Bitcoin vs Gold: The Great Debate with Michael Saylor and Frank Giustra

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  • čas přidán 7. 09. 2024
  • It's the showdown that everyone has been waiting for. Gold financier Frank Giustra versus MicroStrategy CEO Michael Saylor in the ultimate gold vs bitcoin battle. Our Daniela Cambone moderates.
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  • @alanrizer3579
    @alanrizer3579 Před 3 lety +2779

    It's going to be real fun to revisit this video in 5-10 years.

    • @jaylast1958
      @jaylast1958 Před 3 lety +159

      Buying both. Bitcoin known to gain value faster, and gold known to hold value via historical precedent

    • @richardsoto278
      @richardsoto278 Před 3 lety +105

      I would say 12 months ..

    • @abelworld
      @abelworld Před 3 lety +24

      Right!!! Puerto Rock!! JP Morgan are super whales! They are buying bitcoin!

    • @PointDexterrocks
      @PointDexterrocks Před 3 lety +56

      Right! Frank is grasping straws. He doesn't want the shift of power to happen

    • @josephdecrescenzo5001
      @josephdecrescenzo5001 Před 3 lety +105

      BITCOIN FOR KIDS
      GOLD FOR ADULTS

  • @RVOddCouple
    @RVOddCouple Před 3 lety +1521

    Michael was a true Gentleman and weathered the personal attacks with honor & Grace. Best Moderation ever! Thank you 🙏

    • @jeanrichardvarre6062
      @jeanrichardvarre6062 Před 3 lety +67

      😆😅 Michael didn't answer because he had no answer to give.

    • @SacrumImperiumRomanum517
      @SacrumImperiumRomanum517 Před 3 lety +35

      @@jeanrichardvarre6062 what didn't he answer?

    • @haraldversteegden2562
      @haraldversteegden2562 Před 3 lety +21

      1:24:55 answering like ? Delusional.......what is he saying..........words .... glued together meaning nothing

    • @alexloc1446
      @alexloc1446 Před 3 lety +20

      @@jeanrichardvarre6062 haven’t watched it have you ;)

    • @jeanrichardvarre6062
      @jeanrichardvarre6062 Před 3 lety +24

      @@SacrumImperiumRomanum517 He didn't speak at length about the great Danger facing all Bitcoin Holders who live in Countries that are 100% certain to Tax all Bitcoin Transactions ( purchase & sale) 2016-2020. All this plus Capital Gains too.
      Some Countries will ban possession of Bitcoin outright.

  • @beryl6663
    @beryl6663 Před 3 lety +1294

    Michael was talking about bitcoin, Frank was talking about Michael.

    • @PP-qx6ss
      @PP-qx6ss Před 3 lety +20

      🔥😎✅

    • @k.k.9923
      @k.k.9923 Před 3 lety +27

      Yep, that really makes an impression.

    • @ArmArmy88
      @ArmArmy88 Před 3 lety +21

      Great comment

    • @NeoKailthas
      @NeoKailthas Před 3 lety +26

      and then at the end he cries about being attacked lol

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    @MIchaelGuzman737 Před rokem +240

    I've seen people make seven-figure profits in both declining and rising markets; it all depends on the information and methods used. There is no doubt that the recession and crisis have benefited some people significantly.

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  • @elvischarlie506
    @elvischarlie506 Před 3 lety +385

    Lot of respect for Michael when Frank was attacking. Michael didn't do it once. Respect to him

    • @katrinleinhos6610
      @katrinleinhos6610 Před 2 lety +27

      I thought the same. Michael stayed calm while attacked quite personal by Frank.

    • @rubenortega6088
      @rubenortega6088 Před 2 lety +46

      There is no need to attack a gold defender, it’s like embarrassing an elder whose time has passed.

    • @yihyong3836
      @yihyong3836 Před 2 lety +19

      It was very obvious saylor understands bitcoin and gold, frank was getting schooled so he just attacked.
      Speaks volumes

    • @adriantatar6046
      @adriantatar6046 Před 2 lety +14

      Michael attacked Frank with arguments and facts. It was easy

    • @amogrows
      @amogrows Před 2 lety +3

      I scrolled the comments, initially thinking no one noticed. I am not keen on Frank's approach. A debate is terrible when the opposition takes sly digs instead of sticking to the topic.

  • @raresh22577
    @raresh22577 Před 3 lety +803

    Learned more about gold today by listening to Michael Saylor then I did from Frank Giustra.

  • @walterdasilva276
    @walterdasilva276 Před 3 lety +481

    What a pleasure it is to have a hostess that asks a powerful question and allows the guest to speak freely.

    • @rocking1313
      @rocking1313 Před 3 lety +10

      never happens on cable tv ever!

    • @getreal155
      @getreal155 Před 3 lety +16

      Stop watching TV for a few months and then you notice this is actually normal.

    • @sineadward5225
      @sineadward5225 Před 3 lety +9

      She's so good. Solid interviewing skills.

    • @brian6x
      @brian6x Před 3 lety +7

      You don't get that on tv!

    • @dowskivisionmagicaloracle8593
      @dowskivisionmagicaloracle8593 Před 3 lety +12

      I hope this debate, between these two seasoned gentlemen and a tempered moderator, can demonstrate and serve as a template to the millennial generation how to do so in a civilized fashion without intellectual dishonesty, pejoratives, crybullying, and other petty behaviour.

  • @Alejandracamacho357
    @Alejandracamacho357 Před rokem +248

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      @BenjaminMcLeod815 Před rokem +3

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  • @danielwoolman8969
    @danielwoolman8969 Před 3 lety +561

    These two gentlemen could teach our politicians about how to fairly debate like men.

    • @stolenjunk
      @stolenjunk Před 3 lety +18

      And most of all, have moderators like Daniela.

    • @youngdrosenumbaone8371
      @youngdrosenumbaone8371 Před 3 lety +2

      What politicians?

    • @FerventReminder
      @FerventReminder Před 3 lety +18

      I'm not so sure I'd call Frank a gentleman, I could be wrong about him of course but I think he has some pretty clear and suspect connections to the Clintons and Epstein from memory.

    • @stolenjunk
      @stolenjunk Před 3 lety

      @@FerventReminder hmmm

    • @FixUp.LookSharp
      @FixUp.LookSharp Před 3 lety +4

      Exactly. It was much much more professional than Trump v Biden

  • @forexdissector9565
    @forexdissector9565 Před 3 lety +412

    This is the first debate i've seen where neither of the guests interrupted each other even once.

    • @whatifgodimagineinfinity5526
      @whatifgodimagineinfinity5526 Před 3 lety +9

      For me that was part of the problem. They weren't talking to each other. They were just expressing their views with no jousting and arrival at mutually agreed truth.

    • @PhoenixCrown
      @PhoenixCrown Před 3 lety +5

      @@whatifgodimagineinfinity5526 I wish they had spoken directly to each other instead of Daniella, but I LOVED how respectful each of them were--we could actually hear their arguments!!! Compare that to a T***p debate...

    • @randalllimburg6410
      @randalllimburg6410 Před 3 lety +16

      @@PhoenixCrown
      I love Trump crushing Faux Joe!!!

    • @iwonastas1346
      @iwonastas1346 Před 3 lety +3

      Yes, I felt the same, it was more like a presentation.

    • @dowskivisionmagicaloracle8593
      @dowskivisionmagicaloracle8593 Před 3 lety +10

      I hope this debate, between these two seasoned gentlemen, can demonstrate and serve as a template to the millennial generation how to do so in a civilized fashion without intellectual dishonesty, pejoratives, crybullying, and other petty behaviour.

  • @dominikhasek3611
    @dominikhasek3611 Před 3 lety +248

    Frank convinces me to buy more BTC. Thanks man

  • @vassil888
    @vassil888 Před 2 lety +178

    When someone attacks the opponent personally, it means they are running out of argument. Same as when you glorify your own expertise. Frank kept commiting logical fallacies. I love it how Michael would just strike back with facts and theory in cold blood.

    • @rickydavis5422
      @rickydavis5422 Před 2 lety +16

      I'm thinking Frank has an ego problem. Very rude

    • @edithaoribello8215
      @edithaoribello8215 Před 2 lety +1

      Yes Bit it coin…..

    • @edithaoribello8215
      @edithaoribello8215 Před 2 lety +1

      Nobody wants gold… its always stolen. Bitcoin is not fantasy. It’s reality

    • @topdog5252
      @topdog5252 Před 2 lety +8

      The beauty of Micheal’s opening remark just focussed on engineering, 1st principles and pure reality. Love to see it

    • @Eline_Meijer
      @Eline_Meijer Před 2 lety +6

      you need to watch this again, your guy lost it big time. Michael just made me sell my Bitcoin, I made me realize that Bitcoin is useless

  • @e34turbo62
    @e34turbo62 Před 3 lety +1057

    OK, so what did we learn?
    Frank will buy bitcoin at the dip
    Michael will not buy gold

    • @eliotengelking2594
      @eliotengelking2594 Před 3 lety +25

      Lmfaooo

    • @MHendersonwriter
      @MHendersonwriter Před 3 lety +61

      Today I learned that having money does not = being smart. AND.....I got to see a dinosaur die on live TV/WEB today. Adapt or Die!

    • @markfoster8167
      @markfoster8167 Před 3 lety +4

      @@MHendersonwriter you’ve been watching “Money Ball”!

    • @MHendersonwriter
      @MHendersonwriter Před 3 lety +45

      @@markfoster8167 No, Ive been watching old gold lovers get publicly embarrassed because they cant put their pride down..this is a vicious cycle that will continue to go on...

    • @cococryptotv9750
      @cococryptotv9750 Před 3 lety +6

      Spot on!

  • @rinkelstein7069
    @rinkelstein7069 Před 3 lety +341

    Two hour summary:
    - Frank will buy some bitcoin from Michael.
    - Michael will buy some olive oil from Frank.

    • @ooosoo8727
      @ooosoo8727 Před 3 lety +4

      and Michael will buy some gold from me.

    • @Ninjatech1980
      @Ninjatech1980 Před 3 lety +1

      🤣🤣🤣🤣

    • @sallywilliams421
      @sallywilliams421 Před 3 lety +22

      Michael will never sell his Bitcoin...Frank will need to register with Coinbase

    • @efrain2915
      @efrain2915 Před 3 lety

      🤣

    • @dutchcruise
      @dutchcruise Před 3 lety +5

      Best comment here! HHahaha! Made my day! So funny! 🥳😋

  • @waylong5700
    @waylong5700 Před 3 lety +454

    Saylor's rant on people seizing gold is FKN EPIC!!!!!!

    • @AmandeepSingh-ft1hf
      @AmandeepSingh-ft1hf Před 3 lety +16

      My favorite part so far

    • @thesilverphist6483
      @thesilverphist6483 Před 3 lety +14

      makes Franky sound like pure tedium

    • @streetcrypto1218
      @streetcrypto1218 Před 3 lety +19

      Ya just after Giustra said “I know my history” ... boom slammed dunked on

    • @bigqueue
      @bigqueue Před 3 lety +21

      It is an excellent proof of the value of Gold.

    • @MaleLateBloomer
      @MaleLateBloomer Před 3 lety +25

      @@bigqueue Its pretty clear in 2021, governments are more scared of bitcoin than gold. The fact Frank is more scared the government will ban bitcoin than gold shows bitcoins value proposition as the future of sound money.

  • @CryptoFace
    @CryptoFace Před 2 lety +16

    It only took 10 years for there to be a mature debate about bitcoin between 2 opposing sides. Great one!

    • @lilmayo
      @lilmayo Před 2 lety

      legend

    • @Jack-ur7mq
      @Jack-ur7mq Před 2 lety

      Bitcoin outperformed Gold from the date of thos debate too. Gold went the way..

  • @Tony_Rome
    @Tony_Rome Před 3 lety +156

    No interruptions from either debater or the moderator only to inform time is up and to ask the questions...WOW!!! Moderator very professional and showed no bias...next presidential debaters should be forced to watch this debate!!!

    • @LingJunZhang
      @LingJunZhang Před 3 lety +3

      thumb up this, but still do believe Trump did better with Biden and more fun~~

    • @Tony_Rome
      @Tony_Rome Před 3 lety

      @@LingJunZhang yessss

    • @oliveoil7642
      @oliveoil7642 Před 3 lety +1

      Worst moderator ever Chris Wallace from Fox sooo biased for Biden disgusting and shameful

    • @tonyrome617
      @tonyrome617 Před 3 lety

      @robin young if the moderator is not bias then yea I see your fuckin point 🤘I don’t know how she would of handled a ruckus presidential debate? Goldwater 🤣 that’s a long time ago jeez…anyway your comment was Hott AF!

    • @ckniffen7111
      @ckniffen7111 Před 3 lety

      Just let Daniella do the next presidential debate lol

  • @waylong5700
    @waylong5700 Před 3 lety +330

    This debate is the epitome of legacy thinking vs innovative forward thinking. Nothing more powerful than an idea whose time has come.

    • @brandonsmith6965
      @brandonsmith6965 Před 3 lety +15

      Legacy thinking is the opposite of thinking. It's "doing what we always did".

    • @donwooss
      @donwooss Před 3 lety +17

      Frank "I dont just see" Giustra

    • @lmfr08
      @lmfr08 Před 3 lety +7

      Well said

    • @suggadeg
      @suggadeg Před 3 lety +2

      XRP is the future of cross border payments and transfers. How much does it cost to transfer bitcoin?

    • @aceofswords1725
      @aceofswords1725 Před 3 lety +10

      Yupp,, Frank is a boomer elitist, growing fine wines, financing art and smugly preaching "climate change". I don't like him or his ilk. I suspect he would be much happier if people like me and you, most of humanity in fact, didn't exist.
      Isn't it funny how all those "progressive" and "woke" ideas that are supposed to appeal to the young invariably have roots in late 60s early 70s? Funny that. Thank god boomers have begun retiring these days, perhaps we'll finally have some peace and sanity for a change (Or maybe I'm too optimistic and we'll have to wait till they start dying off in greater numbers).

  • @drummerdoc04
    @drummerdoc04 Před 3 lety +311

    What a public service to these two gentlemen to help us retail investors learn from them. Very generous with their time and expertise. Thank you Michael, Frank, and Daniela!!

    • @lgrrf
      @lgrrf Před 3 lety +16

      Michael can be imprecise and misleading in some specific details, but Frank, who likes to come off as this more moderated and wiser character, has made fallacy after fallacy. Here are Frank’s main points (just in the first 25 minutes):
      1. “Aspiring to be a safe haven doesn’t make it so” - Bitcoin has been as safe haven as gold has. In times of crisis both have dropped and then gone up. But even if gold was and bitcoin wasn’t, that would be perfectly fine. Bitcoin is still much smaller with a much higher potential. It’s like the internet in the 90s. It aspired to be a lot of things and it became all of that later.
      2. “Why would anyone pay 60k today without a target of 500k in mind?” - The only target we need today is 60k. If you’re able to maintain your wealth, it serves the purpose. The same applies to gold. The difference is that gold is more expensive to store and transact, so you actually need a higher target with gold.
      3. “Pretending that bitcoin is a risk-free asset is naïve” - I have to agree here. Michael doesn’t present bitcoin’s risks properly. However, the risks from government and central banks apply to gold too. Indeed, gold is more easily confiscated than bitcoin. So, it seems that Michael isn’t the only one to overlook the risks.
      4. “I don’t see a way where bitcoin is going to be a method of payment” - This is one of the dumbest comments. If he said it’s not today, that would be perfectly fine. But saying he cannot see that in the future is just dumb.
      5. “I can’t see how bitcoin is going to be recognized as money in the way gold is” - This is the very same comment that all the disrupted sectors made just before being disrupted.
      6. “Bitcoin has never been tested, especially in a financial crisis (…) gold is going to be safe from cyber attacks on both the internet and power grids” - He’s not sure how bitcoin is going to perform in a crisis, because it hasn’t been tested, but is sure how gold is going to be safe in a non tested scenario. Also, these extreme scenarios are a joke. The largest companies in the world are internet-based/related (Google, Amazon, Facebook, Apple, Microsoft). I’ve never heard about that argument to favor investing in Kodak or Blockbuster. Also, bitcoin doesn’t require the internet to exist.
      7. “Governments are not going to allow that kind of anarchy [bitcoin capturing the world’s wealth]” - While this is likely to face great governments’ resistance, it’s not an anarchist scenario, providing that governments are still able to collect taxes. An anarchist scenario would be for instance the world war with EMPs that he was describing.

    • @JuJu916JuJu
      @JuJu916JuJu Před 3 lety +4

      Is Michael reading a script? Wtf

    • @annabellewood8887
      @annabellewood8887 Před 3 lety +7

      This two are really helping investors
      I'm 51 my husband 56 we are both retired with over $3 million in net worth and no debt. Currently living smart and frugal with our money. Saving and lnvesting lifestyle in Bitcoin made it possible for us this early. Thanks to FIRE movement
      Great debate! Wish we could have Danielle monitor our Presidential Debates. Very professional, insightful and good

    • @akiobernard3391
      @akiobernard3391 Před 3 lety +2

      Danielle is a blessing to this generation. I wish and pray my pregnant wife will give birth to smart and intelligent child like Danielle 😅❤️ . She too smart

    • @akiobernard3391
      @akiobernard3391 Před 3 lety

      Great job with your husband, I bet you're living your best life right now

  • @garyadams72
    @garyadams72 Před 2 lety +33

    Now that a year has passed, it would be informative to have a rematch. Great presentation by both.

  • @competent-ninja
    @competent-ninja Před 3 lety +145

    Coming back to see this in 1, 5 and 10 years. It will be so fun!

    • @RandyDupree
      @RandyDupree Před 3 lety +3

      Poor Frank!! many millionaires and Multi millionaires will be made by then lol

    • @tjhunter3288
      @tjhunter3288 Před 3 lety +8

      @@RandyDupree people aren't made millionaires and multi millionaires sitting around very often. Be weary

    • @bar8665
      @bar8665 Před 3 lety +2

      @@RandyDupree millionaires made by crushing the greater fool

    • @bar8665
      @bar8665 Před 3 lety +2

      @@timan206 It may crash. My point was if it goes up and they become "millionaires", it's because a "greater fool" bought it so then the lesser fool was able to sell, get out, and reap the benefits leaving them to hold the bags. It's a huge ponzi scheme..

    • @AC-wl7ve
      @AC-wl7ve Před 3 lety +1

      @@tjhunter3288 the fact everyone is so sure they’ll be made millionaires by buying bitcoin tells me this craze is probably running out of steam pretty soon.

  • @Soaptoaster
    @Soaptoaster Před 3 lety +152

    It's so telling that this debate has only 170,000 views. It should be 1000x times this and one day it will be. Bravo for these two gentlemen for having the stones to step up and use their minds to debate substantive issues. The greatest economic issues of our day. Just awesome to see. Daniela, you may be the greatest moderator of our era.

    • @eugens218
      @eugens218 Před 3 lety

      Well because the outcome of this debate is obvious before watching it and clear after a couple minutes.

    • @Soaptoaster
      @Soaptoaster Před 3 lety +1

      @@eugens218 what was the obvious outcome?

    • @eugens218
      @eugens218 Před 3 lety +5

      @@Soaptoaster goldbug gets rekt

    • @dwaynejones1555
      @dwaynejones1555 Před 3 lety +3

      @@eugens218 Yep. And not even gracefully.

    • @Soaptoaster
      @Soaptoaster Před 3 lety

      @Christopher Schotts It's also the genre, not the time since release.

  • @BGMzRahii2k9
    @BGMzRahii2k9 Před 3 lety +108

    Michael Saylor lays out the statistics while Frank Guistra lays out his emotions. I've learned more about Gold here from Michael than Frank himself.

    • @kevintomman1277
      @kevintomman1277 Před 3 lety +5

      Spot on

    • @valpadilla1
      @valpadilla1 Před 3 lety +2

      Totally agree;)

    • @User0resU-1
      @User0resU-1 Před 3 lety +4

      Halfway through Frank's opening statement and I'm thinking wtf is he trying to do!
      I'm hoping to hear an adult debate... I'll keep listening.
      58 minutes in and Michael sounds bored in his rebuttal - wasting his breath on Frank's myopic argument.
      Conclusion: Michael got rich using brain and intellect.
      Frank got rich using pick and shovel.
      I feel kinda sorry for Frank, he's getting left behind.

    • @lutsanpedro9687
      @lutsanpedro9687 Před 3 lety

      hahaha youre right.

  • @Will0wind
    @Will0wind Před 2 lety +28

    I watched the whole thing and you what you can see is one man that brought up all his points in an objective manner while the other felt like defending himself and his asset because there was no "obvious reason" to like it. Love your work Michael!

  • @thomasbrittinghamjr.8508
    @thomasbrittinghamjr.8508 Před 3 lety +334

    I'd like to see Michael debate Peter Schiff.

    • @mathieupotvin8601
      @mathieupotvin8601 Před 3 lety +22

      Peter actually reached out but he refuses to debate him...

    • @kimokapaku3886
      @kimokapaku3886 Před 3 lety +56

      Peter schiff can't even debate his own son

    • @UnclePhillyMyAss
      @UnclePhillyMyAss Před 3 lety +26

      Theres no point Schiff just shouts over people

    • @thomasbrittinghamjr.8508
      @thomasbrittinghamjr.8508 Před 3 lety +10

      Maybe if it was moderated like this one it wouldn't be too bad.

    • @DiiceForeveroO
      @DiiceForeveroO Před 3 lety +8

      @@thomasbrittinghamjr.8508 but this format sucks. You only have 1 minute to rebuttal. If I were on the side of gold I will literally throw so much FUD to Michael to the point that it’s impossible for Michael to rebuttal each point effectively.

  • @gregorydowning1186
    @gregorydowning1186 Před 3 lety +168

    Within the first opening statements you can already tell Michael has superior financial intelligence and grasp of both markets ! Throughout the debate you learn more about gold from Michael than you do from his opponent ! What a debate

    • @topdog5252
      @topdog5252 Před 3 lety +6

      Jeez that’s facts. Frank keeps saying what central banks and China have *today,* and Micheal keeps talking about the future which is what matters in this debate.

    • @narayana937
      @narayana937 Před 2 lety +1

      Frank was ill equipped for this debate; he needed to assume he needed to school Michael. It was obvious Frank was was cognitively handicapped in this encounter.

    • @MrManny075
      @MrManny075 Před 2 lety +1

      And he started by saying we invented fire.

    • @andreb6409
      @andreb6409 Před 2 lety +2

      This isn’t a debate. It’s a massacre

    • @izbavynasotlukavago
      @izbavynasotlukavago Před 2 lety

      Nailed it.

  • @svessien
    @svessien Před 3 lety +152

    Stansberry research, Daniella, Michael and Frank: THANK YOU for showing us that the serious, intelligent debate is still alive! And that is worth even more than both gold and bitcoin!

  • @magichandpuppet
    @magichandpuppet Před 2 lety +68

    Bitcoin was about $51,683 and Gold was $1783 at the time of this debate (Apr 22, 2021). Today (Jun 14, 2022), Bitcoin is $22,090 and Gold is $1815.

    • @JohnSmith-bq6nf
      @JohnSmith-bq6nf Před 2 lety +18

      Gold barely moves during inflation on top of that Bitcoin will pump harder

    • @burkester1045
      @burkester1045 Před 2 lety

      I wonder how Mike feels about that? Poor guy. Wait for
      A few months, grrat bitcoin position not so much now.

    • @michaelhandle
      @michaelhandle Před 2 lety +10

      @@nickd3149 The real promise of Bitcoin (I would say) is not the returns. It's that you get to actually keep what you have over time. (which, as for example the dollar looses its value more and more, will look like a return. But the whole point of bitcoin is that hopefully you won't have to go back to the dollar)

    • @michaelhandle
      @michaelhandle Před 2 lety +2

      @@nickd3149 Oh important specification! Indeed keeping what you have in and of itself is meaningless.
      (I could argue that Bitcoin is the best form of property ever invented and that this has in and of itself some (great!) value but that's indeed unrelated to this topic)
      So "keeping what you have" should refer to both the actual property and the purchasing power

    • @michaelhandle
      @michaelhandle Před 2 lety +9

      To summarise in pro-bitcoin terms:
      1. Nobody can take it from you (it's the best property)
      2. Nobody can make more of it (it's the best store of value)

  • @Hamradio54730
    @Hamradio54730 Před 3 lety +208

    Thanks to all who made this event possible. God bless all

  • @b_bullish6700
    @b_bullish6700 Před 3 lety +196

    I was so impressed with Micheals class and his ability to contain himself and stick to the point even though Frank repeatedly insulted his character. Frank seemed desperate while Micheal never flinched. I respect both men but Micheal once again just blew me away with his knowledge and passion for the greatest asset of our lives.

    • @josephdecrescenzo5001
      @josephdecrescenzo5001 Před 3 lety +1

      BITCOIN FOR KIDS
      GOLD FOR ADULTS

    • @emmannamontini7252
      @emmannamontini7252 Před 3 lety +6

      @@josephdecrescenzo5001 I disagree, I know plenty of adults changing their mind on what is the best store of value

    • @alexloc1446
      @alexloc1446 Před 3 lety +4

      @@josephdecrescenzo5001 repetitive capital statements for morons.

    • @enjoythedreamlife5658
      @enjoythedreamlife5658 Před 3 lety +1

      No you are scared with what Frank is saying. He is right and you are scared you have no clue how governments control. Bitcoin is nothing. Bitcoin will never rule the roost. You only own it if you do because it has went up rapidly.

    • @davisutton1
      @davisutton1 Před 3 lety +1

      He's clearly on the spectrum. He simply doesn't have a reaction. Would you be impressed if a vending machine didn't react to challenges to its character.

  • @travelnurseadventures3225
    @travelnurseadventures3225 Před 3 lety +103

    Great debate! Wish we could have Daniela monitor our Presidential Debates. Very professional and insightful-Thank you

    • @PaparazziParadise
      @PaparazziParadise Před 3 lety

      I thought Danela was a bit taken with the moment.
      Nearly three minutes of yapping before starting the debate.
      It wasn't historic.... interesting, but not the huge event Daniela wants to believe.

    • @pamelagrant8622
      @pamelagrant8622 Před 3 lety

      @@PaparazziParadise !aaaaa!aaaaaaaa!a!!aaaa Ky

  • @petedocherty6774
    @petedocherty6774 Před 2 lety +42

    Saylor is the master in these situations. Incredible intelligence with foresight. For those reasons he will be the richest person in history soon

    • @andrashka3
      @andrashka3 Před 2 lety +3

      Nope. Buy hex instead.

    • @Franco_City
      @Franco_City Před 2 lety +4

      @@andrashka3 LMAO hex

    • @spikestephens
      @spikestephens Před 6 měsíci +1

      ​@@andrashka3 sorry about your hex position. Hope you'll reconsider Bitcoin now

    • @_monte
      @_monte Před 6 měsíci +2

      @@spikestephens lmao

  • @Elfig2011
    @Elfig2011 Před 3 lety +62

    One of the BEST interviews I ever saw about bitcoin/gold debates, i thank the hostess, the speakers and the organisation to have this special interview! I will share this link to many! Thanks!

  • @ranjitchakravarty604
    @ranjitchakravarty604 Před 3 lety +74

    Frank consistently got personal with Mike , throwing comments like " I have been doing this all my life" which doesn't matter. Mike kept straight to point and never attacked Frank

    • @leemosey
      @leemosey Před 3 lety +4

      These oldies suffer from Cognitive dissonance you cant turn them around. They do not understand the value of software

  • @Captain-wc6vj
    @Captain-wc6vj Před 3 lety +94

    Michael eloquently showing us where we should be, Frank bluntly (but necessarily) reminding us where we are...

    • @INeedsMoneys
      @INeedsMoneys Před 3 lety +3

      And with that being said, nothing in the universe is stationary. Everything is moving from where it is to where it should be. From Big Bang to expansion to contraction back to Big Bang, and the cycle restarts

    • @Captain-wc6vj
      @Captain-wc6vj Před 3 lety +3

      @@INeedsMoneys Frank would argue that world view originated at a central bank...

    • @INeedsMoneys
      @INeedsMoneys Před 3 lety

      @@Captain-wc6vj why?

    • @dannycorking2632
      @dannycorking2632 Před 3 lety +7

      Frank is just attacking Michal
      All I get from this is that gold is for the bankers and the rich!
      Bitcoin is for everyone I know what I want 👍

    • @INeedsMoneys
      @INeedsMoneys Před 3 lety +3

      @@dannycorking2632 people unite. One love. Is all Bitcoin baby! Woohoo

  • @chrisb9238
    @chrisb9238 Před 2 lety +25

    Frank Guistra perfectly outlined everything wrong with our monetary system and why gold is antiquated. Well done.

    • @e-cuauhtemoc
      @e-cuauhtemoc Před 2 lety +3

      I couldn't agree more, but I stack both of course, as any financial investor should.

    • @shafserious2805
      @shafserious2805 Před 2 lety

      Stay Gold

    • @darthbrooks4933
      @darthbrooks4933 Před 9 měsíci

      @@shafserious2805ok boomer, enjoy your -1% returns every year

    • @shafserious2805
      @shafserious2805 Před 9 měsíci

      @@darthbrooks4933 not bothered about returns or get rich schemes im rich with life and think of the bigger issue.

  • @22plepte.ltd.96
    @22plepte.ltd.96 Před 3 lety +59

    I don't give a hoot who wins this "debate" I'm adding both in exchange of Fiat

  • @marcusc5257
    @marcusc5257 Před 3 lety +139

    I have to say, as much as I love gold, bitcoin guy brought the heat in this debate! Very solid arguments.

    • @Longtack55
      @Longtack55 Před 3 lety +3

      Next year tulips will be the fad.

    • @soapbxprod
      @soapbxprod Před 3 lety +1

      @@Longtack55 Agreed. I'm on the side of the gold bugs too

    • @beeftestosterone4840
      @beeftestosterone4840 Před 3 lety +8

      Ok boomer

    • @FilipinoHODL
      @FilipinoHODL Před 2 lety +1

      How about now? Still gold on your house?

    • @marcusc5257
      @marcusc5257 Před 2 lety

      @@beeftestosterone4840 you are clearly someone to not be taken seriously. State the specfics of your case or move on,

  • @alexparker848
    @alexparker848 Před 3 lety +227

    I’m only 30 minutes in, but I keep thinking why is Frank so rude and disrespectful towards Michael - those who attack a person rather than the argument lose the argument in my view

    • @rebranch74
      @rebranch74 Před 3 lety +18

      Desperation when up against such an adversary is bound to occur,
      Math versus pessimism 2021.

    • @nacho370
      @nacho370 Před 3 lety +14

      100% mate. Frank has not credibility at all

    • @anthonynicholson5523
      @anthonynicholson5523 Před 3 lety +14

      He's watching common sense drain his stash if golds worth

    • @forestgreensmile
      @forestgreensmile Před 3 lety +3

      Well said.

    • @patrickmcfly3264
      @patrickmcfly3264 Před 3 lety +18

      Frank is pointing out the danger if Michael's arguments of hype, hyperbole, and exaggerations and twisting facts, does Michael guarantee you a refund if Bitcoin doesn't goto 1 million dollars, to 500K, to 250K, to 150K? If he doesn't than what gives MIke the unethical right to guarantee you if you buy at the bubble top, by leveraging margin and debts, and then it drops 80%, what happens if you need to spend your bitcoin funds after the crash?

  • @lluiszardoya
    @lluiszardoya Před 2 lety +14

    I love how after reading a couple comments there is no hate towards Frank. People feel compassion for him as it's obvious that his lack of research isn't as deep as Michael's.
    What a community of empowered individuals Bitcoin is creating.. I LOVE IT ❤️

    • @DirkDiggler_18
      @DirkDiggler_18 Před 2 lety

      Old people dont do research as they believe they already have enough knowledge 😅

    • @ALF3Y
      @ALF3Y Před 2 lety

      You mean he knows what he’s talking about with markets and Michael just says buzz words to bring dumb people into the Ponzi scheme?

  • @atomicrotation3884
    @atomicrotation3884 Před 3 lety +29

    One of the greatest debates of our generation. Full of great information delivered in a clear, respectful way.if only our presidential debates could go this smoothly.

  • @Zk8et
    @Zk8et Před 3 lety +239

    That was awesome Daniela.
    Can we have Max Keiser VS Peter Schiff next? Please!! 🙏🙏🙏🙏

    • @Zk8et
      @Zk8et Před 3 lety +3

      @@catseyes2334 was Daniela hosting it?

    • @loski1955
      @loski1955 Před 3 lety +5

      Please NO !!

    • @jcryptogoldsilv2826
      @jcryptogoldsilv2826 Před 3 lety +4

      Absolutely not!! Especially having Schiff on. Max is ok at times when he isn't wound up but Schiff is awful

    • @jwhite1559
      @jwhite1559 Před 3 lety +1

      @Diamondhandz369 z-nation yeah because they can’t walk off the stage from the pounding they take

    • @russhaluzman8797
      @russhaluzman8797 Před 3 lety +5

      I don't believe those two can have a civilized discussion like these gentlemen. Too much arrogance on both sides.

  • @AboutArchie
    @AboutArchie Před 3 lety +268

    A pleasure to hear an intelligent educated debate on this historical and important topic. Thank you gentlemen, Daniela and Stansbury for making this available!

    • @midgetmayweather4841
      @midgetmayweather4841 Před 3 lety +16

      Michael Saylor SMOKED this gold fool!!! Michael shared bitcoin facts, the other clown attacked without really making a good case for gold. Michael wins!!!!

    • @midgetmayweather4841
      @midgetmayweather4841 Před 3 lety +10

      @Mike Matthews were you watching the same video we were? Lolol. Michael UNLOADED endless facts. He did his homework on both gold and bitcoin while the other clown made attacks. If you don't see brilliance in Michael then you're making an emotional bias opinion which can only come from being a gold holder. Take off the blinders mam. Michael is on the level of Elon Musk. This gold clown didn't make a good case. Michael wins.

    • @carenkells9549
      @carenkells9549 Před 3 lety +1

      @Mike Matthews You are a fool !

    • @carenkells9549
      @carenkells9549 Před 3 lety +1

      @@midgetmayweather4841 Hands down !

    • @josephdecrescenzo5001
      @josephdecrescenzo5001 Před 3 lety +4

      BITCOIN FOR KIDS
      GOLD FOR ADULTS

  • @BestCryptoApps
    @BestCryptoApps Před 2 lety +41

    Just because you had the last say, doesn't mean you we're right. Bitcoin's transferability, scarcity, and retail relevancy or use case will show better than any precious metal portfolio. Micheal, thank you sincerely for fighting the good fight. Bitcoin has already seen the win over gold, many times over. It just takes time to realize it.

    • @maximo6037
      @maximo6037 Před 2 lety +7

      Saylor is a pumper

    • @BestCryptoApps
      @BestCryptoApps Před 2 lety +2

      o fine example of an investor.

    • @beatnuts1uk
      @beatnuts1uk Před 2 lety +5

      @@maximo6037 I agree. He can't be trusted.

    • @awseko4732
      @awseko4732 Před 2 lety +5

      It really just takes time for people to change their world views thats engrained in their mind

    • @aaroncook5928
      @aaroncook5928 Před rokem

      Great points are made on bitcoin, the problem is governments don't want to relinquish control of monetary policy. One law passed can change everything for bitcoin.
      That was the point of the opposing view, it isn't that electronic coins will exist, bitcoin won't be adopted since government can't control it.

  • @54woodsgirl
    @54woodsgirl Před 3 lety +87

    I have missed you Daniella on Kitco.
    One thing about Michael....he’s a gentleman and a scholar. A clear winner of this debate.

  • @mikew8100
    @mikew8100 Před 3 lety +84

    this debate boiled down:
    Frank: Government and Banks are extremely powerful and you can't do anything about it.
    Michael: Bitcoin is freedom.

    • @quant2011
      @quant2011 Před 3 lety +10

      Saylor is delusional beyond sanity. Or just a paid shill

    • @tyronejefforeillyramirez7961
      @tyronejefforeillyramirez7961 Před 3 lety +4

      @@quant2011 aww you missed out and hating like the rest of the poor dudes

    • @BobGeorgeMalem
      @BobGeorgeMalem Před 3 lety +1

      @@quant2011 lol, yeh it's tough when visionary capacity is too low :v

    • @coppersulphate002
      @coppersulphate002 Před 3 lety +4

      Frank says so because he is in bed with them! He's part of the cabal.

    • @coppersulphate002
      @coppersulphate002 Před 3 lety

      @Endless Freedom Frank is with the cabal too! He worked with Hilary Clinton in the past!!!

  • @waypastbedtime
    @waypastbedtime Před 3 lety +46

    Well, I sold my gold a while back. I don't regret it.

    • @whenwe9168
      @whenwe9168 Před 3 lety +2

      Longterm you will 🤗

    • @allaboutmusicmovies9606
      @allaboutmusicmovies9606 Před 3 lety

      With that comment you are right, you shouldnt own gold, because you doesnt understand it. Gold is for inflation and when the market have problem, which have been good since 2009, so the time to own gold is now, not 2010-2020.

  • @suekleiman
    @suekleiman Před 2 lety +64

    This is the best debate I have heard on the subject. I love Bitcoin, but I take Frank Guistra's position, that governments that hold the power and the guns are not going to give up their control of the world's monetary system easily. Therefore, hedge your bets for all outcomes. The idealist vs the pragmatist is a good way to frame that debate! Terrific!

    • @dabbbles
      @dabbbles Před 2 lety +2

      Nor will they. The big threat, in any scenario, is global CBDC. That could happen FAST (even overnight) with not a scrap of warning. People everywhere ought to be making/adopting alternatives NOW!

    • @comeseetheviolenceinherent579
      @comeseetheviolenceinherent579 Před 2 lety +9

      I believe that poorer countries will adopt bitcoin because they then can’t be manipulated by stronger countries as much. This will attract entrepreneur class. Those countries will get wealthy. Which then counties like the US will have to become more libertarian to compete with these countries. My vision is that governments losing control of the monetary system will be the greatest thing to happen to political systems since the development of the republic and the free market.

    • @ts8960
      @ts8960 Před 2 lety

      if they dare to wage war on the people by banning bitcoin, the people will win. especially in countries with the 2nd amendment. Dictatorships like china have already banned bitcoin and the loss is counted. no one cares about them. the people are more powerful than the government. thats the whole point of bitcoin, and thats the spirit behind the people who hold bitcoin, they dont trust the government

    • @AnthonyJones-gf6yv
      @AnthonyJones-gf6yv Před 2 lety

      Then you are lost

    • @markr5132
      @markr5132 Před 2 lety +2

      After Blackrocks and Fidelities announcement this week.. you have just been proven wrong. If you smart your happy about it however :-)

  • @table9music
    @table9music Před 3 lety +344

    Every time I hear “living in a fantasy” I’m buying more Bitcoin.

    • @MrMiggy1978
      @MrMiggy1978 Před 3 lety +1

      lol +1

    • @orangefield2308
      @orangefield2308 Před 3 lety +2

      Daniela should work for CNN ! Amazing reporter !

    • @mariagutierrez6948
      @mariagutierrez6948 Před 3 lety +3

      Wow how do you earn your bitcoins with profits without purchasing them... With the way bitcoins scales recently I'll love to know

    • @daneillapetts1123
      @daneillapetts1123 Před 3 lety +3

      Yeah I believe and I could say it's possible to earn and make lots of profits on bitcoins after I made my first successful profit of $3600 worth if bitcoin. Kudos friends 👍👍

    • @boalimchang6465
      @boalimchang6465 Před 3 lety +1

      Wow a $3600 profit .that's a very fair and nice way of earning side capitals ..please I'll love to know how to make couple of profits too. Thank you

  • @danbochman
    @danbochman Před 3 lety +277

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      @mrbinspire Před 3 lety

      facts homie i love the internet

    • @thebeerambassadorocmichael7388
      @thebeerambassadorocmichael7388 Před 3 lety

      I totally agree, where else would you get access to this level of knowledge and thought. Cheers 🍻

    • @filmawayvlad
      @filmawayvlad Před 3 lety

      Indeed

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      @hendrixsun9372 Před 2 lety +1

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  • @theonlyexpert
    @theonlyexpert Před 3 lety +139

    Giustra appears to aim a lot of his responses against Michaels character, whereas, Michael keeps is strictly on the subject at hand.

    • @edwardpowellmusic
      @edwardpowellmusic Před 3 lety +2

      That's cuz Michael's character warrants commenting on....

    • @theonlyexpert
      @theonlyexpert Před 3 lety +6

      @@edwardpowellmusic thats how one exposes his own weakness on character and facts of subject matter. when wisdom runs low, offenses run high.

    • @MichaelMinecraft190
      @MichaelMinecraft190 Před 3 lety

      "appears to" ... Interesting choice of language.... Listen to his criticism objectively he challenges Michael's opinions imo,

    • @theonlyexpert
      @theonlyexpert Před 3 lety

      @@MichaelMinecraft190 or theres another agenda behind the apparency.

    • @josephdecrescenzo5001
      @josephdecrescenzo5001 Před 3 lety

      BITCOIN FOR KIDS
      GOLD FOR ADULTS

  • @TomSchmitzLP
    @TomSchmitzLP Před 2 lety +28

    This is the video that won me over on Bitcoin...life-changing. Michael Saylor is a visionary.

    • @-Fluxor
      @-Fluxor Před 2 lety

      bitcoin is trash and was designed to fail the moment it was never used as money, not currency or as even an IOU. Good luck with fooling the top of a pyramid.

    • @NutriNerdy
      @NutriNerdy Před 2 lety +2

      @@-Fluxor What are you even talking about? It's used as a currency across the globe already. lol

    • @-Fluxor
      @-Fluxor Před 2 lety

      @@NutriNerdy Bitcoin is not a currency. There is a difference between what "money" and "currencies" are.

    • @aussieebayfashion
      @aussieebayfashion Před 2 lety +1

      @@NutriNerdy No it's not , when you "spend" Bitcoin, you most likely are spending money. You sell your Bitcoin, transfer the money to the other party, then purchase Bitcoin again. A true Bitcoin transaction can take up to hours even months to finalize, I'm shocked how little research Bitcoin lovers have done on cryptocurrency. When you purchase Bitcoin on exchange, you are not buying the actual Bitcoin, you just have the number registered on your account, not until you transfer it to a cold wallet you don't own anything. Then unless you pay with your cold wallet you are not using it as a currency, until then it's always linked to fiat money and always will be volatile.

  • @BennyPoppie
    @BennyPoppie Před 3 lety +145

    Finally something that wasn't a waste of my time. Well Done everyone.

  • @truthwar4567
    @truthwar4567 Před 3 lety +101

    one of the Greatest arguments ever! Pure Education...saylor is coming back outaaa nowhere with his uppercuts and hooks

  • @stony2516
    @stony2516 Před 3 lety +296

    Thank you Daniela. This has been a great debate and you have been an extraordinary host and moderator! Well done!
    It was a great pleasure to listen to you and the two gentlemen and I am with your last remarks: They did not have to, but we all should appreciate that they shared their position and thoughts.

    • @ecommasters3847
      @ecommasters3847 Před 3 lety +8

      I agree it was fantastic and incredibly informative to hear from them both.

    • @abraxas511
      @abraxas511 Před 3 lety +6

      Guistra thought process is the new "automobiles arent gonna replace horses. You cant breed two automobiles and make a new one". Or "the internal combustion engine will never replace the steam engine". Or "Jet airplanes will never replace ocean liners for cross atlantic travel".
      History will laugh at this debate, and he wont look good.

    • @delmonicofarquhar9893
      @delmonicofarquhar9893 Před 3 lety

      @Chatsworth Osborne, Jr. I agree!

    • @abraxas511
      @abraxas511 Před 3 lety +11

      @Chatsworth Osborne, Jr. I guess you pay for everything with gold coins. You never use "cyberspace" for anything? How do you think you are commenting, on a stone tablet? Good lord, you dinosaurs are gonna be left behind. Embracing technology on one hand, using it for commerce daily, but pretending its not the way of the future.

    • @VEILSIDEFTO01
      @VEILSIDEFTO01 Před 3 lety +1

      @@abraxas511 and tulips is the new currency, if your going to use history analogys, don't "cherry pick" - something this space suffers from terribly. Always only looking at pro..never cons as well....such much for objective analysis.

  • @daniel51404
    @daniel51404 Před 2 lety +9

    The best part of Gold and silver is that you can't trace it with is sold, with cryptos transactions will be on the blockchain unless you buy Monero and they are banning it because it's not about your privacy its about tracking your transactions with cryptos.

  • @tyfawkes
    @tyfawkes Před 3 lety +49

    Damn, when Michael Saylor starts to list all of the times in history where gold was seized through violence @39:35, that was a mic drop moment right there. team Michael Saylor for the win!

    • @EtotheZ2024
      @EtotheZ2024 Před 2 lety

      💯

    • @joelweinmaster
      @joelweinmaster Před 2 lety +1

      if only it was relevant to the discussion *mic drop*

    • @airlar4857
      @airlar4857 Před 2 lety +2

      I guess I'd agree if today were several hundred years ago... also, good was not "seized in 1933".. they made a temporary law allowing minimal ownership of gold and asked people to send in their gold. Only the idiots complied (kind of like today), but NOBODY went door to door and seized anything.

    • @SELLSHIELD
      @SELLSHIELD Před 2 lety +5

      @@joelweinmaster how is stating the actual history of gold not part of this debate? He must have use too many big words that made you frustrated huh 😂 you have to be a idiot not to be able to follow this great debate or you’re a bot😂

    • @SELLSHIELD
      @SELLSHIELD Před 2 lety +2

      @@airlar4857 😂😂😂😂 yeah ok buddy lee you keep telling yourself that

  • @scarlettjohansson5967
    @scarlettjohansson5967 Před 3 lety +117

    Every day of my life I always regret selling my bitcoins 8yrs ago.
    See how much its worth now.

    • @craigpolk5890
      @craigpolk5890 Před 3 lety +2

      You have to be calm no one ever knew it would get this high.

    • @samueljackson7380
      @samueljackson7380 Před 3 lety +1

      True you have a point.

    • @benjamincowen3423
      @benjamincowen3423 Před 3 lety

      °°Cryp=to°° is the future, trading ••cryp=to•• has
      become a lucrative way of making money

    • @scarlettjohansson5967
      @scarlettjohansson5967 Před 3 lety +1

      @@benjamincowen3423 Do you trade by yourself?

    • @maintenanceguy2187
      @maintenanceguy2187 Před 3 lety +1

      If I knew would have exchanged my wife for bitcoins 😁

  • @GK123
    @GK123 Před 3 lety +258

    Frank's opening remarks were just digs at michael saylor without giving anything as to why gold would be better

    • @JM-je7yn
      @JM-je7yn Před 3 lety +19

      Franks's whole game lacked validity. It was like he wasn't even there.

    • @ShaheenFahmy
      @ShaheenFahmy Před 3 lety +10

      Agreed. I felt like this was Frank's game throughout the entire debate, to be honest.

    • @Gigabyte1002
      @Gigabyte1002 Před 3 lety +9

      His closing remarks too by complaining about the social media stuff

    • @sssm1051
      @sssm1051 Před 3 lety +17

      When someone is losing a debate s/he starts to attack his/her opponent and unfortunately that's what Frank did at the get go.

    • @aceofswords1725
      @aceofswords1725 Před 3 lety +13

      Frank is a boomer elitist, growing fine wines, financing art and smugly preaching "climate change". I don't like him or his ilk. I suspect he would be much happier if people like me and you, most of humanity in fact, didn't exist.

  • @f.duarte5276
    @f.duarte5276 Před 2 lety +12

    A visionary vs a skeptic, history has proven that disruptive technology wins and it’s clear that it’s shaped our lives over time. In order to move forward, there is always a leap of faith required, but playing defense vs offense is a choice everyone needs to make for themselves.

  • @suarasemesta
    @suarasemesta Před 2 lety +80

    frank guistra starting this with high spirit knowingly michael saylor is "reckless" with his statement to go all in on bitcoin, in debate he realize that michael guy are so smart and outsmarted frank in every statement about bitcoin and gold. GOTTTT EMM!

  • @brybull2846
    @brybull2846 Před 3 lety +101

    You just got to the next level. The BEST debate of the year...Great job!

    • @warrio3176
      @warrio3176 Před 3 lety +2

      Yeap and Michael won

    • @robshell5367
      @robshell5367 Před 3 lety +7

      That was not a debate. That was a Dinosaur trying to hold his ground and protect the status quo. And being crushed trying to do it. Also, personal attacks are not a component of a good debate.

    • @josephdecrescenzo5001
      @josephdecrescenzo5001 Před 3 lety +2

      BITCOIN FOR KIDS
      GOLD FOR ADULTS

    • @brybull2846
      @brybull2846 Před 3 lety +2

      @@josephdecrescenzo5001 that literally made me bust out laughing...hahaha....I own both, and silver....and I sleep well at night

  • @deepfriedcherrypie5366
    @deepfriedcherrypie5366 Před 3 lety +95

    Frank - “Governments will ban bitcoin”
    Governments - “Here is a bitcoin ETF”

    • @elliotm3600
      @elliotm3600 Před 3 lety +10

      The US must be the creators of bitcoin

    • @akkiokz619
      @akkiokz619 Před 3 lety +2

      As long as bitcoin is not banned in all countries around the world, government wont be able to stop it so its better to accept and regulate than being a dictator

    • @John-wf5if
      @John-wf5if Před 3 lety +3

      Frank talking gleefully about Bitcoin being banned was a little chilling. You could tell he wants it to happen.

    • @jeanrichardvarre6062
      @jeanrichardvarre6062 Před 3 lety +6

      @@John-wf5if Don't be so prejudiced. Frank was just telling the Truth.
      Gov'ts have the Power to Tax Bitcoin till it no longer threatens Fiat dominance. Spain has 'requested' all Fiscal Residents to provide them with a verified record of every Transaction from 2016-2020. That's just the tip of the Iceberg.

    • @jeanrichardvarre6062
      @jeanrichardvarre6062 Před 3 lety +4

      @@akkiokz619 TAX ! Bitcoin will be Taxed upon Purchase & Sale. After this the Capital Gains Tax will have to be paid.

  • @EmersonFranklin65
    @EmersonFranklin65 Před 2 lety +58

    Given that we all can not always own one of these, the greatest question now remains; Besides these two, is there even any other 1nflation resistant way of getting and storing cash?

    • @chriswilliams2061
      @chriswilliams2061 Před 2 lety +2

      @@the_jean_mum Now you have my attention sir!! Who's the knight in shinning armour

    • @trishawallor
      @trishawallor Před 2 lety

      @@the_jean_mum Wow I know this little lady. Once listened to her podcast. Great speaker.

    • @riverponicsgrowingsystems7450
      @riverponicsgrowingsystems7450 Před 2 lety +1

      I pose a question. What is the biggest vault in the world and what am I trying to relay to you folks ? Secondly, what is the definition of ESG and how does this impact this conversation ?

    • @cellerism
      @cellerism Před 2 lety +2

      No, if you can't get bitcoin you can only get cash and it will always inflated because we will always have incompetent people running this country.

    • @Pivotification
      @Pivotification Před 2 lety

      You can't get rid of inflation itself, but I think you can manage it. Especially if you got some smart economics and algorithms. For example decreasing supply when price is low to increase price and vice versa. I don't know much about economics but this is what some crypto's are trying to do with bonding curves etc(?) Try looking into the Terra (LUNA coin) ecosystem and it's underlying tech or Sora, another project trying to create a stable coin.

  • @Shadowjedi007
    @Shadowjedi007 Před 3 lety +84

    Thanks to Frank and Michael for doing this, and for Stansberry for hosting!

    • @Indiana_Paul
      @Indiana_Paul Před 3 lety

      Bitcoin fluctuates wildly and seems over-valued very quickly, so many people are skeptical of that.

    • @jasonoliveras4928
      @jasonoliveras4928 Před 3 lety +1

      Change is coming through your shadow, Its a tool song to help the Fibonacci Bitcoin Scripted Algorithm Sequence to Lareal-us foward! Spiral Out!

    • @judymckee5992
      @judymckee5992 Před 3 lety +1

      @@Indiana_Paul ,I sold at 54k about 6 weeks ago . It is too speculative and people do not NEED it, right now as the govt will come in and regulate it. I bought this stock NLST ( above 100%, now and the bitcoin will have to be 108k to double ), and MMEX. At least these are stocks that I don't have the fear of regulation and I bought at 75 cents on one and the other .0017. Less risk buying low.

  • @kurgin
    @kurgin Před 3 lety +125

    I love a debate when the parties are civil and respectful! Especially when they don't agree. Imagine if Daniela moderated a presidential debate LOL

    • @erfansvideos
      @erfansvideos Před 3 lety +17

      These are humans. Politicians and presidents are snakes.

    • @MrDrinver
      @MrDrinver Před 3 lety +1

      Yeah also check out Antony Pompliano's debate with Mike Green

    • @donniedarko7114
      @donniedarko7114 Před 3 lety +3

      Billionaires, civility comes with the pedigree.

    • @phillhuddleston9445
      @phillhuddleston9445 Před 3 lety +4

      You would have to have civil politicians which will never happen.

    • @shgfe3ay
      @shgfe3ay Před 3 lety +3

      Plus Daniela is an Angel

  • @javedk2269
    @javedk2269 Před 3 lety +136

    Big fan of Stansberry Research...great job Daniela, Frank & Michael. Much appreciated!!!

    • @soapbxprod
      @soapbxprod Před 3 lety

      Viva Stansberry- objective information!

  • @CryptedHash
    @CryptedHash Před 2 lety +5

    Such a great debate. I keep going back to it. The key outtake for me is that we shouldn’t be thinking Bitcoin vs gold, but rather Bitcoin + gold

    • @dabbbles
      @dabbbles Před 2 lety

      There are all sorts of wanker's fantasies. Mine are more realistically USEFUL than either gold OR craptos. Jane Fonda! (sigh)

  • @bryguenther
    @bryguenther Před 3 lety +147

    I can't wait to see how these two positions play out in reality. I'd love to revisit this debate in 10 years. Nice job

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    • @elvisfrog2171
      @elvisfrog2171 Před 3 lety +1

      I'll save you the time. Bitcon: see footnote.

    • @fjskfjdkdksofk
      @fjskfjdkdksofk Před 3 lety

      im on board of this journey too! from s.korea

    • @jtc6275
      @jtc6275 Před 3 lety +3

      Cardano will steamroll them both.

    • @christophm7203
      @christophm7203 Před 3 lety +1

      @@jtc6275 at least temporarily, cardano got steamrolled by doge 🤣

  • @darthhulka-burger3187
    @darthhulka-burger3187 Před 3 lety +94

    Michael Saylor makes such a strong, compelling & optimistic view of humanity. Giustra illustrated the epitome of negativity and fear. That guy was obviously hostile because deep down, he sees the writing on the wall...and time again, Giustra's view of the world shows what is wrong with humans.
    Saylor didn't have to attack or go negative because he's much more confident about his purpose & Crypto's purpose.

    • @josephowner7401
      @josephowner7401 Před 3 lety +3

      Took the text right off of my thumbs 👍👍💯

    • @tz6516
      @tz6516 Před 3 lety +2

      Maybe they are both wrong...neither of these asset held their value during the COVID-19 Dow sell off.

    • @Kannot2023
      @Kannot2023 Před 3 lety +7

      Giustra is the experience, gold passed past wars for millenia, bitcoin is just 12 yr old

    • @AmericanBulldogFit
      @AmericanBulldogFit Před 3 lety +5

      You mean a sunshine and rainbows millennial fairytale vs. reality?

    • @cultraclub
      @cultraclub Před 3 lety +1

      And also cos he hold a big bag of bitcoins he needs to increase in value or investors in his fund will pull their money out and his fund will be forcibly closed.

  • @TheMJsisters
    @TheMJsisters Před 3 lety +66

    Haha!! Franky boy just made a brilliant case for bitcoin by reminding us that the price of gold is manipulated by our dear governments!! Gotta love him for that!!

  • @lukeayling564
    @lukeayling564 Před 2 lety +18

    Saylor was a machine in this debate. Giustra comes across as defensive and found most of his arguments just involved belittling Saylor

  • @meganskyephoenix2503
    @meganskyephoenix2503 Před 3 lety +58

    Michael provided a well thought out presentation backed up by facts and figures, and Frank's refutation was to basically call him unsophisticated (stupid,) crazy, and living in a fantasy world. Absolutely cringe worthy! Thanks Daniella for holding it all together!

    • @b_bullish6700
      @b_bullish6700 Před 3 lety +2

      Totally agree! Now I don’t want to make this personal.... To late Frank it’s all you have done.

    • @vmfan96
      @vmfan96 Před 3 lety +1

      I agree Megan. Frank basically admitted defeat as he had no solid facts to back himself up.

  • @Visslaren_
    @Visslaren_ Před 3 lety +106

    From now on, we will refer to Michael Saylor as Michael SLAYER!

    • @Geeza-rc9kz
      @Geeza-rc9kz Před 3 lety +3

      Michael savior

    • @kangacrew540
      @kangacrew540 Před 3 lety +2

      Frank is trying to impress a generation thats not interested. Instead he's holding onto what him and his old cronies rest there laurels on. Gold and silver is so manipulated and governments/banks own most of it. Of course they won't let bitcoin compromise there asset. For now.

    • @kangacrew540
      @kangacrew540 Před 3 lety +2

      Saylor destroyed this debate. Only lost on the risk but Bitcoin is a baby and volatile and public acceptance isn't fully accepted or understood. Time will tell. Returns on Gold last 20 years have been dismal.

    • @usewhatyouhave6975
      @usewhatyouhave6975 Před 3 lety +3

      Franks Right in the Money. “Why are you telling people to lever their houses, car businesses against bitcoin, these people are going to get wiped out”

    • @lukeizze
      @lukeizze Před 3 lety +2

      @Ralph Hammond What arguments were stronger? I would be interested to know, he seemed to very much be taking a lot of the arguments more personally than Saylor, Michael doesn't understand this, Michael has misquoted that... Ultimately the proof is in the pudding, look at relevant metrics about bitcoin, and then look at the relevant metrics around gold. Bitcoin is cannibalising gold currently as a store of value, and Micheal won this by a country mile tbf.

  • @SHADYMCGRAVYSGAMINGCHANNEL
    @SHADYMCGRAVYSGAMINGCHANNEL Před 3 lety +34

    "This was great!" Now, I have a better understanding of Gold and Bitcoin.Thank You for making us smarter investors.

    • @SuperSte32
      @SuperSte32 Před 3 lety

      Which do you prefer? I’m on the side of gold. Physical and gold mining stocks.

    • @SHADYMCGRAVYSGAMINGCHANNEL
      @SHADYMCGRAVYSGAMINGCHANNEL Před 3 lety

      @@SuperSte32" Frankie baby!! All day everyday..even your birthday!" He motivated me to research gold mining stocks and to start saving for my first gold purchase.I understand Bitcoin..I hate dealing with middleman also but, imaginary currency is not for me. When dealing with imaginary things it's hard to see the reality of anything.Frank understands reality.. Great job Frank!

    • @SuperSte32
      @SuperSte32 Před 3 lety

      @@SHADYMCGRAVYSGAMINGCHANNEL - I can feel you excitement mate.

    • @shadetree6981
      @shadetree6981 Před 3 lety

      Frank is stuck in 2010 pure and simple.

    • @flameooe
      @flameooe Před 2 lety

      Bitcoin is the superior asset. Look at it on a log chart. It’s actually right on track for 100k this year

  • @penny459
    @penny459 Před 2 lety +12

    A really excellent debate. Very informative and instructional. Glad they both gave their time to do this debate. It can only benefit peoples understanding. Thank you.

  • @lawy3077
    @lawy3077 Před 3 lety +56

    Thanks Daniella! This is how a debate should be done.

    • @lawy3077
      @lawy3077 Před 3 lety

      @@stansberryresearch1572 booo

  • @TonyChester
    @TonyChester Před 3 lety +76

    Frank says Bit has no history of being tested in a financial crisis...Guess what, during recent hyperinflation in Venezuela and Brazil -- they chose Bitcoin.

    • @ricoau_ag_stackz2419
      @ricoau_ag_stackz2419 Před 3 lety +5

      Exceot those examples are NOT financial crisis. Those are social political breakdowns of society. When a society's social and political structures breakdown so does the financial system. Totally different from a financial crisis like 2008.

    • @TonyChester
      @TonyChester Před 3 lety +4

      @@ricoau_ag_stackz2419 Their money collapsed. They flocked to Bitcoin. That is all.

    • @jamarmays8667
      @jamarmays8667 Před 3 lety +2

      Why do the political and social implications make the underlying financial crisis any different when it comes to the stress test of Bitcoin ?

    • @ricoau_ag_stackz2419
      @ricoau_ag_stackz2419 Před 3 lety +4

      @@TonyChester Also flocked to Gold 🤷‍♂️
      The examples you used did NOT test botcoin at all. Thats the matter of our discussion. And its a matter of fact 🤷‍♂️

    • @ricoau_ag_stackz2419
      @ricoau_ag_stackz2419 Před 3 lety +2

      @@jamarmays8667 It makes it different because in a scenarios like he tried to use the people are trying to flee the currency of their State. That scenario does not test safe haven assets like Gold and supposed safe haven assets like bitcoin.
      In a true financial crisis even safe haven assets get tested, meaning they get pressured to the downside. BUT, unlike the stock market and other risk on investments, Gold and other safe haven assets will reverse from the downside and appreciate in price quickly because investors flee risk-on investments, like stocks, and go into safe haven assets like gold.

  • @currencywithdaveunderwood4133

    Buying gold and silver as the store of value, speculating on cryptos and enjoying the returns.

    • @cletusmorraies7564
      @cletusmorraies7564 Před 3 lety

      You're spot on in your views.

    • @martinlutherkingjr.5582
      @martinlutherkingjr.5582 Před 3 lety

      Buying Bitcoin to HODL and speculating on gold. Silver is crap.

    • @otwhore10ea
      @otwhore10ea Před 3 lety

      It's all about pump and dump until "they" come up with their own cryptography. What a brilliant idea to screw everone.

  • @gmichinok
    @gmichinok Před 2 lety +6

    They are both a different animal! But for now I’ll take gold before Bitcoin. I’ll wait until Bitcoin hits 12,000 before I guy in again. 👍🏼

  • @crsnow6158
    @crsnow6158 Před 3 lety +75

    It is funny that Frank uses emotion and Michael uses facts but Frank calls Michael idolistic

    • @JohnnyAfghanseed
      @JohnnyAfghanseed Před 3 lety +5

      There is such a thing as emotional intelligence, Frank is probably trying to look out for the folks who might be negatively impacted by people like MIchael claiming you should borrow money against everything and buy an already overbought asset.

    • @GeneralAlex4
      @GeneralAlex4 Před 3 lety +6

      Frank is realistic !!

    • @onofitusix6040
      @onofitusix6040 Před 3 lety +5

      After watching this it just ensures me that I need to buy more bitcoin lol

    • @toms8483
      @toms8483 Před 3 lety +1

      I agree with Frank but I didnt like his approach, trying to insult Michael's intelligence in a few instances.

    • @whitehh15
      @whitehh15 Před 3 lety +3

      @@toms8483 Exactly, he tries to denounce Saylors understanding of topics repeatedly. He's trying to discredit Saylor as much as he is trying to discredit Bitcoin. Saylor not playing into this game is perfect.

  • @joeschebler6236
    @joeschebler6236 Před 3 lety +100

    This was lengthy but worth it, Michael weathered some personal attacks and did a great job in staying neutrally on track, thanks to the three of you this was enjoyable.

  • @Benji-mz9ll
    @Benji-mz9ll Před 3 lety +78

    I'm even more bullish on bitcoin after this debate, especially the ending. Frank says that if there is a major correction, he has money on the side waiting for this. I don't think we understand how much money is on the side for the next dip yet. If it ever happens, the recovery will be even bigger than anything we ever seen.

    • @504_HotBoy
      @504_HotBoy Před 3 lety +4

      Yes, he's willing to buy as a speculative bet, not as a store of value, which is what Saylor is claiming bitcoin to be.

    • @Benji-mz9ll
      @Benji-mz9ll Před 3 lety +2

      @@504_HotBoy no matter how they define it, it does not matter. They want in

    • @streetcrypto1218
      @streetcrypto1218 Před 3 lety +3

      We are in the dip. Just watch 7-10 days from now.

    • @jasonsellers56
      @jasonsellers56 Před 3 lety +1

      What if Bitcoin's next major correction is from 100K to 70k? What if it happens while Frank is asleep, and by the time he wakes up, it's already back at 85k? And, if something like that does happen, how would Frank know that it wouldn't just keep falling after he buys some?
      If he knew what he was talking about, he'd know that the best time to buy Bitcoin was 2011, the second best time is now, and the absolute *worst* time is while trying to anticipate "the next dip."

    • @fusion9619
      @fusion9619 Před 3 lety

      We're in the dip. It's right now.

  • @AngelusChampion2010
    @AngelusChampion2010 Před 2 lety +6

    Probably one of the best debates I have ever heard in my life thank you so much

  • @andreasgmur9618
    @andreasgmur9618 Před 3 lety +57

    Truly a historic debate that people 500 years down the road will be talking about, bravo to the three of you!

    • @downunda107
      @downunda107 Před 3 lety

      Great perspective AF ! Tge conversation continues. )

    • @residencestdidier16emlavie90
      @residencestdidier16emlavie90 Před 3 lety

      @@catseyes2334 why ppls who have bitcoin cant spend it ?

    • @jeanrichardvarre6062
      @jeanrichardvarre6062 Před 3 lety +1

      In 6 yrs it will all be forgotten. Michael must be having a fit now that the IRS is sniffing out unpaid TAX & deliberate Tax Evasion. Time's up on Bitcoin & other decentralised Cryptos.
      Make way for $Coin, €Coin,£Coin, ¥Coin.
      ChinaCoin is already in use !😅😆

  • @theagileleader5973
    @theagileleader5973 Před 3 lety +51

    I admired how Saylor got his points across without getting personal. Unlike guistra who seemed to have a chip on his shoulder, taking personal pops and using unnecessarily evocative language. For me Saylor won the debate … what do you think?

    • @tacerequerella1716
      @tacerequerella1716 Před 3 lety +4

      Saylor won the debate and I sell gold for a living. Just sayin'

    • @ryed8118
      @ryed8118 Před 3 lety +1

      Saylor. By far for me.

    • @johndavid8472
      @johndavid8472 Před 3 lety

      @@tacerequerella1716 + 1 ( 4 0 5) (4) (5 8 8) (3 3 1)

    • @Appolonius10
      @Appolonius10 Před 3 lety +2

      Saylor absolutely won the debate. He didn’t make it personal once, and he was articulate, on point, and quite emotive

  • @MrFooChops
    @MrFooChops Před 3 lety +60

    This is going to be the best debate of the FRIGGIN YEAR! SO so happy to be watching this. History in the making!

  • @ReDsOxFaN4LiFe1
    @ReDsOxFaN4LiFe1 Před 2 lety +6

    This debate is perfect. Shows both sides for who they really are.
    Nice quote there Frank where you said "central banks who 'manage' and monitor the value of gold is a necessary evil."
    You really get to know somebody based on their view of bitcoin. If they don't support it, it's always for self interest or they are misinformed. It really is that simple.

  • @adeleibesh
    @adeleibesh Před 3 lety +70

    Saylor is on fire! I loved every minute of this. Thank you.

    • @davidfield4432
      @davidfield4432 Před 3 lety

      And has laser eyes!!! 😂

    • @brian6x
      @brian6x Před 3 lety

      ...and Frank brought him down to earth.

    • @adeleibesh
      @adeleibesh Před 3 lety

      @@brian6x Don't get me wrong, I mean it's always good to view things from a different vantage point and I like Frank and but he wasn't on the same level with Saylor.

  • @petergbrics7260
    @petergbrics7260 Před 3 lety +38

    This was the most intelligent debate with the nicest most professional moderator I have ever seen.Main streem tv is 💩...
    This IS what people want to watch.Outstanding.Thanks

  • @VENTOMUSIK
    @VENTOMUSIK Před 3 lety +138

    The most interesting thing is how Frank attacks his opponent with machiavellian preconceptions about his integrity while Michael just ignores all of them.

    • @galaxygalaxy4429
      @galaxygalaxy4429 Před 3 lety +2

      Like they do on the Muppet Show.

    • @marktube5732
      @marktube5732 Před 3 lety +7

      Michael is just brilliant.

    • @ReneAguilar1
      @ReneAguilar1 Před 3 lety +2

      I agree 👍 for Michael.

    • @SuperSte32
      @SuperSte32 Před 3 lety +1

      Frank kicked his arse. Gold is true store of value. Bitcoin will simply not exist one day. Notice why the Bitcoin logo is gold in colour to create the perception that Bitcoin has the good traits that gold has. Gold and other precious metals last forever.

    • @dond3900
      @dond3900 Před 3 lety +2

      @@SuperSte32 🤣🤣🤣

  • @damiangrouse4564
    @damiangrouse4564 Před rokem +9

    As a guy that can’t play the gold or Bitcoin speculative accumulation game I can still understand that a gold nugget will still be under your mattress when the lights go out.

    • @domman1077
      @domman1077 Před 7 měsíci +4

      If the lights go out the only things that will be valuable are food water and guns

    • @XantinwoX
      @XantinwoX Před 7 měsíci

      @@domman1077that’s a lie because you can’t afford gold .

    • @afonsomendes6907
      @afonsomendes6907 Před měsícem

      if the lights go out everywhere in the world at once, youre gonna have much bigger problems 😂

    • @damiangrouse4564
      @damiangrouse4564 Před měsícem

      @@XantinwoX Huh?

    • @damiangrouse4564
      @damiangrouse4564 Před měsícem

      @@afonsomendes6907
      There’s no doubt of that but tangible objects will still be more valuable than “vapor wear”. Bitcoin is a first world luxury item. That’s the beauty of capitalism and leisure time…people have time for thinking up “stuff”.

  • @crvdutch1536
    @crvdutch1536 Před 3 lety +34

    My god Daniella where were you when the Federal candidates during the Canadian federal election had their debate. You have done an excellent job in moderating . You make the Canadian press look like the amateurs that they really are! Well done Daniella. Bravo.

    • @dowskivisionmagicaloracle8593
      @dowskivisionmagicaloracle8593 Před 3 lety +1

      Canada can't afford Daniella, that's why they had to settle for the sh!tcoin of people: Kevin O'Leary.

    • @jamancity5564
      @jamancity5564 Před 3 lety +1

      This was much more serious than I had anticipated but very interesting none the less. Michael talks a good talk but I'm with Frank on this one. Gold is real, bitcoin is imaginary, just like the perceived value of the paper currency from which the governments steal your money through inflation ! Bitcoin is a speculation not an asset, Michael is obviously a very rich and clever businessman but it doesn't mean he can't be wrong on bitcoin! Don't bet more than you can afford to lose ! 😉

  • @fergman300
    @fergman300 Před 3 lety +30

    After watching this debate...I'm selling my Gold.......and buying more Bitcoin.

  • @benstr8156
    @benstr8156 Před 3 lety +162

    Michael wins it with this question "If you're only going to invest 10% of your portfolio in gold, what are going to invest your other 90% into?"

    • @elvisfrog2171
      @elvisfrog2171 Před 3 lety +11

      Does the toilet count? About the same odds as w/bitcon.

    • @mneedes2
      @mneedes2 Před 3 lety +12

      Silver, guns, bullets and real estate. Not bitcoin.

    • @angeredjudge
      @angeredjudge Před 3 lety +2

      Real estates stocks etc

    • @SMarie5541
      @SMarie5541 Před 3 lety +12

      @@angeredjudge have fun buying real estate in this market....

    • @angeredjudge
      @angeredjudge Před 3 lety +1

      @@SMarie5541 will do

  • @gya251
    @gya251 Před 2 lety +3

    Hello, I'm new to Biticon trade and I've been making losses but recently I see a lot of people earning from it. Please can someone tell me what I'm doing wrong

    • @eugeniavoinea4191
      @eugeniavoinea4191 Před 2 lety

      Please someone should help me here.... I lost $7500 on live trade. I thought live trade is the same as demo trade because I was winning with my demo trade account. Please this is quit frustrating. what should I do?

  • @cheslick_detroit9147
    @cheslick_detroit9147 Před 3 lety +69

    How Daniela is not a tv star is beyond me 🤔 perfectly done

    • @drackotheguitarist
      @drackotheguitarist Před 3 lety +14

      Why would she want to be a tv star that’s so 1990s. Tv wishes they were CZcams stars

    • @jessedavis7461
      @jessedavis7461 Před 3 lety +12

      What is TV? 😆

    • @100Jim
      @100Jim Před 3 lety +2

      @@drackotheguitarist So true you can't be your self on main stream TV

    • @100Jim
      @100Jim Před 3 lety +2

      @@jessedavis7461 😂🙏✌️

    • @will1964
      @will1964 Před 3 lety +8

      Please don't ever let that talent get infected by TV. Just look at the Talking heads on CNBC not an individual thought between them.

  • @robertrishworth6379
    @robertrishworth6379 Před 3 lety +54

    This makes me love CZcams even more. Where on TV can I watch a debate between my two favorite things...gold & Bitcoin. Well done CZcams in my opinion CZcams is worth more than gold and Bitcoin combined

    • @soapbxprod
      @soapbxprod Před 3 lety +5

      As long as you talk about things that the YT idiots don't think will disturb the political power, they're fine with you. Democracy is evil...

    • @ggrthemostgodless8713
      @ggrthemostgodless8713 Před 3 lety +7

      YOuTube?? mmmm... that's like thanking the school BUILDING for all the learning happening there...

    • @sampsonpowerfully7822
      @sampsonpowerfully7822 Před 3 lety +1

      It might be interesting to have Dave Ramsey in this debate. He hates bitcoin and gold.

  • @mannypatel6202
    @mannypatel6202 Před 3 lety +41

    Michael knows his subject so well, speaks from the heart, no need for notes. Because of total belief. Frank you're out paced man.

    • @jamesplozza2258
      @jamesplozza2258 Před 3 lety +2

      I agree. Saylor is great - but he’s glancing toward notes basically the whole time.

    • @mannypatel6202
      @mannypatel6202 Před 3 lety +2

      @@jamesplozza2258 I noticed that too, but he was smooth. And knows his subject matter well. Cheers mate.

    • @rev.jimjonesandthekool-aid4488
      @rev.jimjonesandthekool-aid4488 Před 3 lety

      Hes reading notes obviously

    • @garyharkinson5466
      @garyharkinson5466 Před 3 lety

      The central banks have made an ongoing attempt to discredit gold. Selling it with a paper promise of 62000 times the actual existence of physical gold should be the first clue. The real battle is WHO will be able to control the wealth of ALL currencies.

    • @R1biker
      @R1biker Před 3 lety +1

      True man give it to him raw with out the oil saylor tore him a new one

  • @SebastianLecona
    @SebastianLecona Před 2 lety +7

    Interesting debate. In my opinion, Michael makes clear points that address the actual concerns of the debate while Frank attacks Michael directly.
    Bitcoin wins.
    Frank, please answer the questions at hand next time xD