    @alabiabdulwasiu6156 Před 19 dny +55

    Just for those who might not get the question asked by Norman or it's implications and why Yisai avoided it like a plague is that if he agreed - which of course he and other Israelis will never agree to - then Israel will become the minority while Palestinians will become the majority hence becoming the ruler/government since the deal in the question is that "one man, one vote".
    Check how Norman smile almost at the end of the video. Cos if the Israeli society will really want such, then their won't be a need for committing genocide in the first place.
    Always love Norman for being a thousand steps ahead of those Zionist.😂😂😂😂

    • @SeanCrosser
      @SeanCrosser Před 19 dny +8

      They need to maintain and uphold demographic majority so that they can keep Israel as an ethnostate.

    • @edwickford2377
      @edwickford2377 Před 19 dny

      I don't get it ; why should Israel allow people who wish to rid the world of Jews become a majority in their country ?

    • @entahlah88
      @entahlah88 Před 19 dny +1

      He knows Norman asking the right question, and he's losing the argument , trying his best to make Norman look like a fool by his fake positive acting.. but Norman already checkmate him up, hahaha

    • @edwickford2377
      @edwickford2377 Před 19 dny

      I see what you are saying, so effectively Hamas will become the new government and will then carry on with their aim of riding the world of Jews , including Norman. No wonder, he was asking that !

    • @alabiabdulwasiu6156
      @alabiabdulwasiu6156 Před 18 dny +1

      @@edwickford2377 A quick one, please define "world of Jews"?

  • @ahmmustafakamal696
    @ahmmustafakamal696 Před 19 dny +68

    The other person who is debating Norman was so insignificant that he has to tell time and time that his name is …..

  • @waqmanime
    @waqmanime Před 19 dny +129

    He doesnt accept there is only genocide. No that is the approach they are taking.

    • @globalist1990
      @globalist1990 Před 19 dny +15

      @@tafferskithe ratio is one "military personnel" to 9 civilians. Btw, palestine has no army. They're civilian insurgents.

    • @tafferski
      @tafferski Před 19 dny

      @@globalist1990 No, it's 4:1, at worse. And now that it had been found that the number of dead is actually lower than we thought it is, the ratio is probably around 2:1.

    • @VDOless
      @VDOless Před 19 dny +8

      ​@tafferski tell me, what really happens to you if you guys finally admit that it's a genocide?

    • @mariahewitt9787
      @mariahewitt9787 Před 19 dny +7

      ​@@tafferski
      Hasbara is Not Cutting it...

    • @tafferski
      @tafferski Před 19 dny +1

      ​@@globalist1990 It's 4:1 at worse, and now that it had been found that the number of dead is actually lower than speculated, it's probably around 2:1.

  • @Ryka_Mac
    @Ryka_Mac Před 19 dny +9

    Yishai, what a weirdo, like a gaslighting salesman.

  • @user-ti2kb8ho4z
    @user-ti2kb8ho4z Před 19 dny +72

    Yes, my dear brothers, my beloved Palestine is the cradle of Christianity and Judaism, and it contains Al-Aqsa, the third holiest place for us Muslims in Palestine. Bethlehem, the cradle of Christ, is a blessed land, and it is the holy land, and it has been our land for tens of thousands of years, and it is the land of the Canaanite Arabs, the original Palestinian people, and they have lived in it since the Islamic conquest in the era. The Umayyad, Abbasid and Ottoman Arabs, Muslims, Christians and Jews are like brothers and neighbors under Palestinian rule to the owners of the land, but the Zionists came and the British occupation brought them to our land as compensation to the Jews for what they did to them Hitler. The question here is that who did the Holocaust, the Germans, why do I, the Palestinian Arab, pay the price? Why not Germany? Why do I, the Muslim, pay the price for crimes? Committed by the Germans and Nazi Europe, fascism is the root of all evil in the world. Our problem is the occupation💚❤️💚🇵🇸☝️

    • @robertoaguadogarcia3600
      @robertoaguadogarcia3600 Před 19 dny

      Careful. When you go that back in history you play their game. They will tell you they had Hebron 3500 years ago, and so they can expand Jewish neighbourhoods where Palestinians end up being forced out one way or another. Same with the villages. But current international law is not about that. History does not give anyone the right to expel someone from a house that has inherited from their parents. And this goes both ways -- with many settlements you should make "tabula rasa", in line with what Olmert proposed, even if those settlements were illegal two decades ago. The thing is that this madness must stop, even though both the majority of Israelis and the majority of Palestinians disagree. Recognize current settlements, OK, but stop at once, make IDF disengage from the West Bank, strictly forbid future settlements, and recognize the Palestinian State as well!

    • @alizakessler
      @alizakessler Před 19 dny

      There is no Palestine and that mosque is built on the ruins of 2 Temples

  • @alwayzurboy
    @alwayzurboy Před 19 dny +16

    He set a trap and let him tell on himself. Masterful.

  • @bliss448
    @bliss448 Před 19 dny +25

    A genocide by any other name is still a genocide.

  • @ahmeda.3198
    @ahmeda.3198 Před 19 dny +18

    By the way, on the B’Tselem channel is a video of ‘settlers’ from Hebron who look like cavemen, and one of them is literally clubbing a group of women for daring to hike on the hills of Hebron, which is outside of Israel’s official borders.

  • @kenzieworld197
    @kenzieworld197 Před 19 dny +12

    Notice he never answered the question just rambled on and on

  • @wolfiesown
    @wolfiesown Před 19 dny +6

    ‘We can discuss it”. Apparently civil rights & equality are negotiable

  • @Seanomarachain
    @Seanomarachain Před 19 dny +45

    So funny, vote in Canada...

    • @calicocat8213
      @calicocat8213 Před 19 dny +10

      Very fitting comparison .

    • @stunns2003
      @stunns2003 Před 19 dny

      The Zionists and Settlers have clearly lost the argument.
      “A Settler’s Vision”……..?
      They’re not even concealing it anymore.

    • @BamBamGT1
      @BamBamGT1 Před 19 dny

      @@calicocat8213 It would help if you knew history. Jordan was actually a part of the mandate for Palestine untill 1946. The people in the West Bank had the Jordanian nationality untill 1988, 2 decades beyond 1967. The state of Palestine and "Palestinian people" are fairly recent developments in history.

    • @caspar_gomez
      @caspar_gomez Před 19 dny +5

      ​@@BamBamGT1doesnt matter if the palestinians don't live in jordan why would they benefit from voting there

    • @lycan3868
      @lycan3868 Před 16 dny

      @@BamBamGT1 well actualy the jewish people who came from europe before the 1948 had a palestinian passport and identity, so you saying the "Palestinian people are fairly recent developments in history" is just a lie to make the people who have no idea about the conflict believe that there was no country in that region before the establishement of the israeli state just like the phrase that the zionists used "A land without a people for a people without a land" to justify the colonization in the mid 19's which is not true.
      palestine have been there before the creation of israel, the balfour declaration itself that was the cause of the creation of israel literally stated the establishement of jewish state in palestine and here is the quote:
      "His Majesty's Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine".
      so you better get educated before commenting such things cuz you are just embarassing yourself, that's assuming that you don't know the truth and you weren't just lying on purpose.
      PS: you can check the internet for every information i stated in this comment ^^

  • @tens0r884
    @tens0r884 Před 19 dny +5

    Imagine not being able to answer "Yes" to "one person one vote" while simultaneously calling yourself "the only democracy in the middle east". its baffling

  •  Před 19 dny +20

    All tespect for the brilliant and courageous Professor Finkelstein. 💞

  • @amylolxox
    @amylolxox Před 19 dny +25

    0:45 dont be fooled they are treated as second class citizens its been debuked by people who live there sharing their stories and by second class I mean really and this is putting it in easy words

    • @caspar_gomez
      @caspar_gomez Před 19 dny +1

      Yes, it really gets tiring having to listen to tjem spin it, like trying to claim black people had no need for a civil rights movement after slavery

    • @amylolxox
      @amylolxox Před 15 dny +1

      @@caspar_gomez thats the point!!!! these rights were not given but it was with protests like this and george flloyd 2020!!!! There are protests now in Congo and other african countries against French and British and US imperialism. So did they leave????? NO these protests are now and not 200 years after slavery ended or when segregation ended this is going on right now. 2024. It ties directly to this. the army bases are still there and they wont leave. If protestors make them leave they will be labelled as criminals. Same with palestinne the people were still in cages before october they were not free and the occupation was still going on everyday for 78 years. Alot of children just ended up born inside the prison walls. They were innocent and inside why? the UN said years ago there was not enough food. To keep them weak food was limited. WTF the same thing happened in South Africa.

    • @amylolxox
      @amylolxox Před 12 dny

      Ikr 😠

  • @paulflute
    @paulflute Před 19 dny +9

    so finally he spoke his truth.. "I DON'T LIKE THAT PROPOSAL" .. of all people of a given area being able to vote..
    so that's clear.. and we have a name for that already.. it's called Apartheid..

  • @davidpate3859
    @davidpate3859 Před 19 dny +4

    “God is not a real estate agency and never promised land for Nazis who have cowardly killed thousands of Palestinian children and women for over 75 years of occupation” ~ A wise man

  • @wesselbindt
    @wesselbindt Před 19 dny +4

    Norman Finkelstein is a force of nature. Good god I'm so happy he's on the right side of history

  • @arthurfrost9004
    @arthurfrost9004 Před 19 dny +15

    A settlers vision for the future of Israel? is this a joke, because it wasn't funny.

  • @robertkraljii5048
    @robertkraljii5048 Před 19 dny +4

    This Fleisher fellow is full of bright ideas. It’s like if I suggested that Israelis only have the right to vote…in Eurovision.

  • @mohamedismail2485
    @mohamedismail2485 Před 19 dny +8

    The term "settlers" was being thrown around to give the impression that those East European invaders were merely innocent migrants trying to "settle" on an empty land!

    • @alizakessler
      @alizakessler Před 19 dny

      Jews are not settlers in their ownland

  • @bandits99
    @bandits99 Před 19 dny +3

    He noticed Norm Finkelstein smiling to himself and that's when he realised he'd f***ed up 😆😆😆

  • @MehmetUzman
    @MehmetUzman Před 19 dny +5

    Norman Finkelstein has a place in million's hearts

  • @rose-maries7131
    @rose-maries7131 Před 19 dny +3

    I love how Normans silent smirk feels like a whole lecture...

  • @golamrabbaniedi3596
    @golamrabbaniedi3596 Před 19 dny +3

    When you see Dr. Norman is smiling, that means he caught you red-handed.

  • @newonevery740
    @newonevery740 Před 19 dny +16

    He clearly refused Norman's solution

    • @jimbohouston
      @jimbohouston Před 19 dny

      It's actually not a reasonable solution. The majority of Israeli citizens are committed zionists and they want a jewish state. The only option is to cut off all aid to Israel and let them duke it out into perpetuity. Or, more likely, that the state of Israel will simply rupture and collapse and will get replaced by a Palestinian Government.

    • @alizakessler
      @alizakessler Před 19 dny

      Because Norman is a liar

    • @newonevery740
      @newonevery740 Před 17 dny

      @@alizakessler naaaah he is a G

  • @tshawtshi3040
    @tshawtshi3040 Před 19 dny +4

    He fell into Norman's trap brilliantly. By excluding the one state solution Norman tempted him to ask about it which when articulated by Norman he showed his true colors by saying I don't agree with it. Soooo there you go a guy that is presenting himself as reasonable does not accept the only none genocidal solution. Ergo what Norman said before was accurate. Genius

  • @taniakol
    @taniakol Před 19 dny +4

    I'm so glad Norman Finkelstein is becoming well-known, taking on these entitled racists who are so off-putting.

    • @alizakessler
      @alizakessler Před 19 dny

      He is a sick liar. It's a shame anyone would believehis lies

  • @beatingusoon
    @beatingusoon Před 19 dny +6

    Imagine America being invaded.. The invaders settle there and then force Americans to apply for citizenship 🤣🤣🤣

  • @k_sstar5645
    @k_sstar5645 Před 19 dny +3

    He is just saying palastineas may vote but under isrealis supremacy!!! What a democratic country.

  • @jayr6637
    @jayr6637 Před 19 dny +6

    When your argument is bad... just interrupt & talk over the other person is a vain attempt to make yourself look better!

  • @Adrien323
    @Adrien323 Před 19 dny +3

    The veil of zionism is consistently crushed by asking incredibly difficult questions like "Do you believe Palestinians should have equal rights," "Does that include the right to self-determination," and "Do you believe they are human beings?"

  • @harialti9846
    @harialti9846 Před 19 dny +4

    Man legit said “so called Palestinians” and he thinks he has a solution 🙄

  • @samuelgutierrez6609
    @samuelgutierrez6609 Před 19 dny +2

    Notice that the other guest talks about "democracy in the Middle east" but then has no options for equal rights for the Palestinians, and then when presented with the option for equal Palestinian rights, he doesn't like it. Wow what a DEMOCRACY where half the population wouldn't have equal rights and couldn't vote. Why the hell is my tax dollars going to this joke of a country when Americans in the US need help?

  • @rifaatrafiq9994
    @rifaatrafiq9994 Před 19 dny +2

    He was willing to look at other options other than genocide but then not willing to consider one person one vote!!
    Only option he is offering for palestinans is to live under settlers in state of Israel.
    Says it all!!

  • @cormacporter4990
    @cormacporter4990 Před 18 dny +3

    Norman: "One person, one vote"
    Genocide Apologist: "I dont like that option"

  • @leedavis6000
    @leedavis6000 Před 19 dny +7

    What I find funny about Israeli spokes people. They try all the bluster but when you have someone like Norman who knows lot bout the issue of Israel and Palestine . They can’t use that bluster.

  • @santichatterjee7284
    @santichatterjee7284 Před 19 dny +2

    Total gaslighting. These chaps are past masters. Great to hear Finkelstein❤

  • @afterhourscinema782
    @afterhourscinema782 Před 19 dny +3

    Just LOOK at images of Hebron. People are LITERALLY separated by fences and barb wire while Palestinians are forced to live on the bottom. Even South Africa was less obvious about their apartheid.

  • @66hats
    @66hats Před 19 dny +3

    Checkmate to Norman

  • @The_Voice_of_Reason748
    @The_Voice_of_Reason748 Před 19 dny +3

    "If I don't steal it then someone else will"
    - Fat Yakob the settler from NY

  • @tdavani
    @tdavani Před 18 dny +1

    Norman, you are a gift to humanity and most rational human being.
    Grateful for your existence and intelligence

  • @marcusnelson7026
    @marcusnelson7026 Před 19 dny +2

    NEVER GET YOUR OPPONENTS NAME RIGHT. Norm did a great job.

  • @owena3896
    @owena3896 Před 19 dny +4

    How do these supposedly high standard news papers let and idiotic proposal such that laid by the "other guest" namely, let Palestinians vote in Jordan. He is so proud that he got to publish this stupendous option in the news papers. No wonder people stopped reading news papers

  • @Blindmonkey69
    @Blindmonkey69 Před 19 dny +3

    Hahahaha how can he just slip in at the end "I don't like proposal" whilst pretending to be caring about working out a fair resolution!!??! 😂😂😂

  • @tothelighthouse9843
    @tothelighthouse9843 Před 19 dny +4

    Lmao Norman Finkelstein is such a brilliant & cagey debater without being rude, derisive or needing to raise his voice!
    He got Mr Fleisher to show his hand: Mr Fleisher doesn't actually believe in a democracy with free Palestinians. We can **propose** that as a starting point, but he doesn't like it & the proposal won't stay on the table very long.

  • @samray3461
    @samray3461 Před 19 dny +4

    In short: Settler says quote "I don't like that proposal" in regards to Democracy.

  • @Irishrover11
    @Irishrover11 Před 19 dny +4

    Norm smokes another one!

  • @jemps4437
    @jemps4437 Před 19 dny +4

    The vision of an Israeli settler: Palestinians to be given "permanent residency" in their own but Israeli-occupied land and so can not participate in Israeli elections since they're just residents, not citizens. BUT as a show of generosity and respect, for democratic processes; they (Palestinians) will be allowed by Israel to participate in Jordanian elections. 🤭

    • @paulmatters2641
      @paulmatters2641 Před 19 dny

      Presumably these non-citizens would pay taxes to the State of Israel. Taxation without representation. Seemed to have heard that somewhere before? Jefferson, Franklin, Adams. Ring a bell. That other person not Norman is a clown show

  • @441A444
    @441A444 Před 19 dny +2

    The other guest's lighthearted tone is the banality of evil.

  • @AtakanAltay
    @AtakanAltay Před 19 dny +1

    Thank you, Norman

  • @Q8Caffeinated
    @Q8Caffeinated Před 19 dny +6

    The dude is as obnoxious as a cars salesman on a mission to rip you off.
    He saw the question Mr. Finkelstein was in the process of throwing his way and he tried, with all his phony salesmanship, to dodge only to swallow his pride in the end and without giving an answer in return.
    Well played Mr. Finkelstein, well played 👏

    • @ghana312
      @ghana312 Před 17 dny +1

      My thoughts exactly. It was Professor Norman v. a used car salesman. Surprised that Piers made him put a sock in it so that the Professor could finish a sentence.

  • @nadirrabah6756
    @nadirrabah6756 Před 19 dny +4

    "Isn't that nice?" Sarcastic prks aren't they?!!!!!!!!

  • @bertionoone
    @bertionoone Před 19 dny +3

    Vote in Jordan.... "Voting in their country". I'm not sure this guy is hearing himself.

  • @DamajaCJ
    @DamajaCJ Před 19 dny +3

    Okay, Yishai, in that option you said the Palestinian refugees currently in Jordan (and Lebanon, and Egypt and Syria and Iraq) get to come back, but you want them to vote in those countries... That goes the same for all the people who are currently in Israel that came from elsewhere, right? So, all those U.S., U.K., South African, Australian, Russian, Ukrainian, Polish, Hungarian, Argentinian, Uruguayan, etc. etc. etc. etc. imports go back and vite in those countries, right??!

  • @Aslan_Reza
    @Aslan_Reza Před 19 dny +5

    You have settlers come from Europe, America and Australia squatting illegally on occupied territories and referring to indigenous people as “so called Palestinian”
    ….how dare he!?

    • @alizakessler
      @alizakessler Před 19 dny

      Jews are not settlers in their own land. And yes they are indigenous people of the land. The so called Palestinians are arabs

    • @Aslan_Reza
      @Aslan_Reza Před 19 dny +2

      @@alizakessler European settlers/so called Jews carry German-Polish-Russian-Ukrainian-Estonian DNA, that’s why DNA testing is banned in apartheid Israel!!

    • @alizakessler
      @alizakessler Před 19 dny

      @@Aslan_Reza Majority of jews are not European jews and the are not settlers in their own land. DNA testing isn't banned

  • @globalist1990
    @globalist1990 Před 19 dny +4

    See how piers asks him to stop when he says he doesn't like the option of one person, one vote. Piers always on damage control....

  • @shaikhkamruzzaman1177
    @shaikhkamruzzaman1177 Před 19 dny +2

    Mr. Norman is boss of humanity.

  • @humblecharlie4383
    @humblecharlie4383 Před 19 dny +2

    fisheye's statement "we can talk about it" means nothing will be resolved and we'll never agree to one person one vote. and i love his settler's american accent, which proves he is from the middle east.

  • @waynevanrensburg8037
    @waynevanrensburg8037 Před 19 dny +3

    Another Norm serve, love it

  • @addyhadmelike655
    @addyhadmelike655 Před 19 dny +4

    This was "How to prove your debate opponent's argument" by 'Piers's Other Guest'

  • @harrysalci3981
    @harrysalci3981 Před 19 dny +1

    Mr Finkelstein is on another level 👏👏👏

  • @AnalyseThat
    @AnalyseThat Před 19 dny +1

    He's prepared to give Palestinians a vote, but in the next country. A criminal mind can only bring out twisted logic!

  • @djpaulcfunkeddub3951
    @djpaulcfunkeddub3951 Před 19 dny +4

    The arrogant always interrupt

  • @MarkG-gb6nq
    @MarkG-gb6nq Před 19 dny +3

    Israel a democracy 😂😂😂😂😂😂

  • @KateBates22zabu
    @KateBates22zabu Před 19 dny +2

    The problem is is Ray lees are proud of their criminal acts from targeted assassination to the crime of crimes. Bragging about a NYTimes editorial after NYTimes printed the dishonest "screams without words" is no plus for the colonizers imo

  • @MrOrtmeier
    @MrOrtmeier Před 19 dny +1

    You don't argue with Norman Finkelstein and get away with BS. He sees through it and got the guy to admit he doesn't like the one man one vote option....see that little smile on Norman's face after the guy admitted that? Brilliant 😊

  • @user-zi8qe6tf9f
    @user-zi8qe6tf9f Před 19 dny +5

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    • @s.bk.655
      @s.bk.655 Před 19 dny

      Assalamu Alaikum dearest sister I pray to Allah that he provides you with halal RIZK for your whole family and may He grant Jannah to your father who died and may Allah comfort your hearts minds and souls Ameen

  • @aminareddani9512
    @aminareddani9512 Před 19 dny +4

    Free Free Palestine

  • @firebyrd437
    @firebyrd437 Před 19 dny +2

    A settlers vision, that's where the problem is, settlers are not now or have every ever been the indigenous people of Palestine

  • @lacolocha75
    @lacolocha75 Před 19 dny +1

    Jeez that guy brings whole new realms of meaning to the word ‘smug’