2021 vs 2020 Toyota Supra - Which One Is Better?
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- čas přidán 3. 07. 2024
- The 2021 Toyota Supra arrives at dealers this June. It comes with an upgraded engine, revised suspension, updated steering tuning and a host of other minor improvements. However, some 2020 owners have said that the updated engine making 382hp and +3 ft-lbs has them feeling left out.
We decided to set the records straight and directly compare a stock 2020 Toyota Supra against a 2021 Supra on the same roads back to back. We tested the handling, suspension and the engine. To see how quick the 2021 is, we pitted it against a tuned 2020 Supra with a downpipe and E30 fuel.
Find out if the 2021 is as good as Toyota claims!
Tune info available at www.counterspacegarage.com
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Good to see some new updates for the new Supra after even the first year!
Can't wait to see what's there in store for the new Supra!
Having driven a 2020 the whole weekend before I bought my 2021, I can definitely say the 21' is faster and feels more planted. Most obvious difference for me we're the exhaust crackles being more tame on the 21.
Glad you're enjoying it!
I've noticed the same also. Pulls stronger in the higher rpm and less pops. So my assumption that the 21 didn't pop as much was not just me then. Lol.
mrjjthor Thor Only 1-2 pops on over run. Toyota dialed them out. You can add them back with a tune easy.
@@revmatchtv actually I hate the pops. I'm glad Toyota dialed them out. Lol
If I am at a dealership, is there a way to visually spot the difference between a 20 and 21?
The wind buffeting is still there in the 2021 lol
is there at least an accessory to fix it?
Wind buffeting is still there. It can be fixed with $3 of foam from Home Depot or you can spend $80 on something that looks nice.
@@terrorriizz Yup there is.
Not a problem just use you AC and heater 😉 👍 I literally NEVER put my window down I love my privacy. Hell, Toyota can seal them shut for all I care lol
zalien6 and im a bad ass and like to bump music with my windows down :P
Great video - thanks for the time you put into this platform and sharing the feedback and information found
Glad you liked it :)
“There is not much of a difference” is of course what all 2020 owners will say 😪...
I tried to be as unbiased as possible. Check out Matt Maran Motoring for another perspective. He doesn't own one.
If you(anyone) can’t feel the hp difference in the 3.0, it’s morgue time!
so do you already own a 2021 at the time of your comment? I doubt that lol
David Horne You’re basing your opinion on what you’ve read and seen on the Internet right? I’m basing mine on driving them for 2 days and also data from this specific example.
RevMatchTV I’m interested in a ‘21, and have driven a ‘20. I seriously doubt that Toyota/BMW would go to the trouble of engine changes to get the same results as the ‘20. Kind of counterproductive?
Great video as always Eric!
Thanks Duncan :)
My 2020 is still stock! Except for the Pedal Commander. You wouldn’t believe how much of a difference a PC makes! Great video! Thanks!!
This car is simply wonderful I just received mine from Austria it took me 3 months to get this car here to Seattle Washington but it was worth every minute of waiting it's incredible the way you accelerate and brake and you don't even feel it it's very delicate when it comes to accelerate and brake.
I have the 2021 Supra GR and they did a wonderful job with the exterior design .
and yes I do feel the difference between the 2020 and 2021 . Great video
Glad you're enjoying it! It's really a fun car.
RevMatchTV it really is!!! Thank you for the amazing review
Great informative video. I’m an M2 competition driver, but love the Supra
I haven't driven them back to back yet, but I hope to.
Can’t wait for the 2021 to come out!....so I can get a launch edition 2020
Boom!
LMFAO FACTS
superb coverage! We need to get a hold of one to review also ;)
Glad you enjoyed it!
Hey Eric!!
Great review man! That’s coming from your fellow A90 nitro yellow bro haha! I appreciate how you include a tuned A90 in this comparison. Most people do not realize that the A90 has so much untapped potential from the factory! As the after market community continues to tinkle with Ecutek and racerom I anticipate the A90 will continue to impress and surpass expectations. It looks like shops are figuring out how to dial in full E85 tunes now. I love my 2020 and I am sure the 2021 owners will love their cars. It is an amazing build by Toyota! I am still learning about this car a few thousand miles in. We need to do that photoshoot Eric! ;)
As for the whole bumpstop issue people talk about, I have never experienced this issue and I push this car to its limit pretty often.
-Ron
Glad you enjoyed it! I think almost no one will experience the the loose rear condition except under track conditions and only fairly experienced drivers as well. It simply does not appear in canyons at high speeds in my experience and I've driven my car hard quite a lot.
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Nice, I wanted to see that
Glad you enjoyed it
Appreciate your time and effort in this video. Made me feel a bit better on my 2020 lol. Have a great day bro. Catch up with u soon on Instagram about our conversation.
Chat with you there!
Thanks RevMatchTV, although I have mix opinion about the new Supra, but still, I like this car for what it is. A car for car enthusiast. More power to your channel, thanks again.
Appreciate it!
Cue the haters who haven't driven either, , needs a manual, needs a 2jz, the 2020 owners are screwed ..........blah blah
Thanks for the comparison !!! Ill keep my 2020
Let them do their thing! FYI, the tuned car is much faster than a C8 from a roll.
Fantastic car. Just too much BMW for some of us. Sorry, dawg. Enjoy it though!
It needs a manual for sure!!
Wouldn't waste my money on the BMW..
It well eventually blow up or leave you stranded on the streat...ill keep my 1994 supra mkiv TWIN TURBO. All my vin numbers are from Toyota not one panel is from as Austria aka BMW....its a nice car but not nor will ever be a true supra ...
Paul Sandoval It is way more reliable and the new supra is better than 1994. Just because u never drove a 2020 supra before does not mean that ur 1994 supra is better.
I think the review is unbiased, plus the 2020 model came out underrated as well, so there's always a chance it beats a 2021 but that is only relative to how much 2021 numbers are underrated as well. Great review loved it!!
I put a lot of effort into this one in a short period of time!
Awesome video, thanks, I think I’m getting the 2020 with a huge discount. thanks
Nice Les Paul
You’ll enjoy it!
Mahdista salman that is my 2005 standard you should see my video of my custom shop Vivian Campbell les Paul signature
Putting a lot of lives at danger for this review. Thank you.....
Thanks for bringing the quality content! I gotta ask if you’re sure that you drove them both hard enough to really feel what the suspension was like? None of the driving in the video seemed quick enough to really make the car work hard but maybe you pushed it a bit harder off camera?
I had the 2021 at pretty ridiculous speeds in the canyons the day after but the footage was not good so it didn’t make the final cut. Suspension wise there is minimal difference. It’s mainly just a very mild update to the dampers to give them more rebound and a little more roll stiffness. I had my 2020 on the track today and it’s such a joy to drive fast. It’s a wildly capable chassis. Here’s my session from today. Only my second time at this track and second time on track with the Supra but it’s extremely easy to control. The suspension in these cars is fantastic. Here’s my session czcams.com/video/SvmA5V74cPg/video.html
Do a video on rare jdm cars like nissan skyline r32 zero r
If I can find one...
RevMacthTv I am looking at buying a supra depending on this new z reveal just thinking maybe i should wait a bit longer if there is a chance Toyota will do a manual car.
Do you think there's a good chance we get a manual down the road i feel like if the z comes in stick the supra would follow suit but maybe not just wondering your 2 cents on if you see that happening at all or if i should give up hope an just get a slap stick. Thanks love your channel sir!
Ive driven both and now own the 2021. There is a major difference. Mostly in steering and suspension.
I also drove both and felt the 2021 pulled stronger in the higher rpm range.
I mean i can get a brand new 2020 premium at $49k , and $3500 cash rebate , I’ll stick with a 2020.
If i were in the market right now that's what i'd do.
Main reason I got my 2020
Where is this rebate at
@@eduardo9163 It's on the Toyota website. Google $3500 rebtate toyota supra
The new updates on the 2021 Supra does make it a better car!
While the new ZF auto is brilliant, a manual transmission would be nice for this car
It’s a nice, incremental upgrade. Will be interesting to see how much power can be made with the new engine.
I won't be upset about the lack of manuals as long as i get to decide when i shift gears with the paddles
The 8HP is a very good auto
@@revmatchtv does it have paddle shifters?
FalconGamer58 it does
@@revmatchtv that's nice! I'll keep it in consideration
I've owned them both. The 2021, feels lot quicker, it handles better as well. The 2020 model has more low down torque but doesn't pull as hard through the mid and upper range. The steering on the 2021 feels more direct as well.
is there a way to visually spot the difference between these 2 cars if they were sitting next to each other?
No. The 2020 in the video has red mirror covers, but aside from that they are visually identical.
@@revmatchtv Sounds like the 2021 features engine bay braces while the 2020 does not? I'm talking about anything interior and exterior.
I believe C&D put both the 2020 and 2021 on a dyno (same day) and each made their rated BHP at the wheels so the 2021 does make ~380whp+ but it is later in the rev range and doesn't fall off like the 2020. The head exhaust design and lower compression should aid the 2021 even more so than the 2020 that was already great.
In theory the 2021 should have more tuning potential
@@revmatchtv true however the 6 port design only shines after 700 hp, which at that point lol..... Up until then they are almost equal with the same tuning
@@Not_jdm_af I work with Counterspace Garage and the 2020 cars are pushing mid 600s on the dyno and more torque. The weak link is the transmission. 2 port works perfectly fine and the sad fact is that most 2021+ caars ae not tunable anyway. Everyone was all about the 6 port - in theory. Even though they never even saw a Supra, let alone owned one. In practice, there's no real difference.
@@revmatchtv oh nice!!! Dam mid 600! Lol i was close haha i read it somewhere. Ya i heard the tranny needed upgrading around mid 6 to 700. More than i would ever need 😂 i have a 20
@@Not_jdm_af my personal car on a stock turbo is around 500+ and 580 lb-ft. In the mid tune for track use it’s slightly less, but builds up less heat.
Why didn't you both start in a specific gear while in manual mode for the race and then punch it?
In retrospect, probably a good idea. The thinking at the time was to try to replicate how a lot of drivers will do pulls. My time with the car was unfortunately very limited.
Main benefit to the 2021 is it went to a standard 6 port exhaust header and ditched the 2 port built in exhaust header. Better flow and tuninf
In theory I think the 6 port will have a slower spool but flow better in higher revs. The integrated exhaust probably is faster to spool down low but bottleneck in higher revs. This review actual proves my theory.
The biggest difference is the lower compression ratio and the additional high rpm torque. Below 5,000 rpm the torque is almost identical. However, above 5,000 rpm the torque is over 40 lb ft more for the 2021 model.
If you are trying to compare them below 5,000 rpms there won’t be a significant difference.
However, on a track once you are out of 1st gear you will be around 5k rpms or more most of the time. The 2021 will shine then.
Also the lower compression ratio of the 2021 will allow much higher boost pressures without knocking. It will be easier to tune on normal pump gas.
We're able to get more boost into a 2020 because of the lower compression.
RevMatchTV the 2020 model has a higher compression ratio. That limits boost more than the lower compression ratio of the 2021 model.
mpgxsvcd You’re right - I got it backwards. 11:1 vs 10.2:1. I whip through comments quickly.
RevMatchTV no problem. It is an easy thing to get confused on. I really think the compression ratio difference needs to be explored more. There are only two other turbocharged cars being produced right now that have a compression ratio of 11:1 or higher. Neither of those cars are known for being easy to modify without changing that compression ratio.
However, there are some people with the ECUtek tune that are getting 560+ lb ft without changing anything that would reduce knock or predetonation. That honestly should be impossible with an 11:1 compression ratio and pump 93 octane gas.
That is the highest torque per liter of any production vehicle ever made currently. Something just doesn’t add up there. Either these cars are going to blow up after so many launches or they aren’t really producing that much torque on 93 octane pump gas.
Can you do another Supra video that digs into this more?
mpgxsvcd I’m tuning mine shortly and will go through the process and explain it with my tuner as best as I can.
Can you tell a difference with the added HP on the 2021 in terms of speed and power?
Too early to tell. No one's gotten their hands on any 21s to start adding power/tunes and etc.
I test drove both and the 21 is definitely faster. Pulls harder in the higher rpm.
Yo RevMatchTV; I'm happy for you and I'ma let you finish, but Savagegese has the best A90 2.0 Supra review of all time!!
His review is BONKERS good!
incredible cinematography indeed but he don't own one
He’s got one of my favorite channels. Knowing the car intimately really helped me determine the differences a typical driver would experience.
@@revmatchtv Mike's car is a beast. Even sounds like a 2JZ. Got to ride in it right after u guys filmed.. might have to pick up a '20 soon... Enjoying ur channel!
Victor's Amazing McChannel I’ve driven his car. It’s insanely fast.
Isnt having it “loose” is more fun to drive? I dont look for faster while driving on the road.
some drivers prefer it on track to help it rotate into a corner
I've seen i think 2 or 3 racing drivers ( Robert Mitchell is one of them ) talking about 2020 supra issue with the rear suspension , the car suffered form a huge bumpsteer , the rear wheels change the toe from toe in to toe out during compression and decompression which is huge change in car dynamic . I think that's why toyota had to redesign it .
Yes, Robert made a whole video on it. It's a complete non-issue at sub 100mph speeds. I've tracked mine too and I disagree that there is bump steer. The rear end is lively, but I don't think there are significant toe changes that he is claiming. He did not put in on an alignment machine to show us. The behavior he mentions can be dialed out with SPL end links.
@@revmatchtv i'm no expert but when i see something which align with what Paul Gerrard ( racing driver ,racing instructir and the Stig ) has said about the supra , and toyota redesigning the rear suspension . It means that Robert Mitchell might be right 🤷🏽♂️.
I’m not a pro race driver nor I have driven the car on the ring, but many people have tracked the Supra globally including me. I can tell you at speeds (which i won’t show on video) in canyons it’s not an issue. 99.5% of drivers will not experience the issue he described.
@@mehdidamfs3112 Most people aren't professional drivers hence they won't have such a sensitive sense to the car, likewise how a professional chef would whine over the food being a little too salty or a pro musician would complain about very slight imperfections most members of the public wouldn't notice the difference
Good analogy
The 2021 sounds like it’s trying to slow the car down a lot when u go down hill u can hear it
The 2021 is not slower. It sounds pretty much the same to my ears. But it wasn’t necessarily faster all the time either. A drag strip would be a more reproducible test.
I love the pops and burbles on my stock 2020. Sounds like they got rid of it for 2021. 🤔
The popcorn is mostly gone!
When showing the races we don't want to see your face. We want to see the race lol
My secret location had limitations ;)
Toyota isn't too specific about the suspension revisions, are they? I'd like to know what they did with 2022 suspension revisions. Do you feel that 2021 traction control intervenes sooner than 2020? Do you think Toyota made revisions to the eDiff?
Here is what Toyota said about the 2021 changes: "The Supra 3.0 chassis was also tweaked heading into its second year of production. Lightweight aluminum braces were added to increase lateral rigidity, along with front and rear bump stops and new damper tuning. Revised programming for the electric power steering (EPS), Adaptive Variable Suspension (AVS), Vehicle Stability Control (VSC) and Active Differential made the Supra more stable through quick transitions, such as compound turns." 2022 is has no mechanical differences from the 2021 as I understand it, but there are programming changes.
Here are the 2023 changes: "To counter the possibility of “snap-off” oversteer - something that may be hard to control with the car’s Vehicle Stability Control (VSC) alone - an Anti-Roll Program (ARP) has been adopted for both the manual and automatic versions of the GR Supra. This intervenes at an earlier point with the VSC to cover any sudden loss of grip when the car’s high-response suspension setting it used.
In addition, the Track mode has been tuned to allow for easy drifting with freedom of throttle control. The vehicle remains agile, but there is less risk of spinning thanks to specific engine and torque control."
To answer your question, in the 2021 TC intervenes more seamlessly and and the car feels more planted overall. There are some other minor adjustments to valving, spring rate, sway bars and VSC that keep improving every year, but the big change was for 2021. For 2023 the VSC is at Porsche levels of refinement when I drove it on track.
@@revmatchtv Thanks for taking time to break it all down, Eric. Appreciate it.
You not going fast enough to feel the difference 😂
Great review, and as 2020 owner, the question is, with aftermarket parts we can match the 2021, and it seems to be the case. As you said, would be interesting to see how the 2021 engine respond to mods. I am about to go for the Pure800 turbo and maybe port injection, that for sure will make more power on the top end and above 500 whp with pump 91 gas. More compression means more power but also make it easier to knock, while the 10:1 of the 2021 will allow more boost, I would like to think that the higher compression could get good gains with meth. Let's see. Still 500 whp for the size and weight of this car, is more than enough to have fun and to get into trouble.
With that setup you will make LOADS of power. The pure800 is good for about 100hp alone. It’s an easy install too. You can surpass the 2021 in power with nothing but a tune. Due to time constraints, I failed to include a 4th car which was tune only. It was much much faster than the 2021.
Maybe they should dyno both cars while in stock condition.
It's been done several times and the 2021 has dynoed around 50hp more than the 2020.
If you're gonna leave the car stock the 2021 is clearly a better choice, but if you will tune it the 2020 is superior with the higher compression on an ethanol blend.
Oli So far that’s what we have found. When we can get a 2021 to tune we’ll learn more.
I find heads up drag racing comparisons completely useless. Different reaction times, driving styles, etc etc, there are just TOO many factors that change the results. I find more use in seeing multiple runs by the same driver using some type of GPS timer(then use an average), and even compare some dyno results(I have seen 388 to the wheels on the stock 21) Having said that, I would agree that most typical drivers would not likely know the difference, but if someone is indeed considering tracking the car, the 21 chassis/motor updates give you a better place to start. Having said that, having driven the 2020, and know several people with them, there should be no regrets in owning them, as the mods are plentiful.
Unfortunately too little time was available with this car to test. I’ve driven the 2020 on track a few tiles and ultimately if you decide that’s something you want to pursue you’ll modify the car anyway. There’s nothing inherently wrong with the 2020 despite what Robert Mitchell will have you believe. Having driven both back to back, I would doubt there is much significant difference in track behavior as the suspension differences boil down to minor tuning changes.
Mark I like your comment. I am going with your ideas, it just makes sense to perform some controlled tests. I have a 2020 I am happy with it. I think if Jacky Ding can take on a C8 with his mods I can live with mine. There is no reason to blow a gasket over a new model year of a given car.
Dont be butthearted cuz u bought the slower supra just 1 year earlier
Did you actually watch the video?
And that's what I got from this vid also.
@@revmatchtv yea man i did and i watched many of ur videos and i think i am kind of started to understand what ur trying to say before u even say it... Lol
butthearted?
I’m glad you made this video I was worrying if you get the 2020 or 2021 now I know it’s basically the same and might as well get a 2020
There are great deals on the remaining 2020s
I’ve ordered my car last Dec, but I changed my order to MY2021 when I saw the announcement of MY2021 improvements, guess what, Toyota sales guy called me last week to ask if I’m interested to buy MY2020 for more discount, my answer is NO.
Enjoy your new Supra when you get it!
You'll be happier with the 21. Drove both and I enjoyed the 21 more.
@@mrjjthor facts I have a 2021 supra and check out my channel for the baseline Dyno these put out
Looks like the more recent 2021 cars cannot be tuned. Bosch has changed the bootloader and so far, no one has been able to access it. This will affect a wide range of cars going forward including BMW.
@@revmatchtv I've heard MY2021 built before 7/30 is still tunable. Any 2021 built after that date cannot be tuned so far. So much for Tadasan claiming these cars are tuner friendly. Maybe he meant suspension, wheels, aero kits and basic bolt ons. I'd hardly called that "tuneable". Checked my build date and is says 3/20 so hopefully I'll be able to get a tune soon.
Bumpsteer is not necessarily the rear stepping out when you hit a bump but ok
Can you explain what it is then?
If the car has relatively bad rod placement to the control arms, like the previous 2020 model does, even if the track is smooth it will slip out on rolls, hills or even on braking and accelerating due to weight transfer as it's not a race car.
People have driven 2020 model on track and it still does exhibit pretty bad bumpsteer on tracks when most car that suffer that on road tend not to on tracks.
Idk about you but I don't think driving 50mph or so on a slightly curvy road is a good enough meteric to see if a car is stable mate. If someone is drivin fast enough, it might slip out and be the end of them.
Also, I am talking about how it's not explicitly Bump related not about hiw it works if that wasn't clear. If you don't know how bump steer works you can refer to some engineers even on youtube that can explain that well enough.
talking about high speed wables
2021 will handle more boost
We will know pretty soon how it responds to tuning. It should in theory but it needs to be tested.
@@revmatchtv annnnnnd the ecu still isnt cracked 😳 this is making me want a 2020 😂😂
Toyota needs to make more options from Factory
What would you like to see?
@@revmatchtv Like different colors on seats
@@revmatchtv Supra branded tweed jacket and monacle.
i_got_worms lol
I haven't had a car in 12 years and am finally getting me a nice car, im getting the 2021 and just love the car!I dont care that it is made by BMW, I thinks bmw's are realy jice cars and loved most since i was in high school,and i Love my Japanese imports and Always thought Supras were amazing cars like Nissan skylines kinda. I know there's a whole bunch if noise that its not a true supra...IDC,actually I think its dope that Germany and Japan came together to make a new version of this Iconic sports car!I hope I will love this car lol,im sure I will though!?To owners of both 2020 and 2021 can you tell me if you still like it after owning it for some months?Any info would be appreciated!
I've owned my 2020 for about 10 months now. Zero issues, a few mods and it's a fast and super enjoyable car to daily drive.
@@revmatchtv Thanks for the response!I'm glad to hear you realy like your supra as a daily driver!Can I ask what mod you put on first?I know supras can get good power off of a few mods.I was thinking of getting a greddy exhaust and ecu first,however the exhaust seems pretty nice!?
I started with wheels, tires and exhaust. I have the Borla system which I think has more bass and less raspy notes than the other systems. if you're interested in one, DM me on Instagram. There is a sound clip here: czcams.com/video/ihRe-LAcwlU/video.html
the only real way to see if its faster is the same driver does like 5 0-60 runs in each car, 2 seperate drivers isnt really accurate
I disagree. The only way to find out accurately is on a track. Unfortunately due to very limited time with the car, track time wasn’t possible.
@@revmatchtv but if u do a simple 0-100 (0-60mph), you then know which is the faster car.
The 2020 does not feel planted. Having driven both, the 2020 feels twitchy right off the bat and does not inspire confidence. The 2021 is a more planted and predictable, no matter where you push it.
The suspension changes do inspire a bit more confidence, but overall they amount mild differences in tuning. I’ve driven the 2020 on track a few times. It’s a rewarding car.
Where do u get e30 or how ?
You blend e85 with 91 or 93. It’s pretty easy to calculate the ratio as the car tells you how many liters remain in the tank via a a menu
Thanks we don't have any E85 stations around where I live so I'm kind of oblivious to it
Try google. There are dedicated e85 websites too.
@@revmatchtv yea they're all over 50 miles away
Manual for sure in 2022.
It's a possibility =)
no chance
@@AcmeRocket There are discussions happening at Toyota. Shhhhh....
To be honest, I hope they don’t waste their time. About 1% or the people saying they’d buy if it had a manual could actually afford to buy one anyway. My tuner and I had planned to do a manual swap. After I drove it I wasn’t sure. First time he drove it he said ‘yeah, we’re not doing that any more, it doesn’t need it’.
I’d buy a manual, but Toyota knows there’s a small market. The auto is really good.
Is the 2020 faster ? It seems it won’t the race twice? I’m confused sorry. So the xtra HP is not worth it. Again very confusing lol 😂
No, the 21 is faster. It makes more power, handles a bit better, and pulls harder overall. I drove both and ended up with a 21. Now if you can get a really good deal on a 20, then that's great also. When I say good deal I mean getting a 20 below $48k before tax.
Got my 21 for $53.5k before tax. MSRP was at $57.6k and I got the dealership to take off $4100.
mrjjthor Thor thanks that was a great price
Is the dealer in California?
@@bailey12444 yes.
I feel like the one that will have the big difference in power and driving experience will be the A91 Edition. That’s the one it has to be compared to. And the steering wheel it the only thing full Toyota in that interior, same as the LC 500 and it looks hideous!! Toyota should had use the Lexus RC F steering wheel instead.
The A91 is mechanically identical. It’s strictly an appearance package. The steering wheel is directly out of a BMW actually - down to the buttons.
At least Toyota can update the design of their Supra unlike Nissan
Toyota is definitely playing a strong game here :)
Right
So this is a buyers remorse vid?
I’m assuming you didn’t watch it?
@@revmatchtv I did and you make it sound as if the 2021 isn't really worth it over the 2020 MY. However, every car journalist out there said the 2021 is the better deal. That's why I said it sounds more like a buyers remorse vid.
@@mrjjthor I mean. Other than the 21 being more tunable and retuned it is a 50/50 debate since 20s will be cheaper once the 21s will start rolling around so just a tune alone would be enough to either get the same power/faster than the 21 for a cheaper price than buying a full out new 21.
@@carboydorifutoparty3976 most definitely the 2020 would be a better deal if someone got it for $7k or more off MSRP. However, the guy got it at MSRP and flew out of state to pick it up and it sounds like he's trying to validate his own purchase. I'm sure his yellow Supra was well north of $50k.
mrjj if you’re paying MSRP it’s absolutely worth the $500 premium. The updated engine is likely to have more tuning potential. The suspension differences are minimal. The ride quality is the same. Other journalists drove them a year apart. I specifically wanted to drive them back to back. Matt Maran Motoring and Albon have a similar position to mine. I took a lot of care to be as unbiased as I could be and drove them on the same roads within minutes of each other. I explained the differences in the video as best as I could without going into endless detail.
Right now 2020 models are going for $48-49k. Is the 2021 worth a $9k premium over a 2020 at a discount? Absolutely not. Is the 2021 a better car overall? Yes it is. It’s a very nice incremental upgrade, but this is not like the Mustang going from the 4.6 to the Coyote.
I think that most of the details that manufacturers boast are just hype, in real world terms most of the time there is very little difference.
Exactly. This is an incremental, 2nd year upgrade. Not as earth shattering as you might have heard. The newer 2021s cannot be tuned afaik due to a new ECU.
A little bit of everything you say = it will make very much difference in total , also both cars got dyno there are noticeable WHP difference also the 2021 got bigger screen AND also when you raced you only floor it for 3 seconds ..... WTF do think it's a Buggati and want it to destroy you from a jump without little struggle ??? are you serious you are just a 2020 butthurt owner that's it
Three seconds is about 100mph. Sorry I got the car for 3 days on short notice and was not able to book track time. The 2021 has the same size screen as the 2020.
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You all got the wrong car.. should have waited for the manual version.
I don't like waiting. It's like all the C8 owners who have been waiting 2 years while I'm driving my Supra! Wh
Dude, you got the most epic first year hose job in history. Deal with it.
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The video quality is really bad
Thanks for watching
Buyer's guilt...yep. If I've ever seen it.
OK!
Definitely looks like a buyers remorse review.
Sounds like a vacuum cleaner
Toyota pls redesign, its UGLY