I have to wonder how he fared afterward, was he able to stay in the service and how long did he live? He undoubtedly did serious damage to his lungs and throat, he deserved the CMH, not just the NC.
but the sighting of center force is credited to Dace and Darter and is well documented and doesn't sound like anything in this episode. This is a poor episode that never explains what it says in the beginning about changing the names "for reasons that will become obvious" and another ever becomes obvious. I've blown a whole day trying to sort this out and I'm left doubting its historical accuracy.
Not being the noble hero...but I think the obvious decision is to notify the task force what they discovered. You do what you gotta do...then try to survive yourself.
The skipper is Robert Brown, who played Jason Bolt in the series 'Here come the brides' along with David Soul, Bobby Sherman, and Mark Lenard (Spock's daddy).
@@DunedinMultimedia2 In quite a few of these episodes everyone turns up but Ohura from Star Trek. Deforest Kelly shows. Spock is in a brief one. Everyone but Shattner and a few others show up. This series maybe a collectors item as to just how many Star Trek folks do show up in these videos & all but a few don't show up. Allegedly there R about another random 22 episodes some which star everyone from a very young Randy Quaid to Sid Caesar and Pat Boone even some folks from political offices. Some of that was cut due to mostly actors money grubbing efforts over budgeting this now obscure but once popular pro war hollywood series. This might imply why thee lone episode with Nimoy and Shattner were never aired. They both objected to the terms of contracts & the series and the films with them in them were never aired. During this series the war Dept 4 one and thee directors only liked the most popular most talented actors of that era in Hollywood. I personally don't think the series or producers ever suffered from not producing those episodes with the more popular actors of the time. What it seems like is they just paid the actors off and there are now unseen 20 or so episodes out there somewhere. How this all innocently happened was this series only wanted and preferred the best upcoming actors but they wanted the actors cheap like it was their patriotic duties and that flies about as far as mud from a mud flap in Hollywood. The unfortunate part of being a victim cast member of this one lone Hollywood entity is these overly talented folks already had several contracts and even commercials signed. These folks like Nimoy and D. Kelly George Tahki were also all very money hungry at the time so those bigger names did not work out in $$$$... Breech of contract in Hollywood is a weapon and happens when actors show up drunk stoned tired working on another project to their regular jobs can cause big problems like it did to Nimoy and Shattner Tahki and a few others... Sic Jonny Depp and all the dumb shit he tried out working several series 2 of which never aired on major net works due to just such circumstances...
Having read the previous comments about changing the ship's names and characters, I wondered why. The Host does not mention why in detail. When researching this action, the exploits of USS Redfin (and USS Harder) in tracking the INJ fleet at Tawi Tawi appear to be the background story, but that was covered in an episode about the USS Harder. Chief Tomkins (portrayed by Terry Becker, later COB Sharkey in Voyager to the Bottom of the Sea) appears to be a composite character representing the exploits of hundreds of enlisted submariners who stayed at their stations under similar circumstances. The characters' interfaces are inconsistent with what the US Navy at the time wanted to portray to the public, hence the Hollywood style of storytelling. Also Robert Brown (Here Come the Brides) and Dick Van Patten (Eight is Enough) portray the skipper and XO respectively.
I agree… seems like the man performed a very difficult action under horrible circumstances, and while it may not have seemed to gallant in the moment, saved the lives of dozens of his shipmates. He seems worthy of being remembered, whoever he is… and put up for the Navy Cross, too? Surely enough time has passed we can know his name.
Yes they did, But If memory serve this task force approach from a direction they werent expecting. so would gotten closer then it did before it detected
gambling on board looks like it was a problem in all these silent service episodes. its good to know when i play cribbage at the casino it has its roots in submarineering...when i loose i get drunk as a lord and wake up as a drunken sailor getting his balls shaved with a rusty razor
I knew very little about submarines in the second world war . But I would have thought they would have had oxygen masks they could put on in an emergence ?
WWII the US Navy had OBA (Oxygen Breathing Apparatus) www.ima-usa.com/products/original-u-s-wwii-navy-oxygen-breathing-rescue-apparatus-type-a-1?variant=13088824164421
I have a question that maybe anyone watching who served on a sub can answer. We all know how sound travels across the water so did the klaxon sounding for dive action alert enemy vessels that may not have made a visual sighting?
I think the ships as they traveled through the water there was enough noise to drown out the klaxons. I grew up with a railroad track about 35-40 yards from our backdoor. Obviously, I used to walk the tracks all the time to travel. To town or to some fishing lakes ect ect. While walking on the train tracks you have to look behind you constantly. A train could be 100 yards away and blow its horn and you couldn't hear it at all. It was the weirdest thing, but true. I to this day have no idea why it was like that.
No actually they could hear it if they were listening. But normally they sounded it when spotted anyway. The sub that sank the Indy herd dishes in the sink being cleaned after dinner.
I think this film has something left to be determined if his professional authentic or not and I see Dick Van then and it's and also an actor don't know his name but he played Sharkey on Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea you know what I'm talkin about
yeah. Its measured from the BOTTOM of the sub not the top. At a keel depth of 60 feet the top of the conning tower is less than 20 feet from the surface.
Back when a black family stayed in there place . Back when “ others” didn’t sit at counters with real Americans or use our bathrooms ! Things were great alright if you were a white man ! 😂
Thanks for sharing these old films. I used to watch the Silent Service series with my dad back in just a 50s. He was career navy on tin cans ww2.
Capt: "XO, take us to nine fathoms"
XO: "Negative, sir, eight is enough!"
Good one, I get it!
I have to wonder how he fared afterward, was he able to stay in the service and how long did he live? He undoubtedly did serious damage to his lungs and throat, he deserved the CMH, not just the NC.
I wonder why the host never mention he has two Navy Crosses. For those that dont know the Navy Cross is second only to the Medal of Honor
He doesn’t need to blow his own horn. Others will do it for him.
It’s always sweeter to hear someone else play that music.
I guess.
This should also be labeled "Silent Service S2 E16: 'The Tigershark Story' "
Anyone else notice Dick Van Patton as the XO and this is the second of these that Terry Becker, aka Chief Sharky, appeared in.
Yep Didn't know that Tom Bradford was a submariner
Seriously, this was the leadup to the Battle Off Samar. The most kick-ass battle in naval history.
but the sighting of center force is credited to Dace and Darter and is well documented and doesn't sound like anything in this episode. This is a poor episode that never explains what it says in the beginning about changing the names "for reasons that will become obvious" and another ever becomes obvious. I've blown a whole day trying to sort this out and I'm left doubting its historical accuracy.
Electrician Mate, comes thru again! Saves his ship! "SPARKY'S" rule !
The radio message evidently got through. The Battle of the Philippine Sea (Marianas Turkey Shoot) was a decisive victory for American naval power.
Born in '65. Watched my share of 'Eight is Enough' on the tube.
You have our deepest sympathy 🤣🤣
Very good stuff, thanks for posting!
Boy that second class in the beginning sure got promoted to third class with two hash marks real quick. 😂
Not being the noble hero...but I think the obvious decision is to notify the task force what they discovered. You do what you gotta do...then try to survive yourself.
Thanks for posting these!
Yeah thats the way it went for ranks you could be a enlisted man and rise to nco status in the middle of a fight
The skipper is Robert Brown, who played Jason Bolt in the series 'Here come the brides' along with David Soul, Bobby Sherman, and Mark Lenard (Spock's daddy).
Robert Brown also played Lazarus in the Star Trek episode, "Alternative Factor".
Remember the show -- 1 or 2 seasons -- would never have got Brown. Good catch.
@@DunedinMultimedia2 In quite a few of these episodes everyone turns up but Ohura from Star Trek. Deforest Kelly shows. Spock is in a brief one. Everyone but Shattner and a few others show up. This series maybe a collectors item as to just how many Star Trek folks do show up in these videos & all but a few don't show up. Allegedly there R about another random 22 episodes some which star everyone from a very young Randy Quaid to Sid Caesar and Pat Boone even some folks from political offices. Some of that was cut due to mostly actors money grubbing efforts over budgeting this now obscure but once popular pro war hollywood series. This might imply why thee lone episode with Nimoy and Shattner were never aired. They both objected to the terms of contracts & the series and the films with them in them were never aired. During this series the war Dept 4 one and thee directors only liked the most popular most talented actors of that era in Hollywood. I personally don't think the series or producers ever suffered from not producing those episodes with the more popular actors of the time. What it seems like is they just paid the actors off and there are now unseen 20 or so episodes out there somewhere. How this all innocently happened was this series only wanted and preferred the best upcoming actors but they wanted the actors cheap like it was their patriotic duties and that flies about as far as mud from a mud flap in Hollywood. The unfortunate part of being a victim cast member of this one lone Hollywood entity is these overly talented folks already had several contracts and even commercials signed. These folks like Nimoy and D. Kelly George Tahki were also all very money hungry at the time so those bigger names did not work out in $$$$... Breech of contract in Hollywood is a weapon and happens when actors show up drunk stoned tired working on another project to their regular jobs can cause big problems like it did to Nimoy and Shattner Tahki and a few others... Sic Jonny Depp and all the dumb shit he tried out working several series 2 of which never aired on major net works due to just such circumstances...
And what of Lazarus?
@@thekingsilverado9004 Shatner was in 12 O'Clock High, which came a few years after this.
If you do a little research on Operation Forager, you'll find that USS Tiger Shark is USS Redfin.
So was it ever established that their message got through to the fleet in the Marianas?
@@topgeardel Yes the message DID get through of the Japanese fleet leaving Tawi Tawi and heading towards the Marianas.
Thanks
Having read the previous comments about changing the ship's names and characters, I wondered why. The Host does not mention why in detail. When researching this action, the exploits of USS Redfin (and USS Harder) in tracking the INJ fleet at Tawi Tawi appear to be the background story, but that was covered in an episode about the USS Harder. Chief Tomkins (portrayed by Terry Becker, later COB Sharkey in Voyager to the Bottom of the Sea) appears to be a composite character representing the exploits of hundreds of enlisted submariners who stayed at their stations under similar circumstances. The characters' interfaces are inconsistent with what the US Navy at the time wanted to portray to the public, hence the Hollywood style of storytelling. Also Robert Brown (Here Come the Brides) and Dick Van Patten (Eight is Enough) portray the skipper and XO respectively.
Our narrator states at the beginning that the names were changed and that we should be able to figure out why. I haven't.
I agree… seems like the man performed a very difficult action under horrible circumstances, and while it may not have seemed to gallant in the moment, saved the lives of dozens of his shipmates.
He seems worthy of being remembered, whoever he is… and put up for the Navy Cross, too? Surely enough time has passed we can know his name.
Yeah I was left confused too
In 1944 the USN had the means to know when an enemy task force is creeping up on the fleet without sacrificing this sub.
Yes they did, But If memory serve this task force approach from a direction they werent expecting. so would gotten closer then it did before it detected
I wonder why there was no gas mask W.W1 vintage or better?I know I know nothing yet it crossed my mind.
Dick Van Patton in this, too funny
Why did the change the names ? Cause they disobeyed the order to evacuate?
gambling on board looks like it was a problem in all these silent service episodes. its good to know when i play cribbage at the casino it has its roots in submarineering...when i loose i get drunk as a lord and wake up as a drunken sailor getting his balls shaved with a rusty razor
I knew very little about submarines in the second world war . But I would have thought they would have had oxygen masks they could put on in an emergence ?
Yes, just saying!?
Todays submarines make their own oxygen and they emergency breathing apparatus in case the ships atmosphere is contaminated.
I also brought that question to bare it seems state of the are sub would be prepared for any thing.Recall the Squalis.
Later the Sail fish previously the what the name is but smart phones can,t spell ?Dumb phones spell psychedelic.
WWII the US Navy had OBA (Oxygen Breathing Apparatus)
www.ima-usa.com/products/original-u-s-wwii-navy-oxygen-breathing-rescue-apparatus-type-a-1?variant=13088824164421
I have a question that maybe anyone watching who served on a sub can answer. We all know how sound travels across the water so did the klaxon sounding for dive action alert enemy vessels that may not have made a visual sighting?
I think the ships as they traveled through the water there was enough noise to drown out the klaxons. I grew up with a railroad track about 35-40 yards from our backdoor. Obviously, I used to walk the tracks all the time to travel. To town or to some fishing lakes ect ect. While walking on the train tracks you have to look behind you constantly. A train could be 100 yards away and blow its horn and you couldn't hear it at all. It was the weirdest thing, but true. I to this day have no idea why it was like that.
No actually they could hear it if they were listening. But normally they sounded it when spotted anyway. The sub that sank the Indy herd dishes in the sink being cleaned after dinner.
So why was the name of the submarine and crew changed, I missed the obvious reason why.
Thanks
I suggest u all watch the movie .BELOW made in 2002 .
well hell wudda been nice to know if the message got thru or not
the navy probably didnt respond for a
reason. set a trap for the japanese navy which was the battle of samar.
It did get through. USS Redfin was the sub
Isn't that Sharkey?
Yes, that was his tour before he joined the Seaview in '64...
It was season 2 through 4. Becker succeeded Henry Kulky who died at the end of the first season. Kulky appeared more than once on "Silent Service".
Why the great mystery about this sailor’s identity?
Why didn’t he receive the metal of honor?
I think this film has something left to be determined if his professional authentic or not and I see Dick Van then and it's and also an actor don't know his name but he played Sharkey on Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea you know what I'm talkin about
I didn't know you could see aircraft from a periscope
Yep, you can. The kinda aim up a bit. You couldn't see them right above you obviously, but the farther from the ship the higher you can see.
There is one for looking at ships and another for looking for aircraft. Too settings
Did they say 60 feet then they raised the periscope, that's a loooong periscope
Kaltonian That's 60 feet from the keel of the boat.
yeah. Its measured from the BOTTOM of the sub not the top. At a keel depth of 60 feet the top of the conning tower is less than 20 feet from the surface.
Back when Americans loved freedom!.
Back when a black family stayed in there place . Back when “ others” didn’t sit at counters with real Americans or use our bathrooms ! Things were great alright if you were a white man ! 😂
A stinker.... hahahahaha
This never happened. Never was a ship in the U.S. Navy named the Tigershark!
You do realize this was made in 1959 and they state that the name was changed for operational security?
Didn't you listen that sometimes the names have been changed for security reasons?
Wow did you not hear him say they chAnged the name of the ship and people in this one? Yes it did happen. USS Redfin was the sub. So yeah 👍🏻 good job
This is a remarkable propaganda video that. bears little detail to real life!
ars little
Fred Collins Propaganda? Sheesh
why do you say that
Don't let the door hit you in the ass as you leave the US.
How would you know , were you there ?
Well Freddy, why are you still watching. I hope you enjoy the next episode!