The State Of The Pauper Metagame
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- čas přidán 6. 09. 2024
- The Pauper metagame is going through a shift, and I think it's a good one!
Where combo, aggro, midrange and so much more can thrive, s let's discuss!
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Pauper is so fun to build cheap decks in tbh. I built Mono-White aggro and it's genuinely such a fun deck to play since it's so dead simple but weirdly effectively.
You run around 24 lands, then 1/2/3 drops that draw cards/generate card selections, and 4/5/6 drops that are either bomb finishers with other utility (Eagles of the North) or Monarch/Initiative cards.
Dead simple, and you throw in a few Ephemerate and you have a surprising amount of interaction on some of the blink creatures (Blinking a Dawnbringer Cleric in response to a Dread Return on a Lotleth Troll was one of my favourite moment I've ever had in a magic game, because they knew it was lights out the moment I did that, and they clearly didn't think of it).
My elf deck loves eating affinity lands with gorilla shaman
TFW artifact indestructible duals
Pauper is such a fun because of the slow pace and the back and forth. I like what makes a deck strong in the format is mostly because of the player piloting it rather than the deck is strong. So many interactions that players fight to gain resources.
who remembers daze/gush faeries vs atog/fling affinity?
The atog swing to fling was so fun
What do you think has been the most significant factor in speeding up pauper?
I've been thinking about the LOTRs cycling cards. They aren't limited to basics and are in pretty much every multi color deck.
Truly? Tapped Artifact Duals
As a control only player I am not really in love with the format. I feel like we have kinda hit that critical mass of having good cards that deck design has become how can I shove as many of the best cards as I can in my deck and hope I draw good. This may seem like a normal thing, but it really hasn't been in pauper which was always more about building synergy and finding an unique axis to interact on. Mono red just has these oops I win hands where basically nothing you can do will ever been enough to win if you are on the draw. Affinity isn't even really affinity anymore but a collection of the best cards in whatever colors combinations are the most degenerate that kinda have artifact synergies. Playing control properly and building your deck in a way to navigate the meta was always a super rewarding thing to do, but now it just isn't possible. You can still succeed with control but it isn't quite the same because you are just doing the same degenerate shit as every other deck where you just jam the most powerful cards and hope your opponent doesn't draw well and the general power of the cards you are running is enough to win without needing to take the best lines and making the correct choices.
Affinity isn't Affinity is wild. The shell hasn't changed outside of cards that were banned (Atog and Disciple). It's all in all the same outside of the additions of Refurbished Familiar, Deadly Dispute, and Reckoner's Bargain. Control isn't and hasn't been good in a long time in Pauper.
The closest thing you ever had was Delver when Daze and Gush were still legal. There is a control deck, and it's UB Terror.
Ephemerate Tron is still good as long as you have knowledge of the format, but the variance of it is a bit rough.
i heavily dissagree, i've been really enjoying the format recently and run into powerful control decks all the time and just last week Gardens went 4-0 at my lgs. but the fact that i genuinely can enjoy match ups against hard control decks speaks to how fun and interactive the format is. its intense when you have to play around a counterspell, and making miss-plays a crucial moments is (from my experience) what really ends up determining the outcome of games, not just "whoever draws good first". anyways much love, the formats not for everyone, i hope you have a wonderful day playing whatever formats you enjoy! 😊✨
Out of curiosity since I'm an outsider, what would you consider the best metagame to have been over the years? I'd be willing to get a few lists top lay with my nephew in the future, so I'd lean towards the kind of playstyle you were reminiscing about - don't care whether those lists would be considered legal or even competitive anymore.
@@BE-tw9de pre modern horizons 1 was the best meta game to me. It was much slower than today and heavily interactive. Affinity was still kinda problematic but was more glass canon meaning that it would sometimes just fold to interaction.
@@caseycornett5182 Thank you. Any archetypes with even matchups that year in particular you enjoyed perhaps? As much as I like aggro decks, going as far as building two decks to then end games on turn 2 doesn't seem that exciting to me. That's also like I generally prefer slower playstyles overall, but the interactions between decks should also be considered.
Pauper decks don't cost an arm and a leg either. Unless you need Lotus Petal.
Reprint when?
@@ThatMillGuyShaf I keep hoping for it in one of these straight to Commander sets, but who knows.
Jeskai ephemerate is one of my favorite decks to play in all of Magic. The cycling through your deck, drawing a ton of cards and protecting important threats while looping archaeomancer, ephemerate, and a counterspell is so fun.
In Poland the pauper comunity is gaining popularity. In my city we are playing every friday and at least 6-10 people show up. It's fun to play the established decks in the metagame and it is even more fun if we agree on junky brews. The best thing about pauper - you cannot prepare for everything in the sideboard
Sadistic Glee is probably one of my favorite Pauper decks I've seen in a long time. I love how there's so many different shells and interactions with cards that never saw play in the past in order to compete with the metagame.
I think Pauper is in a great place and the Pauper Format Panel does a great job. I'm pretty happy with the bridges right now. Yes, Affinity is good, and they do kind of warp the format's artifact hate away from destroy effects in a way that's a little reminiscent of The One Ring in other formats, but I don't think they're a crazy outlier compared to other options for building a mana base in the format, from LotR land-cyclers to bounce lands to depletion lands to gates to tron to whatever else.
My problem with the bridges is more in Jeskai Ephemerate than it is in Affinity tbh. It makes Cleansing Wildfire basically "Rampant Growth but draws you a card" while also allowing the deck to not need to sideboard against Tron. I actually like the bridges outside of their interaction with Cleansing Wildfire though (Not mentioning Geomancer's Gambit in that part since Geomancer's being 3 mana makes it much worse).
@@airtempest8945I honesly think quite the opposite. The wildfire combo is an interesting ramp/value piece slow enough to not actualy be that strong. Affinity being resilient for destroy removal and and forcing White Dust to Dust for efficient counterplay rather than for example green Gleeful Sabotage or RG Ancient Grudge is where they are an issue because they limit the effectiveness of hate cards.
@@behemoth9543 Green does have Deglamer, though Gleeful Sabotage and Ancient Grudge would definitely see more play if bridges weren't around.
@@airtempest8945 that's interesting because the cleansing wildfire interaction was the main reason they wanted to keep the bridges.
The entire issue right now is the refurbished familiar, it makes playing any tempo or control deck a massive pain as you'll be constantly getting 2for1 and it also gets recycled over and over either by bouncing or graveyard effects like blood fountain, the meta was much more varied before mh3.
Weird to borderline insult ppl with different opinions, discrediting them with "you just don't get it".
The Mirrodin Lands are part of Paupers identity, yes, but they are also the reason for a lot of trouble, especially in the last 3/4 years. Grixis Affinity is on top of the meta 90% of the times, because we have far too many Artifact lands, and 3 of those can be played untapped. Banning them, would slow those decks down. In context, Glitters would've never been so oppressive in terms of play pattern, if that deck had 4 less untapped artifact lands.
Another reason against them vs the Bridges is, that indestructible lands have more decks they can actually get into, than the Mirrodin ones. You can slot them into your non artifact deck to have some protection against Ponza, you can use them to ramp. They just come into play tapped, which is a fair price to pay, for what you get in return.
Also the reason why Control is pushed out of the meta, because the strongest deck, still, is Grixis Affinity, which is fast enough to go under Control and if NOT, just outdraws it. It's still absurd to have a deck, that lacks thread density but can still win against removal heavy decks.
I’m just happy broodscale combo is a good deck, thought it might be another bad creature/enchantment combo, but it has multiple variants, also ATOG
My Red Kuldotha Deck feels insanely fast. My friends at my lgs almost always have taken 10+ damage turn 2 or if I'm slow turn 3. The turn after this it's over.😅
Pauper is in a good spot right now. All the archetype are present some more than others but really it's fun right now and decks are adapting.
hm for me i dont think pauper needs any bans, there are some unbans that i would like to see though, prism to be more specific considering ponza is tier one
Release my boy Atog! The atog affinity deck was one of the most fun decks ever to play
I’d really like to see more spell based control like ephemerate and tron, they’re putting up really low numbers rn. I feel the one drop slots have become too powerful. Used to hate tron, but it was a more interesting boogeyman imo than madness, monored, or affinity
In my pod ppl have 3-4 different decks. Also there are w crazy brewers that bring a different deck every week
Sounds like me. I get joy from brewing unique builds and testing them out. Since the decks are dirt cheap to build, it's a win-win situation.
Basking broodscale is notable for not being green
Still dies to doom blade
Listen, my absolute favorite card is Nantuko Husk, flavor text and everything, you better believe Atog is also one of my favorites. Moss Dog is also one of my favorites, "man's best fungus"
I've played this game since 97, and along the way I grew to love all aspects of magic. I absolutely appreciate you saying that formats have an identity.
I myself think CEDH doesn't belong. My pod plays commander to kind of relax, and enjoy magic. Pauper is a format anyone can get sweaty with. There's almost no price tag, and it goes back to the early days of magic.
Pauper is my favorite format, however I play all formats, except standard.
I quit Commander months ago and am foiling out UW Familiars, which is mid-tier but enjoyable. Ponza and Affinity are still overplayed though. Overall it's the best format right now, agreed and I hope you cover it again in the future.
Pauper is one of the best formats due to it being affordable and fun to play. I also remember watching old videos of atog just killing people out of nowhere... it was pretty dope. I am just trying to make a midrange control deck that works well in pauper... really wanting to make golgari gardens though.
I’m just beginning to think about getting into Pauper, but I’m definitely a control/combo player, and Tithing Blade seems my jam. Sad to hear slower playstyles are struggling.
I wouldn’t say struggling. You can perform at the highest competitive level with control still. Take look at UW familiars if your interested in combo/control.
If you dig tithing blade, take a look at any of the black affinity lists, either mono black, dimir or grixis. While not strictly combo, when they go off it almost feels like combo.
@@motorboot2822grixis doesn't really play tithing blade. I can't say about rakdos or dimir though
Pauper's poppin?
I only have one deck, a Jund reanimator (splash of green) and I absolutely love it
Broodscale is devoid (Not to be pedantic, but it is important when dealing with protection)
My last 2 local pauper tournaments with what used to be a strong contender Golgari gardens deck was completely shut out. One week by an abundance of gruul ramp decks with writhing chrysalis and the next week by multiple grixis and Rakdos sneaky snackers lists… Part of the issue was the sideboard didn’t offer the right answers to those decks, so I think it warrants some additional testing and edits to adapt to the new local metagame but on the same note if my only hope is drawing the sideboard pieces when I need them then maybe I should switch to one of the new decks that seem to be taking over the format while people get left behind trying to adapt…
There is not a control deck at the top because you cannot play control in pauper atm. Both combo and aggro are better against.
my opinion is as always that we should ban the m10 plains from pauper just in case it is having a negative effect on the format
If the bridges were gone pauper would be indeed the best format ever.
Reconsider your deckbuilding decisions if bridges bother you that much
If you love aggro and combo mirrors, then pauper is perfect right now… I’d love if more controlling strategies was playable
Ephemerate Tron is definitely playable. People just don't like clicking through the Mnemonic Wall loop
@@khub5660 Ephemerate tron isn't even a tier 2 deck anymore. the meta is just too fast for him.
@GFLF13 you say that, but I stomp with Ephemerate tron. If you rip the list off of MTGGoldfish, you're gonna get slammed. There's a lot of tech that isn't being utilized
What is your thoughts on Pauper possibly using Restrictions instead of straight up bans?
Right now the only format that uses restrictions is Vintage. And they're horrible to really properly balance after seeing yu-gi-oh attempt to do.
I'm open to seeing it tried. But if it's not going well, axe it quickly.
5:22 broodscale is a colorless creature
I miss Atog and Disciple shenanigans. I played Grixis with Atog, Disciple, Fling, and Sojourner's Companion as a pure aggro deck.
Understandably, they were banned. I enjoyed them while they lasted and still enjoy Affinity.
Advice from the Community on turbofog? I feel like with all these aggro decks it should be doing well no?
I recently logged back into MTGO trying to figure out what kind of deck I want to pilot. I used to play Boros Heroic on paper with friends but I wanna try something else.
Vintage is the best format that you're not playing. Sure, there are only a few decks that you can play, but standard often has rotations where there are 4 good decks that dominate. The style of gameplay is different to every other format due to the legality of the broken cards that can't be played anywhere else.
Vintage is just YuGiOh with different card frames
Can’t wait for pauper horizons
It's absolutely far from meta, but I love playing mono-black ponza whenever I can make it to Pauper tourneys at my LGS. It often gets hosed by decks that rely on the indestructible artifact lands, but I can usually snag 2-3 wins because folks aren't usually expecting their lands to get mulched.
indestructible artifact dual lands must go to atog and disciple come back.
I want to pick up 3 to 4 decks to get myself and friends into Pauper, I just ordered UB faeries and think I'm going to go with RG Ponza, what else should I build to fill out the different types of deck playstyles?
@virtuatelier3235 the possibilities are endless. Some suggestions include affinity decks, burn (rakdos madness, black or red goblins), tron decks (big spells/creatures), sacrifice decks, etc. My first pauper homebrew was a dimir toxic control deck ( toxic creatures, removal, draw, and proliferate). It was fun because it applied pressure and put your opponent on a clock due to poison counters.
Haven't played pauper since the Drake Dark Age, the meta seems kinda cool right now but I all want to do is lock people by dropping chittering rats lol
Grief has to be the best name for a card ever. It's the perfect name for what is does and please have it fuck off in all formats
@@mrskittles6486 this is a video about pauper…
@@AlexanderClamilton so when that mill guy is talking about format identity from about the seventh minute one and then from minute 12 to 14 he is talking about grief and how it's dumb and ruins the format identity of legacy is a busted card and should go and how paupar is legacy light and I'm just agreeing it's a dumb card and should go and it's name is perfect for what it makes player feel in a game but yeah its only a paupar video when he spends about 20 perfect of it talking about other formats identity when comparing it to pauper. But maybe you would know if you actually paid attention for the entire video friends thanks for the comment tho bro
Ngl the true answer to pauper artifacts is if they just make some good hate cards for it that are flexable...that's it. Give us a mode spell that has "destroy up to 2 artifacts with converted mana cost 1 or less" then some other ok abilities like thraben charm has
Seriously if they just make more mode spells that are answers the world would be a better place
Tron is the best deck. Monster tron, not altar tron.
Rip my homie Atog!
I still have my playset of Atog😊
Ooh Atog... Soo great❤
Gruel ramp is my jam. We here to eat midrange and control decks. LD go burr
ATOOOOG!!!
Rest in PeePee Atog.
Pauper Is King
Huh pauper hasn't changed in 15 years
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Atog? Nah atogatog
The worst thing about pauper will always be the blind zealots that can't take any criticisms about the formaty
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