Jack Dempsey's "Falling Step" Punching Technique
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- I re-explained the legendary boxing champion Jack Dempsey's punching technique. The falling step is about using a step to move your core and increase the power of your straight lead punch (the jab). It's commonly misunderstood boxing technique and I have to say that Jack Dempsey's limited explanation left a lot of room for confusion. Luckily, it's still commonly used today in boxing gyms everywhere except only it's explained and called many other things. I myself like to call it the "drop jab". The only "punching secret" of this punching technique, like many other punching techniques, is how to use the fall (gravity) to increase your punching power!
00:00 - Intro
00:25 - Common mistake in failling step
00:44 - The real different in failling step
02:20 - The common used for failling step
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This is not the Dempsey falling step . In his book he makes it clear that you step a foot and a half with the left foot , with most of the weight on the left and coming on the ball of the right foot . Your weight is primarily on you right foot . Also your punching with a reverse punch and Dempsey punched with a vertical fist striking with the last 3 knuckles . It's similar to the vertical punch in wing chun that why Bruce Lee used the punch and his version of the fallen step when he created JKD . Also Ned Beaumont in his book Championship Street fighting gives an illustration of the Dempsey falling step with 70 to 80 percent of the weight on the front leg . Southern Praying Mantis has rough version of the trigger step ( falling ) called chop step of which Bruce Lee also studied.
Which book? I’m trying to add the Dempsey roll to my boxing arsenal and I think the first thing I should get down is his drop step
Or hook me up with a good video breakdown of this punch
@@dababy8017 Just watch GGG's shifting technique, Jack Dempsey's term for it is the double shift.
@@dababy8017 it's called champion ship fighting jack Dempsey. It's a free PDF just google
Dempsey also mentioned how this technique would make loud foot slapping sounds from the left foot hitting the ground hard.
I like your videos. But as others have already said. *This is NOT the Dempsey falling step. Nothing at all like it.* The real Dempsey falling step has most of your weight on the lead foot, knees bent, body angled slightly forward (so as to increase weight on your lead foot), the right foot (or back foot) only lightly resting on the balls of your feet. You then take a long step (thereby falling) forward with no preliminary movement to your right foot, and plant your lead foot down. Using the force of gravity to generate the power on the punch through your power line running from your shoulders to your pinky knuckles.
Again, to those watching *THIS IS NOT THE DEMPSEY FALLING STEP*. Now I've seen some of your replies, about how this is your interpretation. Sadly there's no opinions or interpretations in boxing. If this is titled the "Dempsey falling Step" you MUST show the Dempsey falling Step. Period. This is *YOUR* falling step. Not Dempsey's.
Again, I like your videos. But this is a hit and a miss.
Thanks for your respectful feedback. I'll leave the video as is and if it helps someone, which I'm sure it will, great. If not....they can disregard and move on.
i agree with you roman its more like the lead foot is about to trip over but then catches itself while the rear foot could be in the air if u wanted too....then the shoulder whirls out powerful punch while your fist explodes into the opponents chin... i can see abit in floyd mayweathers right cross. thats why they cant see it coming
jdubb Kta The punch does not whirl out. Dempsey explains why in his book. A hook punch is a whirl and so is a straight punch, improperly done, with knuckles horizontal on the straights.
oh yeah u shoulder whirl out your fist but knuckles are not horizontal its like holding a pole straight up and down...
Again, whirling out is a totally different punch and the straight loses it effectiveness by arcing, hooking, whirling, etc. Dempsey explains it in better detail, due to space limitations, than I can here. Note, too, that a right cross done correctly, is not a straight and it arcs up and over.
I really want him to do the Dempsey Roll too...hahaha, the thin line where anime meets reality.
True reality is just realistically hard
As a guy that uses a lot of Jack's techniques. I have experimented with Jacks techniques. And have used all the techniques he discribes. If you do the falling step, with a straight long jolt, following the power line, and do the convulsive grabbing fist at the last second before landing, making a straigh arm and fist, fist landing vertical. It is a very powerful technique. It stops over commitment. And an experienced boxer side stepping out of the way. And letting the fool fall to the canvas.
This is not Dempsey's Falling step its your own version of it. Can you please make a video explaining the real Falling step? I will explain my reasoning with the following points.
1- Jack Dempsey used this technique to deliver knock out punches, yet at 2:20 you go on about using it for the jab or 'when you just need to push the guy"
2- Your demonstration of what not to do is closer to Dempsey"s version than your interpretation. I can tell this because of the sound your foot makes. It goes "smack" because you generated power while falling. Dempsey states "your left leg should land flat and solid"
3- Here is my favorite part that had me laughing my ass off. At 45 seconds you say and i quote "let me explain to you the difference, the real difference. When you fall you want your weight to go down.... If you throw your weight forward, your front leg is going to resist and its not going to work." Common sense alone tells me that i want to send my weight forward and into my opponents face rather than down where it is absorbed by the ground. Dempsey backs me up by saying "lift the front foot and let the body fall forward.
This is not jack Dempsey's falling step, in the falling step about 90% of the weight is on the front leg, then, without pushing off the back foot, the lead leg is lifted and the jab is thrown and completed while the front foot is still off the ground, instead of deriving power from pushing off the back food(working against gravity), the power in this technique comes from the acceleration of the body weight FALLING FORWARD(utilizing gravity).When throwing the right cross from the falling step, the cross is thrown at the moment your weight is caught on the front foot, in this case the power comes from the increase of bodyweight derived from catching yourself after your center of gravity has accelerated downward as well as the momentum gained from the direction of the fall(strait forward). In both punches the fist is thrown vertically, the reason being that turning the wrist over redirects the power acquired from the falling process, when throwing either punch vertically the power travels in a strait line with no redirection, if the cross is turned over the power is redirect to swing around the front leg, and the punch will travel in a sleight arc(as in the classic cross). Extra power is gained by turning this punch over due to the acceleration gained by the punch travelling a longer distance, but has the downfall that the power gain from the momentum acquired from the direction of the fall is then lost.
your an idiot. i read his book it doesn't say 90 percent on your front foot anywhere. u have no references and wasted time for anyone who read your comment.
Thank you for your view sir,but as with others here i respectfully disagree with this somewhat.ive used this punching style in gym for years based on my view of the book which ive read numerous times.i use the five key points to punching he demos and it surely works.The motion as jack taught it is somewhat forward as he shifts his bodyweight on to his opponent...it is more a subtle balanced forward dumping of kilogram via the punching arm the and fist while st the same time whirling the upper torso for xtra power.i dont mean to be arguementive but our interpretations do differ,Key is a balanced fall.it is actually initially taught by him in the book as a literal fall forward which is stopped by left leg catching the free fall forward.iv been wrong before and might be here too but the punch done by my interpretation is a wrecking ball when practiced diligently.Peace
And I have to agree with the other fellow, he does say in the book that you fall forward when executing this step.
I'm here because of hajime no ippo anyone else?
Pretty much
Dempsey Roll!!!
Simeon Clarke yeah
i knew about jack dempsey a little but the anime made me look more into the boxer seen a old vid of the guy using the move bet that it would look cooler if you were there to see it personally
hell yea haahah
P.S. I admire you and the other guys here for even thinking of looking at the techniques and writings of this great old champ, for having the guts to risk ridicule and criticism for trying to learn how to fight like a champ from reading a book, my hat's off to you, you proved me wrong, there is hope for the younger generation, you gents can hear the voice of wisdom.
Great explanation...🔥🔥🔥
Thank you so much. I'm already a subscriber, so when I saw this as one of the hits resulting from my Google search, I knew I was in good hands. I actually have Demsey's book, but I couldn't make sense of his jab-or "jolt"-technique. I was more or less doing exactly what you described as what NOT to do (though I had a strong feeling that what I was doing could not be right). I tried it just as you've described it, today during some bag work, and everything just clicked. So, thanks again!
Ahhh, what a great comment! So glad I could make it click for you.
I understood that, thank you!
Dempsey also coupled his falling step with keeping his knuckles perpendicular to the floor as opposed to turning over his hand. This fostered what he called the body's natural "power line". The result is what Dempsey called the "Jolt".
Another informative video! Always good to brush up on the fundamentals.
my god......
@@IAuMaZinGI oh no
Hi Johnny in walking down the opponent with punches, or throwing a jab-cross-close range hook, do you use a falling step for the right hand as well?
Now this is a better demo. Just watched a vid literally a minute ago with a terrible demonstration making this drop step technique looking like a really slow and predictable punch. Thanks for making this.
Reading Dempsey’s book last night and watching your demonstration today is an awesome combo
Glad you enjoyed. Take your time and see what works best for you. You might end up with your own way of doing it. Or you could also chat with other fighters and see what they do.
@@expertboxing I do my talking in the ring chief lol. Definitely will re-read sections for proper digestion. Do you have any other demonstrations from the book?
My brother practices Bagua in Massachusetts also. He has been in seminars with Hei JinBao in Connecticut. It's a beautiful, difficult, and deceiving art! Bagua to the casual observer looks harmless. However, I've been on the receiving end of demonstrations and the damage potential is tremendous. Kudos to you!
Got it Brilliant thanks alot mate its very much appreciated!
If you want to learn the real falling step it is a fencing lunge slightly tweaked. Those old bare knuckle boxing postures came directly from the use of the sword adapted to fist fighting
good explanation my friend.
I practice Bagua an internal martial art that is dependent on stepping very very similiar to what you describe. Even your description of the body power and arms doing what they want. Thank you for your demonstration.
Hey I like your way of doing it, nice n solid, feels like you could push a house over.
How do you throw a step in straight right with a drop step?
Say im facing a southpaw and I want to step diagonally foward away from his power side and throw a straight right.
How do I do it? Because right now I drop step foward all my weight goes on my front foot and I cant transfer any weight for my cross as its already on the front foot also I widen my base alot.
Great vid! I want to know how I can increase my strength and have punching power? Like if you do mma and you have to lift an opponent off the ground or get them off of you? I fight more like a boxer so I want to have quick hand speed but I need strength to lift people. What can I do? Thanks.
Cut and pasted from Jack's book.
Just lift the left foot and LET THE BODY FALL
FORWARD IN A LONG, QUICK STEP. The left foot should land flat and solid on the floor at the end of the step.
It is a quick, convulsive and extremely awkward step. Yet, it's one of the most important steps of your fistic life; for that falling-forward lurch is
the rough diamond out of which will be ground the beautiful, straight knockout jolt.
I've seen lots of comments where you explain this is your interpretation of the technique, but the correct execution of this techniques is not a matter of interpretation or opinion, its a matter of physics, and because of this your execution is either correct or incorrect. I hope you don't take this comment as insulting, I'm just pointing out what I believe to be a flaw in your logic.
I say "interpretation" in the way that I explain it. Not in the way that I do it. I am quite confident this is the falling step. But in any case, you are most certainly free to disagree and disregard. To everyone else who is truly looking to learn and understand things, even if from a different angle, good for them.
Dempsey used the motion of a snow sled going down a hillside slide slope and then hitting a level plain at the bottom to describe his falling step. He said to imagine a spring waiting at the bottom of the hill to project the sled faster on the level plain, he said to imagine your right foot as that spring. Also he said that it is one of the most unnatural movements you'll ever make when you first start doing it, to put all your weight to that left foot will make your right foot spring to accommodate for the weight displacement, he also said not to change it to make yourself feel more "natural".....this video is an example of your own falling step, not Dempsey's.
+expertboxing The Jack Dempsey falling step is very different from what you demonstrated in that most of the weight is on the lead leg before and at the completion of the step/punch. Here is how he explains it in Chapter 8 of Championship Fighting:
"Bend your knees slightly. Bend your body forward slightly as you shift your 'weight forward onto your left foot, so that your right foot is resting only lightly on the ball of the foot. Remember that the knees are still slightly bent. Teeter up and down easily (half-bouncing without leaving the floor) to make certain you're in a comfortable, balanced position. If your position does not feel balanced and comfortable, move your right foot about slightly- but not much-to get a better balance as you teeter. You are resting only lightly on the ball of your right foot, remember. Stop teetering, but keep the knees slightly bent and your arms at your side. Now-without any preliminary movement-take a long, quick step forward with your left foot, toward the object at which your left toe had been pointing (Figure 4). I emphasize: NO PRELIMINARY MOVEMENT BEFORE THE STEP.
You unquestionably will be tempted to shift some of the weight from the left foot to the right foot just before you step. But don't do it. Do nothing with the right foot, which is resting lightly on its ball, NO PRELIMINARY MOVEMENT! Just lift the left foot and LET THE BODY FALL FORWARD IN A LONG, QUICK STEP. The left foot should land flat and solid on the floor at the end of the step.
....Although the weight of your body was resting largely upon your left foot when you stepped off, you didn't fall to the floor. Why? Because the alert ball of your right foot came to the rescue frantically and gave your body a forward spring in a desperate attempt to keep your body balanced upright-to maintain its equilibrium."
+FreekeeChakra fascinating! thanku, but what does this accomplish? is it a harder, more devastating punch, or what?
Mike Valdez There's more force behind it, so it's possible to knock your opponent out with the jab. I think it takes a lot of practice and i'm not really good at it, honestly. It feels very awkward to me. Try it out and tell me what you think!
So (correct me if im wrong) that right would be a short fast cross, followed by a left hook or uppercut right? I think this is where advanced beginners who start light sparring get confused.. Could you do a tutorial on how to walk down with punches / adding footwork with combos?
Directly from Dempsey's book:
"You unquestionably will be tempted to shift some of the weight from the left foot to the right foot just before you step. But don't do it. Do
nothing with the right foot, which is resting lightly on its ball, NO PRELIMINARY MOVEMENT! Just lift the left foot and LET THE BODY FALL
FORWARD IN A LONG, QUICK STEP. The left foot should land flat and solid on the floor at the end of the step.
It is a quick, convulsive and extremely awkward step. Yet, it's one of the most important steps of your fistic life; for that falling-forward lurch is
the rough diamond out of which will be ground the beautiful, straight knockout jolt."
FORWARD. Let the body fall FORWARD.
random question: can i make my wrists stronger so i dont get injured? 180cm, im skinny but i got strong punches. i feel that if i throw strong punches alot, i may injure my wrist... any ideas, coach?
Great videos man, don't worry about the haters. Everyone always acts like they know everything. Your videos are very helpful
I love this VIDEO
Umm, if you read the book, it is a dangerous move if you got countered, but the hand hits the target before your foot hits the ground, so all of your falling momentum goes into the target rather than the ground as you've shown.
C'mon now...I don't have time for that. I'm just here to share what I learned...not go around attacking other people for having different technique. If anything, this sport needs more shared knowledge and shared opinions even if it's conflicting. It's positive when it's all in the spirit of learning.
What you're doing is totally fine and it's a natural occurence. Stepping with a right hand punch is very hard because you have to push yourself with the back leg and so it's natural for your weight to move forward onto the front foot since you ARE moving forward. The key is you have to use the step for power, not for covering distance. The moment you try to use the step for distance, it no longer helps the power, if anything, it decreases it. The falling step only needs to be about an inch.
how bout donaire's flash step? can u do a demo and break it down?
Do you have a video of it? I never about a "flash step".
He's basically bouncing around and throwing a left punch when he goes to the right, and a right punch when he goes to the left. He throws one punch with every other bounce so that there's a little bit of a dancing rhythm between the punches.
Basically, it seems like what Dempsey was advocating was moving into your punch for added power. If you're standing still or, WORSE, moving back when punching much of the power is lost because just the ARM has to absorb the back-force when the punch lands. Watch some of the best knockout punchers. One that comes to my mind is Mark Hunt (MMA/UFC) - he is walking INTO each of his punches. So he has the power of his punch PLUS the added force of his 240 lbs moving in the same direction. OUCH. If Mark was standing still then that "punch" would be just a jab and might be survivable. But with 240 lbs of extra force behind the punch, few can survive. Apparently, Dempsey learned early in life how to get the most effect from his punches since he was just a skinny (scrawny) kid fighting much bigger opponents and having to win in order to eat.
Let me add - watch Jack working on the heavy bag or hitting an opponent. He throws his whole body into the punch. Modern boxers have picked up this technique and Mike Tyson was a master at it. He had to be. Tyson, like Dempsey, was small for the heavyweight division and had to get the most out of his punches against bigger opponents who could absorb "normal" punches. Watch Evander Holyfield. He LAUNCHES himself into his punches. The better boxers do. Sometimes when they miss, they throw themselves completely past their opponents. That's how much bodyweight and force they put behind their punches. Not EVERY punch has to be a KO hit. Set it up with jabs and other distractions until your opponent drops his guard and opens up his vulnerable targets. THEN launch yourself into that liver shot or head rattling KO punch. Remember, SPEED WINS MOST FIGHTS. If you can't out-punch your opponent then make sure you can out-RUN them.
what a good technique Thx,The only technique that i know from Jack demsey is the demsey roll
You're right, this is more of a push-punching technique than a snapping one. The best way to make it "snap" is to take a shorter step and have your legs straighter when you impact the ground. Many guys bend their knees too much.
if you want more information on dempsey's stile he wrote a book on boxing called championship fighting it's old but still very useful and interesting
When he punched did he turned his fist palm down so his fingers were looking to the floor or did he keep his natural to his guard keeping his finger to the side and his thumb looking up?
+cristian cruz He did the latter, in his book Jack Dempsey actually advised against putting your palm pointing downwards.
Anyway, you keep it straight the whole way. Thumb pointing upwards etc.
Proper safety equipment and proper technique! Make sure you got both down before you swing punches full force at hard objects.
I've already explained in the video that it's not just a footstomp but yes, you're free to disagree. The difference that people argue is where the "falling step" comes from. You can either drop your weight onto the front leg, or you can drop it in the middle. Both will produce a different falling step effect, or "foot stomp" as you put it. Try both and choose the one you like.
the best way to describe it is the punch is a hard jab Dempsey didn't like using pat shots or just trying to score he liked using damaging shots when the shot is thrown it's meant to damage or stun
You can follow any punch with any punch. There's no rule. Of course, it's more natural if you alternate between lefts and rights but sometimes doubling up on one side is great for confusing opponents. As for punching and moving at the same time, I'll have to cover that in another video.
This is my interpretation of the technique. Something I refined and changed up a lot over the years and now feel confident this is the best way to do it. Why don't you try it before you call it "wrong". And at the very least, just understand that it's different from how you understand it.
Please a video on how to do the dempsey roll!
bob and weave + throw hooks. bam boom bang thats the dempsey roll.
Theres a bit more to it than that but thats really what it is. The show just exaggerated it.
I agree with Carlos, this is not the falling step. You literally fall and use all that weight to knock off someone's head
Can you teach the Dempsey roll!?
can you do that with the rear hand? How?
can you make a video on Dempsey roll
Are there any films of Dempsey demonstrating the punch?
+henry dicario Modern martial Artist channel had vid showing Dempsey using the falling punch and explanation. 1 year ago.
Whenever the head and spine are misaligned and leaning far forward of your center of gravity (the stomach, lower spine and hips), then you can't use gravity effectively for your upper torso. There's too much bad structure there to transfer the power. SInce gravity does not functionally horizontally to power a strike, only vertically through the ground, the human body has to utilize structure to redirect the power, like a river is redirected.
There's also force reflection from impact.
@Amiracle I know, right? I want to be able to perform a Dempsey Roll, but I don't know how to. I kind of just made my own.
There are different ways to throw it, and different names. The idea is that the body weight is all moving forward for an instance, and the hand MUST land before the foot. Start one inch forward at the time. Still rotate the hips slightly and I say extend the shoulder a fraction with an inverted fist. But what do I know?
Nice explanation and demonstration.
Proper protection and form will best protect your wrists. I have skinny wrists too so it's easy for me to injure them.
can anyone tell me jacks techniques and anyother boxer who have mad their own
I don't do MMA so I don't know much about it. From what I learned, you lift people by getting your hips directly under you (then get close to opponent), hold and lift. Has more to do with technique (leverage) than strength.
I didn't tell him he's wrong. I simply said my interpretation was different. Besides, I have no idea what Nvsemin is teaching, I'm only concerned with sharing the way that works best for me. My #1 goal is to help people the best way I can and give them the best explanation I can. I don't care if people disagree as long as they keep it respectful.
On a side note, if you want me to block you, just try being disrespectful and I'll make sure to do it. There's no use for unconstructive criticism.
But I don't think you where trying to misinform us. I think that it was an honest mistake, I suggest just trying it out on the heavy bag, just feel it out, test every thing out on the heavy bag and in sensible safe sparring.
I've read it exactly from the book. But I felt I would explain it differently. People asked me for my interpretation and this is how I would explain it. Perhaps Jack Dempsey used the word "fall" and I used different words. At the end of the day, you could still get 2 professional boxers who both throw a great left hook but explain it differently. And while you're free to say one is wrong, it's possible that they might be doing the same thing but explaining it differently.
great video... well explained !
Straight up from fencing, just like fencing.
Personally, I imagine fencing has more of a karate stance with knees pointing in opposite directions instead of together.
dempsey roll please XD
very good explanation. support
When your Jab lands, your front foot should be off the ground about 3 or 4 inches as you make impact against your target. Doing this while pushing off a little with the rear foot adds a little more weight to your falling momentum and thus the weight behind your punch. Step up to a wall in your fighting stance, extend your arm in a punch position and put your glove against the wall, now lift your lead foot off the ground and feel your bodyweight pushing your glove against the wall. That's
That's the point of the technique...to use your body weight and gravity to convert downwards force into a forward force.
"I call that forward lurch a "falling step." Actually, every step in walking involves a small "fall. " Walking is a series of "falls." But in this particularstep, the fall is exaggerated for two reasons: (1) your weight is well forward when you step off, and (2) the step is so long that it gives gravity a chance to impart unusual momentum to your body-weight. The solidity with which your left foot landed upon the floor was caused by your momentum. The late Joe Gans rarely missed with a long, straight punch; but , when he did you could hear for half a block the smack of his leftsole on the canvas." Jack Dempsey. The Championship Fighting
"Every step in walking involves a small fall."
- I can tell you with 1000% certainty that this statement is completely wrong in so many ways. Proper WALKING motion by human anatomical standards is a rolling motion. Legs acting like bicycle spokes rolling your body forward. Feet rolling your weight from heel to toe.
If you want to go by the technical definition of WALKING vs RUNNING...it's that with walking you always have at least 1 foot in contact with the ground. In running, you have moments where neither feet touch the ground. Anyway...you cannot fall while in proper walking motion. Your axis is upright and balanced. And your feet are always in contact with the ground. So basically...your axis never falls or leans forward off balance, and there's never any space below you to fall downwards to the ground.
If you want to debate how a long lead punch can generate the most power combined with the motion of a back leg push and front leg step, that's fine. You can debate body position and weight distribution as well. But for sure...there is NEVER any fall during a proper walking motion.
@@expertboxingman that's crazy talk. Yes there absolutely is a series of small falls. Otherwise a person would never trip while walking because they're perfectly balanced and grounded on the opposite foot. You really are missing the mechanics altogether and now I see why you're not able to see where you're off on the actual Falling Step technique. I think you're overthinking. What you show uses some basic boxing mechanics that are just the basic jab but I can tell you come from a martial arts background and you are a traditional boxer style. If you were more of a counter puncher with power you would be slipping and weaving and loading and unloading enough to sense when you're executing the actual Falling Step as Jack intended it. He says it pretty plainly that the foot will even make a sound on the floor when done right. None of which you are doing.
Lift your foot 3 inches off the mat at first as you slip to that foot quickly and throw a punch with the opposite hand. Just microsecond after your hand connects with the target your foot should contact the mat.
A Dempsey Roll is just chaining the alternate hand/ foot off that punch in sequence.
Maybe you should do a video of the Classic technique and compare to how you interpret it to be used in your mini version etc.
@@ShogunateDaimyo I focused on boxing since 2004 (now 20 years). Why you're projecting a TMA background on me, I don't know...because maybe it's you with the Japanese YT name? Lol. What I have done outside of boxing is be a PROFESSIONAL DANCER. And we focus 1000% on body mechanics, my friend.
I can say with 1000% certainty, walking is absolutely NOT a series of small falls. People trip when something impedes their lower body movement while upper body is still moving forward. For example, you trip if your upperbody is moving forward but something like an obstacle blocked your leg/foot or ground was unstable, therefore causing upperbody to fall forward since new standing foot did not arrive underneath to support. Therefore, it is your UPPER BODY that falls...not the foot. The feet virtually can't fall if they're already on/near the ground. If you're "FALLING" (even slightly) in any shape or form while walking naturally, I can say you have horrible body mechanics and should not be teaching lower body movement. At least not to me. :)
Just by your understanding of walking, the human body's most natural upright movement....I'd assume your boxing footwork won't be very good either. How much hard boxing sparring have you done?
"Just microsecond after your hand connects with the target your foot should contact the mat. " -- This is really god awful technique...so many drawbacks if you know boxing. Not saying it can't work or land with power but really should not be taught as a default "proper punch".
"Maybe you should do a video of the Classic technique and compare..." This is a great idea. Show how most people are interpreting it. Versus how I would do it. Demonstrate on camera and let people choose from themselves. But ultimately...if you've done tons and tons of sparring, then you'll know for yourself already and there'd be zero debate.
@@expertboxing it's cool I appreciate your passion but it comes off overly defensive and a bit arrogant but maybe it's because you grew up a male dancer and you need to be 'tough' to avoid being misunderstood.
The Falling Step is intended to be devastating. Mike Tyson, Cus, and Jack Dempsey talked about there being no reason even the jab can't be a crushing blow using the method. What you're doing is some basic mechanics but it is not the use of body weight and leverage to deliver a crushing blow. There's a lot more weight shifting, bending at the waist and knees etc involved than what you're showing. There's a reason Jack did the infinity symbol in his defense shifting weight and loading unloading his feet, because like Cus taught a good boxer can counter lethally even off his defensive positioning.
I appreciate you putting up vids and getting people talking. Yes maybe another vid explaining your philosophy and comparing a demonstration of the true method would be more helpful and help clear some confusion.
I too have been boxing for close to 20 years and have done hard sparring and smoker fights. It's no big deal. I'm not a paid athlete so I have a day job unfortunately and didn't do anything professionally even though coaches have asked me to quite secular work to focus 100% on a boxing career but I have no outside support so that is just not possible. I do this sport for flow, general fitness, speed, agility, and to train others with longevity in mind. Opposite the mainstream thinking I do not believe weight lifting has much benefit in the big picture, though I did much in my earlier years. Like all fighting disciplines there is a spiritual component that men should tap into as part of their daily routine as well. Much peace and respect 🙏
@@ShogunateDaimyo Lol...more blind assumptions again from you. I became a dancer long after I started boxing. No need to be tough when I already was. Multi-sport athlete and former US military can attest to it. :)
The falling step is a calculated risk of an over-committed step-jab. IMO the moment you talk about weight-shifting (between feet vs from position displacement), you're already out of line with Jack Dempsey's own explanation. And also out of line with my own as well. Dempsey himself says your weight is on the front foot and DOES NOT shift to the back...you just lift the front foot and your weight WHICH ALREADY SITS ON IT would be enough to add forward momentum. The only nuanced argument I make is where your weight sits before you lift the front foot....many people think it should be 100% front foot whereas I'm arguing something less.
I don't need to talk about waist/knee bending or other nuances cuz that's not what's being argued here. And likewise that's hardly anywhere close to what Jack himself explains in his poorly-explained text of the falling step.
Weight lifting benefits in boxing...yeah we agree there. Mainstream (EDUCATED) opinion for me is heavy weights don't help punching power. It's only the non-boxers that go around with that delusion. Once they actually train, they'll know for themselves.
make a dempsey roll next, its really rare but i wanna know what i need to learn it
For a fully detailed explanation and tutorial of the Dempsey Roll, please look up the boxer named Hajime No Ippo.
+Daniel Smith When anime gets you hooked.
What I'm explaining IS using the "fall". I've read the book...AND seen it done in person by the pros. The video you're watching is my interpretation of how to explain the technique. Give it a shot and see if it works for you.
That isnt the falling step . The aim of the falling step is to explode by falling forward and jabbing or jolting through ! The target not at it . You are not stepping far enough forward and punching through the target you are pulling the jab in a snapping way . The reason for a falling jolt is primarily not to just snap at the target but to do serious damage so it must have the follow through with bad intentions , you are pulling your punches
@@CockneyClint Mmmmm...sounds like you're going far and beyond what I'm even arguing here. Do show a video of you using it in sparring so we can all see. Then I'll know exactly what you mean.
@@expertboxing You showed the exact opposite of an old school jolt while trying to show what it is lool What you explained as the falling step was wrong to how it’s supposed to be . It’s an old school punch and not that used today your explanation was just a stiff jab nothing more
@@CockneyClint Your reply has nothing to do with what I said. Are you able to show a video of yourself using your interpretation in sparring?
No. My feet are grounded when I throw the right. The only time I would move a foot when I throw the right is when I'm using it more as a tactical punch than as a power punch.
Can you in the next movie a Jack Dempsey special technique like Dempsey Roll? I really want to see this :D so plss
Instead of arguing that I'm saying it wrong, why don't you try my method and tell me how you felt. I'm trying to teach the same thing but using different ways of explaining to get the same effect. At the end of the day, all we're doing is throwing a jab while the front foot moves up a tiny bit...nothing more.
quisiera con subtitulos en español
Im reading his book and he said that no one seems to teach it
This is wrong, the falling step technique is... dropping your weight on your lead leg; to put all your weight behind your punch... then you catch yourself as you pop up and hit your opponent... your literally falling into them and keeping your balance by head movement and punching..
Stepping in with your punches is basically one way of adding power. But HOW do you step? Why do it this way and not that way. Understanding the theory doesn't mean you understand the technique. The point of this video is to explain the details.
please teach the dempsey roll
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ok i will try!
there are a bunch of free PDF's online to read the book is like $200 for a hardcopy lol
actually it just looks like your making yourself fall..or supposed to...its supposed to be a quick movement in which you push with the back leg...lower stance...then push up with the front leg...if you do it quick enough you should almost bounce of your leading foot
It also seems that he's switching stances everytime.
1. copy this: Jack Dempsey and Jess Willard- The Worst Beating in Boxing History - W/ Commentary
2.type that and take the top video
3: skip to 2.38 and se jack do a real dempsey roll
Jack Dempsey Roll!
Did this kid even read Dempsey's book? Has he even watched the old films of Jack Dempsey ? Apparently Not.
expertboxing so.... mind to tell us about the Dempsey Roll?
Yes please i been looking for that everywhere online...
+BountyFlamor What about it? You basically switch stances between southpaw and orthodox while throwing punches.
You should have titled this as something else because as many have already stated that this is not Dempsey's falling step . Dempsey was quite specific into how this step is performed and why ? Dempsey was not a fan of the jab . He believed every punch is thrown with power. The proper falling step allows you to throw your lead punch with power . Southern Praying Mantis has a similar step known as the chop step but Dempsey's falling step has more weight on the lead foot with the rear foot on the ball of the foot . It's misleading to call what you demonstrated as the Dempsey's falling step and it's nothing like it .
You're a few years late to this. Please read my comments to previous comments that are just like yours.
you make a video and explain it.
That's not it either, your not lifting off the front leg. The falling built up moment using gravity, your just leaning forward.
what about Tommy Morrison ?
Thanks i jus learned sommin
I'm deleting disrespectful comments. You're welcome to disagree but if you can't do it respectfully, your comment will be deleted. If you can't handle that simple courtesy, go post on another a channel.
I hope you do know, it's called "the falling step" for a reason. There is a downwards force applied somewhere...even if it is to direct energy into a forwards vector. Just a thought...
good teacher. subbing.
Well I love your videos here, but I really do think you are doing this wrong, what your doing is basically just a jab with a step but the falling step had a spring step from the back foot, and was supposed to be a long step, and it was supposed to send your weight forward not down. From Championship Fighting "When you punch straight from the falling step, the fall and the right-foot spring send your body-weight straight forward-in the same direction your striking knuckles are pointing (Figure 20). And the assisting power you get from the accompanying shoulder whirl in the falling step does not change the direction of your weight in motion." So I think it would be a lot closer to Jeet Kune Do straight lead than what you are doing.
Funny thing is I think Jeet Kune Do copied their step from the falling step as well. Anyway, here's my response to you. Try it the way that you interpreted from the book, and try it the way I interpreted. Pick the one you like better.
Yes you do a falling step when throwing a straight right hand from long range. Dempsey clearly states to step when throwing a right jolt. This instruction is wrong according to JD.
So basically somewhat of a step jab?
+Guero Trejo yes
You have all of these views so you can’t take the video down but so many are saying this in incorrect. Why not make a video of Jack doing the punch and you break it down?
I don’t have to take a video down when so many people ask for my interpretation on it. This is the internet. If it bothers you, just change the channel. Lol. No crybabies allowed here. Nobody has to agree with anybody.
expertboxing Aren’t you touchy. It’s a comment not a penis don’t take it so hard. It’s not my fault you made yourself look like a complete idiot by not doing your due diligence, Mr. Jack Dempsey “ 😆.
LOL....somebody's triggered. Maybe don't ask questions next time if you can't control your emotions to someone else's reply. The only idiot here is the one getting mad on his own comment thread.