THIS IS AN OLD VIDEO!!! It’s also pretty bad. Here’s a link to a better video of this run by me: czcams.com/video/1VF8Ts5ZJLY/video.htmlsi=ewcjGAMb_sAYvaYd
I remember skiing this run as a kid. Probably 25 years ago now. It used to be very doable and I remember it to be very hard, but fun. Seems now like it's super overgrown and has had no maintenance in a while.
The “official entrance” to black hole is actually a little further down the mountain (something I just found out last week). The entrance I’m using is the technical “top” of the WOODS the trail is in, but I’m not actually on the “official” Black Hole trail until after that big cliff. But if you are an experienced skier, I think you should give this cliff a try, and honestly I’m still considering it part of Black Hole because it is actually deserving of a triple black rating, it’s scarily steep, narrow, and a slight slip will send you barreling 30 feet down a ~5 foot wide corridor on a cliff.
For everyone saying it doesn't look steep and he can't ski/ is skiing way above his ability: The upper half of this run is absolutely insane and the angle doesn't do it justice. It is very much just survival skiing- with better coverage you can get some jump turns in at the beginning, but for the coverage he had that day, sidestepping is the smart option one slip and you tumble down like 100 feet ricocheting off rocks and trees.
This is easily my least favorite video on my channel, it’s my very first one that I threw up without much thought and it ended up becoming my most popular. You’re absolutely right, the GoPro doesn’t do it justice. However I also didn’t bring my best to the table here. I just did a run of this trail a couple weeks ago, planning on throwing it in an upcoming video. I like to think I shredded it up pretty well but that’s for the viewer to decide. However I remember this day, absolutely not the best condition to do this, and it is incredibly steep in person, probably around 40-50 degree pitch if not more
@@ThatPinkSuitGuy I mean it's good to be humble and put multiple attempts at the same run under various conditions so someone doesn't see you shredding it on a perfect day and think "ohh that looks so easy for a triple black" and then they end up hurt or stuck in a spot they cant get themself out of
I, as a snowboarder, didn’t have much trouble with the cliff, but my friend on skis however… he ended up sliding backwards on his back and doing a backflip into a bush 😭 😭 😭
Is that trail just a badge of honor because I don’t know why anyone would purposely run their skiis over rock? I avoid rocks because I treat my equipment well. I don’t ski a trail that is a rock unless I would be given a free set of skis at the bottom.
Are you sure you're meant to do this on skis rather than snow shoes? Bcus that is just straight forest. If I were told that this is supposed to be a skiing run, I'd feel cheated. 😆
I skied this many times but laughed when it opened as a glade on the trail map bc I’d never seen such little effort put into a trail map glade from a resort… it’s like they just put a trail sign up, clapped their hands together, and declared “new trail”… total cost $20
You're doing what most people do on that run, you're "getting down it", you're not skiing it. It's just not a very good run in my opinion, and unless you know it well and get to it when it's fresh, it's a complete waste of time. You did fine. I used to work at Smugg's; taught Snowboarding from the 90s into the 2000s. When people would ask us if we thought they were ready to ride "out back" (beyond the area boundary), we'd take them down TBH. Very few displayed the necessary skills to get the nod. Very few. But I remember this kid from Toronto who I was giving private lessons to, Sara. She was 12 or 13. I nick-named her smooth because she just fucking had it! I took her down TBH for the obligatory test and she cruised it. Like charged into those woods and never stopped. She Dolphin'd it top to bottom. We ripped past ski patrol in there too, they were wide eye'd at Smooth, pig tails flying behind her, maching through there like a friggin' pro. Seriously, I've ridden with a lot of talented people and I still think she's the most talented natural rider I've even had the pleasure to work with. Anyhow, if you think this is difficult...don't leave the resort boundary. It's steeper, tighter, and has actual drops. And no one comes to rescue you if you fuck it up. Stay safe!
This follows the question -“hey, can I borrow your skis?” Video shows two eastern skiing realities at once; rating inflation and “rice” (rocks and ice together). I’ve skied Smuggs many times, no double blacks there let alone triple…some really bad runs though. Can be a really fun place to ski with the family.
How is that even a named run? Maybe it is an east coast thing? I'm confused... with so many dense trees and no real route, it seems that this is just a steep overgrown tree run. Am I wrong? Kudo's to That Pink Suit Guy for navigating that. It didn't look fun. (edit: i looked at the Smugglers Notch trail map and Black Hole appears to be a chute which is not what this video looked like)
idk how this man is staying calm. On my first green, I pretty much shot strait down the slope, ski patrol had to get me because I fell and pulled a muscle.
I have since found out that the upper cliff is not technically part of the trail, it’s an additional entrance. The actual entrance is a secret little passage onto the glades directly after the cliff. So if I had to guess, that’s what ski patrol actually checks. However, even with the cliff, the trail is definitely triple black worthy in my books, at least compared to the rest of Smuggs trails.
The run under the lift and the upper black hole doesn't look like it's fun to ski at all. Plus it looks like a rocky edge wrecker. There were some soft turns to be had in the lower black hole though.
if you are a beginner: Morse Highlands is super fun if you are intermediate: all of Sterling is a great choice, also try out Doc Dempseys and FIS at Madonna if you are an expert: do all the doubles, they're all super fun. If you're really up for a challenge, you could try something like Hershey Squirts which is an unofficial trail that is behind a fence off Drifter (if you take Drifter top to bottom you'll know what I'm talking about.) Some fun trails (personal favorites): Robins Run, Madonna Liftline, Freefall, all the pipelines (there's multiple segments), Doc Dempseys, and if you want some easier stuff, shakedown, knights revenge, or smugglers alley.
OMG you suck 😖 It can be skied, it can even be enjoyed. It can even be used as a freeride competition course, and is; the only 3* in the east. This year's is Sunday, 2/26, and yes, I'm on the roster.
Have you ever been to Cannon? Kinsman, D.J.'s, Amazon, and Wicked Haahhd all are steeper and make this glade look like you could drive a school bus thru it.
the cliff is about 70-80 degrees, once you get pasted the cliff (which is really just for flexing on your friends) you have a regular double diamond woods trail which is super fun
@@xL0stHero in the west it looks steep even on gopro Even though I've skied above 50 degrees it was an open face, this looks harder cause there's stuff everywhere not cause its stee0
@@ezpznoob8092 a lot of the difficulty comes from it being so tight, and out west looks steeper because the trails are so open so you can get a reference of how truly steep the terrain is
A lot of people say this. The top part with the cliff is really just a flex, but once you get pasted it it is a really fun trail (and yes it is official haha).
There is no triple diamond in Le Massif, but there's a backcountry section which can get sketchy depending where you are. You can even look at the official map, there's no triple diamond in the legend But Le Massif de Charlevoix is indeed one of the best mountains in the East, most particularly with its view of the Saint Lawrence
@@bulgarianb3ast I personally ski in Québec, but went to British Columbia several times. You can find trails that are as difficult in both regions, the only difference is in terms of vertical drop, as mountains are much higher in the West. My local mountain only has 400m of vertical drop, which is tiny relatively to what you can find in British Columbia
Jay peak lol I have been there, nice place. Btw you tired JFK U.N or Kitzwoods cause in my opinion Kitzwoods is a very good compassion to black hole. Not to challenging comparing the triple blacks at big sky.
THIS IS AN OLD VIDEO!!! It’s also pretty bad. Here’s a link to a better video of this run by me: czcams.com/video/1VF8Ts5ZJLY/video.htmlsi=ewcjGAMb_sAYvaYd
I remember skiing this run as a kid. Probably 25 years ago now. It used to be very doable and I remember it to be very hard, but fun. Seems now like it's super overgrown and has had no maintenance in a while.
The “official entrance” to black hole is actually a little further down the mountain (something I just found out last week). The entrance I’m using is the technical “top” of the WOODS the trail is in, but I’m not actually on the “official” Black Hole trail until after that big cliff.
But if you are an experienced skier, I think you should give this cliff a try, and honestly I’m still considering it part of Black Hole because it is actually deserving of a triple black rating, it’s scarily steep, narrow, and a slight slip will send you barreling 30 feet down a ~5 foot wide corridor on a cliff.
Great for rental skis
😭😭
Not every good skier can afford their own skis lmao
@@carsonedits2005 he said that because of the amount of rocks and stuff that could scratch your skis and you don’t want to scratch your own skis
@@Tstorm1468 oh my bad lol
Anytime I rent or demo I get the extra insurance then gun them through the shit
I laughed so hard I was crying. “Uh, my back is sore…Cliff conquered” Absolutely classic!
Worst thing about cameras it doesn't really show how vertical the run is. But I'm going to assume it's very steep.
Looking from the cameras it's probably around a 21 degree angle at the start
The start is very steep
@@xL0stHero I mean before he gets on the trail
@@callistofluff the start of the black hole is very steep, upper liftline is about just as steep
@@xL0stHero That's just a estimate from the video, chill
I wouldn't necessarily call that CONQUERED... looks like the Black hole won. Nice work though, you made it!
I like the running commentary about how awful this run is.
I’m glad I saw this so now I don’t need to ski it
Awesome commentary! Great job sticking with it!
I skied that 20 years ago. It looks exactly like I remember it. 😆
That's not skiing, that's surviving
I have done that run many many times. Makes me excited for the upcoming season!
For everyone saying it doesn't look steep and he can't ski/ is skiing way above his ability: The upper half of this run is absolutely insane and the angle doesn't do it justice. It is very much just survival skiing- with better coverage you can get some jump turns in at the beginning, but for the coverage he had that day, sidestepping is the smart option one slip and you tumble down like 100 feet ricocheting off rocks and trees.
This is easily my least favorite video on my channel, it’s my very first one that I threw up without much thought and it ended up becoming my most popular. You’re absolutely right, the GoPro doesn’t do it justice. However I also didn’t bring my best to the table here. I just did a run of this trail a couple weeks ago, planning on throwing it in an upcoming video. I like to think I shredded it up pretty well but that’s for the viewer to decide.
However I remember this day, absolutely not the best condition to do this, and it is incredibly steep in person, probably around 40-50 degree pitch if not more
@@ThatPinkSuitGuy I mean it's good to be humble and put multiple attempts at the same run under various conditions so someone doesn't see you shredding it on a perfect day and think "ohh that looks so easy for a triple black" and then they end up hurt or stuck in a spot they cant get themself out of
I, as a snowboarder, didn’t have much trouble with the cliff, but my friend on skis however… he ended up sliding backwards on his back and doing a backflip into a bush 😭 😭 😭
This is how I felt on my first blue ☠
same XD
Is that trail just a badge of honor because I don’t know why anyone would purposely run their skiis over rock? I avoid rocks because I treat my equipment well. I don’t ski a trail that is a rock unless I would be given a free set of skis at the bottom.
doing the big cliff at the top is definitely just for a flex, but once you do the cliff it is a really fun (although challenging) trail
I run my skies over rock and all kinds of destruction things. Then again I have multiple pairs of skies and skies are just tools. I use mine.
Mount Sutton in Quebec has a trail kinda like this. Triple black called the Boo Boo. It's lots of fun!
Lost in the woods. Happens to me too.
Wow. I'm glad you posted this video. I honestly don't think I would enjoy this trail. Or rather this lack of a trail.
Seems like you created a “brown patch” in the Back Hole.
Awesome footage! Always wondered about smugglers, seems like a cool vibe ⛷️
It’s a great vibe.
Bro skied out of his ability level
That is how you get into the next level tho
ive been skiing for half my life and i shit my pants watching this
Are you sure you're meant to do this on skis rather than snow shoes?
Bcus that is just straight forest.
If I were told that this is supposed to be a skiing run, I'd feel cheated. 😆
I skied this many times but laughed when it opened as a glade on the trail map bc I’d never seen such little effort put into a trail map glade from a resort… it’s like they just put a trail sign up, clapped their hands together, and declared “new trail”… total cost $20
You're doing what most people do on that run, you're "getting down it", you're not skiing it. It's just not a very good run in my opinion, and unless you know it well and get to it when it's fresh, it's a complete waste of time. You did fine. I used to work at Smugg's; taught Snowboarding from the 90s into the 2000s. When people would ask us if we thought they were ready to ride "out back" (beyond the area boundary), we'd take them down TBH. Very few displayed the necessary skills to get the nod. Very few. But I remember this kid from Toronto who I was giving private lessons to, Sara. She was 12 or 13. I nick-named her smooth because she just fucking had it! I took her down TBH for the obligatory test and she cruised it. Like charged into those woods and never stopped. She Dolphin'd it top to bottom. We ripped past ski patrol in there too, they were wide eye'd at Smooth, pig tails flying behind her, maching through there like a friggin' pro. Seriously, I've ridden with a lot of talented people and I still think she's the most talented natural rider I've even had the pleasure to work with.
Anyhow, if you think this is difficult...don't leave the resort boundary. It's steeper, tighter, and has actual drops. And no one comes to rescue you if you fuck it up. Stay safe!
Hope those were your rock skis!
There rentals so yeah
I just got done watching a bunch of videos of people skiing out west. Then watched this. What is up with all the bare spots?
This follows the question -“hey, can I borrow your skis?” Video shows two eastern skiing realities at once; rating inflation and “rice” (rocks and ice together). I’ve skied Smuggs many times, no double blacks there let alone triple…some really bad runs though. Can be a really fun place to ski with the family.
Great run hacked really bad here.
I am only 8 years old and I skied a double black diamond back in 2022
How is that even a named run? Maybe it is an east coast thing? I'm confused... with so many dense trees and no real route, it seems that this is just a steep overgrown tree run. Am I wrong? Kudo's to That Pink Suit Guy for navigating that. It didn't look fun. (edit: i looked at the Smugglers Notch trail map and Black Hole appears to be a chute which is not what this video looked like)
Looks more like an ice-hole that’s a black hole.
idk how this man is staying calm. On my first green, I pretty much shot strait down the slope, ski patrol had to get me because I fell and pulled a muscle.
got to ski smugglers notch right after the first real storm and everything was open and the trees were deeeeeep!
actually, we scrubbed down the cliff part of upper black hole with 3 other friends when it was still snowy
Doesn't look like any fun. I guess I'm spoiled with steep open bowls and chutes in the West.
Bushwhacking down an almost cliff!
That’s some great skiing there, looks very joyfull
Never go in there alone!
My my those unprotected ski pillars are a hazard
i love skiing and i go every spring break but stuff like this just does not seem fun
don't know why you went into trees at bottom ???
and the top was a rock garden...
jeez louize...
Second half of it looks fun. First half just looked like lame sidestepping through dense woods
You are patrols worst nightmare
It needs a lot more snow to be rideable
Just went on it today
Insanitys state of mind over matter puff puff
How does ski patrol check this at end of day?
I have since found out that the upper cliff is not technically part of the trail, it’s an additional entrance. The actual entrance is a secret little passage onto the glades directly after the cliff.
So if I had to guess, that’s what ski patrol actually checks. However, even with the cliff, the trail is definitely triple black worthy in my books, at least compared to the rest of Smuggs trails.
Average tree line at copper
Looks like a good way to get lost.
The run under the lift and the upper black hole doesn't look like it's fun to ski at all. Plus it looks like a rocky edge wrecker. There were some soft turns to be had in the lower black hole though.
This is why I snowboard.
This is some sick content Pink Suit! Subbed on my end. Which runs to recommend I do at Smuggs next week?
if you are a beginner: Morse Highlands is super fun
if you are intermediate: all of Sterling is a great choice, also try out Doc Dempseys and FIS at Madonna
if you are an expert: do all the doubles, they're all super fun. If you're really up for a challenge, you could try something like Hershey Squirts which is an unofficial trail that is behind a fence off Drifter (if you take Drifter top to bottom you'll know what I'm talking about.)
Some fun trails (personal favorites): Robins Run, Madonna Liftline, Freefall, all the pipelines (there's multiple segments), Doc Dempseys, and if you want some easier stuff, shakedown, knights revenge, or smugglers alley.
@@ThatPinkSuitGuy I appreciate that breakdown man! Excited to see more content from you, keep shreddin!
bro went over every single rock possible
Idk if I would call this a double black lol there’s just no snow lool if there was snow that would be a black maybe 🫥
I feel sorry for ya'll ice coast skiers. I assume that passes for a powder day?
Where was the cliff
I'm gonna be stuck in those trees if I try this.
Is this skiing? He's crawling down the slope.
Dude, this looks miserable. A steep forest…
Just gave me another reason to never visit the east coast.
January skiing at Squaw is awful always icy!!!
OMG. Note to the Notch - you can't just put a sign up and call it a trail. This can't be skied, and shouldn't be tried.
OMG you suck 😖
It can be skied, it can even be enjoyed.
It can even be used as a freeride competition course, and is; the only 3* in the east. This year's is Sunday, 2/26, and yes, I'm on the roster.
Have you ever been to Cannon? Kinsman, D.J.'s, Amazon, and Wicked Haahhd all are steeper and make this glade look like you could drive a school bus thru it.
No such thing as a triple black diamond, that's a double black....maybe
Buddy was struggling the entire run, his line could have been so much better
Good Lord what is happening here
Bru that doesn’t even look like a trail
Fr thats not even a trail 😭😭
@@aj2no17 oh trust me, it is
It’s a rabbit trail maybe
This is a marked run? This can't be right, looks like you got lost in the woods.. :)
That black hole is a weasler,real tight
Feel sorry for you peeps. We are skiing on a 15ft base and you guys are skiing on 6inches covering rocks and grass.
You could say it's a different type of challenge :)
It sucks. There’s nothing to do except go fast or do park.
They should have named it brown hole. Hahaha
Never heard that one lmao
This looks harder than corbets
Lmfao.
Well, if you sit down in Corbets you want get up until ski patrol drops you at the hospital.
@@Osnosis yeah but ski patrol can’t get to you in this glade
Only looks hard because it’s the ice coast and it’s suboptimal conditions
@@averagejojofan8649 so you think you can ski it no sweat?
I think you might be lost…
Why bother with a rock riddled run like this? You like working with P-tex or something?
bro your skis though
Dumb trail but thank for posting
Wow it’s a glade.
what’s the pitch on the trail?
the cliff is about 70-80 degrees, once you get pasted the cliff (which is really just for flexing on your friends) you have a regular double diamond woods trail which is super fun
This didn't look like a good time at all 🤣
Ridiculous, really surprised he didn’t run in to Sasquatch or the Yeti! I’m sorry but that is not skiing! Cringe, and obviously not his ski’s
Right? Why are you skiing on rocks?!?
ah the black hole
Free Fall should be the triple.
This just doesn’t look fun at all lol, this is literally just survival
Ya, no thanks
steepest run in the east:
nah im joking it looks miserable but its not steep
It actually is the one of the steepest, on video it doesn’t look as steep tho
@@xL0stHero in the west it looks steep even on gopro
Even though I've skied above 50 degrees it was an open face, this looks harder cause there's stuff everywhere not cause its stee0
@@ezpznoob8092 yeah it’s hard because the top part is skinny, I just went on it today
@@ezpznoob8092 a lot of the difficulty comes from it being so tight, and out west looks steeper because the trails are so open so you can get a reference of how truly steep the terrain is
This is actually considered a run ?? Looks more annoying and exhausting than challenging.
A lot of people say this. The top part with the cliff is really just a flex, but once you get pasted it it is a really fun trail (and yes it is official haha).
much easier if snowboard for this😂
madonna mountain is a destination for glade skiers! This dude isn't very good, but if he were to look forward, wow!
i jumped down the cliff. beat way down!
wait no. he skipped the actual cliff... went the wrong way...
What your problem, he is good and let him be happy
@@dtr2548 he said he went over the cliff, he didn't. Simple.
How is this fun 🤔
That kinda looks like it sucks
Well this looked like a waste of time. Shesh not even remotely fun.
doesnt look fun honestly, just for bragging rights it seems like lol. pretty sure anyone could do this if they went slow and steady
Bro this is like a double black but could kill u
It’s called the black hole, you go in you might disappear forever
@@ThatPinkSuitGuy lol
Weak… triple black? Nah
This doesnt look fun at all.
Good on you but this shit just does not look enjoyable at all
not the only triple black in the east, le massif has le charlevoix which the top is considered a triple.
Searched it and didn’t find anything, do you have a video of anyone doing it?
I’d love to check it out
There is no triple diamond in Le Massif, but there's a backcountry section which can get sketchy depending where you are. You can even look at the official map, there's no triple diamond in the legend
But Le Massif de Charlevoix is indeed one of the best mountains in the East, most particularly with its view of the Saint Lawrence
Is a triple in the east like a double in the west?
@@bulgarianb3ast I personally ski in Québec, but went to British Columbia several times. You can find trails that are as difficult in both regions, the only difference is in terms of vertical drop, as mountains are much higher in the West. My local mountain only has 400m of vertical drop, which is tiny relatively to what you can find in British Columbia
Looks like your climbing not sking
That did not look fun.
Probably easier on a snowboard
this is a blue square at jay.....
Jay peak lol I have been there, nice place. Btw you tired JFK U.N or Kitzwoods cause in my opinion Kitzwoods is a very good compassion to black hole. Not to challenging comparing the triple blacks at big sky.
@@shadowking5410 ive went there for holiday break lol, skied some of the blacks there, didn't try kitzwoods tho
Lame