We as teenagers girls in 1972 have been taught to search for romantic love. In every films we saw , in littérature, in conversations , it was all about happiness through meeting someone. We were young and had no clue how desappointed some of us would be, no man on this earth is able to make a woman happy, it took me ages before understand this truth, even when I became a christian.
Well, You Say that, but The Truth is, if it's love, and theres respect, then it's ok. Are You currently happy with matters of The Heart? I'm 31 by The way, Jonathan.
If You have a good Heart, and if You have butterflies in your stomach For me, and if I can make You smile when i walk in The room, I would cherish that.. No man on earth is able to make You happy in a relationship. Except one, All The rest are just jokes.
The inappropriate desire for the romantic love of another human being can be destructive idol. I have seen men and women so desperate especially Christians. When we make Jesus our Rock, then through the Holy Spirit we can learn to love. This is a battle that must be fought everyday for single Christians struggling. Good points and well appreciated.
No because marriage is an honorable covenant. The couple should try to fast and pray to be set free from idolatry that they believe is in their relationship
There's not gonna be enough fasting and prayer to make your relationship "right". Romantic feelings are normal and natural. God gave it to you, whether you like it or not. Also, anyone who has been married more than a few years or so can tell you that it is a work in progress. Christianity tends to present a very shallow and distorted view of romantic relationships. ie, you pray all the right prayers, do everything your pastor says, and boom - you're all set. Well, it doesn't work like that. It's a lifelong process. Sometimes happy, sometimes painful. Sometimes a lot of both. It takes maturity to see it through. You get that by living out, not by reading your Bible all day.
What a wise answer. Just before this episode I listened to the one where He asks is it love if I don’t feel it? (Simply doing it as a sense of duty). When I come to this podcast, as I do at my home church, and it’s someone other than who I’m used to (Pastor John), there is a tendency to expect a less powerful answer to the question. In light of the episode I just watched before, as I listen to someone other than I’m not used to, I repent for that feeling and pray to God that He would open my heart and that I would focus on Him and not the speaker himself. And I expect, (because I prayed in an earnest desire and believing faith for His will), that my heart will be changed before the podcast or sermon ends, and it always does. What a powerful message, praise God. Thank you pastor.
Modern marriage put romance in the first place and most partner are curious to explore it. But we have to know that our body is a limited and fallible body and cannot provide all the sensual needs. I believe following Bible will be the best marriage ways.
I bind to hell every preoccupation of romantic love in my life, the lives of my family, friends, colleagues, neighbours, acquintances, opponents and the body of Christ, while I loosen myself of every unequal yoke and common share with those who are preoccupatied with romantic love, in accordance with this word and isaiah 43:11, 2 corinthians 6:14-18 in the name and blood of Jesus Christ, amen and hallelujah!
Oh AMEN, my relationship was totally an idol, and the holy spirit convicted me of it! I stopped having sex with her and knew i needed to leave and turn from it, and it was very difficult and i realized just how attatched i was to who i wanted someone to be to me..
While I know passions alone don't make good marriages. And also love is much more than emotions; it is a commitment. Risking sounding rude, I just can't agree nor accept Paul's answer to the question. It seems like Paul is taking emotions n passions out of marriage. But God is the one who created us with emotions. Why even bother to marry when there is no romantic love at all? I look forward to having Pastor John back.
Cause feelings change. Romance is just a small thing. When searching for a spouse you look for fruits of The Holy Ghost. That involves little or no romance, but great Godly discernment and Godly wisdom. Romance is the result of when you come together
@@tomkingg, if there's a total absence of romantic love (Eros), why bother to even marry? I don't want my husband to tell he loves me ONLY because of my "godliness". Brotherly love (phileo) for godly people has to be different from romantic love...sorry, I guess we just can't concur on this, but you are free to hold fast to your opinion, n I to mine. God bless
@@Fong68 I said that romance becomes an effect if you start with agape(selfless Godly love). Attraction comes in waves but Godly love remains. There will be times your spouse won't feel attracted to you but love is deeper than that
Marriage is not for ourselves. It is a ministry to obey God's command to Adam and Eve to multiply and produce godly children. It is not for worldly selfish pleasures but for serving God together, illustrating how Christ loves the Church. Not how much we feel loved/in love. Jesus commands us to love because it doesn't depend on flaky emotions but a conscious decision to be with the person God chose for you.
I think there were really good points here. I think society really likes to make your partner like your God. Wlthough i do think that person does have the ability (only given by God) to give you a sense of support or contentment because we are humans and we have feelings. Althkugh i think people fall into the trap into finding all their contentmnet in their spouse instead of searching for it in Christ
Rev. John! Will you discuss, the Biblical claim in Isaiah of, 'Your Maker is your Husband". In the big picture or macro scope ,as regard Christian salvation?
The answer seemed out of touch with reality, our biology and impossibly idealistic at first, his comment about what one meditates on affecting our desires is the most intriguing to me.
I agree with you! Are these two expecting us to consider a marriage that is mechanical? How would you feel if you your spouse tells you " i love you" with a bland facial expression? If these two are married then they're out of touch. If that were to be then might as well go for arranged marriage
Whoow boss! Calling you out on this one, where at 3:55 onward, your "assumtion," being delivered to us as though were scriptural fact, that is, that no one has the capacity to love until they go to the foot of the cross, at the cross where grace and faith is first measured out unto us by God, again, by his love, in whose image we are made, [assumtion] is clearly a flawed hypothesis and lacking in some well known info. At the foot of the cross is the conception of a love and most valued relationship, but not the conception of the capacity itself. As Paul taught that we did not know sin until the law came, likewise, the only thing of love we know is emotion being poured into buckets with holes in them, and some with no bottoms, just exhausting the finite capabile capacity, like it was a shadow fading away, being engulfed by the darkness of night. Trying to fill the void and believing in the emotion alone, without understanding why it wanes so easily from our presents. When the Cornerstone of righteousness, peace and "true joy" establishes within us, the knowledge of where to aim at the mark, we begin to see what the power of love can do. Some chose love & evol others. Some chose the righteousness of Christ Jesus and others their own, to their perishing. Stop. There is no in between. God is love and God is a spirit of sovereign authority that cares and judges how the power of love is used to fill our void. He, being the blessed source of all things, built into us the capacity to love from the beginning. Its up to us, individually, to pour into the right bowl, first and always. If this is wrong thinking then I will accept God correcting me and listen to reason.
This is interesting. There certainly are people who love and have loved, whether it be wives and/or other relationships, with a geniune, unfeigned love. I don't doubt that. However the love of God being shed abroad in our hearts, that divine love, once we know that love, only then can we love with a superior love than that of the world.
Romanticized charade of sentimentalism is the illusion of love/ The love is not real/ It's about being happily dead in sin/ Ego controls your thoughts and emotions/
Hmm, interesting. Let us not seek refuge in a sinful man or woman; rather let your refuge be in the sinless Son of God, who gave his life for the world on the cross of Calvary. A'-men.
"Romantic Love Is a Wonderful Gift - and a Terrible God" Hmmm kind Sirs...(Sorry for the extremely long "comment". But I do believe it NEEDS to be espoused). So... I have a question! And I mean NO disrespect kind Sirs. But, what does those, who were married; hundreds of years before Jesus was on the cross; exude a "Capacity of Love. Because, in essence, you are saying that those persons; could never have had a "Capacity to Love"; since you espoused that "Capacity to Love" can only begin at "the bottom of the cross!". Again, NO disrespect, but that confuses me; because it makes Jesus (Who IS God) a "discriminator". And I can't believe that at all. Because Peter said in...Acts 10:34 Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons. And Paul said in... Romans 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God. For the third time, I mean NO disrespect atoll; I believe you are incorrect in your thesis', kind Sirs. I could be wrong... For your belief, reminds me of the "Victorian era"; where that staunch, mean Queen; deemed intimacy was ONLY for "Pro-Creation". And it should have NO romance; of any kind in marriage between Husband and Wife. HOGWASH I say to her. Yet millions of people (mostly women) became zero "cold" in intimacy; from marriage to death. Oh yes and very sad! Not to mention the RCC's "espousal"; that intimacy in marriage has ONLY one purpose. And that is to have children. And NO other reason. Which that helped spawn the laws; that Priests and Nuns were NEVER to have intimacy atoll. And so and so on. "For if not, it IS a terrible sin". And if any intimacy was romantic; it was also a terrible sin. HOGWASH I say to them. I will end this to say: Jesus created the "Institution" of marriage between man and his wife; AND Jesus also created romance too; for it is not a sin, unless its perverted; or out of marriage. Because; the more romance in intimacy; between a man and his wife; causes their brains to release "endorphins"; that gives BOTH of them "Euphoria"; that quells arguments; and many other problems in marriage. And for her, it can last for almost a week. Believe it or not. Praise Jesus' Holy Name. Could I be wrong? ABSOLUTELY YES!. But all others could be wrong too... ...In any case kind Sir, Please Pray OFTEN and Praise Jesus OFTEN; for He is the ONLY true "God Almighty"; there will ever have been. And may Jesus bless you and yours always. AMEN!
I disagree! I dont want a mechanical marriage either; would you expect me to tell my wife " i love you!" With a bland facial expression? I understand that a person should never be center of our attention. Sorry but i cant have a mechanical marriage. If younare married then count me out as one who will come to you for advise.
This is really and negative, about relationships, your support to put God and the center of your relationship, not say how absolutely worth shit your partner is in the relationship..
What a wise answer. Just before this episode I listened to the one where He asks is it love if I don’t feel it? (Simply doing it as a sense of duty). When I come to this podcast, as I do at my home church, and it’s someone other than who I’m used to (Pastor John), there is a tendency to expect a less powerful answer to the question. In light of the episode I just watched before, as I listen to someone other than I’m not used to, I repent for that feeling and pray to God that He would open my heart and that I would focus on Him and not the speaker himself. And I expect, (because I prayed in an earnest desire and believing faith for His will), that my heart will be changed before the podcast or sermon ends, and it always does. What a powerful message, praise God. Thank you pastor.
We as teenagers girls in 1972 have been taught to search for romantic love. In every films we saw , in littérature, in conversations , it was all about happiness through meeting someone. We were young and had no clue how desappointed some of us would be, no man on this earth is able to make a woman happy, it took me ages before understand this truth, even when I became a christian.
Well. Im looking to fall in love. Why not You and me?
@@prico3358 because of my age, I could be your mother 🤣
Well, You Say that, but The Truth is, if it's love, and theres respect, then it's ok.
Are You currently happy with matters of The Heart?
I'm 31 by The way, Jonathan.
@@prico3358 don't desperate. Ask the Lord to show you a nice Christian girl of your age. That's what I say to my son who is 24.
If You have a good Heart, and if You have butterflies in your stomach For me, and if I can make You smile when i walk in The room, I would cherish that..
No man on earth is able to make You happy in a relationship. Except one, All The rest are just jokes.
may we find satisfaction and contentment in you Lord
The inappropriate desire for the romantic love of another human being can be destructive idol.
I have seen men and women so desperate especially Christians. When we make Jesus our Rock, then through the Holy Spirit we can learn to love. This is a battle that must be fought everyday for single Christians struggling.
Good points and well appreciated.
fightwithbiomechanix what to do if romantic love is already idolatry, will the couple need to break up (divorse)?
No because marriage is an honorable covenant. The couple should try to fast and pray to be set free from idolatry that they believe is in their relationship
There's not gonna be enough fasting and prayer to make your relationship "right". Romantic feelings are normal and natural. God gave it to you, whether you like it or not.
Also, anyone who has been married more than a few years or so can tell you that it is a work in progress.
Christianity tends to present a very shallow and distorted view of romantic relationships. ie, you pray all the right prayers, do everything your pastor says, and boom - you're all set. Well, it doesn't work like that. It's a lifelong process. Sometimes happy, sometimes painful. Sometimes a lot of both. It takes maturity to see it through. You get that by living out, not by reading your Bible all day.
We have been given a "sufficient and an adequate Messiah". Looooove that ❤
What a wise answer. Just before this episode I listened to the one where He asks is it love if I don’t feel it? (Simply doing it as a sense of duty). When I come to this podcast, as I do at my home church, and it’s someone other than who I’m used to (Pastor John), there is a tendency to expect a less powerful answer to the question. In light of the episode I just watched before, as I listen to someone other than I’m not used to, I repent for that feeling and pray to God that He would open my heart and that I would focus on Him and not the speaker himself. And I expect, (because I prayed in an earnest desire and believing faith for His will), that my heart will be changed before the podcast or sermon ends, and it always does.
What a powerful message, praise God. Thank you pastor.
Idk if that feeling is necessarily a sin however... Nonetheless blessings.
Modern marriage put romance in the first place and most partner are curious to explore it. But we have to know that our body is a limited and fallible body and cannot provide all the sensual needs. I believe following Bible will be the best marriage ways.
God bless for this wise and true avdise🙏 it helped me a lot. Nothing but God can fill the void in us.
I am an INFP person who also wishes a romantic relationship. Maybe, I have too high expectations yet.
Your channel is great, I learn a lot. ❤
This was beyond helpful...THANK YOU!!!
Excellent. Thank you.
I bind to hell every preoccupation of romantic love in my life, the lives of my family, friends, colleagues, neighbours, acquintances, opponents and the body of Christ, while I loosen myself of every unequal yoke and common share with those who are preoccupatied with romantic love, in accordance with this word and isaiah 43:11, 2 corinthians 6:14-18 in the name and blood of Jesus Christ, amen and hallelujah!
So helpful. Amen. Thank you
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This is blessing 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
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Deepest and harmonious truth 🔥🔥🔥🔥🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌
i've read that book! It's good! :) "Awe"
Waouh this is awesome !!!!
Amazingly good
Very true!
Wow.
GOD IS LOVE HUMAN LOVE COMES FROM HIM. WE CAN NOT FIND LOVE UNLESS WE LOVE HIM IF WE LOVE HIM WE CAN LOVE OTHERS. .
God is awesome, good 🙌🙏
Oh AMEN, my relationship was totally an idol, and the holy spirit convicted me of it! I stopped having sex with her and knew i needed to leave and turn from it, and it was very difficult and i realized just how attatched i was to who i wanted someone to be to me..
While I know passions alone don't make good marriages. And also love is much more than emotions; it is a commitment.
Risking sounding rude, I just can't agree nor accept Paul's answer to the question.
It seems like Paul is taking emotions n passions out of marriage. But God is the one who created us with emotions. Why even bother to marry when there is no romantic love at all?
I look forward to having Pastor John back.
Cause feelings change. Romance is just a small thing. When searching for a spouse you look for fruits of The Holy Ghost. That involves little or no romance, but great Godly discernment and Godly wisdom.
Romance is the result of when you come together
@@tomkingg, if there's a total absence of romantic love (Eros), why bother to even marry? I don't want my husband to tell he loves me ONLY because of my "godliness". Brotherly love (phileo) for godly people has to be different from romantic love...sorry, I guess we just can't concur on this, but you are free to hold fast to your opinion, n I to mine. God bless
@@Fong68 I said that romance becomes an effect if you start with agape(selfless Godly love). Attraction comes in waves but Godly love remains. There will be times your spouse won't feel attracted to you but love is deeper than that
Marriage is not for ourselves. It is a ministry to obey God's command to Adam and Eve to multiply and produce godly children. It is not for worldly selfish pleasures but for serving God together, illustrating how Christ loves the Church. Not how much we feel loved/in love. Jesus commands us to love because it doesn't depend on flaky emotions but a conscious decision to be with the person God chose for you.
I think there were really good points here. I think society really likes to make your partner like your God. Wlthough i do think that person does have the ability (only given by God) to give you a sense of support or contentment because we are humans and we have feelings. Althkugh i think people fall into the trap into finding all their contentmnet in their spouse instead of searching for it in Christ
Examine your meditation when you are overwhelmed by life in any way. If you meditate on God He alone will satisfy.
Rev. John! Will you discuss, the Biblical claim in Isaiah of, 'Your Maker is your Husband". In the big picture or macro scope ,as regard Christian salvation?
only if we are mentally well.
The answer seemed out of touch with reality, our biology and impossibly idealistic at first, his comment about what one meditates on affecting our desires is the most intriguing to me.
I agree with you! Are these two expecting us to consider a marriage that is mechanical? How would you feel if you your spouse tells you " i love you" with a bland facial expression? If these two are married then they're out of touch. If that were to be then might as well go for arranged marriage
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Where do you submit a question?
EXCELLENT!!!
Who was answering the question? It didn't sound like John Piper at all.
Dr. Paul David Tripp. He's a guest filling in for Pastor Piper.
Whoow boss! Calling you out on this one, where at 3:55 onward, your "assumtion," being delivered to us as though were scriptural fact, that is, that no one has the capacity to love until they go to the foot of the cross, at the cross where grace and faith is first measured out unto us by God, again, by his love, in whose image we are made, [assumtion] is clearly a flawed hypothesis and lacking in some well known info. At the foot of the cross is the conception of a love and most valued relationship, but not the conception of the capacity itself. As Paul taught that we did not know sin until the law came, likewise, the only thing of love we know is emotion being poured into buckets with holes in them, and some with no bottoms, just exhausting the finite capabile capacity, like it was a shadow fading away, being engulfed by the darkness of night. Trying to fill the void and believing in the emotion alone, without understanding why it wanes so easily from our presents. When the Cornerstone of righteousness, peace and "true joy" establishes within us, the knowledge of where to aim at the mark, we begin to see what the power of love can do. Some chose love & evol others. Some chose the righteousness of Christ Jesus and others their own, to their perishing. Stop. There is no in between. God is love and God is a spirit of sovereign authority that cares and judges how the power of love is used to fill our void. He, being the blessed source of all things, built into us the capacity to love from the beginning. Its up to us, individually, to pour into the right bowl, first and always. If this is wrong thinking then I will accept God correcting me and listen to reason.
This is interesting. There certainly are people who love and have loved, whether it be wives and/or other relationships, with a geniune, unfeigned love. I don't doubt that. However the love of God being shed abroad in our hearts, that divine love, once we know that love, only then can we love with a superior love than that of the world.
The video went silent at about the 4 min mark.
Romanticized charade of sentimentalism is the illusion of love/ The love is not real/ It's about being happily dead in sin/ Ego controls your thoughts and emotions/
🤔. Your spouse says- go buy your own Valentines Day present. Then mocks you. Is this romance or hate?
Valentine’s Day is a heathen holiday. Love is eternal. Valentines Day will pass after the day of judgement.
wow... I am not the messiah
This ain't Pastor John
Hmm, interesting. Let us not seek refuge in a sinful man or woman; rather let your refuge be in the sinless Son of God, who gave his life for the world on the cross of Calvary. A'-men.
Jesus paid the price for our sins so we wouldn’t have to! So trust in Jesus as Lord and Savior. Also repent so you don’t perish!
"Romantic Love Is a Wonderful Gift - and a Terrible God"
Hmmm kind Sirs...(Sorry for the extremely long "comment". But I do believe it NEEDS to be espoused). So...
I have a question! And I mean NO disrespect kind Sirs. But, what does those, who were married; hundreds of years before Jesus was on the cross; exude a "Capacity of Love. Because, in essence, you are saying that those persons; could never have had a "Capacity to Love"; since you espoused that "Capacity to Love" can only begin at "the bottom of the cross!".
Again, NO disrespect, but that confuses me; because it makes Jesus (Who IS God) a "discriminator". And I can't believe that at all. Because Peter said in...Acts 10:34 Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons. And Paul said in... Romans 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God.
For the third time, I mean NO disrespect atoll; I believe you are incorrect in your thesis', kind Sirs. I could be wrong...
For your belief, reminds me of the "Victorian era"; where that staunch, mean Queen; deemed intimacy was ONLY for "Pro-Creation". And it should have NO romance; of any kind in marriage between Husband and Wife. HOGWASH I say to her. Yet millions of people (mostly women) became zero "cold" in intimacy; from marriage to death. Oh yes and very sad!
Not to mention the RCC's "espousal"; that intimacy in marriage has ONLY one purpose. And that is to have children. And NO other reason. Which that helped spawn the laws; that Priests and Nuns were NEVER to have intimacy atoll. And so and so on. "For if not, it IS a terrible sin". And if any intimacy was romantic; it was also a terrible sin. HOGWASH I say to them.
I will end this to say: Jesus created the "Institution" of marriage between man and his wife; AND Jesus also created romance too; for it is not a sin, unless its perverted; or out of marriage. Because; the more romance in intimacy; between a man and his wife; causes their brains to release "endorphins"; that gives BOTH of them "Euphoria"; that quells arguments; and many other problems in marriage. And for her, it can last for almost a week. Believe it or not. Praise Jesus' Holy Name.
Could I be wrong? ABSOLUTELY YES!. But all others could be wrong too...
...In any case kind Sir, Please Pray OFTEN and Praise Jesus OFTEN; for He is the ONLY true "God Almighty"; there will ever have been. And may Jesus bless you and yours always. AMEN!
Jesus Christ is God. Those who lived before Christ’s death had him there. Christ was present with Moses. There is no love without God.
Romantic love is fulfilment 💕
I disagree! I dont want a mechanical marriage either; would you expect me to tell my wife " i love you!" With a bland facial expression? I understand that a person should never be center of our attention. Sorry but i cant have a mechanical marriage. If younare married then count me out as one who will come to you for advise.
Way to be negative, piper is better
Not Piper but this new guy talking is terrible..
This is really and negative, about relationships, your support to put God and the center of your relationship, not say how absolutely worth shit your partner is in the relationship..
What a wise answer. Just before this episode I listened to the one where He asks is it love if I don’t feel it? (Simply doing it as a sense of duty). When I come to this podcast, as I do at my home church, and it’s someone other than who I’m used to (Pastor John), there is a tendency to expect a less powerful answer to the question. In light of the episode I just watched before, as I listen to someone other than I’m not used to, I repent for that feeling and pray to God that He would open my heart and that I would focus on Him and not the speaker himself. And I expect, (because I prayed in an earnest desire and believing faith for His will), that my heart will be changed before the podcast or sermon ends, and it always does.
What a powerful message, praise God. Thank you pastor.