Two Accidents At Disneyland | A Short Documentary | Fascinating Horror

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  • "On the 17th of July, 1955, the Disneyland amusement park in California opened for business. It was an almost instant success..."
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    CHAPTERS:
    00:00 - Intro
    00:42 - Background
    02:12 - The America Sings Accident
    06:10 - The Sailing Ship Columbia Accident
    09:23 - Conclusion
    MUSIC:
    ► "Glass Pond" by Public Memory
    SOURCES:
    ► "The Death of Deborah Gail Stone at Disneyland’s America Sings Attraction" by David Mikkelson, published by Snopes, February 1996. Link: www.snopes.com/fact-check/deb....
    ► "Death in Disneyland: Remembering the park's most turbulent era" by Katie Dowd, published by SFGATE, April 2022. Link: www.sfgate.com/disneyland/art....
    ► "Remembering Deborah" by Patrick Stibbs, published by citynews, June 2004. Link: 3.bp.blogspot.com/_3jV5FcVqpE8....
    ► "Disneyland, Family Settle Suit Over 1998 Death" by E Scott Reckard, published by the Los Angeles Times, October 2000. Link: www.latimes.com/archives/la-x....
    ► "Duvall Man Hurt At Disneyland Dies From Injuries" by Seattle Times Staff, published by the Seattle Times, December 1998. Link: archive.seattletimes.com/arch....
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  • @FascinatingHorror
    @FascinatingHorror  Před 2 lety +220

    My friend Disasterthon has also covered the America Sings accident. Go take a look at his video (czcams.com/video/gBxY3PfkwXM/video.html) if you want to learn more, and see some shots of the ride in progress too!

    • @lamanamanume
      @lamanamanume Před 2 lety

      You can't die AT Disneyland, but you can be declared dead AFTER your off the grounds though.

    • @FatRescueSwimmer04
      @FatRescueSwimmer04 Před 2 lety +3

      seen them both, good job to you both!!!

    • @DisasterthonTrueHorror
      @DisasterthonTrueHorror Před 2 lety +2

      💪🏻💪🏻

    • @Roddy556
      @Roddy556 Před 2 lety +1

      Fascinating Horror, could you make a video about Tilikum the killer killer whale?

    • @timothybelgard-wiley4823
      @timothybelgard-wiley4823 Před rokem +1

      ...I rode the matterhorn as a 6 year old in the early 60s, it was terrifying and I've never rode another roller coaster 🎢, I get shaky just being around them at carnivals, that kind of thing will change you...the scariest ride I will go on is the ferris wheel 🎡....I mostly watch and worry about others riding them.....

  • @Law-and-Disorder
    @Law-and-Disorder Před 2 lety +3044

    The America sings accident is horrifying to think about. ‘Keep clear of moving parts’ is no joke

    • @KFennnny
      @KFennnny Před 2 lety +150

      @@Stevie-J stay seated. On carousel of progress in fla there’s seats in the back the host has to go sit in while the room rotates. They also moved the microphone box way back from the edge of the wall, idk why it was so close in the first place

    • @TheKingOfNachosTM
      @TheKingOfNachosTM Před 2 lety +82

      Oh man, I remembered watching a Defunctland episode of it and it was really jarring and terrifying to hear what had happened to that poor employee

    • @Jeffrey-iq7op
      @Jeffrey-iq7op Před 2 lety +61

      However, when the Pirates of the Caribbean ride breaks down, the pirates don't EAT the TOURISTS...

    • @amydamjanovic9183
      @amydamjanovic9183 Před 2 lety +29

      Disasterthon did a really good video on that incident, he talked a lot about Debbie and paid tribute to her life in lots of detail.

    • @tails4944
      @tails4944 Před 2 lety +69

      If you've ever been around industrial or construction machinery you'll have a well placed fear of "pinch points." The points between moving objects and solid ones. If they don't kill you, they'll take something from you.

  • @desertprince2392
    @desertprince2392 Před 2 lety +1722

    I think this channel might be one of the best 'accident/disaster channels' I've come across. Most channels like this emphasise the horror of it to the point where it winds up feeling almost exploitative towards the victim(s) like they weren't real people who suffered and/or lost their lives, but this channel manages to frame the events in a way where you learn about what happened without exploiting the victim(s) deaths or injuries, without withholding the information. Good on you man.

    • @daffers2345
      @daffers2345 Před 2 lety +60

      This is by far my favorite of these channels, though I sometimes watch others. He is respectful, calm, and factual without adding fluff or opinion. I think it makes it far more effective than someone who is exploitative, and I appreciate his videos quite a lot.

    • @SandrA-hr5zk
      @SandrA-hr5zk Před 2 lety +36

      I enjoy watching Mentour Pilot for aviation incidents. He's an active commercial pilot, so he's able to explain things in more depth. And then there's The History Guy, who was a former history teacher. Kyle Hill's "Half-Life Series" on nuclear incidents.
      I just love how these creators have turned the tables on telling stories. Journalism has gotten way too sensationalism, and it doesn't need to be that way.

    • @horsepanther
      @horsepanther Před 2 lety +2

      @Desert Prince I totally agree

    • @Zulf85
      @Zulf85 Před 2 lety +32

      Not to mention how their videos at the end often discuss the changes that occurred moving forward and what was done to make the world safer - sometimes even years into the future from the event. It feels like the owner(s) of this channel is responsible and aware of the reach they have

    • @patientallison
      @patientallison Před 2 lety +8

      @@daffers2345 Other channels I really like are Disaster Breakdown, Brick Immortar, and Plainly Difficult.

  • @introspectivetonysoprano
    @introspectivetonysoprano Před 2 lety +1718

    I fractured my arm at Disney in 2007 trying to avoid stepping on any of the little kids that had broke away from their parents. I lost my footing and tripped off the curb inside the park. They hauled all kinds of ass to make sure I was taken care of.

    • @WobblesandBean
      @WobblesandBean Před 2 lety

      Just one more reason why I hate kids.

    • @CieraMychele
      @CieraMychele Před 2 lety +243

      My dad broke his arm at the park when he was a kid, too. Goofing around sitting on those bars in frontierland, the ones that look like the things you tie horses to. So fast forward a decade or two and whenever we walked by he would point out "the spot" LOL

    • @andrewnorrie2731
      @andrewnorrie2731 Před 2 lety +51

      @@BitcoinPitbull My sentiments exactly; a wonderful turn of phrase.

    • @Todomo
      @Todomo Před 2 lety +64

      @@BitcoinPitbull it’s common saying in the south, you aren’t stealing it haha

    • @ravioli2020
      @ravioli2020 Před 2 lety +121

      I got lost at Disney World when I was under 6yrs old and the staff found me and took me to security before my family even realized I was missing. When my dad was a teenager, he was arrested for underage drinking in the parking lot of Disneyland, allegedly before he was even able to take his first sip of beer. Accidents happen everywhere, but holy cow does that place have insane response time.

  • @jamesage24
    @jamesage24 Před 2 lety +1492

    I worked in Tomorrowland from 1987 to 1991. By this time, America Sings was empty and we sometimes took our breaks in there. I remember talking about the incident with other cast members like it was an urban legend. Now decades later I'm hearing her name and seeing her face for the first time. Chilling.

    • @Meadowlark73
      @Meadowlark73 Před 2 lety +104

      I've lived in Anaheim since I was a teenager in the early '90s. I had friends that worked at Disneyland (I never did myself) and yeah, they told me about it like it was a rumor or urban legend, maybe it really happened, maybe it didn't. Horrifying to learn that it actually did happen.

    • @isabellind1292
      @isabellind1292 Před 2 lety +34

      Yes, the happiest place isn't suppose to be where you meet your demise. I remember hearing about a young man who also lost his life while piloting one of their theme boats (at either Disneyland or Disney World) and another who was killed while operating the monorail. May these poor people rest in peace.🌹❤

    • @gator9339
      @gator9339 Před 2 lety +5

      I heard she still haunts Tomorrowland

    • @sarahjane2893
      @sarahjane2893 Před rokem

      @@gator9339 what does she do? I wouldn't blame her for doing this! What a horrific way to die

    • @Charlie-hv3dh
      @Charlie-hv3dh Před rokem +13

      Can't imagine how it would feel to have known deborah or been one of the people who heard it/found her/worked with her.

  • @thecinematicmind
    @thecinematicmind Před 2 lety +1978

    The America Sings accident still sends chills down my spine.

    • @kevinsmith7-7-7
      @kevinsmith7-7-7 Před 2 lety +30

      Yeah That's Horror Movie Worthy

    • @Vonage585
      @Vonage585 Před 2 lety +5

      What happened? Ohh wow I just saw it

    • @Ultra_64
      @Ultra_64 Před 2 lety +122

      I remember I saw a video a long time ago that talked about the incident, and they dubbed a fake scream over a home video of the attraction. I thought it was real and couldn't sleep that night lmao I was so scared

    • @Nostripe361
      @Nostripe361 Před 2 lety +40

      @@Ultra_64 I remember Mr Ballen did an episode that included this story. He loves to add a scream to his videos.

    • @Ultra_64
      @Ultra_64 Před 2 lety +21

      @@Nostripe361 Nah it wasn't him (unless he reacted to the same video I'm talking about)
      I could probably find it if I tried. I'll reply with it here if I do.
      Edit: Yeah, it's this video czcams.com/video/XshwhhyiKh0/video.html
      Seriously, younger me was TERRIFIED but looking back it's funny how I didn't notice how fake it was

  • @benny26787
    @benny26787 Před 2 lety +1456

    There are some people who leave this world in ways nobody can imagine how painful or horrific it actually is.

    • @Definitely.Not.Shia.LaBeouf
      @Definitely.Not.Shia.LaBeouf Před 2 lety +71

      The young boy who fell out of the tower ride at ICON park comes to mind. I imagine his last moments were absolute terror.

    • @Markus_Andrew
      @Markus_Andrew Před 2 lety +89

      @@Definitely.Not.Shia.LaBeouf Also the four people who died in 2016 on the "Thunder River Rapids" ride at Australia's Dreamworld (this accident has been covered by Fascinating Horror). The ride was considered fairly sedate, but on that particular day one of the rafts flipped over after colliding with an empty one at the end of the ride and the four occupants were thrown straight into the machinery below the surface. Needless to say, the result was horrific.

    • @triggeredcat120
      @triggeredcat120 Před 2 lety +10

      Or Mindbender. I mean that was sadly an instant death as far as I know, but imagine being one of the riders on it.

    • @chuckselvage3157
      @chuckselvage3157 Před 2 lety +26

      The horrific thing is dying on the job.

    • @septbaaby
      @septbaaby Před 2 lety +5

      @@chuckselvage3157 yeah fr

  • @bigblackchris5263
    @bigblackchris5263 Před 2 lety +1351

    It is a shame that these little oversights can cause people to lose their lives. Something that seems so minor, like having the rope with different material, can turn a seemingly safe ride into a dire situation.

    • @HeyGuy4321
      @HeyGuy4321 Před 2 lety

      that girl was dumb though. thats dangerous

    • @mericanignoranc3551
      @mericanignoranc3551 Před 2 lety +41

      oversights ? They changed ropes to SAVE MONEY, on one ! Not an oversight, criminal neglect.
      Mericans are so obedient to corporations it's frightening .

    • @TheMr.George
      @TheMr.George Před 2 lety +14

      @@mericanignoranc3551 in Florida you can see the govenor isn't playing with Disney.

    • @jb400years4
      @jb400years4 Před 2 lety +5

      It’s cheaper but amusement park people have no fear of SnapBack they aren’t experts

    • @PronatorTendon
      @PronatorTendon Před 2 lety +12

      @@mericanignoranc3551 Of course we are, we've been heavily propagandized for more than seven decades

  • @TheBestAsbestos13
    @TheBestAsbestos13 Před 2 lety +939

    When FH was talking about how a few deaths are inevitable considering the sheer volume of guests at Disney, I kept hearing Mickey Mouse in my head saying, "Some of you may die, but that is a sacrifice I am willing to make. Huh-huh!"

  • @rebekahg6426
    @rebekahg6426 Před 2 lety +559

    As a former employee of a theme park, I can 100% tell you that the sentiment that the theme parks will never be 100% safe is a true one. They do their damnedest to reduce risk of incident, but there'll always be the chance for something to go wrong, for a guest to wander where they shouldn't, or for some sort of freak accident.
    This story might trouble people, but I feel it applicable to share as a point of interest- on the topic of theme park safety. I was a greeter at the front of an indoor roller coaster- y'know, telling people to check in their bags and making sure they were suitable to ride- when, one rainy day, this poor excited kid came *running* towards the line. I called for him to stop running, as he might slip, but he accidentally hit the height check sign. Clung to me, scalp torn up, while his parents panicked. I did my best to stifle the bleeding while calling for medical aid over the callbox at the greeter station.
    You usually expect the accidents to happen at the rides themselves, but it's not always the case. FH did two videos on Kings Island last year that talks more about it, but in this video: czcams.com/video/BYqA0pzGSbY/video.html - there's a segment about an incident involving a *pond* at the park. Worth a watch, if you haven't seen it.
    Thanks, FH, for relaying these stories in such a respectful and honest light.

    • @ZGryphon
      @ZGryphon Před 2 lety +64

      I won't lie, there is a certain beautiful, terrible majesty in the idea of someone being injured by a piece of safety equipment.

    • @jamessimms415
      @jamessimms415 Před 2 lety +12

      The ‘Action Park’ in NJ (I believe) had a lot of safety issues back in the day

    • @EddieSchirmer
      @EddieSchirmer Před 2 lety +12

      oh man.... poor kid... head wounds always bleed a lot (i know, i still have a scar above an eyebrow form an incident many years ago) on my case, i had to get 5 stitches. its certainly to be said, that one has to be careful in all situations, and i have always been very self aware and cautious everywhere i go. still, one never knows, a freak accident can happen to the most careful of us. luckily, i have not yet, witnessed any incidents in a theme park or at Disney parks. but, given the odds, its not impossible. and also, as some one who has always been on the short side, those signs really are quite important. in 1999 or so, i went to Disney Paris and half the rides i was too short to go on, despite being about 45 inches tall at the time... lol. but, that was a strange time, and was the start of an "adventure" (not a good one) in which my mom was diagnosed with cancer, and we (my sister, and I) had to go back to the US for a time while my mom was taken are of in London, before being able to come back for treatment in Boston. in any case, as a long time fan of the Disney Parks, i do appreciate the efforts of the staff members there. its not an easy job, and Disney holds its employees to very high standards, thats for sure.

    • @alicerose512
      @alicerose512 Před 2 lety +15

      The pond one doesn't shock me at all! At my local amusement park, the majority of deaths came from drunk people falling in the super shallow lake, maybe five feet, and drowning. They used to let people take little swan boats out on it, and after however many deaths stopped. The ways people get hurt at amusement parks are not the ways you'd think people would get hurt at amusement parks.

    • @MariaThePotterNut
      @MariaThePotterNut Před rokem +7

      The most dangerous attraction (or formerly) at either park in California, Disneyland or California Adventures, isn't one you'd think of. In Bugs Land, basically the area for younger kids in California Adventures was a ride called
      Tuck and Roll's Drive 'Em Buggies, a bumper car style ride. And because how bumper cars work, with an electrified floor powering the cars, it is above and beyond the most dangerous attraction on property. I used to be a Stores cast member, and had friends in Attractions, and they would talk about it, and how it took extra training basically to be put on that rotation. Because of how many precautions are put into the ride, there hasn't been issues, but it's still the most dangerous one.

  • @samtrujillo794
    @samtrujillo794 Před 2 lety +208

    The fact that Deborah would be 66 years old if she was still alive now, 9 years older than my mom, truly brings me sadness.

    • @Formerkdubz
      @Formerkdubz Před rokem +12

      She would be the same age as my mom who is also named Debra. So bizarre to think about.

  • @tfrowlett8752
    @tfrowlett8752 Před 2 lety +546

    The Matterhorn was the first to claim a life in 1964 when a guest stood up and was ejected onto the tracks. He died four days later. It was deemed as a suicide. There were 57 other fatalities.

    • @tfrowlett8752
      @tfrowlett8752 Před 2 lety +105

      For more context, the guy has just had a massive argument with his girlfriend just before he rode.

    • @tfrowlett8752
      @tfrowlett8752 Před 2 lety +115

      As a final note, 45 of those deaths happened outside the park, two were helicopter crashes and one was a gunfight in the parking lot

    • @doggolovescheese1310
      @doggolovescheese1310 Před 2 lety +145

      @@tfrowlett8752 lol I thought you meant 57 other fatalities on the matterhorn x_x

    • @tfrowlett8752
      @tfrowlett8752 Před 2 lety +10

      @@louisamoon5175 I believe so, I would need to look further into that

    • @sunsetlights100
      @sunsetlights100 Před 2 lety +7

      58 deaths at Disney land! Whoa Does that include people having medical events!

  • @OffhandDisney
    @OffhandDisney Před 2 lety +1005

    Great video! The America Sings incident was truly horrible. That building is still there, and you used to be able to visit it. Very eerie.

    • @DemonPrince81
      @DemonPrince81 Před 2 lety +20

      Did they close the Star Wars Launch Bay now? I remember going into that building but that way back in 2017.

    • @littlebitofhope1489
      @littlebitofhope1489 Před 2 lety +61

      My Father was the Investigator on that case. You have no idea.

    • @projectamis4772
      @projectamis4772 Před 2 lety +14

      @@littlebitofhope1489 do tell us

    • @princessmarlena1359
      @princessmarlena1359 Před 2 lety +35

      You still can visit it, but it doesn’t move. When I was there last time it was made into a movie costume memorabilia display for the big budget Marvel superhero movies.

    • @willissudweeks1050
      @willissudweeks1050 Před 2 lety +11

      @@littlebitofhope1489 Yes I’d like to hear more about it as well

  • @jeffrapier947
    @jeffrapier947 Před 2 lety +227

    As ex-Navy, I started to cringe when you mentioned the mooring line. We get shown videos on the effects of Snapback, so I was expecting that, not the whole cleat being ripped out and becoming a projectile. Don't know which is more terrifying.

    • @ZGryphon
      @ZGryphon Před 2 lety +7

      For just a second, I was convinced we were about to hear about someone who stepped in a bight.

    • @jamessimms415
      @jamessimms415 Před 2 lety +12

      If mooring lines breaking aren’t bad enough, an arresting wire snapping on an aircraft carrier is just as bad if not worse.

    • @michaeltaylor1603
      @michaeltaylor1603 Před 2 lety +8

      The wood was also rotten in that area as well. Disney could have gotten it a lot of trouble as they were "cleaning up" the area before first responders arrived (A no NO!)

    • @davidcox3076
      @davidcox3076 Před 2 lety +1

      @@jamessimms415 YIKES! That's too terrifying to even imagine.

    • @mistermist634
      @mistermist634 Před rokem +5

      American try not to mention military at every possibility challenge (impossible)

  • @SkunkApe407
    @SkunkApe407 Před 2 lety +188

    USN veteran and former Silver Springs Glass Bottom Boat dockhand here. The purpose of hemp rope isn't because it breaks easier. Quite the opposite in fact. Hemp rope is far stronger than nylon, and therefore doesn't stretch. The stretch of the nylon rope acted as a slingshot, launching the cleat like a projectile. Had they been using hemp, the cleat would have broken sooner, with less potential energy stored in the mooring line, meaning the cleat would have most likely fallen harmlessly into the water.
    As for why the stronger hemp rope was used, boats and ships are expensive. Mooring lines are meant to keep a vessel secured to a dock or pier. A line that breaks easily completely defeats the purpose of mooring lines.
    On another note, the US banned all hemp products, including rope, which lead to the US Navy, US Coast Guard, and Merchant Marines adopting the use of manilla rope. Manilla fiber isn't nearly as strong as hemp, but is still far stronger than nylon. Nylon would have been a failed product, if not for a yellow journalism campaign against hemp, and a conveniently timed offer to the US government for discount prices on nylon products. The Dupont company just so happened to be behind the yellow journalism and the creators and patent holders of nylon.

    • @quillmaurer6563
      @quillmaurer6563 Před 2 lety +16

      I've heard hemp rope is still allowed but until recently hemp couldn't be grown in the US, probably still can't in most states, so hemp ropes and other products have to be imported. Gradually marijuana - and by extension the non-psychoactive hemp - is being legalized, and hemp products are being reintroduced. I live in Colorado, one of the first states to fully legalize marijuana, and attended Colorado State University (which has a significant agricultural focus), I heard a lot of research on both cultivating and utilizing hemp was going on there. It's a very useful and versatile crop, with a lot of things in its favor, a cheaper and ecologically less harmful way of producing many products - paper in particular. In a lot of ways it seems like a "jack of all trades master of none," can do a lot of things fairly well but isn't the best at anything. I've heard "conspiracy theories" that marijuana was banned mostly as an excuse for banning hemp, on behalf of those who manufactured competing products (cotton, wood pulp, plastics, etc), and unlike a lot of other conspiracy theories that seems pretty plausible to me. Hopefully this will all change soon, hemp will return - would probably find a lot of public favor in this time of environmental concern and trying to shift away from petroleum-derived products.

    • @jamessimms415
      @jamessimms415 Před 2 lety

      @@quillmaurer6563 When I attended ROTC Advanced Course @ Ft. Riley, KS; we would sometimes find ourselves on field exercises in areas where hemp was still growing after its use in WW2. We were told not to partake of any while there….

    • @quillmaurer6563
      @quillmaurer6563 Před 2 lety +4

      @@jamessimms415 Was it actual marijuana or just hemp? Hemp won't do anything if you smoke it. Either the commander didn't realize this, or thought the cadets wouldn't know. In the latter case, he should have let people try.

    • @SkunkApe407
      @SkunkApe407 Před 2 lety +5

      @@quillmaurer6563 hemp is legal, as long as it is "sterilized". The process necessary to render hemp "sterile" makes the fiber weaker. Add that to the fact that importing hemp makes it unnecessarily expensive and manilla becomes the best, cost-effective option.
      I agree though, that hemp products could easily replace much of our dependency on petroleum. It is quite refreshing that our nation seems to be waking up to the benefits of both cannabis and hemp.

    • @quillmaurer6563
      @quillmaurer6563 Před 2 lety +2

      @@SkunkApe407 What sort of "sterile" are they talking about? Concerns about invasive species or disease or something? Or removing the psychoactive THC? Industrial hemp contains negligible THC (I believe the concentration to qualify as "hemp" is actually legally defined), thus smoking it would have no effect. Though I'd imagine people making these rules might not know that, or this could be used as an excuse to sabotage it on behalf of competing industries.
      I'm likewise glad to see the US gradually warming up to it. Colorado legalized recreational marijuana about 10 years ago and has seen nothing but benefits. No problems with "reefer madness," no junkies, none of that nonsense. At most some suggest that it's attracting certain people to move here, those who are not "productive to society" or something, but I doubt that's actually a significant problem (especially as marijuana could be obtained in places it's illegal pretty easily anyway), and massive numbers of people are moving to Colorado for other reasons, "transplants" making a good scapegoat. There are tons of benefits to legalization - to be able to regulate the industry rather than having it a criminal-driven black market, allowing research into health benefits (personally I'm skeptical of many over-the-top claims but believe it has uses), as well as reintroducing industrial hemp for all manner of uses.

  • @redeye4516
    @redeye4516 Před 2 lety +299

    As soon as you said "America Sings" I knew exactly what you were going to talk about next. The description I'd read of what had happened to her and what state her body was found in still manages to horrify me to this day. If what I read was true, she was basically unrecognizable.

    • @EvilCarrotSauce
      @EvilCarrotSauce Před 2 lety +26

      Where did you read this? I was morbidly curious about what she must have looked like after that.

    • @heatherdoodles5504
      @heatherdoodles5504 Před 2 lety +36

      @@EvilCarrotSauce me too. I’m one of those peeps that like the gore. I respect FH’s conservative approach to the deaths of the subjects but I instantly try to Google if there’s photos or not. I know better than to try to Google this one; Walt’s pockets are deep enough to scrub their existence entirely.

    • @potato1907
      @potato1907 Před 2 lety +19

      @@heatherdoodles5504 somewhat same, but i will not touch r/eyeblech, i have heard horrible things about its contents and i don't want to be traumatized, i would recommend not visiting it

    • @heatherdoodles5504
      @heatherdoodles5504 Před 2 lety +2

      @@potato1907 visiting it now because I’d never heard of it (never touched Reddit because I hear horror stories of the commentary) but new mission unlocked I guess 🤣

    • @rhettorical
      @rhettorical Před 2 lety +10

      @@heatherdoodles5504 Surely there has to be a police report with at least a description. If you remember the story of the guy who was killed after falling onto subway tracks a few years ago (there's a famous photo of him as the subway was approaching), I have to imagine it was something similar. It's baffling that the walls weren't breakaway.

  • @Zipshysa
    @Zipshysa Před 2 lety +168

    I was almost a casualty at Disneyland. I fell into Rivers of America on Tom Sawyer's Island at age 3 and almost drowned. If it wasn't for the bystander who practically jumped over my mom's head into 4 feet of water (it drops off sharply; there is no gradual slope from the shore like a real island) I would not be here typing this. I also fell near a circulation fan that cycles water throughout the park and had I ended up inside, I would almost certainly be dead and turned up in some other area of the park. I had to be brought back soaking wet covered in mud and sticks in my hair on the ferry raft (as it was the only way back) all the way back to Main Street's first aid station. I had double ear infections and a severe fever, in addition to having swallowed a lot of water, but fortunately no further complications. To this day, there still isn't first aid on the island, guardrails, or even warning signs where I fell in. In subsequent trips, my mother would only let me play on the island wearing water wings until I was older! I may have been unable to fit through the tunnels and look ridiculous, but my mother didn't want a repeat incident!

    • @MariaThePotterNut
      @MariaThePotterNut Před rokem +11

      Where exactly on the island was it? As far as I can remember, both before the more recent Star Wars construction that had the Island shut down and after, anywhere near the water had fences. Unless you ran way off the path and got around a different set of fences. And your mom really brought water wings with you to the park, to run around the relatively small area on the island? Was it that much of a favorite place that she'd rather do that than just skip the Island?

    • @SevenTailedWolf72
      @SevenTailedWolf72 Před rokem +2

      I’m happy you’re okay. ❤

    • @katiek3631
      @katiek3631 Před rokem

      I fainted on the boat to tom sawyers island and had to be boated back to the park unconscious to get medical attention

  • @LordBloodpool
    @LordBloodpool Před 2 lety +271

    Ooh, god. Jesus christ the America Sings incident is horrendous, what a horrific mangling.

    • @KyleEvra
      @KyleEvra Před rokem

      It was simply crushing.

  • @GraceLJW
    @GraceLJW Před rokem +39

    I just finished my engineering degree, and I can confidently say this channel has made me more aware and diligent in my work. I've gotten full marks on all my safety analyses for my final projects, and have done a few extra credit projects in my safety and ethics class on videos you've done. Thanks for increasing awareness both for the people who could possibly be victims of such disasters as well as for people who could possibly prevent or stop them.

  • @ProjectDarkWolf
    @ProjectDarkWolf Před 2 lety +54

    I spent three years as an amusement park employee. In that time, one guest died due to boarding a ride whilst in ill health. The accidents though...my god. There were so many! And almost all of them were completely avoidable. One intoxicated man walked into a monorail support and suffered head injuries, a little girl slipped whilst running and fell through the safety barrier on a cliff, a young man took a pigeon to the face at 62mph on a launch coaster, one child was attacked by a goose, and a few people suffered from smoke inhalation when a smoke machine caught fire, somewhat ironically. An elderly lady got herself stuck in the turnstiles, one VW Beetle's parking brake failed and caused a collision in the parking lot, one guest suffered 'minor strains' after they became wedged in a ride's car that was too small for them, and innumerable guests were hit by falling change and personal items from a low speed inverted gravity coaster. These places are inherently dangerous, and that's on a normal day!

    • @YOUR-LOCAL13
      @YOUR-LOCAL13 Před 2 lety +17

      Who would ever expect taking a pigeon to the face?

    • @Binx345me
      @Binx345me Před rokem +1

      the pigeon incident happened at cedar point i think, and theres a video

    • @ProjectDarkWolf
      @ProjectDarkWolf Před rokem +5

      @@Binx345me the pigeon incident has happened more than once, there's a lot of them out there and they ain't smart.

    • @ladysilverwynde
      @ladysilverwynde Před 11 měsíci

      ​@@YOUR-LOCAL13Fabio got hit in the face by a goose while on a roller-coaster. It happens a lot.

  • @123gozane
    @123gozane Před 2 lety +10

    My dad worked at Disneyland and was there the night that Debbie died. He had said that her hair was caught in the moving walls
    and she had been pulled in between the walls and crushed her.
    In 1998 my friends dad was a security officer at Disneyland and was the first one there when the boat accident happened. The victims little boy asked him if his dad was going to be ok and he had to look the kid in the eyes and say yes. That day still haunts him.

  • @smoothmicra
    @smoothmicra Před 2 lety +146

    Wrong place, wrong time, it always seems more tragic when the people involved were doing something fun and peaceful when these accidents occur.
    Stay alert at all times peeps!

    • @NathanTarantlawriter
      @NathanTarantlawriter Před rokem +2

      Not really. It's a case of someone trying to save a few bucks - nylon over more expensive hemp rope. It was completely avoidable. Still a terrible tragedy. Stay alert at all times indeed. I saw a nyon rope got bunged up in a train moving through a festival crowd. It caught on a metal sign and did the same thing, pulled tight and snapped. Recoil hit a woman and broke her femur. She got lucky.

    • @smoothmicra
      @smoothmicra Před rokem

      @@NathanTarantlawriter Yeah, I wasn't saying this was just an unavoidable accident more that the victims just happened to be the there when circumstances conspired to make it deadly... wrong place, wrong time. It can happen to any of us, even when we think we are in the safest place in the world circumstances can change to suddenly make it life threatening... even when every conceivable safety precaution has been taken.

  • @dobbyofbobby9715
    @dobbyofbobby9715 Před 2 lety +368

    If you want a more in-depth video on the history of America Sings, I definitely recommend Defunctland’s episode on it! (I had actually just been watching that channel when I saw that Fascinating Horror uploaded a new video🤔)

    • @typhoidtyphoon
      @typhoidtyphoon Před 2 lety +49

      Can confirm, Defunctland is worth watching.

    • @chocolatechip12
      @chocolatechip12 Před 2 lety +37

      Defunctland is a great channel.

    • @sagichdirdochnicht4653
      @sagichdirdochnicht4653 Před 2 lety +15

      Highly recommend defunctland as well. I'm going to watch the American Sings video right now, thanks for the tip!

    • @janedoe4316
      @janedoe4316 Před 2 lety +10

      One of my favorite channels.

    • @j_0anna
      @j_0anna Před 2 lety +6

      yes, i was watching the garfield video just before this one lmao

  • @TheRealChristopherB
    @TheRealChristopherB Před 2 lety +129

    Going into this video, my mind first went to the America Sings incident. Despite not occurring from a thrill ride, the graphic nature of the accident always sticks out to me. Ms. Stone being crushed by heavy, moving, machinery. I can't imagine the horror the other guests must've faced when they heard those screams. Especially on what should've been a completely relaxed and fun experience. It was an absolute tragedy all around.

    • @rhettorical
      @rhettorical Před 2 lety +7

      It really is like something out of a horror film. I can't imagine what that must have been like for the first responders and any witnesses.

  • @michaellee8816
    @michaellee8816 Před 2 lety +70

    I knew this was going to be the America Sings incident, and it absolutely and eternally breaks my heart.....that poor girl.....

  • @danielalexander8588
    @danielalexander8588 Před 2 lety +273

    Tuesday wouldn't be the same without Fascinating Horror! Love how the narrator is obviously passionate about what he does, but also has so much respect for the survivors without being judgemental on the people or companies to blame. Keep up the good work!

    • @cruisingscenesandtakingbea4197
      @cruisingscenesandtakingbea4197 Před 2 lety +4

      Should be judgemental on the companies. Its their greed, incompetence, and laziness that leads to deaths.

    • @chrischickering1959
      @chrischickering1959 Před 2 lety +8

      ​@@cruisingscenesandtakingbea4197 agree but I think they were mentioning that he reports the facts as they occured without injecting his own bias.

    • @4and20blackbirds
      @4and20blackbirds Před 2 lety +6

      @@chrischickering1959 yes and he presents facts about how the company’s negligence has cost real people their entire lives. he doesn’t need to say “wow that was really shitty of them to do wasn’t it folks?”

    • @annabobanaasmr8411
      @annabobanaasmr8411 Před 2 lety +1

      Don't forget about the channel Horror Stories, he's not super active anymore but he was the OG of this type of video. :)
      I also love Fascinzting Horror as well though too.

    • @danielalexander8588
      @danielalexander8588 Před 2 lety +1

      @@cruisingscenesandtakingbea4197 I don't think that's his job, if I'm honest. He's just presenting the facts, and the punishments that they have.

  • @death-limes
    @death-limes Před 2 lety +78

    Literally just the other day I was thinking “I hope FH covers the America Sings incident someday, it’s such a shocking case.” I remember someone - Defunctland, I think? - mentioning that the accident had a lot to do with which direction the outer ring was turning & which side of the stage the host was standing at. Apparently the Carousel of Progress had its hosts standing at the opposite end of the stage, making an incident like this far less likely.

    • @rhettorical
      @rhettorical Před 2 lety +8

      It's so wild that at no point in its construction did anyone think to use breakaway walls. Or perhaps something that gives, like a thick curtain or rubber panels. When it was turned into Innoventions, where the building never stopped spinning slowly, they removed all walls between the outer and inner section, and covered the floor gap between the inner and outer section with thick, overlapping rubber, to avoid even the possibility of an accident happening.

  • @jlcii
    @jlcii Před 2 lety +90

    As someone who used to work for Disneyland, particularly around the older rides, I will say two things. The first is that as staff, you are not very well trained. They kind of expect for you to learn as you go. Therefore, when it comes to things like safety, it's very much a thing of if you know what you're doing or not, which in any situation, can come with some pretty high risk. The one advantage going for you as a new employee is that you are usually not by yourself, though sometimes, you end up being put with someone else who doesn't necessarily know what they're doing either. The second thing, is that the work environment there is very passive aggressive. It is also very pressuring. We're expected to deliver top quality performance and ambiance for the guests, and any personal stresses or insecurities are expected to be smiled through, and push to the side. This can obviously lead to things like human error, oversight, or even possibly carelessness when it comes to performing one's duties, and even sometimes, being safe. Yes of course, like with any other job, safety is a priority. But I will say, when working there, safety is not always as easy to be focused on when it seems like the priority has been to put on a good show and facade for the guests who paid astronomical amounts of money for a world class experience, but don't necessarily understand that a lot of the employees there are only so well trained, and a lot of these attractions are well over 30+ years old, and therefore are subject to things like break downs, or not being the most safe thing to ride. There are some ugly truths about the "happiest place on Earth" that they don't necessarily tell you up front.

    • @dukebaloof2540
      @dukebaloof2540 Před 2 lety

      Dude, this the description for literally any job. Get off your high horse, you have nothing useful to say or explain.

    • @4and20blackbirds
      @4and20blackbirds Před 2 lety +22

      that’s a really good point and something that actually crossed my mind while watching this video. i wondered if Debbie was trying desperately to free herself without causing a ruckus so she didn’t have to ruin anyone’s experience or even face repercussions for doing so, so maybe she only began to scream right before she knew she was about to be crushed.

    • @caucasoidape8838
      @caucasoidape8838 Před 2 lety +4

      That's insane that they don't train their employees on safety for the rides.

    • @MariaThePotterNut
      @MariaThePotterNut Před rokem +9

      As someone who also used to work there idk what you're talking about in regards to training. Did you zone out during all the time they drill the 4 keys into you? Safety, courtesy, show, efficiency? "Safe D beings with me" not ringing any bells?
      Cast Members go through extreme amounts of training for every attraction in their rotation, never mind the 3 days of training (aka Traditions) even before the specific training for your actual job. Just for working in stores we had 3 days with our trainer after Traditions, and multiple friends in attractions have said it was just as long or longer for them.
      What area were you in? And how long ago? Because that sounds way off from every experience I know about.

    • @4and20blackbirds
      @4and20blackbirds Před rokem +2

      @@MariaThePotterNut bro why are you personally going to bat for a trillion dollar company lol she’s a grown ass woman sharing a very believable experience

  • @kacey_cat
    @kacey_cat Před 2 lety +32

    As soon as he mentioned America Sings, I knew exactly what incident he was talking about. It's horrifying to think of what Deborah experienced in her last moments, especially knowing that the show started while she was trapped in there, and the audience couldn't hear her screaming for help over the music.

    • @ladysilverwynde
      @ladysilverwynde Před 11 měsíci +1

      That's actually an urban legend. The moment she screamed, one of the guests heard and he got the operator to stop the attraction. The response was immediate, but it wasn't fast enough.
      However, the "She screamed and no one noticed" is misinformation being spread by TikTok creators trying to get views. It's not true.

  • @SearTheo
    @SearTheo Před 2 lety +24

    I genuinely feel awful for the worker from the Columbia. This was their fault but there’s no way they could have known. This is the risk companies take when they don’t properly train their workers.

  • @marginalentertainmentvalue2930

    I was working in the Attractions office during the period when the second incident happened (though I was off that day). A couple of things:
    1. The Cast Member involved was a manager. This was a period when Disney tended to fill its park management positions from outside the company, or at the very least, outside the department. This meant that a LOT of managers (in Attractions and other departments) hadn't spent much time actually doing the jobs of the people they were in charge of. (This, in my opinion, was not a recipe for success.) So yeah, she wasn't very experienced on that attraction, but she was the direct boss of people who worked on attractions.
    2. Even though she wasn't that experienced, I wouldn't say that was the main problem. I'm sure that, according to SOP, you *always* wait for the boat to stop moving before putting the rope around the cleat. In practice, it seemed to be pretty common behavior that Cast Members would use the rope as a sort of braking system for the boat so it didn't overshoot the dock. Why? Well, I didn't work on the Columbia, but having worked on a similar, smaller boat attraction before, overshooting the dock is a huge pain. Backing up is MUCH more difficult than going forward, and if you overshoot by too much, it might even be easier (or your only option) to just take another full trip around. So I think there was a bit of scapegoating that happened with this person, as far as emphasizing her inexperience (although she definitely was inexperienced), and minimizing the fact that whoever was in charge of the boat came in too fast, as well as the fact that rope-braking was not uncommon. Not to say she was right in her actions... but like I said, I think it was pretty common practice at the time.
    I can't say much about the whole cheap vs. expensive rope argument, except that it doesn't align with most of my experiences there.

    • @exrobowidow1617
      @exrobowidow1617 Před 2 lety +1

      I enjoy watching the "Miami Boat Ramps" channel. So many of those people would do better to just get a line on the dock quicker. But those are small boats, and they are definitely not running on an underwater track. A large boat like the Columbia should be more capably handled than some borrowed ski boat being towed by a U-Haul truck. What's the excuse?

    • @rhettorical
      @rhettorical Před 2 lety +1

      At the Tom Sawyer rafts, they always secure the mooring line as the raft is coming in for a stop as a means of braking and securing it. Which makes sense for a lightweight, easily-maneuverable raft. Perhaps that's the same thought that led to the ship accident. It makes a lot less sense when the vessel is massive, on a rail, with a powerful engine to correct overshoots.

  • @gary1961
    @gary1961 Před 2 lety +6

    Poor Debbie. She was beautiful and had her whole life ahead of her. So tragic that she died this way.

  • @aceckrot
    @aceckrot Před 2 lety +27

    "America Sings", I remember that. Many of the animatronics figures used in it were incorporated into
    the Splash Mountain ride when it opened in the late 1980s. Disneyland was one of my favorite theme parks to visit when I was home ported in San Diego while serving in the U. S. Navy; I visited it a few times a year during my four years in Southern CA.

  • @tjmarx
    @tjmarx Před 2 lety +4

    Imagine waiting in line for a ride, you're not really paying much attention to the things around you, because you're in a queue ffs, then seemingly out of nowhere a giant moring cleat smacks you in the head.
    They managed to have a ride accident that didn't even involve people actually on the ride.

  • @MusicoftheDamned
    @MusicoftheDamned Před 2 lety +81

    The first incident is gruesome and unnerving enough to think about even before realizing those creepy animatronics are likely the last things that poor girl ever saw besides the wall(s) that slowly crushed her to death. Even so her death is still sadly mundane in the sense of being just another instance of a company not giving a crap about *obvious* safety measures until *after* someone gets seriously injured or outright killed.

    • @sunsetlights100
      @sunsetlights100 Před 2 lety +4

      High risk that ride, below the surface its all pulleys wheel systems cables unfriendly stuff to humans!

    • @watchingitallhere
      @watchingitallhere Před 2 lety +7

      Those animatronic birds are creepy af. I imagine they all laughed hysterically at the girl being mangled.

    • @MusicoftheDamned
      @MusicoftheDamned Před 2 lety +7

      @@watchingitallhere Given the nature of the ride, they probably sang as they were programmed to do. That's arguably an even worse fate.

    • @MusicoftheDamned
      @MusicoftheDamned Před rokem +2

      @@Revkor Oh, it's definitely partially her fault since it's not like she was pushed. That *really* isn't the chief issue though. The chief issue is that it *shouldn't have been possible in the first place* given what an obvious potential(ly fatal) hazard it was, but Disney just chose to maximize turn around time instead of safety, and a teenager died for it. That ride seems to have had basically no real safety measures initially, so someone was probably going to get crushed eventually as it was initially, stupidly set up. It just happened to be her (instead of someone even younger).

    • @ladysilverwynde
      @ladysilverwynde Před 11 měsíci

      It wasn't slow. It was actually fairly quick.

  • @goldie862
    @goldie862 Před rokem +4

    It might provide some comfort to know that poor Debra probably went into shock and passed out well before she was so badly hurt. Bless her soul.

  • @jessak444
    @jessak444 Před 2 lety +38

    I love how you focused on rides that don’t look very dangerous to the eye, makes things more interesting to switch things up!

  • @Unownshipper
    @Unownshipper Před 2 lety +32

    A tragedy is always scarring to first-responders or the people who witness it, but there's something especially dreadful about ones that occur in places of entertainment or innocence. Disneyland is supposed to be the happiest place on Earth but you know there's a certain few who tended to those victims that'll always think of those moments when reflecting on the park.
    I'd heard of America Sings, but never the Columbia incident. Once again, thanks for bringing these dark moments to light.

    • @luvcatscatscatsCATS
      @luvcatscatscatsCATS Před 2 lety

      happiest place on earth......
      In total, Walt Disney's estimated emissions are 16.6 million tonnes of carbon annually. The company's emissions are equivalent to the annual emissions made by 3.6 million passenger vehicles10. It would take around 275 million tree saplings growing for ten years to sequester these emissions...

    • @Unownshipper
      @Unownshipper Před 2 lety +2

      @@luvcatscatscatsCATS It seems more like you were looking for the first opportunity to info dump rather than genuinely looking to respond to the comment I made. Don't do that... nobody likes when people do that.
      The company's ecological impact isn't related to this discussion on these tragic workplace accidents. Leave your literature with someone who was bringing that up.

    • @Unownshipper
      @Unownshipper Před 2 lety +2

      @@luvcatscatscatsCATS And there it is: cite "Freedom of Speech" in a situation that doesn't call for it. ✓
      You've already got Talking At Someone down. This is exciting, I wonder if we'll get a bingo on Bad Internet Comment Etiquette.

    • @Unownshipper
      @Unownshipper Před rokem +1

      @@luvcatscatscatsCATS Ding ding ding! And we've even got "Godwin's law," that's a Bingo!

    • @luvcatscatscatsCATS
      @luvcatscatscatsCATS Před rokem

      @@Unownshipper please accept my apologies for this conversation, which was not written by me. A scoundrel in my household entered my office without permission. If you could acknowledge reading this, I can then delete this whole disaster and rethink the lock on my door!! Thank you

  • @lorysafernandez8666
    @lorysafernandez8666 Před 2 lety +51

    I was at Disneyland on the day of the accident in 1998, it was a really crazy day the accident on the Columbia wasn't the only accident that day. There was a boy who fell from the carousel in Fantasyland, there was several helicopters hovering above the park that day.

  • @WeCanCos
    @WeCanCos Před 2 lety +4

    I worked at the park. We had different codes for issues to keep the guests calm in case of an emergency. We also had a bunch of safety training that we had to refresh every few months. I worked attractions and so we took a lot of pride in making sure the safety of the guests was upheld. There was also a huge amount of concern for cast member well-being. I collapsed once from heat exhaustion back stage and they took really good care of me. I never lost consciousness so I was aware the whole time of cast member conduct. No place can be a hundred percent without incident, but it's great to know that when something happens they take it to heart and never repeat it.

  • @elliottprice6084
    @elliottprice6084 Před 2 lety +84

    It's such a shame that these tragic accidents happened for the safety of these rides to be improved. So sad

    • @Arkylie
      @Arkylie Před 2 lety +9

      It is. And yet, it is normal to expect that, in the absence of obvious dangers, things will go well; in fact, focusing too much on the many ways things might go wrong can be far worse for one's health than to stay optimistic.
      The incidents that truly chill me are those that after a lesson is supposedly learned. This channel has covered them frequently: A tragedy happens, and we (as a species/culture) learn how to prevent it, and yet those hard-won lessons are not put into practice, and so a highly preventable tragedy happens later on.
      For Disneyland, at least, it appears that they carefully learned from their mistakes, and found ways to ensure the safety of their guests. Like with airplane crash investigations, putting that knowledge to work so that the same incident never reoccurs, that's worth its weight in gold.

    • @ethribin4188
      @ethribin4188 Před 2 lety +5

      To be fair, in these cases,you propably wouldnt have predicted these safeties to be nessecary

    • @Pursuedwinter
      @Pursuedwinter Před 2 lety +1

      “The road to safety is paved in blood.” -Some Guy

    • @ZGryphon
      @ZGryphon Před 2 lety

      @ghost mall The canonical example is Action Park in New Jersey, which was so notorious for visitor deaths and injuries that it earned the nicknames "Class Action Park" and "Traction Park".

  • @littlemisstentoes
    @littlemisstentoes Před 2 lety +22

    I know you've probably heard this on every one of your videos, but I just really appreciate how you conduct yourself in these videos. You deliver the tragic news in such a respectful and empathic manner. Thank you for what you do!

  • @martlettoo
    @martlettoo Před 2 lety +9

    I feel so bad for Deborah. Thank you for covering the incident without gruesome detail.

  • @24mbronc
    @24mbronc Před 2 lety +17

    I was working the day of the second incident at one of the restaurants and remember people running to our location with blood on their hands trying to get ice and towels. It was my first week of training when this happened so needless to say it was quite an ordeal. I was only 16 at the time and was pretty shocked these things happened at Disneyland.

  • @Berven-gf9jq
    @Berven-gf9jq Před 2 lety +90

    I am totally captivated by your videos. The narration. The haunting music. The tragedy of these cases. Very well done, Sir. Hats off. Best regards from a fan in Norway :-)

    • @chrisdevore8411
      @chrisdevore8411 Před 2 lety +3

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    • @Berven-gf9jq
      @Berven-gf9jq Před 2 lety

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  • @YuBeace
    @YuBeace Před 2 lety +5

    I will forever be grateful for this channel’s clear narration and functional closed captions. Other channels simply do not treat CC the same way.

  • @gregqualtieri609
    @gregqualtieri609 Před 2 lety +11

    I was in the Navy for over 20 years. They stressed more than once wait to the boat stops to this day on my 12 foot I always wait. i have seen line over a 1 inch in size snap. You do not want to be anywhere near it. My heart goes out to the people who where injured.

  • @rosealielycan
    @rosealielycan Před 2 lety +13

    I love how he stopped the music to convey the seriousness of these incidents... May the people who passed away in these horrific ways rest easy, with the knowledge that even though they have passed they have saved many others.

  • @thecinematicmind
    @thecinematicmind Před 2 lety +44

    I remember there was an animator trying to do a short film of America Sings, I wonder how the process is going on it.

    • @djhenyo
      @djhenyo Před 2 lety +1

      Of just the ride normally or when this death occurred?

    • @thecinematicmind
      @thecinematicmind Před 2 lety +8

      @@djhenyo The ride itself in a narrative form.

    • @deezzeed417
      @deezzeed417 Před 2 lety +1

      Leaving a comment here cause im genuinely interested

    • @Unownshipper
      @Unownshipper Před 2 lety +36

      @@Stevie-J Speaking of distasteful, referring to the manner of her death as "popping." For pity's sake, man....

    • @thecinematicmind
      @thecinematicmind Před 2 lety +1

      @@Stevie-J It’s only the ride. Not the death.

  • @Kay-cp8tg
    @Kay-cp8tg Před 2 lety +85

    My father drunkenly stole a golf cart at a Disney resort in his 20’s. I’ve never asked directly but I believe he’s banned from the parks. Every time my family went he would always stay home. 😂

    • @quillmaurer6563
      @quillmaurer6563 Před 2 lety +18

      I would imagine there'd be a finite time period on being banned from it, like 5 or 10 years or something - a teenager or 20-something getting into mischief is very different from that person in their 30s or 40s bringing their own children there.

    • @DrJ-hx7wv
      @DrJ-hx7wv Před 2 lety

      Yeah, brag about this..... 🤨

    • @Backroad_Junkie
      @Backroad_Junkie Před 2 lety +6

      @@quillmaurer6563 No. There are special people who earn lifetime bans, lol.
      I've always wondered how they knew the ones who are banned before the systems they have in place now.

    • @quillmaurer6563
      @quillmaurer6563 Před 2 lety +3

      @@Backroad_Junkie I'd imagine it would be quite possible now with the "information age," though indeed it might be challenging with those from decades ago. I'd imagine there's probably somewhat of an ID check process for adults wanting to enter the park, to check for things like sex offenders, which could also find if they have the person on file as banned for causing trouble. Old records likely digitized. I would imagine Disney is quite capable on the technological side of all this.
      I see that as less surprising than having a lifetime ban on people who did things as children/young adults, that just seems excessive and unnecessary to me - a dad isn't the same troublemaker he was 20 years ago in high school. But beneath their cheerful public facade, Disney has a somewhat draconian reputation in terms of legal disputes, copyright enforcement, treatment of workers, and so on, so while this policy feels absurd it doesn't feel out of character.

    • @exrobowidow1617
      @exrobowidow1617 Před 2 lety +7

      @@quillmaurer6563 Just the other day, I paid for a restaurant meal with my credit card. Got home, checked my email, and found a receipt from said restaurant. I have NEVER given that restaurant my email address! That was freaky, but I was able to find out how they did it. It's a "service" offered by Square. I don't want to think about how Disney could track its guests... outside of its parks...

  • @vinny142
    @vinny142 Před 2 lety +26

    Hindsight is such a wonderful thing but... seriously, nobody thought that maybe there should be a safety mechanism for a setup that is able to crush a person? Look at the "paternosterlift", which had been in use since before Disneyworld was even an idea. It has lots of ways for you to crush your toes and other bodyparts if you are creative enough, but it features simple hinged flaps so if your toes are sticking out they simply lift the flap instead of dropping off.
    I'm also kind of amazed their first idea was to add a warning system, and not just remove the actual crushing ability of the device. It's a bit like "we don't need seatbelts if we just make sure we don't get in any accidents"

    • @mousepariah3884
      @mousepariah3884 Před 2 lety +3

      ...No it's more like lets install seatbelts until we can figure out how to get airbags installed
      There was literally no safety system in place when America sings opened.
      This risk of crushing was a barely there risk for the previous attraction
      "while in Carousel of Progress the turning stage moved the cast member away from the nearest wall and they merely had to step around to the next one, in America Sings they were being turned into the nearest wall and getting crushed was a much easier feat."
      In the three days the ride was shut down for cleanup (morbid but true) they installed lights and other guides so cast members knew where it was safe to step and where not to, something that was previously just explained and trained on but largely counted on cast members just never misstepping.
      This gave imagineers the time needed to work out HOW to put in the later added breakaway walls while not putting anyone in continued danger since sadly no theme park is just going to leave an attraction down due to a freak accident.
      On another note... I can't help laughing at the seatbelt comparison given the history of seatbelts themselves namely that they were only required to be installed in cars starting in 1968 and laws about wearing them didn't start till 1984 (California passed theirs in '86 and New Hampshire still doesn't have one for adults as of '22)

  • @spencerific93
    @spencerific93 Před 2 lety +9

    Theme park accidents tend to be both uniquely tragic and eye-opening. This is especially so with Disney parks because of the company's image and the comparative tameness of their rides when compared to other theme parks. It's a topic I've been fascinated by for a while. I'm glad you covered it, and specifically glad you chose these two incidents.

  • @Sketch105
    @Sketch105 Před 2 lety +3

    The Cleating incident is often cited as a huge blemish left by Paul Pressler. He was the park’s VP at the time and was infamous for his cost cutting measures, which lowered maintenance standards and cleanliness levels around the park, as well as removing many other elements that made Disneyland special. The Park went from being known to replace burnt out bulbs overnight to many burnt out lights, broken props and unclean queues left due to these measures. The cleat incident was cited as its horrendous climax. Pressler eventually left Disney but his effects were felt throughout the company for many years (see: the creative bankruptcy of California Adventure before its overhaul)

  • @jlbyler22
    @jlbyler22 Před 2 lety +11

    You've given the most comprehensive and informative segment on Deborah Stone's death I've come across, thank you for that. 10 minutes ago I was still under the impression that this happened at Walt Disney World in Florida, and every time I got on the Carousel Of Progress I thought of her. Thank you for setting me straight!

  • @randal_gibbons
    @randal_gibbons Před 2 lety +9

    Disneyland was a big part of my life. We usually went once a year and always lived close enough to see the fireworks every night. Sometimes we would go to the Howard Johnson's restaurant on Harbor Blvd across the street to watch the fireworks, laying on a blanket my mom put on the roof of the car. At 19yo my first apartment was on Harbor Blvd and the shells from the fireworks would land there.

  • @Ddrhl
    @Ddrhl Před 2 lety +9

    A potentially important point is that America Sings rotated in the opposite direction from the Carousel of Progress that preceded it.

    • @susanowen1709
      @susanowen1709 Před 2 lety +5

      I remember hearing about that; originally the ride rotated clockwise so the employee was moved away from the nearest wall & could easily step aside if necessary. America Sings moved the employee towards the wall, with less time to get out of the way if they were too close. Such an insignificant-seeming change, yet potentially contributing to this poor girl's death.

    • @Boundwithflame23
      @Boundwithflame23 Před 2 lety +1

      Carousel of Progress in WDW rotates towards the right (audience perspective). That should be counter clockwise.

    • @susanowen1709
      @susanowen1709 Před 2 lety

      @@Boundwithflame23 Dagnabbit, I put counterclockwise at first, then edited to "correct" it. Knew I shouldn't have relied on memory. Thank you for setting things straight.

  • @tremorsfan
    @tremorsfan Před 2 lety +5

    It's amazing to see what one of those animatronics looks like without its "skin".

  • @pendarus
    @pendarus Před 2 lety +5

    I was working as a tech at Innoventions (formerly America Sings) when the Columbia accident happened. The radio call that Columbia was 101 and paramedics were entering the park at Harbor House let me know something very bad had happened. A sad night.

  • @ydoomenaud
    @ydoomenaud Před 2 lety +3

    The key problem with America Sings was that it turned in the opposite direction to the other attractions in that building without any consultation of the original engineers. The accident would not have been possible had AS turned in the original direction.

  • @vonettawatson7522
    @vonettawatson7522 Před rokem +2

    I remember the incident of the young lady who lost her life on the America Sings attraction. As a little girl my dad took my brother, sister and I to Disneyland the SAME day this incident occurred. We had got on that ride early in the evening.....most likely a little before the accident. I remember my dad being shocked the next morning in our hotel when reading the morning paper and that story was in there. Almost 50 years later, and I never forgot this. I remember asking my dad how could anything bad happen because the stage was moving so slow??? He just told me he didn't know.

  • @L_U-K_E
    @L_U-K_E Před rokem +2

    The one about that poor girl is just chilling.

  • @TRex-fu7bt
    @TRex-fu7bt Před 2 lety +5

    Bonus horror: the stripped down goose animatronic.

  • @Ghostjack5
    @Ghostjack5 Před 2 lety +34

    You are for sure the greatest documenter on youtube keep up the brilliant work love your content

    • @gonavy1
      @gonavy1 Před 2 lety +3

      The videos certainly are done well. For me at least it also has to do with the narrator. Some other channels do a good job but I just can't listen to the narration. Sometimes it's all in the voice.

    • @Ghostjack5
      @Ghostjack5 Před 2 lety +2

      @@gonavy1 I absolutely agree as even the tone in his voice makes the videos what they are and makes it beyond easy to binge watch

    • @nedludd7622
      @nedludd7622 Před 2 lety +1

      You must not watch many sites presenting documentaries.

    • @Ghostjack5
      @Ghostjack5 Před 2 lety +1

      @@nedludd7622 well we all have opinions I just like the way he narrates it and respects the victims by avoiding gore and such but you know.

  • @workingmothercatlover6699

    My husband was going on Space Mountain with his brother's kids. He noticed that the restraint for the smallest one was loose. He managed to get it pulled down properly just in time.

  • @timhinchcliffe5372
    @timhinchcliffe5372 Před 2 lety +31

    To put things into perspective, considering the millions of visitors a year, over its many decades, how many of those died in car accidents just getting to and leaving from Disneyland.

    • @quillmaurer6563
      @quillmaurer6563 Před 2 lety +2

      That's short of the point that was made about it being impossible to be "perfectly safe." No matter how safe the park itself is, bringing that many people to the same place will inevitably result in deaths at no fault of the park itself. Travel to and from it, people dying of natural or non-park causes, plus as they say "never underestimate the ingenuity of idiots." And surely some suicides have happened as well, something they can try to prevent but people will find ways.

    • @shrimpflea
      @shrimpflea Před rokem

      No joke. Car accidents kill so many people that if it were any other product it would have been banned years ago.

  • @dscott130
    @dscott130 Před 2 lety +3

    My aunt took our family there on opening day. I was 7 years old. It was beyond incredible. My high school also had its graduation party there in the summer of '65. Disneyland is only 35 miles from my hometown.

  • @gynandroidhead
    @gynandroidhead Před 2 lety +14

    Once again, and incredible job. My cousins lived in Anaheim for 55 years, and remember these incidents vividly.

  • @joeheid4757
    @joeheid4757 Před 2 lety +12

    I knew of the 1st tragedy. Such a young beautiful life taken way too early. Wasn't aware of the 2nd one though. May they RIP.

  • @brody99
    @brody99 Před 2 lety +11

    The cleat came off of the Columbia ship and got yanked towards the dock at high velocity hitting the cast member and guests, nothing broke off the dock as stated.

  • @Hannah-dx4rk
    @Hannah-dx4rk Před 2 lety +4

    He didn’t go into details on “America sings” but it is a very very gruesome death.

  • @gnarthdarkanen7464
    @gnarthdarkanen7464 Před 2 lety +10

    The Columbia accident reminded me of Navy Bootcamp, and we sat through a couple hours of training and videos about the hazards of rigging and lines on ships and piers... SERIOUS stuff.
    It occurs to me that, while you normally pick certain specific incidents to speak on or present, there might be space for you to add occasionally something of an introductory level overview about the things we take for granted every day. I mean, who hasn't played on a rope swing or tied up a length of sash-cord or used a makeshift mooring line for a fishing boat or canoe at a dock??? Yet, that piece of 1-inch double knit can stretch tight enough that the snap-back will rip YOU IN HALF!
    BUT there's plenty else... and I'm sure you could find the old training films, some were gruesome real life accounts, while others were models using mannequins to show the patterns and destructive potential... OR even cite certain incidents where someone was in the wrong place at the worst time... Folks under-estimate trailers and hitches, electrical connections, wiring, grounds hoists and cables or cranes and hydraulics, hoses and all sorts of risky behavior leads to faults flaws disasters and fails...
    I don't think it should replace the mainstay, but it might be a good break in the pattern... maybe once a month or so, to just hit on a thing most everyday folks could relate to and sit in wonder that we're still alive for "playing" with those things. ;o)

  • @kongchingpow
    @kongchingpow Před 2 lety +1

    That stripped down goose animatronic looks almost exactly like Johnny 5! I had to go back and pause it to make sure it wasn't!

  • @alastairward2774
    @alastairward2774 Před 2 lety +4

    America Sings looks creepy enough as is, imagine going out in the middle of all that.

  • @MrBirdnose
    @MrBirdnose Před 2 lety +4

    Substituting stretchy nylon rope for hemp has also caused some extremely gruesome tug-of-war accidents.

    • @GuessMyName234
      @GuessMyName234 Před 2 lety

      Please tell

    • @vincent412l7
      @vincent412l7 Před 2 lety

      Don't calculate the force of the two sides pulling so rope not strong enough, when the rope snaps it whips back with large force. Only welts and bruises if lucky but often cuts bones or worse

    • @ianmiller6040
      @ianmiller6040 Před rokem

      @@GuessMyName234 I've heard stories of people getting their arms broken or even a hand ripped off, if the person is stupid enough to wrap the rope around their arm for more leverage. Don't do that, just hold onto it.

  • @ethribin4188
    @ethribin4188 Před 2 lety +6

    If you consider that, if your head falls a distance of 3 meters, it has enough speed and force to crack the skull, and the average adult human head is 1.5m in the air simply by standing,you realize how little is needed to cause serious injury to a human by just existing.

  • @TheNightWatcher1385
    @TheNightWatcher1385 Před 2 lety +2

    People would be shocked to realize how common deaths are at parks or major attractions. Deaths during cruises are so common that most ships have morgues to handle the bodies.

  • @venturereclipse6833
    @venturereclipse6833 Před 2 lety +2

    The second I saw this video pop up I knew the America sings incident was going to be on here. I’ve learned so much about amusement park accidents and this is one of the only ones that genuinely makes me feel sick. It sounds so fictional, like a scary story to tell your friends, so the fact that it happened is even more jarring.

  • @SEBAS_andshrimp
    @SEBAS_andshrimp Před 2 lety +6

    Respect to you for always showing respect to one’s who passed by saying that they “passed”. Gotta respect the one’s who have passed because you too will one day be in a casket.

    • @cruisingscenesandtakingbea4197
      @cruisingscenesandtakingbea4197 Před 2 lety

      not me, im gonna be cremated and have my ashes put into a slab on concrete that will serve as the foundation of a industrial warehouse in an unnamed 3rd world slum.

  • @Bopperann
    @Bopperann Před 2 lety +36

    On America Sings, poor woman was crushed twice, wasn't she?
    Employees and guests heard screaming but they didn't check until Deborah had been dragged a second time, being crushed along the wall.

    • @Stitchvoid
      @Stitchvoid Před 2 lety +1

      I think so but also the videos of her screaming was edited there was no video proof that it was her scream

    • @piperjaycie
      @piperjaycie Před 2 lety +13

      The story I heard was that the ride completed before she was found, meaning that she was crushed about 4 or 5 times because of each rotation.

    • @NumeroLetter
      @NumeroLetter Před rokem

      @@piperjaycie That can't have been the case. The walls didn't break away or anything, so unless she was completely flattened, it would've been impossible. She couldn't be heard screaming if she was a pancake when they discovered her.

  • @moonlightbunnny6842
    @moonlightbunnny6842 Před 2 lety +2

    The America sings accident is gruesome, horrific and I don’t know what’s worse, The death of this individual who died too young and barely had a chance to live or the fact that her death has become such a creepypasta of sorts to the point people are sometimes disrespectful.
    What I do like about a lot of CZcamsrs (and a lot of people in general) who handle that topic (I think It was yesterworld or Defunctland who handled this the most tactfully that I’ve seen.) handle this with a level of respect that reminds you that this isn’t some dark side of Disney thing, or a ghost story
    A person died. It humanizes the victim once again. It humanizes Deborah.
    And I know that there’s been a lot of Disney deaths. It’s not just her. But it’s nice to see the respect Given to people.
    Of course fascinating horror has always talked about these incidents and accidents in a respectful and tactful manor.

  • @thurayya8905
    @thurayya8905 Před rokem +1

    I didn't realize it before, but I was almost the same age as the young woman who lost her life in "America Sings". How truly horrible to realize what is happening and there is nothing you can do to stop it. It is also too bad that Disneyland corporate couldn't have had the foresight to put an alarm on a piece of machinery that had the potential to kill so that this accident could have been prevented.

  • @JRKonungrinn
    @JRKonungrinn Před 2 lety +17

    MrBallen's episode about Deborah was just horrific to listen to. There were disregarded screams over multiple stage movements. Terrifying.

    • @Meadowlark73
      @Meadowlark73 Před 2 lety +7

      I've watched MrBallen in general also, not that specific episode, but imho he doesn't always stick to the true story. I watched the episode in which he talks about how he records his videos, he said he does the research and then relays the story from memory without a script. I feel like a few exaggerations and untruths may slip in for added effect. For example, there was one story he told that he had found on Reddit, and when I read the original story on Reddit, there were significant differences. Just saying.

    • @Kay-cp8tg
      @Kay-cp8tg Před 2 lety +3

      Yeah uh MrBallen is big for a reason and that reason isn’t his accuracy.

  • @divalea
    @divalea Před 2 lety +3

    The opening/closing theme is so damn spooky.

  • @stephenur6833
    @stephenur6833 Před 2 lety +2

    1974 was such a dark year. Christine Chubbock's suicide on live TV, the Amityville murders, the HiFi Murders, this. The list goes on

  • @DisposableSupervillainHenchman

    I had a cousin that worked as a life guard for a time at one of the resorts at Disney World. While she was not on duty, she talked about a little kid drowning in the pool. How awful it must be for the family. Disney World forever becomes the place where their child died. I can’t imagine.

  • @TriniGamerGirl7
    @TriniGamerGirl7 Před 2 lety +8

    I greatly appreciate this channel for the foundation it sets for each story.

  • @quillmaurer6563
    @quillmaurer6563 Před 2 lety +3

    With both of these, they weren't high-speed thrill rides, but they still involve very heavy things moving. Lot of force, energy, momentum, which always present the opportunities for gruesome injuries or death. As soon as the America Sings ride was described, I could see where it was going - machinery that could crush someone.

  • @RusedYa
    @RusedYa Před 2 lety +2

    I remember watching a video about the America Sings thing where it claimed to have footage of the accident. Regardless if it was real or not, the scream in the video still stays with me to this day

  • @julianjaimes197
    @julianjaimes197 Před 2 lety +2

    Literally getting ready to leave to Disneyland rn (5 min drive away), but Ive decided to wait anotha 10 mins before heading out to watch this spooky vid about it

  • @the_once-and-future_king.

    And that, folks, is why you never tie off the mooring lines of a ship still under power.

  • @Yosetime
    @Yosetime Před 2 lety +3

    You're so close to 1M subs! Congrats! Well deserved. I haven't missed an episode since I discovered it!

  • @pundertalefan4391
    @pundertalefan4391 Před rokem +1

    The minute I heard America Sings, I said "oh no." Poor Debbie.

  • @RedWhiteAndBlue4evr1
    @RedWhiteAndBlue4evr1 Před rokem

    Wow. Talk about nostalgia.
    I went for the first time when I was 6. Those animatronic singing birds kind of weirded me out, but I hadnt though of them in almost 40 years.

  • @falconer7166
    @falconer7166 Před 2 lety +6

    Coffee AND a fascinating horror?! This is going to be a good day 👍

  • @truthylucy7068
    @truthylucy7068 Před 2 lety +7

    These are terrible accidents!
    There was an incident I'm guessing now its been maybe 2 or 3 years ago. I don't know if I would call it an accident but as a parent it's beyond imaginable.
    This was at Disney World.
    A family of three was on vacation with their toddler. Where they were staying @ D.World they have lakes & lagoons from what I gathered as it's Florida.
    The three went walking by the lake area it was evening time. So its fairly dark out.
    It's still hard for me to comprehend the horror!
    An alligator ran out of the lake & grabbed the couples child!
    The father went in after it to try & get his little boy, to no avail.
    Ultimately they had caught 5 alligators, opened them up, nothing!
    The alligator had taken the boy down & rolled him. He of course drowned.
    They supposedly had signs with 🐊 on it & that's all, it was also nesting season.
    Someone dropped the ball on this one in the most horrifying way!
    Tragedies happen but I don't know how one would ever get over this!
    It's terrible everytime I hear mention of D. Land or World I think about this awful tragedy.
    No amount of $ can replace that child or the horror of witnessing the incident.
    Although, Disney must have paid dearly for this one.
    Love your channel! ❤

    • @norriskp
      @norriskp Před 2 lety +6

      I remember that! My God, that was horrible. I believe the child had actually waded into the shallow water at the edge though, IIRC, and they did recover his poor little body after maybe a week or so.

    • @SquigSoup
      @SquigSoup Před 2 lety +4

      I believe that was in 2016--right around the same time as the Pulse nightclub. Just a terrible time for Florida.

    • @mjrippe
      @mjrippe Před 2 lety

      @@SquigSoup Right now, every day is a terrible time for FL.

  • @ferociousgumby
    @ferociousgumby Před 2 lety

    This guy is without a doubt the best narrator on CZcams. His voice is absolutely perfect.

  • @xtremenortherner
    @xtremenortherner Před 2 lety +2

    After reading a few of these comments I'm shocked that some would complain about,"why aren't there any graphic photographs??!"I'm sure there are a few morbid websites where you have to pay to look at images of death in accidents...,sickos!

  • @kookykat4208
    @kookykat4208 Před 2 lety +6

    I can't get enough of these videos!

  • @PinkysProductions
    @PinkysProductions Před 2 lety +10

    as they always say its 10x more dangerous to drive to any park then it is going on the rides

  • @pnutbutrncrackers
    @pnutbutrncrackers Před rokem +1

    Back in the 1980's I was at Disneyland with my family, and noticed not long after going on the Matterhorn Bobsleds ride that it had been shut down and all boarded up. At the time we didn't know why. When we got home that evening the lead story on the TV news was "Death at Disneyland". We learned a woman had been killed on that ride while we were there, which explained its sudden closing that day. Sad and a little eerie.