LIABILITY: Dealing with Mistakes in FM24 | PAOK | Football Manager 24
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- čas přidán 12. 03. 2024
- Does it feel like every single opportunity is caused by a defensive error? Well, there might be a reason for that. Today, I talk about the role of mistakes in football and how to look beyond the obvious to identify weaknesses in the team.
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Another great video, as always! As somebody who is very prone to lamenting mistakes but never really looking beyond surface level at them, it's good to see the level of detail and gives me something to think about going forwards!
It's something I think people often overlook. They see mistakes, they get annoyed at the player (or FM in general), and looking at it in a wider context is hard. It's a shame I can't use real life footage without fear of copyright strikes - because the Liverpool/Man City game was a wonderful exhibition of how every single chance owed to a mistake somewhere along the line!
Definitely guily of that myself, less so lately but I've been known to throw out the 'FM just wants me to lose' excuse 😂@@mustermannfm
@@adam_otbfm it's quite a nice excuse, tbf. Much easier to accept than "my players are idiots and there's nothing I can do to stop them making mistakes, because it's an inherent feature of the sport and no player has ever had a truly perfect game".
As an American who got into football through fm, thank you. Your insight and knowledge has seriously impacted how I understand and watch the beautiful game.
That's lovely to hear - I'm glad to hear that every now and then my waffling has some value 😂
Although, now the pressure is on! I've just finished recording the voiceover for the next Monyeball Clinic episode, which includes a section on Paul De Podesta. If I get anything wrong, you might start to question the accuracy of anything else I said 🙈
@@mustermannfm haha the proof was already in the pudding 😉
@@loganadams1205 got to love a bit of Don Quixote!
As a lifelong fan of P.A.O.K. I am very happy to have stumbled to this series and I hope you continue having fun with my team as it has been a real joy to watch these vids! It is not often that a foreign streamer decides to start an FM series based on a Greek club, so this is exciting :)
Mind you, I have been playing FM since it was still called Championship Manager 2 back in the day (1994?). I remember you mentioning in a comment that you started during the Italia "edition" so I guess this makes us both "old farts" :D The thing is that I haven't been able to play in the Greek league in FM since the early 2000's, and this is mainly due to the corrupt state our football has been since even before my time on this earth which sickens my stomach now in my 40s even on a computer game.
It is not just Marinakis that has f* things up, there is AEK's Melissanidis in numerous occasions (nowadays and in the early 90s), the powerful Vardinogiannis family that owned Panathinaikos in the 80-90-00s, Kokkalis for Olympiacos during the 90s'-00s, the financial scandals with Koskotas before that and the list goes on and on. Our football has been closely tied to politics, with ship tycoons owning teams, having private "fan/hooligan" armies doing their bidding. It is just a messed up situation that frankly no one (especially every Greek government/party) wants to improve/clear up historically. There are a lot of examples, events, facts that can prove all of the above but I don't want to bore you with more details. My post is long enough already, apologies for that!
PAME PAOKARA! :D
No apology necessary for the long post!!
Greek football definitely has it's problems with corruption. Finding stuff in English can be difficult, but there's certainly evidence I can see going back all the way to the 70s, and when it's that ingrained it only stands to reason that the only way for clubs to compete is to engage in it themselves. It's difficult as a result to try and find a club who isn't complicit in some manner!
Well put, I sincerely hope that one day we will be able to enjoy football like they do in most of Europe at least. The doubt and toxicity in Greek football is just ridiculous and has steadily seeped in every aspect of it for decades. It twists your guts just following all the crazy stuff that goes on in courthouses, sport judges, FA offices etc. It's all about what happens outside the pitch. Not worth poisoning your soul over.
I hope you continue playing with PAOK mate, it's a blast watching. Hey maybe even win a EU trophy eventually, we're certainly in the mix for ECL this year ;)
The quality, the knowledge, the music choices...chef's kiss! 🤌🏼
I'm finally settling into a structure. Find a quote from someone far more knowledgeable than me (Cruiyff in this instance), then stretch it out for 15 minutes 🤣
Great stuff. Two highlights for me: first, as someone who grew up on cheesy 90's action flicks, I love a good montage. And second: "corruption!"
I really need to find some footage of PAOK players running up and down some steps for that true montage feeling
wonderful, in depth analysis
Thank you, dude! Glad you enjoyed it!
Oh yeah. Another day of quality content by Mustermann. How lucky we are. Absolutely in love with that series, keep going. I should trying a save with your skin without numbers
Glad you're enjoying it so far, and you should definitely try an attributeless save! You can always decide it's not for you after a couple of hours and just play normally (which is what I did the very first time I tried 😂)
Mustermann and Werderbrimen would be just ( Back to the roots ) i cant wait to see u take charge of theme .
Ohh yes about the video , and mistakes . Broo this is another level of analysing games and players in deepth . When ever i say i've done with this game , i mastered it . U came out with something new . Leave me be bro 😂😂
@@tarikat6870 😂😂😂 I'm sorry, dude. I'll stick to the normal subjects that everyone else does from now on 😂
Joking aside, it's one of those subjects I've wanted to talk about for ages, but it's always been too difficult to express. Trying to explain that mistakes are perfectly normal, and that you shouldn't overreact to them, but also that you want to identify who is making them so you can replace them. But whoever you replace them with is still going to make mistakes. Ah, it confuses me just tyring to type about it now 🤣
I'm worried that Werder might be too high reputation to be interested in me...even if the Greek Super League is ranked above Bundesliga. 2. Hopefully not, but too often in FM, I find a "perfect" job, only for them to laugh at me when I apply! Regardless, I think trying to get to Werder one way or another is a good goal for the career.
@@mustermannfm never stick to normal subjects as u r not normal dude . Noo realy , without ur videos i will never enjoy the game again , it will be just leading a none to UCL and so on , signing the best and develop the best and then what , just boring dominante . We wanted something else , and u just dileverd that . Last night i stated a new save with Deportivo la cronia . A huge clube with a greate history , with an iconic UCL moments against Milan if u remember , and iconic players like Roy Makkay . They are at the 3rd spanish leauge now . But it seems a bit tricky at the begining as their are a lot of transfares already pre arranged 🤪 since last nigth till now i didnt hit Continue Btn 😬 .
I hope some day you talk about them . Or try to do some Moneyball Clink for them or about Fiorentina/lazio to take this historic clubs to the next level .
Keep the good stuf and know , that we are enjoing anything u upload . 🫡
@@tarikat6870 Deportivo's decline has been shocking. It's crazy to think how far they've fallen since the days of Makaay, Tristan and Coloccini. Sounds like a great challenge (or at least it will be once you finally hit continue 😂)
great video as always.today i will be at toumba stadium to watch PAOK vs dinamo zagreb
Awesome!! Hope you have a great time. Well...kinda. I specifically hope that PAOK win 3-0, Villa beat Ajax and we get drawn against each other in the next round.
Love Evangelos Marinakis appearing in the sell notes.. Especially given his history with PAOK :p
Said like a true Forest fan 😂
That said, I do feel bad painting him to be the Villain when Ivan Savvidis might be worse!!
I am guessing you are referring to the whole gun issue that has been in the press. Savvidis has accepted a 2 year ban from football games without appeal acknowledging that mistake. The thing is that many owners have legal licenses to carry guns, the unfortunate thing was that in the heat of the moment he did not leave it with a member of the security team when he got onto the pitch (another mistake made on that day), and took off his coat and it was noticeable, but never drawn. One will notice that the gun is placed the other way around in the holster, a fact that indicates that it is there only for self defense.
To put things into context, during this match with AEK PAOK scored a goal in the 90th minute, which gave him the lead and by a large percentage the title (double) that year. The goal was valid, the ref went to the middle of the pitch indicating a new kick off, the linesman followed and then AEK players protested. The goal was ruled out, valid, then ruled out again. Savvidis was in the wrong to step in the pitch, but boy during that game and what conspired I am not sure if i could control myself either. Two weeks later, Olympiakos is in Toumba, but the match never took place because the coach Oscar Garcia was touched by a falling roll of paper during the teams' entrance onto the pitch (a common occurrence for fans to throw papers, rolls etc at the start of matches), fell down and started rolling over like he was hit by a truck. Long story short, match was cancelled, Olympiakos won the game on paper 0-3 and PAOK was denied yet another title.
I am sure that in Russia Savvidis might not be a saint, in the Greek league however and the way he runs the team has nothing to do with Marinakis. One can just google and read exactly how this man operates, just look into the Noor 1 ship story. PAOK was the team that left the pitch in protest during a cup tie with Olympiakos, when the ref was going rampart and ruling everyone in favour of the team from Piraeus. The result was a huge reform in football with many teams joining the "revolution" with one of the outcomes being that all big games/derbies in Greece are since refereed by foreign officials appointed by UEFA. Moreover, VAR was introduced in the Greek league paid by initially by Savvidis who pushed to have it implemented in order for the league to have some sort of meritocracy.
Once again apologies for the length of the comment, but i hope it helps putting some things in context and giving you an inside look into the "wonderful" world of Greek football :)
@@Thelbanor Marinakis has been the subject of my jokes throughout the series, but it would be ridiculous for me to ignore Savvidis just because there's other bad people in the league. Everyone is a target for jokes.
Oh no no, that was not my intention, I was merely trying to provide some insight on what GR league is all about. Jokes are fun regardless of the person targeted, I am not Savvidis' lawyer! Joke away, go Ricky Gervais on the man 🤣Trust me, as PAOK fans no one can trash talk our team better than us, that is a fact. The infighting is brutal with Greek teams in general I think.
just found this channel, this is such a great quality video, so glad to have found this
Welcome!! Glad you enjoyed it, and hopefully you're along for the rest of the ride!
Love your approach of playing the game! Do you know other Let´s Plays with your skin?
I don't, no. I know www.youtube.com/@DodgeeGamer and www.youtube.com/@danielevensen84 didat the tail end of FM23...but then I went completely attributeless.
On Twitch, www.twitch.tv/bizarrabrigade has during the NACL network save, but I believe that was more occasional than being used throughout. And for blogs, there's always www.viewfromthetouchline.com/category/adam/
But...a traditional Let's Play...unfortunately not!
Yeah, thought it would be great by the title only and boy great it was! You're making it sound so easy and smooth and what a fantastic run you're having! But, you're leaving aren't you?
The run is quite incredible. Although there is something quite beautiful about being unable to beat Slavia Prague (no disrespect intended), but then avoiding defeat to Man City. In fact, I actually missed our equaliser in that game. I saw the highlight pop up so deep in injury time, that I assumed it was just the highlight for the full time whistle, so started heading to the kitchen to make a coffee! Then had to rush back when I heard the celebrations 😂
It does, sadly, look like I'll be going. There's still a chance of staying, but trying to think of what would be realistic for the character. So every time Savvidis insults me with a derisory offer, my demands increase by 5%!
@@mustermannfm Show him who's boss! I'm so tempted to use your tactic, although I'm trying the "prepare and adapt" strategy of yours this year and it's working (till now)!
@@vangeliskastanas I'll always advocate for sticking with the tactic you've got, and is based on what your team needs!! Or in my case here, for sticking with a tactic I want to use, and then change all the players until I got the right ones for the job 😂
Another great episode!!
Thank you, dude 🙏
Another entertaining video. I’ll admit I was a little impatient waiting on a new video that I started rewatching the Aston Villa series 😅
Loving the enthusiasm!!
If you know someone who's willing to bankroll me so I can quit my job, then I can get more videos out each week!!
Where can I donate? Only if you take the Werder Bremen job that is ;)
@@Noticer333 The question isn't if I will take the Werder job. It's if Werder will take me 😂!!
great video
Ευχαριστώ! 🙏
So which highlight you would recommend to watch the game on? Comphrensive? Because Full match is too long.
Also what data points do you look at to pinpoint mistakes?
I seldom recommend - it's about finding what you are comfortable with. All the examples in the first half were on Key (with extra rewinding to see what lead to the corner against Volos). For the added Erlingmark retrospective, there were some added from looking at possession lost highlights and opposition shit highlights.
I do, however, watch on full or comprehensive in pre-season to get a stronger understanding of tactical settings, and those moments help me understand some of the things to look out for in general.
Can i what camera angle settings you use? Looks great
Vertical Scrolling, Low height, close to maximum zoom. I have to adjust it for some games where you end up seeing a bit too much of the stands for the goal at the bottom of the pitch, though.
I really hope there is a free camera setting for FM25, it would be nice to get some more close-action angles for highlights.
@@mustermannfm Brilliant, thank you 😊
What are your camera settings?
Vertical Scrolling, low height, high zoom.
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Why would a player accept your low non negotiable offer?only very few libral agent will accept those!
Do you mean why would the chairman accept my non-negotiable offer?
A couple of things - I save before the contract negotiations, go through them normally, taking screenshots and progress the game. Then when it comes to putting together the videos, I will load up the save from beforehand, and record the interaction so that it doesn't take up too much time. In these examples, I just cut out the negotiation steps.
In the first negotiation, the lowest I would accept was a 10% rise from my current salary. From 37k per week, to 40.5k. Every negotiation after this point, my demands will increase. In the second negotiation, the lowest I would accept was a 15% rise - e.g. 42.5k per week. It's the least I should expect, having guided the club to only their 4th league title, and on course to secure their 5th.