Appreciate you all for allowing us to embark on new stories of all sports. Marion Jones was a huge inspiration for this transition. She truly had a chance to be one of the most dominant athletes ever. Makes me ask the question. What would she have been Drug free?
If you look at videos of JC Hooker and Marion together you don't see the genuine affection of a married couple. When you see Flo Jo and Al Joyner together you can see the excitement they feel in each others presence: it is obvious either one of them would have gone to the floor for the other.
My dad and I LOVED her, watched all her races, and considered her a darling of the T&F sport. To say that the enormity of the hurt when she was caught cheating was a lot, is an understatement. I think she chose the wrong company from the start, poor choices (husbands), who both just shackled her to a ball and chain and tossed her overboard. It was devastating to watch the downfall, it made my dad and I basically lose faith in humanity. For what it is worth, I am so glad that she is giving back in the small things she is doing, especially in shaping young minds and showing the consequences of bad choices. Keep running Marion, it is just a different race now. We are still rooting for you.
Her supposed giving back is to avoid the IAAF taking legal action for the return of $ 700 000 of IAAF prize money she obtained by cheating. She has to take the stance she does to avoid them demanding their prize money back with interest. Even if their case was weak they could win by greater financial weight alone. As to her husbands tossing her overboard, they knew she wouldn't hesitate to condemn them if she thought she could get away with it. There is no reason to believe she wasn't doping from the age of 12 onwards. For example she needed Jonnie Cochrane at 16 to get her out of a 4 year IAAF ban, the same year she met JC Hooker. She also avoided the chance of an Olympic medal as a race relay reserve, she could have gotten an Olympic medal without even having to run.
@@michaeledwards2251 Very interesting take there, thx ME. In the end, I think there is always going to be benefit from her steering young minds from ending up in such pitfalls, even if it is motivated by her just anting keep the money and save face.
@@severtone263 For sure her admitted downfall and imprisonment is an important reminder to those contemplating doping. The US laws against doping have recently being toughened, allowing the application of 10 year prison sentences, with Blessing, a Nigerian living in the US, being likely to be made an example of. Are you aware Marion Jones was convicted for her part in a $ 5 million cheque fraud for which she should have received a 10 year sentence. The FBI maintained their authority by ensuring she got a 6 month sentence for cheek : lying to the FBI. If you listen to end of her supposed confession of doping, after multiple references to her family being mad at her, at the end she makes a confession of being dishonest, in other words it is a public statement that she took part in the cheque fraud she had been convicted of, at no point does she admit to doping despite being convicted in open court of being a doper. The US Government true attitude towards Marion Jones was given away by the fact the first month of her 6 month sentence was spent in solitary. Another reason why I find Marion Jones objectionable is the way her obvious doping when competing against a field of clean athletes spread doping. The 2000 Sidney Olympics 100 meters race, with the exception of Marion Jones, was clean. See the video MARION JONES Z SCORE for details. The W-distribution, a modification of the normal distribution for small sample sizes should have been used, and MJ should not have been considered part of the sample, the race pack. Even so she is shown to be statistically significantly different from the pack. In the 2001 World Championship 100 meters race Marion Jones was beaten. The manner of her defeat demonstrated she is not a true elite athlete. She lacked the ability to maintain her form under race pressure despite not suffering pain. Pintusevich demonstrated her true elite status by maintaining perfect form despite reaching the pain barrier and collapsing afterwards. The mark of a true elite athlete is the ability to make a 0.5 % advantage definitive.
Was competing at all the big meets with her in high school. She is the best female athlete I've ever seen. She held the high school 100, 200 and long jump records at one time in high school. I saw her dunk a basketball and she's under 6 foot. That's amazing for a man. She got involved with the wrong crowd, she never needed drugs just hard work. Her talent was supernatural.
@leonardodalongisland It's her fault, but when your husband the person who's supposed to look out for her is pushing it to her, that's a problem. But she chose him so hey.
Whether Lance and Marion did or didn't need performance enhancing drugs would have depended on their ultimate goals. Lance wanted to win the Tour de France multiple times. Marion wanted to win multiple gold medals at the olympics and world championships. So in their cases, they actually DID need performance enhancing drugs to win at the highest levels of their sport. If both athletes competed at a much lower level, sure, they didn't need drugs. But to be the best of the best in the world in sports, they definitely needed them.
When Armstrong was competing the peleton was 100% doped because there was no test for EPO and everyone knew it. Therefore, you didn't just need to dope in order to win, you needed to dope in order to make the time limits and have a pro cycling career..
ehh yes & no. Cycling is notorious for doping. Everyone at the top level does it. Olympics on the other hand is alot harder in terms of testing for steroids
She's far worse. The opposition didn't cheat. View the video Marion Jones Z score and you will realise all the 100 meter opposition ran clean. Why ? Because 10 years before the East German were exposed and the consequences of steroid doping were exposed: females turning into males, heart problems, organ damage, fertility and child damage, with a long term kicker: severe osteoporosis so bad the spinal column collapses causing intense agony. All the opposition knew she was using, how ? When you inject steroids your hormone levels are destabilised causing steroid rages she couldn't hide. Additionally she proved she would be nothing without drugs, how ? In the 2001 World Championships when she was under pressure in the 100 meters by Pintusevich, her form collapsed. To win clean you have to make a margin of 0.5 % or less count. In other comments I have remarked I believe she corrupted Thanou by depriving her of the Gold Medal she had fought 10 years for. Remember in 2004 no prospect existed Jones could be exposed and Thanou would have felt enraged at this.
I personally at one time was a teammate with her on the Jr Olympics team to go to Spain in 92. WOW you wouldn't believe the pressure. I have so many stories no one could imagine. Love your channel. Stay bless 😘
Given BALCO was being investigated their choices were either sell her out or go to jail and hope she would fight for them. Since she obviously won't, their choice was made for them.
@Westside Chicago naw cam succeeded in every level of football. He's won awards on every level. at one point he was the highest paid quarter back in the league. League mvp and took a team to the super bowl. He also never got caught cheating the game. If he deserves a stunted growth with his accomplishments, then its thousands more that deserves one before him. His story is still being written.
She was my inspiration growing up, and just so happens, We went to see her in Atlanta, Ga when I was younger, we had front row tickets because an older cousin worked there, she said words on the microphone and when she was finished, she waved at me and my brother and I was instantly paralyzed and I didn't wave back because I was in too much shock, it still hurts to think about it tbh😭
I still love Marion. She was one of my favorite track athletes back then. I had constantly stood by and defended her when she was suspected of using PEDs. But when she finally had admitted to using them, I was completely devastated. I remember shedding tears when she gave that heartbreaking speech. I was happy to see her playing basketball again in the WNBA for those 2 years. Happy now that she's doing better for herself and teaching young future athletes about the dangers and consequences of using PEDs.
She legit was better than the competition for a period. I just think the pressure to live up to the lofty expectations bestowed upon her caused her to seek a leg up in the 🏁.
I usually try not to blame men in these situations but it was totally her husband's fault. If he was already in to that stuff and he got her when she was 16
@@wc6081 I wouldn't say always. I think it's something she used to get by as she aged plus she had a laundry list of injuries that began to pile up as she got older.
@@chillywilliedfw9093 Yeah and I’m a billionaire… Them people who go that route don’t just start… Look at the Great Ken Griffey Jr… All the injuries and never did steroids to recover or slow down the aging process… He accepted his fate… Steroid users always were cheaters! Liars and cheated their sports! Filth!
@@wc6081 but Barry bonds was a beast even before the roids. Some people really do start as pressure to continue greatness increases. Not everyone goes in from jump saying I’m gonna cheat. Not sure where you got that
@@neilnelmar8007 u think they don't have their picks and chooses i can guarantee if the last place runner doesn't get exposed for PEDS if they're caught bcuz really who cares
@@kurt2422 that’s not a fair assessment. The people around ShaCarri aren’t using drugs presently. Actually their(Justin Gatlin and Dennis Mitchell) old coach(Trevor Graham) also coached Marion and when they were under him is when they used/got popped for PEDS. ShaCarri trains with many more athletes who don’t and never had any issues.
I read her book and felt as if she felt she was the victim because she had to do time, not because her actions placed her in that situation in the first place!!!!
Uh, while this was a great documentary, those three athletes you mentioned with 'killer instinct' was a pretty good list, but Edwin Moses, in track and field, was the ultimate in killer instinct...His sheer dominance over over a 10 year period of being UNDEFEATED IN EVERY RACE HE ENTERED is the most underrated track and field record ever.
I remember Marion Jones when she was a youngster in the L.A. area. She was a great athlete since she was a young girl. I believe she allowed herself to be unduly influenced by others around her. This was a tragedy for her. A quest for fame led her astray.
More like a quest for $. Basketball would have paid well, especially with advertising $, but athletics focuses on the individual giving greater opportunity for $. Given her size relative to her high school competition, and the Olympics, her documented years of systematic cheating, and meeting JC Hooker at 16, the possibility arises she was abusing HGH Human Growth Hormone from 16 onwards. She planned to get 5 Gold medals to maximise her advertising revenue.
She was a beast before 16. We ran together for West Coast Express. She came from basketball and dominated. She NEVER needed the peds. She was persuaded after giving birth.
You mean she wanted the $. She got millions in advertising revenue. It's not the advertisers I feel sorry for, they got their money back 10 times over and more, it's clean athletes she cheated of $ 700 000 of IAAF prize money. The only sanction ? She is unable to compete in IAAF events until she returns the money. In her so called confession of doping she covered her cheating of $ 700 000 from other athletes by saying "Due to my actions I am retiring from athletics".
There is something about the way she keeps pretending she didn't know she was taking drugs makes me suspect her high school performances. It may well have been a case of a user looking for a source.
@@gvk87 Probably all knew about CLEAR, THG, and were customers for BALCO. Only the biggest names got mentioned in BALCO. Over 80 Base ball players had cases against them dropped. How many others, simply don't know. How many others bribed Victor Conte to destroy records and keep quiet , unknown. His lack of testimony against others was the reason for his jail sentence. (He doesn't strike me as a man of honour.)
I really liked Marion Jones, I had a crush on her! I could not believe it when she admitted to using steroids! She seemed like the perfect example of an athlete! I use to talk about her being the perfect female athlete that I would pick to play with me if I had to pick a girl. I still cannot believe it, but something about her I still like.
I did too (had a crush on her). She did not need that whatever she took. She could have won those medals without it and we would be talking about how great of a champion she was. But she made her choice and admitted to it.
I remember her in high school. She’d show up at meets and got treated like a pro. Watching her run was almost magical. She would have absolutely been able to dominate without drugs. It’s a shame we’ll never truly know.
@@onlinesmurf what’s the lie? She was breaking records as a high schooler and was pretty dominant before the drugs. It’s not a reach to suggest she’d be pretty impressive without the drugs. And what excuses did she make?
@@CHEETAH69 everyone at the world level was super impressive that is why it is the world level. Athletes know there chance of winning and that is why they cheat. She is just a cheater and now is trying to downplay it saying I didn't need it I would have still won. Most ped cheaters use this lie.
@@onlinesmurf no most don’t say that. Jones was one of the fastest prep athletes ever. She’d won Worlds twice and was ranked #1 in the world for 3 straight years before she started using. Spending time on “what if’s” seems a bit fruitless. But it’s not far fetched to hypothesize she’d be one of the fastest without them.
I was a young kid in school when finding out in real time that she took steroids. I didn't know what exactly steroids were at the time but knew she cheated in some way and was so disappointed. No lie, that changed my whole view on sports in general.
She was so talented, until she got involved with CJ Hunter I asked a US Sprinter who ran in the 2000 Games if Marion was as good looking in person as she was in pictures. He said, "I never looked because CJ was always around
@@greatdimitri1049 Her speed was first discovered on the court. She won NCAA Championship her freshman year. After track, she went on to play in the WNBA. We ran TAC together...now called AAU.
I knew this girl personally. She was an athletic beast as a child. No drugs needed. Ladies, never let your SELF ESTEEM depend on a man's view of you. Love yourself!!!
Cj Hunter was being SUPER petty when they divorced, and started singing like Will Downing on his ex wife. This whole ordeal was sad FR. Leave them drugs alone people.
Yeah, it looks to me like this was retaliation for her leaving him for another guy... she was dating another track guy at that tyme that she had a kid with shortly thereafter... the time-line is too close...
@@malikkimanimaasai3703 i remember he had retired at that point so he would have felt he had little to lose: the revenge motive was still there but no constraint on the danger to his career.
The sad thing about this is she did not need the drugs. On the female end you can't coach 5'10 pure athleticism. I would watch her play basketball and marveled at her talent. I ran the 1500 in high school and college and often wondered how she competed at a high level in the 100, 200, and 400 meter individual races. Not to mention the relays. I chalked it up to her being a force of nature. It did not help her any that Allyson Felix (another Cali phenom) came right behind her.
I certainly don't want to defend using PED's. However, I do want to correct you on something. Using PED's doesn't allow you to skip the hard work. The advantage come from the exact opposite. PED's allow athletes to work out harder and longer than clean athletes can. It's sad that so many athletes choose to go this route since they actually are willing to put in the work. I think some start using because they are told they have to because "everybody else is taking them".
No one talks about recovery from the hard work. It is IMO, about the recovery. That in itself is the hook. After experiencing distinct and full re-ups after hard long workouts, fast recovery becomes the hook.
hard work is easy though because the peds help you recover in 24 hours ive ran track those sprint workouts will tax you for 3 days these guys recover in one day and can blast off again the next day fully fresh with another speed workout where a clean guy has to have his system recover fully or you will be flat and not as strong in the workouts that is propbably what he means by skip the hard work because recovery is very hard. With PEDS its easy because its as if you never even worked out the day before so you can do another hard workout the next day.
I suggest you watch the video Marion Jones Z score and you will realise all her opposition were running clean. They both the times and in the statistical distribution clean athletes would be expected to achieve. Jones knew her opposition were clean and determined to take advantage in order to become a multi-millionaire. Her plan was working until the BALCO scandal and her involvement in a cheque fraud scheme. She was exposed because the people she was associating with didn't want to pay their debts.
Great video. However, NPD or Narcissism is in NO WAY a positive attribute or personality trait. Being motivated, focused, driven, competitive and confident in your abilities is one thing. Narcissism is an entirely different thing altogether.
I feel sorry for Marion Jones.I feel she was harshly treated.She should not have gone to jail for lying to the FBI. A lot of athletes like Mark Mcguire, Barry bonds and Is Rafael Palmero.All lied to Congress, yet never suffered Marion Jones fate.But for her to say she would have won without drug.Is a fairy tale.If she could have won without drugs, she would have.
I remember back in the day her smoking the LB poly girls track team super fast she didn't need steroids but the pressure got to her I still love her stay up boo
Caring??? She stole the life's work of other athletes who played by the rules. She did this without remorse. I ran track and I can tell you coming in second and fourth sucks. She knew this but cheated anyway. It's hard to imagine how the women who placed second on the biggest stage in sports must feel. The loss of endorsement money, prestige, and historical relevance. Then to spend years going out of her way to criticize others who got caught all while lying about her doping at the highest level is classic narcissism. Where do you see the caring in that?
She came into foot locker after the scandal I served her and got her the shoes she asked for I wanted to ask for a autograph so bad but she seemed really down and was rocking a hoodie. Wish I just asked, sigh regrets 😞. Still dope I got to see her in person though 💪🏾.
Ms M Jones you are still awesome wether enhanced or not. It's great to come across a recent video of what you've accomplished. Oh close the lid on the enhancements. I know for a fact other athletes were doing the same especially in those other countries.
As a 10 year old girl who loved sports and had natural sprinting ability, I looked up to Marion so much. I remember watching the 2000 Olympics and screaming with joy after seeing her races. In my community there wasn't anybody I could look at as a little black girl who was running track (or doing any sport) that I could see the possibilities for myself in. I distinctionly remember admiring everything about her and wanting be just like her "when I grow up". I remember being devastated when this all came out. I think I even cried. Although interestingly even at that age I never felt judgement towards her. Just sadness. As an adult, I now have the words to explain those feelings. She made a mistake, like we all. However, in my opinion she did not deserve the public shaming directed towards her. I hope she has found happiness since and learned to forgive herself.
She deserved everything she got. Her so called confession including the statement she was retiring from athletics because of her actions. The reason ? The IAAF required her to return the $ 700 000 in prize money she got by cheating. The only sanction, she would not be allowed to compete in IAAF events until it was returned. She cheated honest athletes of $ 700 000. Additionally she had been paid over $ 3 million in sponsorship money. She had a $ 2.5 million house and other assets. It is scarcely credible she was reduced to a few thousand $ in her bank account after been caught. Remember this is not a matter of a simple mistake made impulsively but a plan systematically executed over several years. Additionally she met JC Hooker when she was 16. If you see how big she is in relation to her opposition, height and width, as a high school student and how big she was in the Olympics, the questions arises, was she using Human Growth Hormone from the age of 16 to increase her adult height and strength ? Her opposition ran clean Why Because the East German athletes had been exposed and the consequences of their drug usage shown Females turning into males, Heart problems, Organ damage, Fertility loss, Children suffering damage as well, and a long term kicker: severe osteoporosis causing spinal collapse causing intense agony. The above is only a sample of the bad side effects which induced any sensible athlete to run clean. If you want to find confirmation the opposition ran clean see the video Marion Jones Z score. If you ignore Marion Jones, Thanou who should have won, and the last runner, there is a pack of 5 with a mean of 11.2 seconds and a standard deviation of about 20 milliseconds. The probability of Thanou time, less than !% faster than the pack mean, in a race of 8 is 40%. The probability of Marion Jones time, 10.75, if she followed the pack distribution is less than 1 in billion. (Remember to use the W distribution as a pack of 5 is below the size where the Normal distribution is an appropriate approximation. )
She would have been a first rate athlete but not an Olympic medalist. She began cheating in high school - she had to be represented by superlawyer Johnnie Cochrane. She was a narcissist. She fooled me completely!
Marion i believe you would have won without drugs also , i first saw you in high school at the state track meet, at that point i knew she would be great.
I use to watch her @ North Carolina N she was unstoppable scoring whenever she wanted she was dominant as well as track N field she made both sports look EASYWORK....... Got with two Agents who undermined her greatness due to there failures.....
Poor Marian Jones, I am 11 years her senior, I've always loved watching sprinters do their thing, she was no exception. I first saw her in Sports Illustrated on the back cover where they highlight outstanding high school athletes. I followed her career, and rooted for her to do big things in track, and she did not disappoint. It was so sad watching her fall from grace in her professional career!😢 She didn't need to use drugs! I wish she'd walked away from drug using CJ as soon as he revealed to her that he was a user. I was such a big fan of Marian, namesake, I am a Jones myself! Being involved with CJ destroyed her career, so sad. 🤨😒😔
@@jehustrachan6015 She proved just that in 2001 World Athletes 100 meter race. When she was under pressure her form fell apart. The mark of an elite athlete is the ability to maintain form under maximum pressure and make a margin of 0.5% definitive.
I'd have to read her book to figure out how much her husband's dirty ways influenced her choices. He tested dirty, which drew attention to her in the first place, then, he turned his back on her and testified against her. This story is crazy.
Good shit bruh.. U couldn't have picked a better athlete to start with.. I loved Marion.. U definitely should keep this going with the other sport's stunted growth as well as bball
This has to be the saddest of all the videos posted here. I was such a huge fan of hers. And had the biggest crush on her back in the day. So disappointing how her track life turned out.
Marion was a total fraud brah. Track is measured in milliseconds, those first-place finishes would have maybe made the metal stand, maybe. But those chicks that finished second and fourth, she robbed them of life's highest sports achievements and did it while talking trash about other cheaters. She got just what she deserved.
@@bjt81366 NEGATIVE... She was a gifted athlete who dominated track... oh and was a beast in HOOP too. Don't deny her talent bro.. sorry you feel the way you feel.. obviously you're passionate about the losers... perhaps you experience loss in competitions in your life time... still doesn't change the fact she is one of the greatest track runners ever!... Do you say the Same about Reggie Bush losing his Heisman?? Did he not earn it or not? His momma took money, is he still not great? Did he not make those plays or not??? Do you say the same about Bonds, McGuire or Sosa????.... Pete Rose doesn't deserve to be in Canton because he gambled? Doesn't change the fact they're great bro... Last I saw, steroids don't change you're eye and swing coordination... Marion Jones was great period.
@@mistakeef Whatever dude, you like cheaters that's you being you. I can tell you this, you never completed in any serious sport. You can come back and lie, but anyone who has and wasn't a cheat would never agree with you. So go ahead and hit back with some lame lie like you actually played something more than checkers. Couch boy.
That was interesting take on Ms. Jones. Particularly the part about narcissism. I never thought of that probably because I always associated narcissism with being evil something that I never attributed to Ms. Jones. Just thought she got caught up. To be honest though I hadn't heard all those comments she made were she shamed other athletes for using PED's which is crazy since she did that while being on PED's herself. Her husbands did her dirty but she was still an adult who made an adult decision to do wrong. It's cool that she bounced back though and is doing well now.
Yeah, that makes sense. I’ve also associated narcissism with something evil and bad. But I was reading an article a few years back, and the U.K. did a study and said that doctors - more specifically, surgeons - tend to exude narcissistic, Machiavellianism and psychopathy traits. So maybe in a way, narcissism can be a relatively good trait, if applied correctly. I’m not sure. But I found that study to be intriguing.
@@sabrina.natalie Yeah I could see that. Not sure if you're into Marvel movies but the film Dr. Strange basically personified that idea in the beginning. I'm thinking that in order to do that kind of work where you routinely have another human being's life in your hands has to on some level lead to some degree of arrogance because if a person in that situation doubted themselves then disastrous things would happen. That does sound like something I would want to read as well.
I'm not saying she wasn't wrong for what she did, but those husbands were wooz/losers who didn't deserve her love! I'm glad that though she stumbled, she was able to bounce back and be a good influencer to young people. Kind of reminds me of this quote: "The steps of a good man are ordered by the Lord. Though he stumbles, yet he's not utterly cast down for the Lord upholds him with His hands"!
It s easy to bounce back if you return the $ 700 000 in IAAF prize money obtained by cheating. The only sanction ? She can't compete in IAAF events until she returns the $. To me her drive was maximum $. Why would a narcissistic turn down the opportunity of going to the Olympics as a teenager and obtain an Olympic medal without even having to run for it. (She would have been part of an alternative team. ) The way she keeps denying drug usage after being convicted of it raises the question how far back did usage go ? Given a test kit got lost at 17 and she needed Jonnie Cochrane to defend her, the question arises, was she using from the age of 12. It sounds incredible yet would explain how she was able to duck a basket ball at school when taller boys were unable to do so. Her school wins look eerily similar to her Olympic wins. When she was forced to maintain form under pressure, the sign of a true elite, during the 2001 World Athletics Championship 100 meters, her form fell apart. She wasn't even in pain, watch how she showed no sign of exhaustion afterwards.
You don't see much Marion Jones on CZcams which is weird. I understand the scandle but she was literally one of the biggest sports stars of the era. Also her personal best in the 100m would not have gotten her a gold medal in Tokyo.
Dude, she was one of the biggest sports stars of the era because she cheated. What are they going to highlight on CZcams? Her achievements were total frauds. LOL
Thank you for this story, very sad that Marion could have won her races without the drugs. I hope current athletes like Sha'carri get to view this video.
@@SP-qo3pd Are you aware she never returned the $ 700 000 in IAAF prize money she obtained by cheating ? The only sanction. She is unable to compete in IAAF events until she does so
I always suspected Lance Armstrong, but Marion broke my heart. She was a Goddess, but her blind ambition overtook her. Testimony to her strength is her humility and willingness to share her personal story. She doesn't owe anybody anything but is making the most of it!
Marian Jones was the best. The hell with they saying about her. I saw her from the 9th grade to the 12th grade California state champion 4 years in a row
Marion would have been right up there with Serena Williams as the greatest female athlete, ever. She married two steroid cheaters in a row, and both men USED her (shot put/discus CJ Hunter, and then sprinter Tim Montgomery.) She was too naive, and the poor choices she made as a result of this destroyed her life.
Don't assume she was naive. Remember as a teenager 1. She needed Jonnie Cochrane to get her out of a 4 year IAAF ban. 2. She option not to get an Olympic medal as a relay reserve. Your assuming she wasn't using before JC Hooker. The above suggests otherwise, that her choices were influenced by the need to use to maintain her career.
Too naive? Poor choices? Both men used HER? Please..................... She knew EXACTLY what they were all about, and what they could do for HER, those angry denials of Jones notwithstanding.
She was one hell of an athlete It’s a shame that the drug use scandal stunted her growth I didn’t know that she played basketball 🏀 at UNC and won a National championship with the women’s team ⛹️♀️
Yes. Basketball was first. Our coach saw her speed on the court and brought her to our track team, as children. She dominated the track. After track, she played in the WNBA
Peace bro, I've been enjoying your videos for a minute, and you definitely have some great content! I've watched from a guest account so I couldn't add likes, but I'm going to watch them all again through my account to make sure you get the credit you deserve. Keep up the good work, and God Bless!
Everyone deserves a second chance. She deserves forgiveness. She admitted her wrongs. I truly thought she was a great runner. I enjoyed watching her run. Wish her all the best in her future endeavours.
what about the other athletes that was stolen a medal due to her taking drugs. if she nows says she would have won even if she didnt take any. why did she take drugs in the first place? Well.. Im glad she admitted her faults and hopefully can teach next generation athletes what not to do .
CJ "Grimace" Hunter messed up his wife but she is also culpable in going along with it. Likely did not even need it. She can certainly pick the husbands, two snitches.
Remember she met CJ Hunter at 16 and had a missed drug test needing Jonnie Cochrane to get her out of a 4 year IAAF ban. She also missed the opportunity of an Olympic medal as a relay race reserve as a teenager. Given her years of drug abuse needing dope sheets to keep track of it all, she was likely using from the age of 16. If she was a user it would explain why she missed the opportunity of an Olympic medal at high school The problem with picking a drug cheat is that they are inherently a cheat and you shouldn't be surprised if they snitch. If she was user from 16 she would have had no choice but to have men who agreed with her choice. If you view the CIF videos of her as a high school student, it is notable she won by the same kind of massive margins she had in the Olympics. I have also noted comments by other YT users who claim to have been in her school she could duck a basket when taller boys couldn't. This raises the question, was she a user from the age of 12 ?
@@Apoc6 Worse, she clearly adept at birth control, she wanted it, which would have been a massive slap in the face to CJ Hunter, a world champion who was thrown over for somebody he would have regarded as a nobody.
She always bring back great memories when olympic games actually mattered. I was a huge when of her being 12 year old kid back then. They were all on steroids anyway and those who werent wouldn't beat her even if she was natural as well. I send my love to Marion I hope she has a nice life now
Appreciate you all for allowing us to embark on new stories of all sports. Marion Jones was a huge inspiration for this transition. She truly had a chance to be one of the most dominant athletes ever. Makes me ask the question. What would she have been Drug free?
Yes she would been considered a all time great. Got caught up in peds and being self absorb
Her then husband is the major stunned growth
You the man for doing multiple sports stunted growths jc. Bro Freddy adu!! If you do that one you know you get a double salute jc
Possibly the Greatest Athlete Of All Time... What if?
Another dope episode my dude, keep up the great narration and story telling. And branching out to other sports is a great idea too. 👌🏽
When your own life partner snitches on you..that gotta hurt on another level
If you look at videos of JC Hooker and Marion together you don't see the genuine affection of a married couple. When you see Flo Jo and Al Joyner together you can see the excitement they feel in each others presence: it is obvious either one of them would have gone to the floor for the other.
Bruh must've been butt-hurt
Good thing he did, it would have become a habit had she got away with it
amazing that she came back and is now teaching young women not to make the choices she made. salute to her and i pray she has continued success
She just had the wrong people around her, she was already fast before doing this .
Whew, I forgot everyone lost their medals because of her! Yikes!
Really because I was doing some idle research the other day and found out that the other relay runners won their case and got to keep their medals
Not everyone. The relay 4x4 team still got to keep their medals
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I assume the team beaten by the cheat got their medal upgrades.
@@michaeledwards2251 No. The positions stayed as they were. Only Marion had to hand back her medal. Nothing else changed
All the black ones gotta go when caught doping
My dad and I LOVED her, watched all her races, and considered her a darling of the T&F sport. To say that the enormity of the hurt when she was caught cheating was a lot, is an understatement. I think she chose the wrong company from the start, poor choices (husbands), who both just shackled her to a ball and chain and tossed her overboard. It was devastating to watch the downfall, it made my dad and I basically lose faith in humanity. For what it is worth, I am so glad that she is giving back in the small things she is doing, especially in shaping young minds and showing the consequences of bad choices. Keep running Marion, it is just a different race now. We are still rooting for you.
I love her so much.
Her supposed giving back is to avoid the IAAF taking legal action for the return of $ 700 000 of IAAF prize money she obtained by cheating. She has to take the stance she does to avoid them demanding their prize money back with interest. Even if their case was weak they could win by greater financial weight alone.
As to her husbands tossing her overboard, they knew she wouldn't hesitate to condemn them if she thought she could get away with it.
There is no reason to believe she wasn't doping from the age of 12 onwards. For example she needed Jonnie Cochrane at 16 to get her out of a 4 year IAAF ban, the same year she met JC Hooker. She also avoided the chance of an Olympic medal as a race relay reserve, she could have gotten an Olympic medal without even having to run.
@@michaeledwards2251 Very interesting take there, thx ME. In the end, I think there is always going to be benefit from her steering young minds from ending up in such pitfalls, even if it is motivated by her just anting keep the money and save face.
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For sure her admitted downfall and imprisonment is an important reminder to those contemplating doping. The US laws against doping have recently being toughened, allowing the application of 10 year prison sentences, with Blessing, a Nigerian living in the US, being likely to be made an example of.
Are you aware Marion Jones was convicted for her part in a $ 5 million cheque fraud for which she should have received a 10 year sentence. The FBI maintained their authority by ensuring she got a 6 month sentence for cheek : lying to the FBI.
If you listen to end of her supposed confession of doping, after multiple references to her family being mad at her, at the end she makes a confession of being dishonest, in other words it is a public statement that she took part in the cheque fraud she had been convicted of, at no point does she admit to doping despite being convicted in open court of being a doper.
The US Government true attitude towards Marion Jones was given away by the fact the first month of her 6 month sentence was spent in solitary.
Another reason why I find Marion Jones objectionable is the way her obvious doping when competing against a field of clean athletes spread doping. The 2000 Sidney Olympics 100 meters race, with the exception of Marion Jones, was clean.
See the video MARION JONES Z SCORE for details. The W-distribution, a modification of the normal distribution for small sample sizes should have been used, and MJ should not have been considered part of the sample, the race pack. Even so she is shown to be statistically significantly different from the pack.
In the 2001 World Championship 100 meters race Marion Jones was beaten. The manner of her defeat demonstrated she is not a true elite athlete. She lacked the ability to maintain her form under race pressure despite not suffering pain. Pintusevich demonstrated her true elite status by maintaining perfect form despite reaching the pain barrier and collapsing afterwards.
The mark of a true elite athlete is the ability to make a 0.5 % advantage definitive.
I agree totally! Great comment!💯👌
As a life long track athlete, thank you for this story! Looking forward to your continued content outside of basketball
Was competing at all the big meets with her in high school. She is the best female athlete I've ever seen. She held the high school 100, 200 and long jump records at one time in high school. I saw her dunk a basketball and she's under 6 foot. That's amazing for a man. She got involved with the wrong crowd, she never needed drugs just hard work. Her talent was supernatural.
You should do a video - tell your story.
She was prob taking drugs in high school too. Cheating her whole career I bet. You're not the best then randomly just take drugs 😂.
Do you really think the blame is on the "crowd" or the person who said "Yes"?
@leonardodalongisland It's her fault, but when your husband the person who's supposed to look out for her is pushing it to her, that's a problem. But she chose him so hey.
Same can be said of drug addicts or alcoholics-they too often put themselves with other abusers.
She’s in the same category as lance armstrong great athletes who didn’t need it. Then they threw athletes under the bus to protect themselves
Whether Lance and Marion did or didn't need performance enhancing drugs would have depended on their ultimate goals.
Lance wanted to win the Tour de France multiple times. Marion wanted to win multiple gold medals at the olympics and world championships. So in their cases, they actually DID need performance enhancing drugs to win at the highest levels of their sport. If both athletes competed at a much lower level, sure, they didn't need drugs. But to be the best of the best in the world in sports, they definitely needed them.
When Armstrong was competing the peleton was 100% doped because there was no test for EPO and everyone knew it. Therefore, you didn't just need to dope in order to win, you needed to dope in order to make the time limits and have a pro cycling career..
ehh yes & no. Cycling is notorious for doping. Everyone at the top level does it. Olympics on the other hand is alot harder in terms of testing for steroids
@@surgicalboxing1551 agreed it’s takes a team doctors agents coaches to mask and pull this off
She's far worse. The opposition didn't cheat. View the video Marion Jones Z score and you will realise all the 100 meter opposition ran clean. Why ? Because 10 years before the East German were exposed and the consequences of steroid doping were exposed: females turning into males, heart problems, organ damage, fertility and child damage, with a long term kicker: severe osteoporosis so bad the spinal column collapses causing intense agony.
All the opposition knew she was using, how ? When you inject steroids your hormone levels are destabilised causing steroid rages she couldn't hide.
Additionally she proved she would be nothing without drugs, how ? In the 2001 World Championships when she was under pressure in the 100 meters by Pintusevich, her form collapsed. To win clean you have to make a margin of 0.5 % or less count.
In other comments I have remarked I believe she corrupted Thanou by depriving her of the Gold Medal she had fought 10 years for. Remember in 2004 no prospect existed Jones could be exposed and Thanou would have felt enraged at this.
I personally at one time was a teammate with her on the Jr Olympics team to go to Spain in 92. WOW you wouldn't believe the pressure. I have so many stories no one could imagine. Love your channel. Stay bless 😘
Tell them stories G
There was no Junior Olympic team for Spain in 92
She and I ran for West Coast Express before high school. She's been a beast.
I had a big crush on her as a youngn! I kept that ESPN the Magazine where she was on the cover for the longest 😆
Kept the magazine until the pages got sticky
Facts
@@ericdiaz153 BIG FACTS
You and me both.
Lmao me too
Crazy how she choose to be with 2 steroid users and they both flipped on her
Given BALCO was being investigated their choices were either sell her out or go to jail and hope she would fight for them. Since she obviously won't, their choice was made for them.
Tremendously done, you're a great storyteller. Very excited for this series, can't wait for Jamarcus Russell.
I still am stuck on the blank film tapes with JaMarcus.
@Westside Chicago naw cam succeeded in every level of football. He's won awards on every level. at one point he was the highest paid quarter back in the league. League mvp and took a team to the super bowl. He also never got caught cheating the game. If he deserves a stunted growth with his accomplishments, then its thousands more that deserves one before him. His story is still being written.
Drugs
Plz do Jamarcus Russell
She has one of the most beautiful smile
Facts.
Her snaggletooth game was on point.
Am so loving her as a person, its just a pity what happen had to happen but, life goes on.
I still love her nonetheless. Everyone make mistakes.
Its easy to smile when you know you don't have to go through the pain barrier to win. Her smile was one of contempt for her honest opponents.
She was my inspiration growing up, and just so happens, We went to see her in Atlanta, Ga when I was younger, we had front row tickets because an older cousin worked there, she said words on the microphone and when she was finished, she waved at me and my brother and I was instantly paralyzed and I didn't wave back because I was in too much shock, it still hurts to think about it tbh😭
I'm digging the new series, can't wait for future installments.
She was beast playing basketball 🏀.She average 15-5-5 with 3 steals
Yup. Was nice. And won a chip.
Yes sir!!!
Wonder if she was on drugs at that time..guarantee drug testing was lenient back then
It was her first sport
I remember seeing her play in college with the Tara Heels
How about a video about the athletes that got cheated out of medals by athletes who knowingly cheated.
Its not cheating when everyone is doing it.
I still love Marion. She was one of my favorite track athletes back then. I had constantly stood by and defended her when she was suspected of using PEDs. But when she finally had admitted to using them, I was completely devastated. I remember shedding tears when she gave that heartbreaking speech. I was happy to see her playing basketball again in the WNBA for those 2 years. Happy now that she's doing better for herself and teaching young future athletes about the dangers and consequences of using PEDs.
She legit was better than the competition for a period. I just think the pressure to live up to the lofty expectations bestowed upon her caused her to seek a leg up in the 🏁.
How was she better when she cheated… And probably was always on steroids!
I usually try not to blame men in these situations but it was totally her husband's fault. If he was already in to that stuff and he got her when she was 16
@@wc6081 I wouldn't say always. I think it's something she used to get by as she aged plus she had a laundry list of injuries that began to pile up as she got older.
@@chillywilliedfw9093 Yeah and I’m a billionaire… Them people who go that route don’t just start… Look at the Great Ken Griffey Jr… All the injuries and never did steroids to recover or slow down the aging process… He accepted his fate… Steroid users always were cheaters! Liars and cheated their sports! Filth!
@@wc6081 but Barry bonds was a beast even before the roids. Some people really do start as pressure to continue greatness increases. Not everyone goes in from jump saying I’m gonna cheat. Not sure where you got that
"could have won without doping" Marion Jones, Lance Armstrong and every damn cheater says the same shit.
a cheater is a cheater for life regardless.
Especially since the people they were up against were on drugs too
Hów do you know that ,tell us the other women who were an drugs?
Facts!
I hate that 😠
@@neilnelmar8007 u think they don't have their picks and chooses i can guarantee if the last place runner doesn't get exposed for PEDS if they're caught bcuz really who cares
I remember when she confessed about her ped use I was like not surprised her 2 exes used ped
Multiple coaches, exes. She was on board.
Yep!!! Especially big “C”. I’d like to get her opinion on today’s athletes. Keep doing ya thing bro!!!✌🏾👍🏾👊🏽
Just like Sha'Carri right now. Not saying she's using but look at the ppl around her
@@kurt2422 that’s not a fair assessment. The people around ShaCarri aren’t using drugs presently. Actually their(Justin Gatlin and Dennis Mitchell) old coach(Trevor Graham) also coached Marion and when they were under him is when they used/got popped for PEDS. ShaCarri trains with many more athletes who don’t and never had any issues.
@@kurt2422 at one point she may have to. Maybe she was on it and stop who knows.
I read her book and felt as if she felt she was the victim because she had to do time, not because her actions placed her in that situation in the first place!!!!
Uh, while this was a great documentary, those three athletes you mentioned with 'killer instinct' was a pretty good list, but Edwin Moses, in track and field, was the ultimate in killer instinct...His sheer dominance over over a 10 year period of being UNDEFEATED IN EVERY RACE HE ENTERED is the most underrated track and field record ever.
Good comment I appreciate that.
Edwin Moses was untouchable!
I remember Marion Jones when she was a youngster in the L.A. area. She was a great athlete since she was a young girl. I believe she allowed herself to be unduly influenced by others around her. This was a tragedy for her. A quest for fame led her astray.
Rubbish. She cheated. It’s nobody else’s fault but her own.
More like a quest for $. Basketball would have paid well, especially with advertising $, but athletics focuses on the individual giving greater opportunity for $.
Given her size relative to her high school competition, and the Olympics, her documented years of systematic cheating, and meeting JC Hooker at 16, the possibility arises she was abusing HGH Human Growth Hormone from 16 onwards. She planned to get 5 Gold medals to maximise her advertising revenue.
She was a beast before 16. We ran together for West Coast Express. She came from basketball and dominated. She NEVER needed the peds. She was persuaded after giving birth.
She tired to dominate as many events as she could. She was addicted to it. That's what pushed her. She wanted to win everything.
You mean she wanted the $. She got millions in advertising revenue. It's not the advertisers I feel sorry for, they got their money back 10 times over and more, it's clean athletes she cheated of $ 700 000 of IAAF prize money. The only sanction ? She is unable to compete in IAAF events until she returns the money. In her so called confession of doping she covered her cheating of $ 700 000 from other athletes by saying "Due to my actions I am retiring from athletics".
Cheat cheat cheat cheat cheat cheat cheat cheat cheat cheat cheat Jones is a total disgrace to athletics
Is their any clean athlete
Oh, yea I like the direction you're headed, sir! Keep up the impeccable work!
I rather lose doing my best than use performance drugs and cheat.Losing builds Character. Salute Marion Jones as she changed her life,God bless.
Her & Lance broke my heart. Loved her @ NC womens basketball
She finally found love. Her current husband is a good man. Hope they stay together.
Till this day i still feel bad for those ladies who got their medals stripped. I'm sure they shot their fade with marion for that fiasco.
This is the same as a dude turning his girl into a crackhead
Lol this is a little bit different. And thank God Marion turned into a juice head, and not a crack head.
There is something about the way she keeps pretending she didn't know she was taking drugs makes me suspect her high school performances. It may well have been a case of a user looking for a source.
You Either Die A Hero, Or You Live Long Enough To See Yourself Become The Villain
only because they were the villain all along
@@MegaAtOh the Villain from the very start
So original.
She never was the hero she just played the part.
@@SP-qo3pd I'm so friggin proud of myself
I was 14 yrs old when she dominated Sydney in 2000. Marion Jones this, Marion Jones that... she was the one during that time
I actually first saw her playing basketball as a freshman at North Carolina. She was so fast on the court
Even worse is all of her relay teammates got their medals taken, I’m sure she really regrets doing it.
Given she never returned the $ 700 000 in IAAF prize money she obtained by cheating, and has never mentioned she wished she had done so, I doubt it.
@@michaeledwards2251 did Marion hurt you??😅🤣
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She's an outrageous cheat. Her activities triggered a wave of doping in response with potentially devastating health consequences.
I doubt all her team mates were clean, drug use is so unbelievable widespread at the top level. The ones who get caught are the tip of the iceberg
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Probably all knew about CLEAR, THG, and were customers for BALCO.
Only the biggest names got mentioned in BALCO. Over 80 Base ball players had cases against them dropped. How many others, simply don't know. How many others bribed Victor Conte to destroy records and keep quiet , unknown. His lack of testimony against others was the reason for his jail sentence.
(He doesn't strike me as a man of honour.)
I really liked Marion Jones, I had a crush on her! I could not believe it when she admitted to using steroids! She seemed like the perfect example of an athlete! I use to talk about her being the perfect female athlete that I would pick to play with me if I had to pick a girl. I still cannot believe it, but something about her I still like.
Who you tellin bruh I felt the same way 💯
Yup,,,,,something about her
Me three! Hot fit sexy black woman with that smile😍😍😋😋
I did too (had a crush on her). She did not need that whatever she took. She could have won those medals without it and we would be talking about how great of a champion she was. But she made her choice and admitted to it.
I remember her in high school. She’d show up at meets and got treated like a pro. Watching her run was almost magical. She would have absolutely been able to dominate without drugs. It’s a shame we’ll never truly know.
This is a lie. If she could dominate without it why did she take it? She is still making excuses.
@@onlinesmurf what’s the lie? She was breaking records as a high schooler and was pretty dominant before the drugs. It’s not a reach to suggest she’d be pretty impressive without the drugs. And what excuses did she make?
@@CHEETAH69 everyone at the world level was super impressive that is why it is the world level. Athletes know there chance of winning and that is why they cheat. She is just a cheater and now is trying to downplay it saying I didn't need it I would have still won. Most ped cheaters use this lie.
I do really believe she would had won anyway.
@@onlinesmurf no most don’t say that. Jones was one of the fastest prep athletes ever. She’d won Worlds twice and was ranked #1 in the world for 3 straight years before she started using. Spending time on “what if’s” seems a bit fruitless. But it’s not far fetched to hypothesize she’d be one of the fastest without them.
Love the new series! Keep going! Just PLEASE don’t change the background music! It’s just right
I got you. thanks!
I like it too
I was a young kid in school when finding out in real time that she took steroids. I didn't know what exactly steroids were at the time but knew she cheated in some way and was so disappointed. No lie, that changed my whole view on sports in general.
Man, I loved Marian Jones. She was/ is beautiful and strong. Tragic.
Thank you for all you do!!! Keep you growth going!!!
All is vanity and a vexation to the soul.
Marion was a physical and athletic marvel. She didn't need PEDs to be successful. Such a shame but also a cautionary tale.
She was so talented, until she got involved with CJ Hunter
I asked a US Sprinter who ran in the 2000 Games if Marion was as good looking in person as she was in pictures. He said, "I never looked because CJ was always around
LOL
@@Obkerry 😂😂😂
Had the biggest crush on her when I was a youngster
Marion Jones was a ball player, she should've played basketball!
Okay...if you say.
@@greatdimitri1049 Her speed was first discovered on the court. She won NCAA Championship her freshman year. After track, she went on to play in the WNBA.
We ran TAC together...now called AAU.
Marion Jones!!💖🤗🌹🌻🌺💜🌹🙏🏾 i always like to see her 🏃 RUN!! THIS YOUNG LADY IS ONE OF THE BEST!! I MISS THE RACES SHE RAN!! GOD BLESS HER LIFE!🙏🏾🌹🌻💜
I knew this girl personally. She was an athletic beast as a child. No drugs needed.
Ladies, never let your SELF ESTEEM depend on a man's view of you. Love yourself!!!
Cj Hunter was being SUPER petty when they divorced, and started singing like Will Downing on his ex wife. This whole ordeal was sad FR. Leave them drugs alone people.
Dude sang like he was in the Opera.
Yeah, it looks to me like this was retaliation for her leaving him for another guy... she was dating another track guy at that tyme that she had a kid with shortly thereafter... the time-line is too close...
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i remember he had retired at that point so he would have felt he had little to lose: the revenge motive was still there but no constraint on the danger to his career.
@@michaeledwards2251 Facts
Bro Freddy aduuuuuu! Jc doing soccer and other sports stories now, salute jc!
The sad thing about this is she did not need the drugs. On the female end you can't coach 5'10 pure athleticism. I would watch her play basketball and marveled at her talent. I ran the 1500 in high school and college and often wondered how she competed at a high level in the 100, 200, and 400 meter individual races. Not to mention the relays. I chalked it up to her being a force of nature. It did not help her any that Allyson Felix (another Cali phenom) came right behind her.
I certainly don't want to defend using PED's. However, I do want to correct you on something. Using PED's doesn't allow you to skip the hard work. The advantage come from the exact opposite. PED's allow athletes to work out harder and longer than clean athletes can. It's sad that so many athletes choose to go this route since they actually are willing to put in the work. I think some start using because they are told they have to because "everybody else is taking them".
I was about to comment the same thing. That error totally put me off.
No one talks about recovery from the hard work. It is IMO, about the recovery. That in itself is the hook. After experiencing distinct and full re-ups after hard long workouts, fast recovery becomes the hook.
its true you need to work hard to get the benefits
hard work is easy though because the peds help you recover in 24 hours ive ran track those sprint workouts will tax you for 3 days these guys recover in one day and can blast off again the next day fully fresh with another speed workout where a clean guy has to have his system recover fully or you will be flat and not as strong in the workouts that is propbably what he means by skip the hard work because recovery is very hard. With PEDS its easy because its as if you never even worked out the day before so you can do another hard workout the next day.
I suggest you watch the video Marion Jones Z score and you will realise all her opposition were running clean. They both the times and in the statistical distribution clean athletes would be expected to achieve. Jones knew her opposition were clean and determined to take advantage in order to become a multi-millionaire. Her plan was working until the BALCO scandal and her involvement in a cheque fraud scheme. She was exposed because the people she was associating with didn't want to pay their debts.
She was brilliant and I agree she didn't need to do that to win, I think she did it to chase records
As a kid, I looked up to her and Dominique dawes
Still was great to me
Mmm...Dominique Dawes ...oh to be 14 again!
She was a fraud
Great Series 💯💯💯 and Marion Jones is so pretty 🤩🔥
Great video. However, NPD or Narcissism is in NO WAY a positive attribute or personality trait. Being motivated, focused, driven, competitive and confident in your abilities is one thing. Narcissism is an entirely different thing altogether.
Facts those traits are trash in all forms
Marion proved that muscles on a woman can be a huge turn on.
*PAUSE* ⏸
@@ericdiaz153 PLAY ▶️
Give your Woman some PED’s. Simple
Fr fr 💯
I feel sorry for Marion Jones.I feel she was harshly treated.She should not have gone to jail for lying to the FBI. A lot of athletes like Mark Mcguire, Barry bonds and Is Rafael Palmero.All lied to Congress, yet never suffered Marion Jones fate.But for her to say she would have won without drug.Is a fairy tale.If she could have won without drugs, she would have.
I remember back in the day her smoking the LB poly girls track team super fast she didn't need steroids but the pressure got to her I still love her stay up boo
I’ve spent some time around her.. I don’t think she was narcissistic, and seemed really caring. Hope she’s doing well
Caring??? She stole the life's work of other athletes who played by the rules. She did this without remorse. I ran track and I can tell you coming in second and fourth sucks. She knew this but cheated anyway. It's hard to imagine how the women who placed second on the biggest stage in sports must feel. The loss of endorsement money, prestige, and historical relevance. Then to spend years going out of her way to criticize others who got caught all while lying about her doping at the highest level is classic narcissism. Where do you see the caring in that?
Ready for the Adrien Broner episode to drop already
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That’s actually a GOOD idea😎
Lmso
She came into foot locker after the scandal I served her and got her the shoes she asked for I wanted to ask for a autograph so bad but she seemed really down and was rocking a hoodie. Wish I just asked, sigh regrets 😞. Still dope I got to see her in person though 💪🏾.
I would have asked for her autograph and let her make the decision to give it.
In which city do I look at it?
Ms M Jones you are still awesome wether enhanced or not. It's great to come across a recent video of what you've accomplished.
Oh close the lid on the enhancements. I know for a fact other athletes were doing the same especially in those other countries.
As a 10 year old girl who loved sports and had natural sprinting ability, I looked up to Marion so much.
I remember watching the 2000 Olympics and screaming with joy after seeing her races. In my community there wasn't anybody I could look at as a little black girl who was running track (or doing any sport) that I could see the possibilities for myself in.
I distinctionly remember admiring everything about her and wanting be just like her "when I grow up".
I remember being devastated when this all came out. I think I even cried.
Although interestingly even at that age I never felt judgement towards her. Just sadness.
As an adult, I now have the words to explain those feelings. She made a mistake, like we all. However, in my opinion she did not deserve the public shaming directed towards her. I hope she has found happiness since and learned to forgive herself.
She deserved everything she got. Her so called confession including the statement she was retiring from athletics because of her actions. The reason ? The IAAF required her to return the $ 700 000 in prize money she got by cheating. The only sanction, she would not be allowed to compete in IAAF events until it was returned. She cheated honest athletes of $ 700 000.
Additionally she had been paid over $ 3 million in sponsorship money. She had a $ 2.5 million house and other assets. It is scarcely credible she was reduced to a few thousand $ in her bank account after been caught.
Remember this is not a matter of a simple mistake made impulsively but a plan systematically executed over several years. Additionally she met JC Hooker when she was 16. If you see how big she is in relation to her opposition, height and width, as a high school student and how big she was in the Olympics, the questions arises, was she using Human Growth Hormone from the age of 16 to increase her adult height and strength ?
Her opposition ran clean Why Because the East German athletes had been exposed and the consequences of their drug usage shown
Females turning into males, Heart problems, Organ damage, Fertility loss, Children suffering damage as well, and a long term kicker: severe osteoporosis causing spinal collapse causing intense agony. The above is only a sample of the bad side effects which induced any sensible athlete to run clean.
If you want to find confirmation the opposition ran clean see the video Marion Jones Z score. If you ignore Marion Jones, Thanou who should have won, and the last runner, there is a pack of 5 with a mean of 11.2 seconds and a standard deviation of about 20 milliseconds. The probability of Thanou time, less than !% faster than the pack mean, in a race of 8 is 40%.
The probability of Marion Jones time, 10.75, if she followed the pack distribution is less than 1 in billion.
(Remember to use the W distribution as a pack of 5 is below the size where the Normal distribution is an appropriate approximation. )
She would have been a first rate athlete but not an Olympic medalist. She began cheating in high school - she had to be represented by superlawyer Johnnie Cochrane. She was a narcissist. She fooled me completely!
No reason to believe she wasn't cheating at 12.
She was not cheating at 12. We ran together. She dominated.
Marion i believe you would have won without drugs also , i first saw you in high school at the state track meet, at that point i knew she would be great.
I use to watch her @ North Carolina N she was unstoppable scoring whenever she wanted she was dominant as well as track N field she made both sports look EASYWORK.......
Got with two Agents who undermined her greatness due to there failures.....
Poor Marian Jones, I am 11 years her senior, I've always loved watching sprinters do their thing, she was no exception. I first saw her in Sports Illustrated on the back cover where they highlight outstanding high school athletes. I followed her career, and rooted for her to do big things in track, and she did not disappoint. It was so sad watching her fall from grace in her professional career!😢 She didn't need to use drugs! I wish she'd walked away from drug using CJ as soon as he revealed to her that he was a user. I was such a big fan of Marian, namesake, I am a Jones myself! Being involved with CJ destroyed her career, so sad.
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I always thought Marion was an elite athlete as well as a cutie!! I hope she as come full circle and got her life back on track..No pun!
No drugs cheat is elite.
She was MOST DEFINITELY NOT AN ELITE ATHLETE. She was a cheater
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She proved just that in 2001 World Athletes 100 meter race. When she was under pressure her form fell apart. The mark of an elite athlete is the ability to maintain form under maximum pressure and make a margin of 0.5% definitive.
I'd have to read her book to figure out how much her husband's dirty ways influenced her choices. He tested dirty, which drew attention to her in the first place, then, he turned his back on her and testified against her. This story is crazy.
Marion Jones is one of the greatest ever! She did what everyone else in the game did. She is beautiful, accomplished, and a gorgeous athlete!!
I used to admire her a lot in 2000 olympics. Her smile is mesmerising. Its unfortunate what happened in her life.
Good shit bruh.. U couldn't have picked a better athlete to start with.. I loved Marion.. U definitely should keep this going with the other sport's stunted growth as well as bball
I gotta say, your content is SUPER dope bro. Love the channel and features you bring. Salute!!!
This was a Good episode 👌🏾u should do episodes on her disgraced teammates Maurice Green & Tim Montgomery 💻🔥
This has to be the saddest of all the videos posted here. I was such a huge fan of hers. And had the biggest crush on her back in the day. So disappointing how her track life turned out.
Marion was the truth. PERIOD!
FACTS 💯
Marion was a total fraud brah. Track is measured in milliseconds, those first-place finishes would have maybe made the metal stand, maybe. But those chicks that finished second and fourth, she robbed them of life's highest sports achievements and did it while talking trash about other cheaters. She got just what she deserved.
@@bjt81366 NEGATIVE... She was a gifted athlete who dominated track... oh and was a beast in HOOP too. Don't deny her talent bro.. sorry you feel the way you feel.. obviously you're passionate about the losers... perhaps you experience loss in competitions in your life time... still doesn't change the fact she is one of the greatest track runners ever!... Do you say the Same about Reggie Bush losing his Heisman?? Did he not earn it or not? His momma took money, is he still not great? Did he not make those plays or not??? Do you say the same about Bonds, McGuire or Sosa????.... Pete Rose doesn't deserve to be in Canton because he gambled? Doesn't change the fact they're great bro... Last I saw, steroids don't change you're eye and swing coordination... Marion Jones was great period.
@@mistakeef Whatever dude, you like cheaters that's you being you. I can tell you this, you never completed in any serious sport. You can come back and lie, but anyone who has and wasn't a cheat would never agree with you. So go ahead and hit back with some lame lie like you actually played something more than checkers. Couch boy.
That was interesting take on Ms. Jones. Particularly the part about narcissism. I never thought of that probably because I always associated narcissism with being evil something that I never attributed to Ms. Jones. Just thought she got caught up. To be honest though I hadn't heard all those comments she made were she shamed other athletes for using PED's which is crazy since she did that while being on PED's herself.
Her husbands did her dirty but she was still an adult who made an adult decision to do wrong. It's cool that she bounced back though and is doing well now.
Yeah, that makes sense. I’ve also associated narcissism with something evil and bad. But I was reading an article a few years back, and the U.K. did a study and said that doctors - more specifically, surgeons - tend to exude narcissistic, Machiavellianism and psychopathy traits. So maybe in a way, narcissism can be a relatively good trait, if applied correctly. I’m not sure. But I found that study to be intriguing.
@@sabrina.natalie Yeah I could see that. Not sure if you're into Marvel movies but the film Dr. Strange basically personified that idea in the beginning.
I'm thinking that in order to do that kind of work where you routinely have another human being's life in your hands has to on some level lead to some degree of arrogance because if a person in that situation doubted themselves then disastrous things would happen.
That does sound like something I would want to read as well.
I'm not saying she wasn't wrong for what she did, but those husbands were wooz/losers who didn't deserve her love!
I'm glad that though she stumbled, she was able to bounce back and be a good influencer to young people. Kind of reminds me of this quote:
"The steps of a good man are ordered by the Lord. Though he stumbles, yet he's not utterly cast down for the Lord upholds him with His hands"!
Alot of athletes do that, while doing the same.
It s easy to bounce back if you return the $ 700 000 in IAAF prize money obtained by cheating. The only sanction ? She can't compete in IAAF events until she returns the $.
To me her drive was maximum $. Why would a narcissistic turn down the opportunity of going to the Olympics as a teenager and obtain an Olympic medal without even having to run for it. (She would have been part of an alternative team. )
The way she keeps denying drug usage after being convicted of it raises the question how far back did usage go ? Given a test kit got lost at 17 and she needed Jonnie Cochrane to defend her, the question arises, was she using from the age of 12. It sounds incredible yet would explain how she was able to duck a basket ball at school when taller boys were unable to do so. Her school wins look eerily similar to her Olympic wins.
When she was forced to maintain form under pressure, the sign of a true elite, during the 2001 World Athletics Championship 100 meters, her form fell apart. She wasn't even in pain, watch how she showed no sign of exhaustion afterwards.
Spent a short amount of time with her when she played for the shock. Very sweet woman, very kind to me.
I ran with her on a USA TAC team in southern California when we were teens. She was dominant. Sad story.
You don't see much Marion Jones on CZcams which is weird. I understand the scandle but she was literally one of the biggest sports stars of the era. Also her personal best in the 100m would not have gotten her a gold medal in Tokyo.
Yes this was very very rare to see which I love 💯
Dude, she was one of the biggest sports stars of the era because she cheated. What are they going to highlight on CZcams? Her achievements were total frauds. LOL
What was her personal best
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Thank you for this story, very sad that Marion could have won her races without the drugs. I hope current athletes like Sha'carri get to view this video.
If she could why then did she take drugs
Even though she cheated, I'm glad she learned from her mistakes and picked herself back up and is doing well
Cheaters still cheat. I wouldn't trust her, but I'm glad to hear she's doing well.
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Are you aware she never returned the $ 700 000 in IAAF prize money she obtained by cheating ? The only sanction. She is unable to compete in IAAF events until she does so
I'm still a fan.
I always suspected Lance Armstrong, but Marion broke my heart. She was a Goddess, but her blind ambition overtook her. Testimony to her strength is her humility and willingness to share her personal story. She doesn't owe anybody anything but is making the most of it!
Marian Jones was the best. The hell with they saying about her. I saw her from the 9th grade to the 12th grade California state champion 4 years in a row
Marion would have been right up there with Serena Williams as the greatest female athlete, ever. She married two steroid cheaters in a row, and both men USED her (shot put/discus CJ Hunter, and then sprinter Tim Montgomery.) She was too naive, and the poor choices she made as a result of this destroyed her life.
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Why make excuses for her and not for others? 2 husband's who also used PEDS. Birds of a feather....
This did not destroy her life, she is fine with her life now. I think, however, concussions destroy lives!
Don't assume she was naive. Remember as a teenager
1. She needed Jonnie Cochrane to get her out of a 4 year IAAF ban.
2. She option not to get an Olympic medal as a relay reserve.
Your assuming she wasn't using before JC Hooker. The above suggests otherwise, that her choices were influenced by the need to use to maintain her career.
Too naive? Poor choices? Both men used HER? Please.....................
She knew EXACTLY what they were all about, and what they could do for HER, those angry denials of Jones notwithstanding.
She was one hell of an athlete
It’s a shame that the drug use scandal stunted her growth
I didn’t know that she played basketball 🏀 at UNC and won a National championship with the women’s team ⛹️♀️
Yes. Basketball was first. Our coach saw her speed on the court and brought her to our track team, as children. She dominated the track.
After track, she played in the WNBA
Peace bro, I've been enjoying your videos for a minute, and you definitely have some great content! I've watched from a guest account so I couldn't add likes, but I'm going to watch them all again through my account to make sure you get the credit you deserve. Keep up the good work, and God Bless!
Love you and your family. Praying for you
I'm surprised there was even enough dope to go around after Flo-Jo got wind of it.
I enjoyed this bruh👍🏿👌🏿🤟🏿
I see AB on that picture...i cant wait to see that one....AB was special b4 his growth started stuntin.lol
Ab episode gonna be brazy
Everyone deserves a second chance. She deserves forgiveness. She admitted her wrongs. I truly thought she was a great runner. I enjoyed watching her run.
Wish her all the best in her future endeavours.
No second chances in cheatimg.its a moral thing .
what about the other athletes that was stolen a medal due to her taking drugs. if she nows says she would have won even if she didnt take any. why did she take drugs in the first place? Well.. Im glad she admitted her faults and hopefully can teach next generation athletes what not to do .
What a gem ❤
CJ "Grimace" Hunter messed up his wife but she is also culpable in going along with it. Likely did not even need it. She can certainly pick the husbands, two snitches.
CJ was hot because she left him and got pregnant by another dude. That is why he snitched.
Remember she met CJ Hunter at 16 and had a missed drug test needing Jonnie Cochrane to get her out of a 4 year IAAF ban. She also missed the opportunity of an Olympic medal as a relay race reserve as a teenager. Given her years of drug abuse needing dope sheets to keep track of it all, she was likely using from the age of 16. If she was a user it would explain why she missed the opportunity of an Olympic medal at high school
The problem with picking a drug cheat is that they are inherently a cheat and you shouldn't be surprised if they snitch. If she was user from 16 she would have had no choice but to have men who agreed with her choice.
If you view the CIF videos of her as a high school student, it is notable she won by the same kind of massive margins she had in the Olympics. I have also noted comments by other YT users who claim to have been in her school she could duck a basket when taller boys couldn't. This raises the question, was she a user from the age of 12 ?
@@michaeledwards2251 He was mad that another dude was skeetin in that and got her pregnant.
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I nver said his motive wasn't revenge. I was answering the implicit questiion Why 2 drug cheats
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Worse, she clearly adept at birth control, she wanted it, which would have been a massive slap in the face to CJ Hunter, a world champion who was thrown over for somebody he would have regarded as a nobody.
If you're an athlete people can sabotage you or your results as well, there's nothing you can do
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She always bring back great memories when olympic games actually mattered.
I was a huge when of her being 12 year old kid back then.
They were all on steroids anyway and those who werent wouldn't beat her even if she was natural as well.
I send my love to Marion
I hope she has a nice life now
Armstrong and Jones in that era 99% was on the juice..still love them both❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤