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1:38 1. He or She Looks Like a Good Person
2:48 2. Let's Run Together
4:29 3. You've Been Taken Care of Me
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As a half-Japanese living abroad, my greatest struggle in learning Japanese (and thereby reconnecting with my heritage) is the fetishization of courtesy and self-diminishment. It's a beautiful, poetic and precise language but it often breaks down into endless apologies or inability to say anything out of fear of making someone upset.
🙋🏻♂️ Shogo-kun taught us the word “hāfu.” Is this correct?
@@matthewjay660 Yes, it is a transliteration of the English word "half" and is used as a shorthand in Japanese to refer to biracial individuals.
@@matthewjay660 Just to help a fellow Matt out, you wouldn't refer to Shogo with "Kun" (it's generally used for people younger than you/ you are on a friendly basis with them, and people and that are considered lower than you.) I'm sure Shogo wouldn't mind it, but if used with Japanese people in real life, they will definitely find it odd and in worst cases take offense and think you're mocking them. It would be Shogo-Sensei しょうご先生 meaning teacher, or しょうごさん Shogo-San which is a basic politeness marker that you can refer to pretty much anyone with.
@@matteokunimitsu Hi 👋🏻. I asked Shogo his permission and he accorded it. Thanks for your concern. I'm 20 years older than him. ☝🏻I specifically asked him; he specifically told me that yes I have his permission to address him as "Shogo-kun." 🇺🇸🤝🇯🇵 Sempai. Kohai.
@@matteokunimitsu I think the word ' _kun_ ' is also used in Thai e.g. it was sometimes appended at the front of Thaksin's name
As a Japanese learner this is probably the most complex part of the language. Japanese is only really spoken in Japan and if you couple that with centuries of seclusion from the rest of the world, you end up getting a lot of uniqueness to both the language and the cultural/social side.
This means that you can't really just learn the language in a vacuum and expect to understand everything, a lot of times you'll understand every single word and get the meaning of the sentence, but because you're missing some important cultural piece of information it doesn't click for you and you're just left confused thinking "huh? did I hear/read that right?". That's why at some point you'll have to start paying very close attention to how Japanese social norms work and how they carry themselves in any given situation. Not just so you don't make some embarassing mistake, but because a lot of the media people are interested in consuming in Japanese (dramas, anime, manga, light novels, etc) use these situations and rules as gags or even as personality traits.
This is why I like Shogo's channel, having someone explain these things in an approachable way is a really awesome resource to have and makes learning just a tad easier :)
The bar keeper friend should have rolled his sleeves up to reveal his tattoos when serving the "bad boy", just to intimidate him 😂
😂😂😂
While it may be funny, you don't do it especially in your own store. Also, it is ok to have fun, including bluffing in bar. How else we get these funny stories?
The tricky part as a beginner when you are learning Hiragana is sometimes accepting things for the way they are, sentence structure wise, in Japanese(Nihongo) and also pronounciation. But I found if you speak Spanish then Nihongo is gonna be way easier to pronounce. Also once you grasp Hiragana and start knowing how to ask for things or ask questions or introduce yourself in Nihongo it will start being smoother and then you just gotta learn words and phrases for common things like keys/kagi, paper/kami, love/ai, etc. Then moving on to Katakana for foreign terms.
Thanks for the information, because I'm in the middel of learning hirigana. And when you said that Spanish would help, I was like; that the 3 years of Spanish in school would help, nice.
Spanish speakers definitely find Japanese pronunciation more natural and easier in my opinion.
I actually found that the Japanese L/R sound totally screwed me up on my Spanish Rs, especially if there's a lot of Ls and Rs back to back.
as a hindi speaker, i found japanese pronunciation to be easy as well
i agree! i would love to see the opposite too. japanese pronouncing spanish!
I love how all of these are basically "Japanese people tell small lies to save face and not be rude." A very different mindset from a lot of the US where we tend to be honest but usually in as delicate a way as possible. If you are the type to tell untruths in the US you tend to not be trusted and not wanted around for being 2 faced.
For me currently it's simply the speed at which the language is spoken, which, if I'm not mistaken, is the fastest of any language on Earth. It feels like every time I try to say anything but the very simplest of sentences at anything approaching a native speaker's pace, I just end up stumbling over my words and making no sense. I worry that if visiting Japan, people would grow frustrated with me having to speak slowly in order to make myself understood, even if outwardly they'd be polite about it.
Saying "Let's go together with friends" is definitely something at least I've experienced here in America, and it means the same thing too.
I remember some of us eventually got annoyed to be dragged into big group started out from a guy asked a girl out.
They look like a nice person = I’ll bet he has a great personality
Yup that's what we say in Canada!
This is the best thing ever. I’d love to see more videos like this. Hilarious and informative.
Something else that kind of bummed me out for a while was having to learn the dialects. With Tokyo-ben, there are heaps upon heaps of resources, but with Kansai or Osaka-ben, I had to really scrounge. It took me nearly a year of research and weekly lessons with a Kansai native to *finally* understand what the heck Kansai people were saying. If it wasn’t for her I’d probably have gotten nowhere.
Oh and btw, I’ll be living in Fukuoka for a while, so Fukuoka-ben is next.😥
😂 Seriously, even in Germany. “ Our kids should have a playdate”. “Yeah, we should organise something with the whole group” . … can mean “ No way! Stay away, weirdo! “ 😅 well, or something like that.
It's so fun to see you laughing together and at the same time, it was very insightful! 😄
Hello to Kazu too! :) A fun video! Keep on going, Shogo! :)
I know some Japanese people that I had classes with, and often they were shocked by how often they are rejected when making requests or suggestions. Years later, it makes sense to be because it seems like no Japanese native speaker's willing to walk a tightrope to get to the point. Additionally, it's the stuff like "let's all go together" that diminished any reputation of being truthful.
I have been trying to learn Japanese since 1999, I won't give up, but it's a challenge learning by myself. My brief visit to Japan in 2010 helped.
wishing you luck in your studies! it's gotten easier as time passes with more and more resources available, but it's still really hard to find what ones work for you!
wow that’s a long time!!! I hope you’re taking advantage of the tech and resources we have today. So many hidden treasures out there on the internet.
I learned a lot today😂I love how the 'let's go with everyone' is a thing outside japan as well
I just think it's actually pretty cool that his goal is 1,000,000 by January 2023, but it's January 2022, and he's already got 780,000 like that million goal is absolutely gonna happen way sooner than the deadline.
Well from german perspective the japanese sentence structure is similar to german structure, which made it easier to learn and the pronouncation is also quite clear. What i find most difficult is writing and reading in kanji. I think learning to speak japanese is easier compared learning to speak german, because we have so many exceptions and irregular verbs....well if you are not from someone who use to speak a germanic language family. Some rules are downright confusing for non-germanic language speakers. Well at least we dont have the Utrum anymore.
As example
The opposite of "umfahren" is "umfahren"......one means "run over someone/something" and the other one means "drive around someone/something"....the meaning is depending if you slightly pronounce the first syllable or the second
Most joke about germans why they are so blunt and direct, because german rules are confusing enough. Some of miscommunication between japanese and german based on that. German asked things once and usually accept the answer. So as example a german offer a japanese girl a slice of cake, she politely declined it and expectation she would asked again so she can eat the desired slice of cake....well she would be disappointed. Also what most japanese people who lived in germany struggled is that german are extremely into dry sarcasm and dark humor. Things like commenting an empty fridge: "Wow your fridge are full" or something "Your kid is smart".
so in other words you are telling me i have to learn german and when i dominate the language the is tart to learn japanese?
"Would you like some cake?"
"Oh no, I couldn't."
"Okay."
"Hold on a sec!"
@@gamerspartan1412 no but it is easier to learn Japanese if you are fluent in German, because they are similar to each other. Also there is a German rule you learn in elementary school (that, of course, doesn't always hold and has exceptions), that is "a word is written how it is pronounced/ a word is pronounced how it is written", which is, as far as I know, really, really similar to how Japanese works.
It was rough and took me a long time to learn German! (Roughly 6 years) But coming from an English speaking standpoint I think English is even harder to learn since sentences are so much more complicated even! Every language is unique and I love that about learning languages :)
@@jojoxd4342 yeah that is called being “phonetic” and almost all languages that are not English or French is like that
I am still learning Nihongo , learning about culture, social etiquette etc. I keep discovering new things about Japan. My issue is pronunciation & remembering.
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I loved this video! It was refreshing getting an inside perspective about casual conversation. :)
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This was so much fun 😂 and informative too!
This was informative. I would appreciate more videos along the lines of this.
Thank you so much for this shogo!
Can you please do more such reviews. I didn't even know such a channel exist.
This is interesting. Thank you for providing these folks and their platforms. I have some new sites to visit for learning idioms now. Seems more fun than the boring classrooms of rote memorization that I remember doing. Wish I had the opportunity to do immersion language as my father did at DLI. He learned a lot of the typical ones for Tokyo. These will help to learn some new ones.
1: they look like they have a great...... personality???.....
Also.... ahhh they have such a great face for radio.....
This was a lot of fun. I enjoyed this video a lot
Love these returnees react!
Shogo, you need to do more of these!
That was really interesting. I like these kinds of videos.
Love your videos, shogo! My and my girlfriend plan on going to japan in a few years and your videos are very helpful in giving us an idea of what to do and not do in Japan!
I really iike 'let's run together'. Just funny to think that eventually your friend will abandon you and run ahead. Funny stuff ^_^
My problem is that I'm lazy. I've been learning a few kanji, but my speed is very slow. A few new ones every month or so. I'm not actively studying, so I often do a lot of guesswork.
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very funny, great explanations
For business, it sounds a bit like "Thank you for taking care of me" as a greeting is a bit similar to ending emails with "Thank you in advance." No one has actually done anything yet, you are just expressing politeness in anticipation and expectation your requests (if any) are going to be handled and addressed. It sounds a bit different if it's something you would say in every email, regardless of whether or not there is an actual request. But it has the same feel to me, as someone still just learning Japanese.
nice video. fun lessons.
Very informative video I’m starting classes to learn Japanese next year definitely see why people would want to give up.
Im in an interesting position since I can’t read body language as I’m Autistic so even if I learn the language I’m pretty sure I’m going to offend someone somewhere due to it so learning about all the social quirks in Japan through my friends who live there and this channel help a lot.
This kinda makes me want to be in a situation where someone offers to pay so I can be like "Oh thanks for being generous." and put my wallet away. Get free food and/or call them out on trying to look generous.
I love to bow them back when they say "minna-san konnichiwa"
Great video
I love these "lessons" xDD so funny to learn about different cultural contexts
This is amazing!
I would try to learn it later hope I succeed
I didn't know those those Phrases! Thy are Funny!
I'm actually a middle aged man (I'm 44), however, I feel like a young man inside 🤣
You're fairly young still. Im 30 and feel like 16 sometimes.
@@user-jd9sj1mq2b Well, ty for that 😊
It reminded me that my parents generation used to yelled and blamed and forcefully pull the bill, so they could pay for their friends. It still amazed me how they wanted to show their generosity while lightly insult and disrespect each other at the same time.
I think every culture has #4
Certainly in some languages the culture is just as important as the grammar, English isn’t really one I feel but I wonder if that’s because of how popular the media is (like people are already familiar with it somewhat) or if it really isn’t too important
Shogo-kun, this was dope. Please do more with Kazu. I feel that, specifically, THESE types of videos open closed Japanese doors 🚪 to gaijin. FOR ONCE, GAIJIN WERE ALLOWED TO READ THE ROOM. Hai! 👊🏻✊🏻💪🏻 Domo Arigatō Gozimasu! 🇺🇸🤝🇯🇵
Literally, this video teach us, "how to be a 「リア充」". 😁
Can you make a video about kokuhaku i wanna know more
We would like to see Kazu's face, he's so cute.
I wonder if the bar owner with the full body tattoo is Yakuza. It seems like he probably is because he has the full body tattoo which is commonly associated with the Yakuza.
I have a foreign language class which is japanese class this video really helps me with terms and pronunciation and the culture as well
Hi Shogo (or perhaps any other Japanese speakers). When the girl/woman says “I’m a middle aged man inside.” is it just an assumed thing that she obviously means woman? Is there some reason that you can’t say middle aged woman? Or is this just the turn of phrase? Thanks!
She's trying to imply she's 'one of the boys' is why.
Hi, a girl/women can use both but when she has characteristics or pereferences like a “middle aged men”, she usea “middle age mem”. For example, when her favorite food is something which middle aged men tend to like (and tipical middle age women don’t), she may use the phrase.
Thanks for the replies. So it’s much more simple than I might have thought.
Amazing but can you make a video on how can we get admission in Japanese University through scholarship especially for medical
Well for the minnade ikimasyou maybe you could do a reverse UNO and say yeah I'm asked everyone to go or something. Not sure if that would work in Japan
kids. anybody that decides to budget your free time for you.
I am shook that Japan has their own version of "I'm not like other girls."
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The Werefrog was surprised by that whole pay for it not pay for it thing. It's rude to not pull out wallet and offer. It's rude to insist on paying. The Werefrog would never understand that.
I really wanna learn Japanese
There’s no translating - 893 😂🇯🇵🧘🏼♀️👍🇦🇺
Is he intentionally botching the pronunciation?? It's really funny!
It’s hard enough to learn a language that is totally different than your own, then they can have their own intricate meanings that are not literal. Then on top of that, Japanese don’t tell you exactly how they feel if they feel like being polite. It’s totally different than Murica because people will tell you how they feel upfront.
How hard can it be to start learning Japanese if im a native Spanish speaker? I speak semi-fluid english, but Spanish is my native language, and i have lived in a country where Spanish is spoken basically my entire life xD. I'm quite interested in starting to learn Japanese, and i've seen a lot of comments saying is a liiitle bit easier if your base language is Spanish rather than English
It is easier if you speak Spanish. It helps a lot in pronunciation because Spanish and Japanese use the same vowels.
Question. If you visit Japan for a few weeks or months and know little Japanese. How do you go about communicating with a Japanese person? Especially if you go to a restaurant etc? Or if your lost? I just want to learn some Japanese to learn how to speak to an actual person who speaks it and have a convo with them. I heard from Facebook groups if you go they've been having issues with tourists lately being rude etc in Japan. So I'm thinking how can you speak to someone with out being rude how do you let them know you don't know much Japanese? Sorry I worry allot. :(
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I learned that "de su" is used at the end of sentences when referring to "it/he/she/they" pronouns.
They have "not like other girls" in Japan too people are the same everywhere you go
#5 im just one of the guys.
#6 friend zone
for im a middle aged man inside in english ppl just say "I'm an old soul"
I joke I have the guts of an elderly Japanese farmer or fisherman because the more food like that I eat the better my digestion does.
What if it isn't a joke?
I’m not Japanese but I say these things
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12:40 me vs 10 babies would disagree
I stopped at Pimsleur's Learning Japanese at something about describing something about someone's wife.
tomoko and kazu face reveal when?
Impossible to beat up 10 people? I'll have you know, toddlers are people too.
WTH?!
@@ninjablaze6665 he’s right tho
@@RyuLightorb well yea, but do really have to?!, if you do, you'll be most likely be more than a gangster or a thug, you'll be a monster
@@ninjablaze6665 that wasn’t the question tho
Well, more concerningly, why ten gangsta babies in the alleyway??? If they're of the boss baby kind, then yeah, whatever
7:53 even Japan has pick-me girls!
Mr. Shogo, can you make subtitles in Japanese too? I want to introduce your videos to Japanese people.
He seems rather like Filthy Frank in style (though without the filthiness).
ngl it reminds me filthyfrank.
Well, at least it's not Finnish.
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Making fun of students learning a difficult language like Japanese isn’t funny! I’m surprised at your video. I usually like your videos but not this one.