Should Square Remake the Kingdom Hearts Games? - State of The Heart #3
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- čas přidán 13. 09. 2024
- The fellas are back to discuss their opinions on a subject that gets brought up in this series from time to time, should any of the Kingdom Hearts games, from the oldest to the most recent, be remade?
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I was speaking about fans developing their own mods and recreations of the older games that could help scratch the remake itch for a lot of players. Here are some of the people that have come across my feeds, let me know!
twitter.com/r3draw_studios
twitter.com/kh3_mod
I have a small suggestion for the podcast, it would be really cool if you could timestamp discussion points. If not, that's fine I understand but it would be 👌
Seconding this. I think with the video format it might even be better if there was something written on screen for the video.
I'd like to, the only problem is that we're so scatterbrained - there aren't any super defined chapters to block the podcast into. We try to stay relatively on topic and wrap things up at the end, including a ending which recaps the conclusions we came to, but I'm not really sure how to section things up without re-listening to the entire podcast and taking notes XD
@@damo a theory what is the Player have a third life the Ironie third life is sora ore different Optionen yozora.
The now defunct mobile games just objectively need Re:coded style remakes because their stories are so important coming into KHIV that Square really shouldn't rely on CZcamsrs like yourself to keep people informed on them. Union X I think absolutely needs a full remake game because of that reason, though the considerably shorter and less important Dark Road could suffice with just a Back Cover style movie.
That being said, I'd be lying if I said I'd actually want these games to get remakes. I'd much rather see a faithful remake of 358/2 Days just because the movie is so unsatisfying and the gameplay is such an important part of the game's story, but I'm just being realistic here since its not exactly the most relevant game to the series anymore.
If they do remake it and expand on certain characters, I think it could be relevant in that regard. The one with the most potential I see is Xigbar, but maybe even Luxord too. Just interesting episodes and missions with these characters that have a connection to the current saga
The thing about nostalgia,
Is that it can make you remember the things from your childhood in a better light.
The knowledge of this sometimes creates a reverse effect, of which I never see anyone talk about for some reason.
Where you remember a thing from your childhood being really good, and you assign it to your nostalgia, but in actuality thing really was just that good. Kind of gaslighting yourself into believing it must have been at least somewhat worse than you remember - for the sole reason of liking it as a kid.
I first became curious about Kingdom Hearts this summer (yes, summer of this year, 2022), got myself a PC collection and started the journey from the very beginning. Today I'm about 95% caught up. My opinion: KH1 *is* just that great. It made me feel like a child, believing in miracles. Other games in the series never managed just that, but some of them were pretty great too.
KH1 doesn't need a remake, it is awesome and it got things to lose.
Honestly in regards to a possible KH 358 1/2 Days remake they actually take advantage and to better utilize the other Organization members. Not many seem to remember but it was the first multiplayer game in the series that allowed to. Play all members of lus several others in Mission. However what they should do is make story related missions where you play as these other characters and further develop them. Especially given with the extra context we do have regarding them now with entries and reveals that occured after this game's release. See from their perspective during this time period. Have them face against unique bosses or scenarios. Also the gameplay HAS to get a massive upgrade. At least the combat, Limits, magic system, and commands do.
I was thinking the same thing about giving them story missions that can focus on and explore their characters. Like imagine how cool it would be to see what Xigbar was up to or understand how Saix feels in these situations. A lot of potential there. Even seeing Marluxia visit the place that reminds him of someone important to him.
tbh I just don't see them doing this without flopping hard lmao, they'd probably try to tie all the new content into whatever is gonna go down in future games and not do any character exploration which is what we'd want
3581?? that's a lot of days
I would rather have
Kingdom heart Chi
Kingdom Hearts unchained Chi
Kingdom Hearts Union Cross
Remade onto consoles
Re Coded also sets up Maleficent trying to steal the Data of Jimmy's Journal because it has similar properties to the Book. It suggests the properties Jimmy's Journal has as Data is the same as the Book of Prophecies would have as Data. For example, you could hide people, even "disappeared" people inside it.
Further, you could manifest a person out of it. You could also use it like a Nexus portal, to travel the place wrote in it. Also, the Main Boss is Sora's Darkness that infects and feeds on Bugs (Computer Darkness)
So Sora mirrors Data Sora, therefore He has a Darkness, too.
Data Namine also implies you can manipulate Data and Memories, as well as the Words on the pages. This changes the Prophetic Word.
Edit: Also, the Journal is somehow able to calculate that it should house itself in Riku. That seems like a bad idea, until we learn from Young Xehanort in DDD that Riku became immune to Darkness. So The Journal was able to simulate future plot events based on the characters of Sora and Riku inside itself.
It simulates the process that Sora would go through in DDD with different players. It basically predicts their future indirectly.
What if the Book of Prophecies is similar? Like the Master rubbed off on his Book the way Jimmy's Journal is all about Sora and the connection he made in one, and they rubbed off on that Book.
I would say yes but not some full blown reimagining like with FF7. Remake KH1 similar to Crisis Core and just make some slight alterations to the story that helps it fit in better with the rest of the story.
The main reason they had to reimagine FF7 was to make room for potential sequels, but KH1 already ended on a cliffhanger, so at least one sequel was planned since the beginning.
You know what we need? We need more Kingdom Hearts soundtracks officially released on Spotify
I do not want a KH1 remake at all. Very happy with the original as it is, rather have the saga moving forward.
Dont know if this gets mentioned later in the video but I think a cool middle ground would be something like what Crisis Core Reunion is doing, tweak the gameplay and systems a bit, add quality of life improvements while also making the graphics look like KH3, its still the same game underneath all that but has improvements to make it feel fresh and new.
Funny thing about Nostalgia, in the Kingdom Hearts universe, it can be weaponized in Kingdom Hearts as Memories in the Heart. Who or what you remember changes how the Universe works. So Darkness can weaponize it.
It's Nomura we are talking about, if HE makes a remake, it's not a remake, thing are never that easy with him.
I know this is an older podcast but I want to say that I think it's a good thing we've only gotten remasters, the series is fully playable for the most part in modern day consoles, in the age of endless remakes I think it's a great thing we haven't really gotten any remakes in the series and instead new games are the focus.
I grew up on the Nintendo games only; I didn't get to play 1 or 2 (or BBS) until years later. KH1 was the hardest to enjoy my first playthrough (I left and finished KH2 instead). It wasn't until my second playthrough that I really saw the magic of its slower, weightier gameplay.
The only thing a remake would need to do would be to give out abilities faster, make equipment more interesting, and better make navigation clearer.
KH1 doesn't need a remake imo, not only is it playable on every single current gen platform but it also holds up both aesthetically and gameplay wise. If they'd wanna remake any of the games they should look at the games that either aren't accessible to the modern player or the games that could use an overhaul in the gameplay department. So obviously the two DS games Days and coded are on top of the list or, alternatively, CoM or even Union X would be solid candidates. CoM's story is fantastic but, despite having it's fans, it's undeniable that the gameplay alienates the majority of the playerbase and the same is the case for Union X, on top of it not even being playable anymore. My vote would be for a Union X remake, it's the best way to incentivize the playerbase to experience the game's fantastic story, far better than Back Cover ever could, and might potentially be necessary as plot points in Union X are looking to be significant in the series moving forward.
First KH games stood the test of time, I first played them in 2017 and it didn't feel outdated. 358/2 days however would benefit from proper remake the most.
i pretty much agree with what y'all are saying about remakes. The reason I'd want a remake is if the original is too old and difficult to go back to or experience in it's current state. Using recourses to touch up old stuff instead of creating new things is waste of time to me. Unless the remake actually adds something of worth, I don't want it. Think Persona 4 and P4 Golden, or P5 and P5 Royal. That's NEW content with tons of fixes and improvements, in a sense, the definitive experience. If it were the same game, just looks slightly better, that'd be worthless.
I'm not sure if it was mentioned in the podcast, or in the comments, but an interesting thing with the Last of Us Part 1 remake was that apparently, the remake is to train up the newer staff and get them used to the game dev process. So if SE or the KH team used that context to remake the older games that didn't already get remade, like Re:Coded or Days, then I'd probably be fine with that.
From a story standpoint, I don't think there's any point for the KH games to get remade due to how Nomura fills in the story blanks with all the "old games' mysteries". For the Last of Us Part 1 -> Part 2, I believe they changed some minor story stuff so that it flowed better into Part 2? But I'm not too sure about that.
Gameplay-wise I would appreciate if KH1 was less clunky, but it does have some charm for being an early generation PS2 game. I dunno.
Ultimately though I don't want the KH team to be held back from making new KH games. Now that there is a dedicated KH dev team, they really should focus on making new KH content instead of being pulled away to make the next FF game or whatever other thing.
They should remake the Mobile games in a different style, perhaps a warriors game
On a related topic, I’d love to see a Kingdom Hearts game do a Metroidvania style gameplay system. 2D or 2.5D and all.
The Last of Us came out on PS3, it was an early title on the console and it really shows when you play it. It's got that plastic look with hard lighting that every PS3 game had.
I'd honestly love a Kingdom Hearts 1 remake. I think a good remake would be like what I've been doing with my PS1 demake, put everything into one or two games with collectibles to tell the stories of Union X and Dark Road
The way I'm structuring mine is KH1, Chain of Memories, Days, and KH2 in part 1 and all the filler removed, and Coded, Dream Drop Distance, Birth by Sleep, KH3, and Re:Mind in part 2, giving the Disney worlds and Final Fantasy characters more relevance from beginning to end and changing Kairi's story from perpetual damsel in distress to keyblade weilder after she's released from Sora's heart. And because Riku is so much more fun to play as, Riku and Kairi are playable characters in key moments
If there is as a kh1 remake wouldn’t they have to replace Tarzan’s world
Maybe not, a lot of Tarzan became public domain not long ago.
I think a persona-like gameplay style for 358 would be amazing for a remake, you'd really be able to flesh out the stories of not only the main cast but all the organization members too
Yuck
Honestly, and I'm just shooting from the hip here, every single side story, including the early khux, with the exception of BBS, felt like spin off side hustles that didn't really matter all that much, but were meant as funding sources for next important installments. Like, oh we have these ideas we never used but some of the concept art and concept story is just sitting over there, let's quick slap it on a cartridge and call it a game, make some money to funnel into KH3, and while we're at it test out some battle mechanics.
What you were saying about exploration games is EXACTLY how I felt about Pokemon Go and the Harry Potter one. Like I couldn't play them at the same time and I didn't have time or desire to play them each individually. I would one thousand percent give up pokego for a similar game centered around KH, though.
Unchained Key into Union Cross being canonized was such a huge punch in the gut, tbh, because frankly, that game, especially the first SEVERAL HUNDRED chapters were boring af. Tap, tap, swipe rinse, repeat, wait until had enough energy to go back in. The Disney stories weren't exciting. I was also taken aback during the gummi block section when Donald, Goofy, and Chip and Dale showed up in this "ancient land," plus all the same Disney characters in the same places and that's part of why it felt like not canon material. I know this gets explained away later, but for an otherwise unassuming and bland game it was difficult to keep playing and I actually shelved it completely. If it weren't for Damo I wouldn't have a clue how the story played out in the end. A thousand thanks to you, oh gracious one. I have the offline version, but the cut scenes are organized by world, not chronologically, so it's kind of cumbersome.
I don't know if you guys can tell, but I think about KH a lot and literally have nobody to talk to it about 🤣
I feel like they should go the Ever Crisis route, having Kingdom Hearts work like an turn based RPG game, like classic Final Fantasy.
When i played kh2 as a kid in middle school, i was grounded at the time and the ONLY time i could play was at 5:00 in the morning when my parents left for work i had roughly 30-45 minutes each day only during the week. That first bit i got through Roxas’s time basically each day was actually an entire day, i have to tell you that experience was truly amazing. I hated it but to that same point the thirst to continue was what really immersed me into the story, i dont know of any other teenage boys that outright cried when roxas passed off into sora and the game begins. Maybe im just a softie whatever i dont care i was 13 and it hit me like a truck. I believe the time to immerse and fully digest whats going on is what makes the games truly impactful.
Like the “intended” days consumption style yeah sure, but how simple is it to just force players to have 2 hour psudo grind sessions/forced detailed explanation behind a wall of oh just have 5000 munny, or synthesize 3 fire bangles from mindlessly farming enemies with a 2% drop rate, yeah it sounds kinda lame BUT it sends home the moments of time between cutscenes or phases of game play. I believe a kh game with a level cap of 10,000 and 500+ hours of gameplay to competition is what would work best, yeah speed runners turning a casual 40 hour game into a 3 hour mind melting show of knowledge talent skill and execution is cool, make it an option with post game play fine, but for the sake of the story and the immersion of the game just make it long the simple way. I mean dont take it the wrong way finding all the chests and mickey heads in the All the worlds is a task and a half especially without a guide or something, but the way you guys talk about coded it made me realize its the simple aspect of the player having time to digest and enjoy the minuet/simplest things the game has to offer that make it all the better. Like playing kh3 with all the pro codes on, i had NO idea playing casually how much of the game i had missed, just from things like the tangled boss having phases and how ridiculous the mech suits are in toy box. I get it everyone wants the story and no one has the time of day to spend 6 hours doing mindless tasks, idk i just think there is truly something to the investment of time and effort in the grind. I just think its a simple idea that could make things so much better than the face value you get from blowing through games.
They should at least remake 358/2 Days.
I might've missed yall saying this (or maybe I haven't gotten to the point where yall say it yet), but something to note with TLOU is that they have an HBO show coming out pretty soon. That's going to potentially introduce a ton of new players, so I can see it being an easy decision to make a "definitive" version of TLOU 1 for PS5 so that those coming in from the TV show can get the highest quality experience possible.
The only one I’d have any time for would be 358/2 Days. The others don’t need a remake really, maybe a new remaster, but not that important. They all look fine and play well.
I'm now realizing how much of an accidental badass i was for playing as aqua on critical for my first ever BBS playthrough lmao. Castle of nightmares...
Love these podcasts, highlight of my week/month/whatever time period you release them in ❤
Longform content is great
KH3 was absolutely beautiful. As a new fan because of Kh3, I'd love to see at least the other main games get a remake. The hardest part of playing the old games is the controls/input and camera 😂
Interesting! Did you manage to play through the older games or were they too off putting? I'm very curious about newer fan's perspectives
@@damo I bought and played through the entire series over the month or so before 3 came out 😂 they weren't too bad, but they're age was pretty clear hah
The camera is just terrible in kh1 and the movement is clunky that alone deserves to be redesigned and updated.
I think I’m good without a kh1 remake I just want them to continue on with the story not step backwards games take so long to come out nowadays
Love the absolute visceral hate Damo has for Days' gameplay 🤣. I too, personally hate that godforsaken control panel (among other things, but that's the straw that obliterates the camel's back) with my whole being; ya lemme carry in a limited number of spells, so much fun 🙄. You (and maybe along with resident Re:Coded lover WaterKH) should do a friendly, civil debate with HMK, who continues to vehemently put Days over Re: Coded as the better game to play 😬😰🤢. He had one with another content creator on the topic of loving vs. hating Terra as a character 😅🤭.
whatever square Enix did with dragon quest 11 should be how they handle kingdom hearts that game had alot of good bonus content and was really good as base game.
Yes because the 3D eyes they had back then were... not good. The flat 2D texture ones looked nicer overall but were less expressive. Not to mention the constant shift between the two styles was always so jarring. The new PS4 models strike a nice balance between expressiveness and good looks.
The big question you guys didnt ask is how much would people be willing to actually pay for a Khux Remake/Days Remake/Kh1 remake.
Would people pay a full 60/70 dollars for a mobile game from years ago?
Sure Hardcore fans like us would but would that be enough?
Love listening to these.
KH1 doesn’t need to be remade. We already have final mix
Currently playing through the Mega Man Zero/ZX collection of GBA/DS games, would be nice if SE did something similar to at least give people to option to play original GBA CoM and the DS games more conveniently.
I don't need a Union X Unreal engine remake, I just want it released on something other than mobile and with all the gacha stuff ripped out so I can play it myself.
After I binge listened over the weekend, I start by saying I am loving the podcast. I have three things to say on things that were talked about here.
On the remakes and disney - there is actually another reason Disney insists on them. Unfortunatly a very corporate one. The remakes are a way to keep the rights on the IPS and characters as they are, because after x years those contracts expire and can be renegotiated with the teams that created those movies. The reason they are live action is so they keep the IP but can let go of the royalty obligations to designers and animators that worked on the originals.
The reason I dont like the idea of a kingdom hearts remake is that you know Nomura would not resist canonizing it to the originals anyway. A true kingdom hearts fan should know this! He would definitly make a FF7R thing of connecting timelines and we don't need it.
About missing link - do you think this is where Luxord and Demyx will be introduced? What are your theories on their origins? Because there was a theory on how Luxords name was Ludor, a latin variation of "Player". With reincarnation, do you think that is back at being possible?
Love you both and thank you for the content. WildcatDiana
I would love if there was movie version of UX with Unreal assets. Not because the 2D assets of the mobile game are bad, I actually like that aesthetic a lot, but because Back Cover is so good and it would be awesome to see UX scenes like that. I don't think Square would ever make it though. There's also soooo many important scenes in UX that it would be impossible to make a reasonable movie version without having to cut some content.
Nomura talked about doing a novel version of DR that possibly could include cut content.
I love KH1 as it is ,but I wouldn't be mad if they tried to make KH1 remake with updated graphics, better gameplay than kh2 and 3 , and gummi ships finally good and improved some other stuff , it would just be the greatest thing ever while keeping all its magic (if they don't ruin it by overdoin it or changing it, etc...), my "retro" copy will always be there on my shelf if I want to play it
Accessibility is the main issue with a lot of newcomers to the series or even people who started the series later, with kh2 or other games, end up getting lost bc of lack of indications, clunky fighting...and completely miss the engagement the story gives, how the game is constructed on every aspect with disney and the antagonsits when it's by far the best in the series for that , the game design and level design and what's make it so good and magical cause they focus on the gameplay fr and what they're used to from other games they play, and kh1 looks outdated on some aspects; so a remake would clear those aspect, and make its great points shine as it deserves and everybody would benefit from it , even long time fans and Resident Evil 2 is the perfect exemple for that so why not tbh
I just want you guys to take a few moments and go through some of the Square and SE titles and take extra care to notice how much effort they put into minute details and then ask yourself why they made an Unreal version of KH1 Sora 🤣
I want frozen in kh3 to be remade into something that makes sense
play genshin impact. 2 years now and can be played without spending a single dollar even though it has gacha. even end game stuff can be defeated with starter chars. also the lore is PHENOMENAL, damo would be in awe
I do agree days was a fun story but the combat was not great the neverland boss was way harder than it should have been
I am one of those angry FF7 fans that really hates the remake. It is a game from 1997 with very dated graphics so an HD overhaul to it would have been appreciated (especially since a younger audience can have difficulty with it because of how dated those graphics are). I wouldn't have had an issue with some of the changes (the expansion of Jessie, Biggs, and Wedge excluding the deepground stuff is an example of some okay additions to the story) but the entire product was a bait an switch. I feel like if KH1 was remade then every level would have Xemnas showing up to speak cryptically at Sora and at Hollow Bastion Donald would get nort'd.
I actually just started playing KH1 HD for the first time yesterday. I’ve played a lot of the side games before, but never KH1 or KH2 because I didn’t have the consoles growing up. I think remaking it would depend more on whether or not the devs want new, younger players to experience it. As someone who already liked kingdom hearts, it’s been fun. But I’m already used to playing games from the early 2000s, so I don’t really mind a lot of the visual wonkiness, and combat that doesn’t feel as fluid as the later games or genshin. If their goal is to get people younger than me to get into the main series, I think a remake (maybe not done by the main team itself) would be a better entry point than the HD version. I can’t really picture many teenagers picking up KH1 as it is, mainly older players who somehow missed it like me or want to replay it would enjoy it.
Oh god the ultimate monkey's paw, we get a Days remake but it's a mobile game, with the hearts Roxas collects as the main currency
The Last of Us Part 1 isn't anywhere near of a "soulless cash grab" as GTA "Definitive " trilogy.
Loving the podcast, they make my
Time at work fly by, that goes
For your other videos too (spent hours listening to everything you’ve posted).
on the subject of gacha’s i think SE are on to a winner, do I want to spend money to play / experience the game the game? no, but will I now after experiencing the union X scene in Kh3 ? Probably, the thought of being immortalised in the series I hold
So dear….. and even though I didn’t get my name in it that, I still get shivers when I play it each time . I’m sure it’s not a setup by SE to make players want to spend money In future mobile games, but I think people will see that and want to for a chance to be apart of the games again.
No I could never ever remake kh 1 only cause it would mess with the plot entirely and ruin it because people already think it's confusing enough and that's a farce I rather it be remastered if anything. That's my tea with it
They better not remake kh1 before remaking union x lol.
saying Re:Coded like R.E. Coded is unhinged ~ or should I say unchained ~ It's not a Resident Evil game lmao
The Re in Re:Coded is short for remake and is said just like the normal prefix re- like in remake, redo, relive etc ~
I liked days gameplay more than re:coded.
If they do remake Kingdom Hearts 1, it would either be:
A. Updated graphics with quality of life changes that were present in later games
or
B. Option A, but the entire story is rebooted, with a new writer instead of Tetsuya Nomura
No
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Short answer no they should not be remade
The ps2 games? No. The DS games yes. why? Can't play recoded or 358 days on current systems, need a ds system or 3ds system to play it
i just wanted to say... cloud games are trash, that's it,makes no sense to pay full price and u don't even own it
Nah
Yeah they should remake 3 and make it a good game
They should remake kh3
Lol
Chain of Memories isnt a remake. It doesn't have even half of the content of the actual game the first one had. Just the design and that's it.
The answer is NO. I have not watched the video, but NO they should NOT. just remake ports for the games that were adapted into movies.
No. Honestly square Enix should give up that franchise all together
And why's that?
Lmao you’re in for a huge disappointment