The Confusing Lore of Sonic The Hedgehog
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- čas přidán 24. 02. 2021
- Sonic Lore; sure is confusing ain't it? Today I'm looking at some of the best examples of consistent lore in the Sonic Franchise, but also some of the worst examples of continuity in the series.
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We reached peak writing with excuses like "everyone had like... amnesia"
@mr.jinjin we meet again, mr.jinjin
@mr.jinjin honestly I need to so then I can go make a dead rising video
Classic is from another dimension now that consistency.
@@mediamuncher6982 The fuck is Sonic Team smoking?
@@CarvedDaWarped *Iizuka. Don't bring the whole team into this.
Izuka: money doesn’t exist in the Sonic universe
Vector in Heroes: “...we never turn down work that pays.”
Guess Izuka doesn't know their policy.
Nope.
@@narxmagee727 Their detectives you want on your sideeee
@@justcallmekai1554 They're directive's tracking down your criiiiime.
@@narxmagee727 Come along for a rideee *moves at light speed*
Cream realized Sonic doesn't like Amy is still the funniest thing to me
Cream is a all knowing godly being capable of destroying the world pretending to be a child.
And now that you know G.U.N is sending a kill squad as we speak good day.
@@Sgt-Wolf wow thanks sergeant
@@Sgt-Wolf wow.
@@Sgt-Wolf Ah. I guess that explains why Huge Crisis is so close to Cream's house
@@klosyfielaer2006 Even to this day... damn.
The entirety of Sonic Forces takes place within a large furry convention, hence the lack of humans. Sonic & friends are the only real animals throughout the entire game.
LOL Every human is in a fur suit except Eggman!!!!
That means it’s canon that G.U.N are furries
Rouge and Shadow taught G.U.N that they needed to dress up as animals and rebranded as “The Resistance”
To be honest the main cast are the only characters that look normal but the background characters look like a bunch copies of the avatar
@@jackisthebest1365 Right?
I don’t care if the bit with shadow being based on super sonic is cannon, it’s too good I accept it as fact
Honestly it may be headcanon but it's probably 20x better than whatever the "actual explanation" is if ever asked.
@@narxmagee727 I swear that has to be on purpose. It fits so well and would make Shadows line "Sonic..I think Ive discovered what the ultimate lifeform is..It might be youu!" have even more weight. But knowing Sega sometimes, they forget there own lore.
@@justcallmekai1554 Omg you're right. That would make more sense. Too bad stuff that connects so well like this seems to be the result of excessive digging.
@@justcallmekai1554 Imagine if Shadow tells that to Sonic in the next game when there is an intense fight at the end that Shadow can't fight. Sonic who isnt fighting with whatever the big threat is grabs the Chaos Emeralds and along with Shadow and other characters (maybe Blaze, Silver, Tails, and Knuckles since they've already used the Chaos Emeralds or Sol Emeralds before) have a climatic final boss battle.
I would suppose the behind-the-curtain role of Shadow is to represent the original Japanese design, that western marketing axed in favor of that SatAM Sonic, and the story inspiration is to retell the story of what really makes Sonic who he is: the author or the audience. Or it could be about how much Sonic can be made edgier without losing his core spirit, examining if the changes since Adventure were too much. Maybe prove the point that if Adventure had been too edgy, it would have looked like Shadow. Funnily echoed by the actual Shadow the Hedgehog game trying to keep that same cake while eating it.
"I hate SA2 as much as the next guy."
*So, not at all?*
Lol he lost the debate against cybershell so i guess he is going to keep hating on sa2 for a long time lol
@@angelgonzalez4871 That was LS Mark tho, this is SplashDash. Must be really feeling bad for his best friend.
Ls Mark and Splashdash think alike. They hated SA2 and love Sonic heroes.
What if..........
@@angelgonzalez4871 he lost horribly, he legit argues like chris chan its hilarious
Hate sa2? Sounds trollish
Imagine actually trying to drive on Speed Highway.
...wait why isn’t this a course in any modern Sonic racing game?
Imagine trying to park in city escape only for a blue hedgehog to ram into it
Speed Highway from SA1 was under construction but in Generations it is more finished
imagine trying to drive in City Escape
Imagine driving through Grand Metropolis
Imagine if you need to pass through Central City but you need to take Radical Highway or either of the Routes from Tails or Rouge's driving levels
Man this friend of LS Mark knows alot about this funny hedgehog
It's almost as if they're one in the same... Hmm...
@@ibilesfighter3.16 nah, couldn’t be possible. Ls mark confirms this
Difference is SplashDash didn't get absolutely wrecked by Cybershell
@@Joshdoingthings1 But think about it: SplashDash loves Sonic Heroes.
You know who else loves Sonic Heroes?
That's right; LS Mark!
@@Laiser IS THOU IMPLYING THEY ARE THE SAME!?
A human world would be better, just because it would freak me out if Dr. Eggman would be the only human
Why this is even a "controversy" among Sonic "fans" I'll never understand!
People seem dead set against the idea of a world where humans and anthros coexist, but why? The common claim is "well there were no humans in the old games, so the old games MUST take place on a world of animals!" First of all, Eggman is a human (seriously, why do people just choose to ignore that), it's never hinted at or implied that he's from another dimension or planet, or that he's "the last of his kind" or whatever! Secondly, in the very first game there weren't any other anthros, just the little animal friends!
It is also infuriating that people say things like "it just doesn't make any sense to have these random humanised animals walking around in a world of humans without some kind of explanation as to why they're there!" Because they seem to have no problem with this one random human walking around in a world of anthropomorphic animals with no explanation! It just makes no sense!
@@bowmaj8666 yes I too believe that humans and “mobians” coexist, Sandopolis Act 2 from S3K depicts murals of humans in the background. Whilst it’s obviously just standard Ancient Egyptian themed art, in the Sonic universe wouldnt it be strange if there were no humans? Also, just Angel Island’s presence in SA1 is evidence enough I think. Oh yea what do you think of the crappy 2 worlds thing?
@@SocksFC Which one? The crappy 2 worlds theory where humans and anthropomorphic animals exist on different planets/dimensions, or the crappy 2 worlds theory that the "Classic games" are set in an entirely separate universe to the "Modern games?"
That pretty much sums up my feelings about this utter mess of a continuity, but it bears repeating, these decisions make absolutely no sense; they just make everything way more convoluted and confusing than they need to be. It's even worse that most of this stuff is never delved into in the games themselves. It's just mindless fan pandering!
@@bowmaj8666 yea I think separating classic from modern as 2 worlds is stupid, Angel Island is the link from Classic to (somewhat) Modern. I feel continuity was best handled by Naka
@@bowmaj8666 Because SatAM...
the biggest plot hole is how Izuka, despite being Japanese, has a bad case of the bri'ish teeth
I have never seen a Japanese person or a British person in real life with fucked up teeth like that
Damn bro, British people might not have teeth up to par with Americans but they ain’t that bad!
@@Uhhhh970 but when there bad, they are BAD
@@Uhhhh970 actually a test show English dental care is better then American dental care
We need that photo of Izuka Splash is always using except the teeth are bubbled up.
If I recall, in the Very Hard mode of Shadow the Hedgehog, there’s a bit of dialogue where the GUN commander offers Shadow to work for them, so there is at least some explanation as to him being a GUN agent in 06
The entirety of Expert Mode is part of a training procedure - like, all the maps are false planes of existence and Shadow's training for getting a job as an agent through these "emulations" made by GUN.
Even though it really doesn't make much sense, it's cool that they gave a reason for how Shadow would become a GUN agent. In one of the ARK levels, the Commander even tells Shadow that he recently became a grandfather and wants to invite him over to his house for tea.
That game also explains what happened to shadow between sa2 and heroes if you wait around at the final boss
@@borederlands5387 i can vouch! Eggman Explains it all and apalogizes for lying to shadow for being an android.
@@theswig2339 yeah the vid made it sound like mark just didn't know that dialogue existed, which i can't really blame him for to be honest
You are missing a big part. At the end of Shadow, the GUN commander talks about hiring shadow, and the president calls him a hero or something. They basically foreshadow 06, so it would make sense that shadow works with rouge now. He saved the planet in the true ending.
Heheheh....ForeSHADOWing...
Tbf getting one ending in Shadow is tedious enough, so I don't blame anyone for not seeing the true ending of that game.
Well he made a promise to protect the world to Maria, it would only make sense to work with people that could help him maximize his effectiveness, besides he gets to work with his 2 best friends
@@im_terminallyonline what
@@im_terminallyonline hehe
As someone who loves the lore:
WOOOOO this is gonna be epic, immediatly liked
Love has never been so confusing.
epic
@@narxmagee727 w
I love the lore
then the cat goes and says he hate sa2.... whew.. "epic" indeed......... (BIG sarcasm)
I think that Amy/Cream joke still works, it's just been changed a little. Instead of Amy daring Cream to 'say it, watch what happens', she's oblivious and Cream and trying to spare her feelings so she just laughs it off. It's not as funny, but there's still something there.
"Sonic Colors is set in a non-human world" so what is eggman doing there, he is human? And why he built that space park? and why is planet earth a think there? is there multiple earths in the Sonic universe? Angel island is not a thing now? where is Knuckles in the Wii version? Why eggman didn't just call the space park "A new eggmanland"?
Izuka: They got like...amnesia.
Sonic Colors isn't even set on a single planet so... it's not inaccurate. lol
Even Planet Wisp is still a separate location. The wisps are only on Sonic’s world now because the wisps grew a fondness over Sonic.
The logical stuff here would be eggman with his time got planets from the infinite sides of the universe and got all these planets on his space park,remember,everything like this can be generated,and also should be a great theory
Egghead's so smart he found a way to get himself stuck on planet Mobius with Sonic. Born on Earth from the human dimension, some how ended up on Sonic's world. He's the smartest, dumbest human alive, lol.
Shadow joining GUN is actually explained pretty decently in Shadow the Hedgehog of all games. Basically, at the end he decides to put his past behind him and move forward with his life as a protector of humans like Maria wanted him to be. Joining GUN just happens to be the most efficient way to do this, as now he has access to intel, equipment and can carry out his missions legally, plus he can work alongside his teammates Rouge and Omega. On top of that, Shadow's Hard Mode has the GUN commander apologize to Shadow about everything and the Hard Mode can be interpreted as Shadow's training for GUN because the tips turn into dialogue pertaining to training with GUN.
Omg I thought the exact same thing like literally down to the word. I always personally thought it made a good amount of sense. Thanks for taking the words straight outta my mouth I guess.
@@narxmagee727 Mhm. If there's one thing 06 got right, it was the characterization of Shadow and Team Dark in general. It's the best he's been since SA2 and hasn't been matched since. It's sad what they did to him after
@@SoIstice Yeah, Team Dark really felt like a...well team. Shadow had his motivations and character in check and he knew what he wanted to do. Even if Mephilis was right even if the world chooses to be his enemy, he will fight like he always has (love that line). Fast forward to now and it doesn't feel like what he was in 06. He's become this edgy dude who sometimes care less about anything, he apparently isn't friends with Rouge and Omega even though they're the 2 people closest to him aside from Maria, and he just feels so shallow. He lost his lairs. The closest Team Dark as a whole has been is Sonic Forces but it's Sonic Forces so it wasn't really much. Oh well I still hold some hope that Team Dark and especially Shadow can find their footing again.
@@narxmagee727 you should know that shiro maekawa the father of shadow and sonic writer wrote sa1 2 heroes shadow story from 06 riders games storybook games from 1998 to 2009 he know what sonic and shadow is and oh right unleashed was from one of 06 writers and shadow the hedgehog game story was from lizuka himself so sega must bring back the best writer maekawa
You know you screwed things up when the Five Nights at Freddy’s franchise is more consistent and understandable than your video game franchise about a blue hedgehog who fights an obese evil genius.
Tbf the franchise is more than that.
Five Nights lore is really hard to understand, yet consistent, c'mon guys, you're being outdone by one guy that made mediocre games until he made one game with a lot of shadows.
@@undeadbatman9762 yeah
Shadow: appears*
Knuckles: isn't that-
Tails: SONIC ☝️
Sonic: 👁👁
Shadow: 👁👁
Lmao
"Sonic is destroying the city"
"Pfft that's not me"
"Sonic has stolen the chaos emerald"
"Thats not me!"
"Whoah Sonic is flying!"
"Gaaaaaaaaaarggghhh"
I mean, at the end of Shadow the Hedgehog Shadow left his past behind him and moved on to protect the world no matter what. That is why he is working with G.U.N. in 06.
The Archie comics explain this really well .
That's what I always thought. However it would he cool if characters like Infinite or other future villains taunt Shadow by reminding of Maria and things related with the 2005 game Shadow the Hedgehog. That will surely torture him and would connect the games
@@fabianugalde3789 that wouldn’t really work because Shadow dealt with all of that stuff and put it behind him. That’s why in Sonic 06 Mephiles taunts him with the future.
The easy fix for this wouldve been for the commander from shadow the hedgehog cameo in 06 and for shadow to have a 'just this once' mentality implying that they worked shit out between games
@@alexlee4154 There's actually some audio from the Shadow the Hedgehog VR missions(or something like that), that implies that Shadow starts training to join GUN.
6:40 Yeah, but isn't that a silhouette of Blaze's head in the center? You can even see her ponytail and head jewel. Which is, uh, still weird though... Like, who the heck carved Blaze's face in a stone slab and why?
Actually, that's interesting, because during '06, Blaze sealed Iblis within herself, and Iblis is half of Solaris...
Hmm...
That's the thing that's a bit irritating. They have the history of the universe they made to create something interesting or reinterpret things from the past in a new context but just... does nothing with it.
This franchise has such waisted potential alot of the time.
Cant believe i actually just found you here of all places bro, another really passionate sonic fan i see lmao
@@justcallmekai1554 The writers need to be put in charge.
6:38
And there’s also the fact that the symbol looks EXACTLY LIKE BLAZE!!!
OH IT ACTUALLY DOES
" I hate sonic adventure 2 as much as the next guy. "
This man has comitted an act of heresy against the greatest masterpiece of all time and must pay for his crimes against humanity.
He's just mad his best friend, LS Mark, lost a debate against the Sonic lore master, Cybershell.
Opinions exist ya know
I'm a sonic fan and sa2 ain't a masterpiece
It has more cons than pros
Sonic and Shadow stages are the only good part of the game.
*Bye*
@@D00DM00D That's your opinion. To me, I found any Sonic Forces stages awful.
@@tiruliru1189 who said anything about Sonic Forces ?
Funny how Blaze and Classic Sonic essentially had opposite retcons
Time-traveling and dimension-traveling really do get mixed up with Sonic often
Me: wait a minute, Team Dark aren't friends anymore!?
Iizuka: I am altering the lore, pray that I don't alter it any further.
Me: this lore's getting worse all the time...
How we can fix the sonic canon
You know for all the complaining we do online about sonic we never actually use the ways we can actually use any of the outlets that can actually change anything
What I mean by that is when people complain about there no money in sonics world or how team dark are not friends and all that it is usually on CZcams or on some online chat room like Reddit.
Places where sonic team are never going to see or here are complaints or places where they can at least pretend to ignore them.
They never actually go to the sonic Twitter or Takashi Izuka’s Facebook account.
Now hold on a minute
I do not want you to just go complaining to Takashi Izuka about how everything wrong with sonic is his fault and demanding he change this or that in the lore.
That would just make him want to ignore your complaints and have them less likely to be agnolaged.
If we want him to listen to our opinions on why we need to do a few things
number 1
Put non of the blame on Izuka and be polite and nice
I am not saying be a suck up to him that could be off putting but I think he would be more willing to listen if you are polite to him and don’t treat him as everything is his fault.
I would recommend starting with the words “are you aware that someone working for saga stated” insert your problem with canon here and explain why you think it contradicts what has been established in previous sonic games.
I honestly don’t approve putting all the blame on Izuka when a lot of the claims like Team Dark are not friends are not made by him and he might not even be aware of it sonic is a big franchise I doubt he knows everything that is going on in it.
These claims could come from anyone at saga and If Takashi Izuka is not aware of these things
or at least not aware of how much people hate it.
then if he became aware of it and realize how much people don’t like it he is one of the few people at saga who has the power to change the canon.
If we make it
If enough people make statements on his Facebook about how they don’t like it and how they think it contradicts canon then he might be willing to change it.
After all he stated sonic was only as fast as light but when a fan posted him evidence that sonic is faster then light he said good reasearch suggesting he agreed with the fan.
But if you go in putting the blame on him for these things he will be less willing to listen because he might feel he is the one who is being attacked.
If you ask him politely “are you aware it has been stated by someone working for saga” that money dose not exist in sonics world and then give good point out how this contradicts canon
I believe he will listen as long as you are nice and don’t suggest that anything
Number 2
Give good reasons for how this contradicts canon and show examples
If your reasoning is just that Well I don’t like it so it is bad then I don’t know about Izuka but I would not take you seriously.
So best to be safe
For the no money in sonic
I would provide pictures of all the shops in sonic games particularly in sonic world adventure and sonic 06
Or how all the casinos in sonic really don’t make sense without money
Or how there are dolar bills seen in sonic adventure 2 rouges level
Or how we see coins in sonic adventure casino
And non of that stuff come from me I got it from this video.
And Finnally I would point out the times money was actually mentioned in sonic the times vector mentioned money about how a cash prose was mentioned in team sonic racing.
how yen was mentioned in sonic colours the Japanese version.
Number 3
Post it on his facebook where everyone can see it is more likely to respond if others can see it and it gets attention
Don’t do him so only he can see it I know from experience that rarely works.
4
Make sure others do the same so it get as much attention as possible so please spread the word.
5 stop reading this and just do it go out and post something on Facebook asking Izuka if he is aware this stuff is being stated by someone working for saga and explain why you think it contradicts what was established in previous sonic games.
Just go and do it know
So to all those interested in my suggestions go just
Even though Shadow was working with Rouge and actively trying to save Omega in Episode Shadow.
"NOTHING IS CANON IN SONIC ANYMORE!"
-RadicalSoda
How we can fix the sonic canon
You know for all the complaining we do online about sonic we never actually use the ways we can actually use any of the outlets that can actually change anything
What I mean by that is when people complain about there no money in sonics world or how team dark are not friends and all that it is usually on CZcams or on some online chat room like Reddit.
Places where sonic team are never going to see or here are complaints or places where they can at least pretend to ignore them.
They never actually go to the sonic Twitter or Takashi Izuka’s Facebook account.
Now hold on a minute
I do not want you to just go complaining to Takashi Izuka about how everything wrong with sonic is his fault and demanding he change this or that in the lore.
That would just make him want to ignore your complaints and have them less likely to be agnolaged.
If we want him to listen to our opinions on why we need to do a few things
number 1
Put non of the blame on Izuka and be polite and nice
I am not saying be a suck up to him that could be off putting but I think he would be more willing to listen if you are polite to him and don’t treat him as everything is his fault.
I would recommend starting with the words “are you aware that someone working for saga stated” insert your problem with canon here and explain why you think it contradicts what has been established in previous sonic games.
I honestly don’t approve putting all the blame on Izuka when a lot of the claims like Team Dark are not friends are not made by him and he might not even be aware of it sonic is a big franchise I doubt he knows everything that is going on in it.
These claims could come from anyone at saga and If Takashi Izuka is not aware of these things
or at least not aware of how much people hate it.
then if he became aware of it and realize how much people don’t like it he is one of the few people at saga who has the power to change the canon.
If we make it
If enough people make statements on his Facebook about how they don’t like it and how they think it contradicts canon then he might be willing to change it.
After all he stated sonic was only as fast as light but when a fan posted him evidence that sonic is faster then light he said good reasearch suggesting he agreed with the fan.
But if you go in putting the blame on him for these things he will be less willing to listen because he might feel he is the one who is being attacked.
If you ask him politely “are you aware it has been stated by someone working for saga” that money dose not exist in sonics world and then give good point out how this contradicts canon
I believe he will listen as long as you are nice and don’t suggest that anything
Number 2
Give good reasons for how this contradicts canon and show examples
If your reasoning is just that Well I don’t like it so it is bad then I don’t know about Izuka but I would not take you seriously.
So best to be safe
For the no money in sonic
I would provide pictures of all the shops in sonic games particularly in sonic world adventure and sonic 06
Or how all the casinos in sonic really don’t make sense without money
Or how there are dolar bills seen in sonic adventure 2 rouges level
Or how we see coins in sonic adventure casino
And non of that stuff come from me I got it from this video.
And Finnally I would point out the times money was actually mentioned in sonic the times vector mentioned money about how a cash prose was mentioned in team sonic racing.
how yen was mentioned in sonic colours the Japanese version.
Number 3
Post it on his facebook where everyone can see it is more likely to respond if others can see it and it gets attention
Don’t do him so only he can see it I know from experience that rarely works.
4
Make sure others do the same so it get as much attention as possible so please spread the word.
5 stop reading this and just do it go out and post something on Facebook asking Izuka if he is aware this stuff is being stated by someone working for saga and explain why you think it contradicts what was established in previous sonic games.
Just go and do it know
So to all those interested in my suggestions go just
LS mark calls himself the biggest sonic fan.
but his friend sure does know a lot more about sonic
LSMakr is not a Sonic fan he said Mario Galaxy was better than any Sonic game
@@theminecraft2516 i cant tell if your joking or not but this is marks channel lol. and mark is a sonic fan. he made a whole channel about sonic lol
@@soniboy180 Lies, this is LS Mark's friend's channel. Mark said so himself multiple times, come on dude.
@@DarkkirbyKRPG your joking right? its kinda hard to tell
@@soniboy180 he's not joking. What is there to joke about.
What a hack fraud, Shadow The Hedgehog's extreme mode is the VR training that Shadow undertook to join G.U.N.
Just something about sa2 being supposibly "not canon"
Shadow's bio in the olympics is referring to Shadow's origins, stating that it was rumoured that he was BORN on the Ark, but nobody really knows because only the government and the sonic characters truly know of Shadow's origins. Also, Maria not being mentioned in Sonic 06... Doesn't really mean anything. The game did have some big continuity errors like Elise having a chaos emerald with her for 10 years which made no sense but nothing implied Sa2 never happened, and for the whole Shadow working for GUN thing, Shadow's goal is to protect the world and give people a chance to be happy and granting Maria's wish so it makes sense that he'd work for the government if it helps in doing exactly that, infact, when replaying Shadow The Hedgehog, you'll get dialogue of the president and the commander talking about Shadow's "training", which implies he's being trained to join GUN. And for the Maria having been killed thing not only did GUN regret everything that happened 50 years prior in Shadow The Hedgehog, but also Shadow is likely to have forgiven humanity considering how he let what happened in the past stay in the past and is now protecting humanity.
Also I'm pretty sure it's never been stated South Island is where all of the anthropomorphic animals come from... Cuz it wasn't. It's just one of many places they inhabit.
Also, Shadow's game's plot would explain why GUN would be... gun-ho about him joining. The GUN Commander does not hate Shadow anymore. Furthermore, he and Shadow share a past, which means that since he realized the truth about Shadow and Shadow has forgiven humanity, they now have a very, very good reason to connect. They're the only thing that connects each other to their past. They're basically family.
@@PosthumanHeresy Exactly. You get it.
@@purple5823 Yeah, there's a lot of things in Sonic where you can draw very reasonable conclusions about how weird developments happened, but the writing never focuses on them. Robotnik's grandfather and presumably cousin were murdered by the government, he wants to take over the world because he believes he should be in charge, one can see how he got there given the people in charge killed his family. Knuckles kinda has an arc from Adventure 1 to Heroes in terms of him learning to relax and socialize. The first game forcing him into the world, the second game both forcing him to care about the world and him feeling attraction for the first time, and the third showing him actually socializing with Sonic and Tails as friends, showing that he's come to trust them and feel relaxed leaving Angel Island whereas he could still be duped by Robotnik in Adventure and was resigned to fate. Shadow's plot is mostly ruined by the presentation, but the GUN Commander is interesting as hell being Shadow's only link to his past.
@@PosthumanHeresy The only part where I have to disagree is Eggman wanting to take over the world due to his family's past since it seems like not even he knew what happened to his grandfather, as the government kept everything about the event top secret and he only found out about Shadow after he first found his grandfather's diary and when first seeing something about a "top secret weapon in prison island" he went straight there to take it and didn't even finish it, only finding out about the rest during the final story. He even returns to the diary in the advance series when he discovers Emerl. I like to think he looked up to his grandfather as possibly the (at the time) greatest scientist in the world and wanted to be just like him, but overtime his ego grew so massive that he felt like due to his genius, he deserved the entire world under his control and started his quest to take over the world.
Funny how in the beginning of the video he was criticized poeple for trying so hard to find plot holes that doesn't exist and yet he does himself.
I like how IDW comics just implies that literally all games happened in canon
Even Shadow the hedgehog despite the fact that in IDW there are no humans
Izuka could've been using "worlds" in the same way Mario uses them, to mean groups of stages, which also ties in with wanting to make the series more like Mario. And how he mentioned a non-human *side.*
How we can fix the sonic canon
You know for all the complaining we do online about sonic we never actually use the ways we can actually use any of the outlets that can actually change anything
What I mean by that is when people complain about there no money in sonics world or how team dark are not friends and all that it is usually on CZcams or on some online chat room like Reddit.
Places where sonic team are never going to see or here are complaints or places where they can at least pretend to ignore them.
They never actually go to the sonic Twitter or Takashi Izuka’s Facebook account.
Now hold on a minute
I do not want you to just go complaining to Takashi Izuka about how everything wrong with sonic is his fault and demanding he change this or that in the lore.
That would just make him want to ignore your complaints and have them less likely to be agnolaged.
If we want him to listen to our opinions on why we need to do a few things
number 1
Put non of the blame on Izuka and be polite and nice
I am not saying be a suck up to him that could be off putting but I think he would be more willing to listen if you are polite to him and don’t treat him as everything is his fault.
I would recommend starting with the words “are you aware that someone working for saga stated” insert your problem with canon here and explain why you think it contradicts what has been established in previous sonic games.
I honestly don’t approve putting all the blame on Izuka when a lot of the claims like Team Dark are not friends are not made by him and he might not even be aware of it sonic is a big franchise I doubt he knows everything that is going on in it.
These claims could come from anyone at saga and If Takashi Izuka is not aware of these things
or at least not aware of how much people hate it.
then if he became aware of it and realize how much people don’t like it he is one of the few people at saga who has the power to change the canon.
If we make it
If enough people make statements on his Facebook about how they don’t like it and how they think it contradicts canon then he might be willing to change it.
After all he stated sonic was only as fast as light but when a fan posted him evidence that sonic is faster then light he said good reasearch suggesting he agreed with the fan.
But if you go in putting the blame on him for these things he will be less willing to listen because he might feel he is the one who is being attacked.
If you ask him politely “are you aware it has been stated by someone working for saga” that money dose not exist in sonics world and then give good point out how this contradicts canon
I believe he will listen as long as you are nice and don’t suggest that anything
Number 2
Give good reasons for how this contradicts canon and show examples
If your reasoning is just that Well I don’t like it so it is bad then I don’t know about Izuka but I would not take you seriously.
So best to be safe
For the no money in sonic
I would provide pictures of all the shops in sonic games particularly in sonic world adventure and sonic 06
Or how all the casinos in sonic really don’t make sense without money
Or how there are dolar bills seen in sonic adventure 2 rouges level
Or how we see coins in sonic adventure casino
And non of that stuff come from me I got it from this video.
And Finnally I would point out the times money was actually mentioned in sonic the times vector mentioned money about how a cash prose was mentioned in team sonic racing.
how yen was mentioned in sonic colours the Japanese version.
Number 3
Post it on his facebook where everyone can see it is more likely to respond if others can see it and it gets attention
Don’t do him so only he can see it I know from experience that rarely works.
4
Make sure others do the same so it get as much attention as possible so please spread the word.
5 stop reading this and just do it go out and post something on Facebook asking Izuka if he is aware this stuff is being stated by someone working for saga and explain why you think it contradicts what was established in previous sonic games.
Just go and do it know
So to all those interested in my suggestions go just
@@goldenboybenny7511 You did raise some good points about going to Izuka to politely suggest things, but I don't have Facebook and I don't have the courage to bug him directly on Twitter.
The reason a lot of people might use CZcams and comment sections to raise concerns despite not being a surefire way to speak to creators ties in with your 4th point about spreading the word: CZcams is a place where videos have the chance to gain a lot of traction and be shared all over. It's also a good way of making money.
Not to be impolite or anything, but your comment was a little difficult to read, so could you add some more punctuation and stuff?
Thanks!
Izuka: Sonic Colors is set in the non-human world
Ending cutscene for Sonic Colors: Looks a lot like where Sonic fell in Sonic Unleashed
Edit: Whoever replied to this can't tell a joke
It looks nothing alike for one there are no windmills or ocean in site why dose everyone use the slightest excuse to dissmiss Izukas word even whiteout even properly reasearch 😔
Oh yes because valleys are very uncommon
@@fedeluca4015 All I'm saying is it reminds me of Sonic Unleashed because it does look similar. Sonic coming back from outer space landing at a grassy field, it's just similar. No need to be sarcastic.
@@goldenboybenny7511 I looked at the final cutscene before posting this. And it looked similar to me. I'm only joking. Not trying to diminish his words.
Johnboy1000 sorry thought you where serious so many people will do anything to diss Izuka that I feel compelled to defend him over the slightest thing.
On that bit about how Gerald made the Ultimate Lifeform, HOLY HELL THAT'S GENIUS
It’s also supported by this hidden bit of dialogue Shadow has in final hazard.
“*laughs* Sonic I think I figured out who’s the ultimate life form. It must be you!”
I remember in Shadow the Hedgehog during the final boss, Eggman would tell Shadow that he is THE Shaodw from Adventute 2 and was saved when he hit the earth
Only takes like 9 minutes for such a simple confirmation.
@@narxmagee727 exactly like jeez. I didn't even know it was a thing until I watched a video on it
Iizuka didn't want you to hear that.
@@GUNS_jk yea of course he didn't
Warms my old heart knowing Sonic fans are starting to get sick and tired of Iizuka's BS.
They've been sick and tired for a long time now lol
@@BlueCheeseCross95 Almost like a cancer.
... lizuka wasn't the one responsible about the 2 world thing it was naka's and the whole sonic team
@@fedeluca4015 Prove it.
@@fedeluca4015 Naka left before the bullshit happened. Hes the reason it all felt connected up until Unleashed since he left during the development of 06
10:21 “dont even get me started on Sonic 06”
Immediately gets started on Sonic 06 :p
Cream and Amy’s conversion in the Japanese version is more accurate
Sounds much better
I hate how Sonic X gave a better explanation to how the moon is no longer in half than izuka himself.
Since no one else seems to be pointing it out.
It is actually shown how Shadow was training for GUN, in Shadow the Hedgehog.
There's actually a bunch of lore stuff in StH, including Eggman stating that the Player's Shadow is 100% the real one.
The fact that Ian Flynn's writing the book let's me know that the lore won't be any better than in the games but possibly a restatement by someone who has brains. (unlike izuka)
Yeah, Flynn's inherited an unholy mess of contradictitive lore and plotlines, inconsistent characterization and downright stupid writing and made it work once, he'll do it again.
Seriously Sega, please pay this man to write the games, it'll improve things by leaps and bounds.
nor teeth
How we can fix the sonic canon
You know for all the complaining we do online about sonic we never actually use the ways we can actually use any of the outlets that can actually change anything
What I mean by that is when people complain about there no money in sonics world or how team dark are not friends and all that it is usually on CZcams or on some online chat room like Reddit.
Places where sonic team are never going to see or here are complaints or places where they can at least pretend to ignore them.
They never actually go to the sonic Twitter or Takashi Izuka’s Facebook account.
Now hold on a minute
I do not want you to just go complaining to Takashi Izuka about how everything wrong with sonic is his fault and demanding he change this or that in the lore.
That would just make him want to ignore your complaints and have them less likely to be agnolaged.
If we want him to listen to our opinions on why we need to do a few things
number 1
Put non of the blame on Izuka and be polite and nice
I am not saying be a suck up to him that could be off putting but I think he would be more willing to listen if you are polite to him and don’t treat him as everything is his fault.
I would recommend starting with the words “are you aware that someone working for saga stated” insert your problem with canon here and explain why you think it contradicts what has been established in previous sonic games.
I honestly don’t approve putting all the blame on Izuka when a lot of the claims like Team Dark are not friends are not made by him and he might not even be aware of it sonic is a big franchise I doubt he knows everything that is going on in it.
These claims could come from anyone at saga and If Takashi Izuka is not aware of these things
or at least not aware of how much people hate it.
then if he became aware of it and realize how much people don’t like it he is one of the few people at saga who has the power to change the canon.
If we make it
If enough people make statements on his Facebook about how they don’t like it and how they think it contradicts canon then he might be willing to change it.
After all he stated sonic was only as fast as light but when a fan posted him evidence that sonic is faster then light he said good reasearch suggesting he agreed with the fan.
But if you go in putting the blame on him for these things he will be less willing to listen because he might feel he is the one who is being attacked.
If you ask him politely “are you aware it has been stated by someone working for saga” that money dose not exist in sonics world and then give good point out how this contradicts canon
I believe he will listen as long as you are nice and don’t suggest that anything
Number 2
Give good reasons for how this contradicts canon and show examples
If your reasoning is just that Well I don’t like it so it is bad then I don’t know about Izuka but I would not take you seriously.
So best to be safe
For the no money in sonic
I would provide pictures of all the shops in sonic games particularly in sonic world adventure and sonic 06
Or how all the casinos in sonic really don’t make sense without money
Or how there are dolar bills seen in sonic adventure 2 rouges level
Or how we see coins in sonic adventure casino
And non of that stuff come from me I got it from this video.
And Finnally I would point out the times money was actually mentioned in sonic the times vector mentioned money about how a cash prose was mentioned in team sonic racing.
how yen was mentioned in sonic colours the Japanese version.
Number 3
Post it on his facebook where everyone can see it is more likely to respond if others can see it and it gets attention
Don’t do him so only he can see it I know from experience that rarely works.
4
Make sure others do the same so it get as much attention as possible so please spread the word.
5 stop reading this and just do it go out and post something on Facebook asking Izuka if he is aware this stuff is being stated by someone working for saga and explain why you think it contradicts what was established in previous sonic games.
Just go and do it know
So to all those interested in my suggestions go just
@@goldenboybenny7511 I don't use twitter
Elijah Pippin
Then go to Izuka’s Facebook account that what I did.
FNaF lore: I fear no man.. but that thing,,
*The Sonic lore*
FNaF lore: _It scares me.._
I hope the next video is a 2 and a half hour discussion about Sonic's different hairstyles between movies, cartoons, games and comics.
I swear the Sonic lore is more confusing than the FNaF lore now
@Chip Wiseman You couldn't be more wrong
@Chip Wiseman No, the FNAF is intentionally confusing to keep people guessing/interested. The Sonic Lore is confusing because they retcon everything.
The simpsons lore is the most confusing lore,they got they past,but they get they present timeline for more than 20 years...
How we can fix the sonic canon
You know for all the complaining we do online about sonic we never actually use the ways we can actually use any of the outlets that can actually change anything
What I mean by that is when people complain about there no money in sonics world or how team dark are not friends and all that it is usually on CZcams or on some online chat room like Reddit.
Places where sonic team are never going to see or here are complaints or places where they can at least pretend to ignore them.
They never actually go to the sonic Twitter or Takashi Izuka’s Facebook account.
Now hold on a minute
I do not want you to just go complaining to Takashi Izuka about how everything wrong with sonic is his fault and demanding he change this or that in the lore.
That would just make him want to ignore your complaints and have them less likely to be agnolaged.
If we want him to listen to our opinions on why we need to do a few things
number 1
Put non of the blame on Izuka and be polite and nice
I am not saying be a suck up to him that could be off putting but I think he would be more willing to listen if you are polite to him and don’t treat him as everything is his fault.
I would recommend starting with the words “are you aware that someone working for saga stated” insert your problem with canon here and explain why you think it contradicts what has been established in previous sonic games.
I honestly don’t approve putting all the blame on Izuka when a lot of the claims like Team Dark are not friends are not made by him and he might not even be aware of it sonic is a big franchise I doubt he knows everything that is going on in it.
These claims could come from anyone at saga and If Takashi Izuka is not aware of these things
or at least not aware of how much people hate it.
then if he became aware of it and realize how much people don’t like it he is one of the few people at saga who has the power to change the canon.
If we make it
If enough people make statements on his Facebook about how they don’t like it and how they think it contradicts canon then he might be willing to change it.
After all he stated sonic was only as fast as light but when a fan posted him evidence that sonic is faster then light he said good reasearch suggesting he agreed with the fan.
But if you go in putting the blame on him for these things he will be less willing to listen because he might feel he is the one who is being attacked.
If you ask him politely “are you aware it has been stated by someone working for saga” that money dose not exist in sonics world and then give good point out how this contradicts canon
I believe he will listen as long as you are nice and don’t suggest that anything
Number 2
Give good reasons for how this contradicts canon and show examples
If your reasoning is just that Well I don’t like it so it is bad then I don’t know about Izuka but I would not take you seriously.
So best to be safe
For the no money in sonic
I would provide pictures of all the shops in sonic games particularly in sonic world adventure and sonic 06
Or how all the casinos in sonic really don’t make sense without money
Or how there are dolar bills seen in sonic adventure 2 rouges level
Or how we see coins in sonic adventure casino
And non of that stuff come from me I got it from this video.
And Finnally I would point out the times money was actually mentioned in sonic the times vector mentioned money about how a cash prose was mentioned in team sonic racing.
how yen was mentioned in sonic colours the Japanese version.
Number 3
Post it on his facebook where everyone can see it is more likely to respond if others can see it and it gets attention
Don’t do him so only he can see it I know from experience that rarely works.
4
Make sure others do the same so it get as much attention as possible so please spread the word.
5 stop reading this and just do it go out and post something on Facebook asking Izuka if he is aware this stuff is being stated by someone working for saga and explain why you think it contradicts what was established in previous sonic games.
Just go and do it know
So to all those interested in my suggestions go just
And Kingdom Hearts
I'm so tired of "it's just Sonic" being an excuse for the continuity. It's not even like the Sonic games have an overarching plot, it would just feel nice if some things felt connected which they did but somehow SEGA fucked it up. Making so many bold claims that drastically shift the lore but nothing of substance to go along with it because it's usually on the spot and never gets explained or expanded on further. Was it so much to ask that Sonic felt somewhat connected. I don't think so but apparently I'm wrong.
How we can fix the sonic canon
You know for all the complaining we do online about sonic we never actually use the ways we can actually use any of the outlets that can actually change anything
What I mean by that is when people complain about there no money in sonics world or how team dark are not friends and all that it is usually on CZcams or on some online chat room like Reddit.
Places where sonic team are never going to see or here are complaints or places where they can at least pretend to ignore them.
They never actually go to the sonic Twitter or Takashi Izuka’s Facebook account.
Now hold on a minute
I do not want you to just go complaining to Takashi Izuka about how everything wrong with sonic is his fault and demanding he change this or that in the lore.
That would just make him want to ignore your complaints and have them less likely to be agnolaged.
If we want him to listen to our opinions on why we need to do a few things
number 1
Put non of the blame on Izuka and be polite and nice
I am not saying be a suck up to him that could be off putting but I think he would be more willing to listen if you are polite to him and don’t treat him as everything is his fault.
I would recommend starting with the words “are you aware that someone working for saga stated” insert your problem with canon here and explain why you think it contradicts what has been established in previous sonic games.
I honestly don’t approve putting all the blame on Izuka when a lot of the claims like Team Dark are not friends are not made by him and he might not even be aware of it sonic is a big franchise I doubt he knows everything that is going on in it.
These claims could come from anyone at saga and If Takashi Izuka is not aware of these things
or at least not aware of how much people hate it.
then if he became aware of it and realize how much people don’t like it he is one of the few people at saga who has the power to change the canon.
If we make it
If enough people make statements on his Facebook about how they don’t like it and how they think it contradicts canon then he might be willing to change it.
After all he stated sonic was only as fast as light but when a fan posted him evidence that sonic is faster then light he said good reasearch suggesting he agreed with the fan.
But if you go in putting the blame on him for these things he will be less willing to listen because he might feel he is the one who is being attacked.
If you ask him politely “are you aware it has been stated by someone working for saga” that money dose not exist in sonics world and then give good point out how this contradicts canon
I believe he will listen as long as you are nice and don’t suggest that anything
Number 2
Give good reasons for how this contradicts canon and show examples
If your reasoning is just that Well I don’t like it so it is bad then I don’t know about Izuka but I would not take you seriously.
So best to be safe
For the no money in sonic
I would provide pictures of all the shops in sonic games particularly in sonic world adventure and sonic 06
Or how all the casinos in sonic really don’t make sense without money
Or how there are dolar bills seen in sonic adventure 2 rouges level
Or how we see coins in sonic adventure casino
And non of that stuff come from me I got it from this video.
And Finnally I would point out the times money was actually mentioned in sonic the times vector mentioned money about how a cash prose was mentioned in team sonic racing.
how yen was mentioned in sonic colours the Japanese version.
Number 3
Post it on his facebook where everyone can see it is more likely to respond if others can see it and it gets attention
Don’t do him so only he can see it I know from experience that rarely works.
4
Make sure others do the same so it get as much attention as possible so please spread the word.
5 stop reading this and just do it go out and post something on Facebook asking Izuka if he is aware this stuff is being stated by someone working for saga and explain why you think it contradicts what was established in previous sonic games.
Just go and do it know
So to all those interested in my suggestions go just
The Archie Comics were alot more consistent in the lore with later issues before the reboot and that's why I prefer them.
Thats great since its a comic. It kinda has to be lol. But I wish the games did the same thing. They have SO much material to work with its crazy.
@@justcallmekai1554 If SEGA payed attention to Ian Flynn's talent of a writer earlier and hired him to plot the games, the past ones Would have had more sensible stories.
@@TheLastBabyMan Ian Flynn wanted the comics to be more like the games, basically stripping the world of Archie Sonic of its charm.
@@sonicstar917 Flynn’s comics world building had far more charm than Penders’ garbage ever did
@@charlieharrington9555 IDW is as shallow as they come. Just surface-level fanservice with all the blatant references (i.e., song lyrics substituted as dialogue, game locations thrown in with no explanation or reason, characters acting like idiots to advance the plot, etc.).
Hi, SplashDash. It's time for your annual dose of "defending the Dimension concept", coming from people who actually don't even like Forces at all.
See, in the SXSW a couple years back, upon being asked about it, it was confirmed by Izuka that Generations caused a timeline split and those timelines happened to be called dimensions.
You see, Classic Sonic was never suppossed to be pulled into Generations. There was no Generations in the 90s.
Modern Sonic never experienced the events of Generations in his young Classic form. If the two were from the same timeline, Modern Sonic should've experienced it while he was young.
As the time itself was fixed by the Sonics at the end of the game, the unity of timelines was impossible to fully repair. Modern Sonic went off to experience Lost World while Classic's whole timeline was scrambled and he would later be in Sonic Mania, a game which Modern Sonic was never able to experience unlike the classic games.
This has been my TED talk. I am defending this based in what i'm making sense of it. Please don't comment with "It's not canon unless it was stated in the games". You very well know that the comics build off from the games so well that those may be canon for the games.
Nice
I liked this better than the explanation that Kingdom Hearts ruined Donald Duck lore, and now compulsive escapists have their lives ruined by Sony because they let fiction have plot holes.
This explanation has the same problem as the whole Shadow/Hidden Palace Mural connection. It's never stated or implied in the game, so it's just headcanon.
I mean, even if one accepts this theory, how the hell does Tails know about it? The last time he saw Classic Sonic was in Generations, when he clearly was Sonic from the past. Then, when Tails sees the same Sonic again, his first thought is:
"Oh you're that Sonic from another dimension"
and not
"Oh you're that Sonic from the past".
How does that make sense? Did Tails just randomly have a thought about quantum mechanics the moment he saw Classic Sonic, despite having no reason to do so?
link?
@@marvelfannumber1 I mean, it's just logic that meeting your future self would influence your own future? Tails is a smart guy just like Eggman who both acknowledge the different dimensions thing. Also, is it just headcanon if it's confirmed?
There's actually an explanation as to why Shadow works with GUN: Shadow saves everybody from Black Doom and the Commander realizes he was wrong about him
In the unlocked hard mode of Shadow the Hedgehog, he seemingly goes through training of some sort
I always thought that Cream was going to say, "Sonic must be really shy."
Shadow in 06 is the same Shadow in SA2, in the final moments of the final boss of Shadow's game, Eggman says that he saved Shadow with a robot when he was falling to the earth.
"And don't get me started on Sonic 06!" he says, immediately swan-diving into Sonic 06.
dang imagine like actually having a cohesive franchise will call backs and lore that makes sense
couldn't be sega
I can take it as headcanon that Gerald based the ultimate lifeforms off the murals. It had never actually crossed my mind just how similar the Biolizard is to Perfect Chaos, seems like way too much of a coincedence especially with the roar.
_To think something as simple as Sonic can have such a Complex Lore surrounding the series. But Izuka saying whatever at the top of his head made it so._
Sonic was born on Christmas Island, also called Kiritimati.
"Money does not exist in the Sonic universe."
Then how does society function in Station Square? Any kind of tangible item that can be exchanged for goods and services is considered money. Are we just expected to believe that Station Square exists as a Tazmily Village-esque metropolis? And isn't one of Rouge's primary character traits her desire for money, and how she (somewhat) overcomes this character flaw to be there for her friends? Why would she work for G.U.N. other to get paid? Why would she be obsessed with jewels and emeralds if they didn't have a chance to be sold for tons of money? Iizuka really doesn't think his responses through.
"Don't even get me started on 06"
Proceededs to talk about 06😂
Confusing is an understatement.
Me: Sees Shadow in the thumbnail falling to earth before seeing or reading anything else
Me: already crying
Mark it means “SOCIETY” if anyone knew Japanese would know that he means world “Society” wise. Just look up the word World in Japanese it has three different meanings, if you read the Sonic Heroes manual it says that Sonic hates discrimination. So clearly they are talking about the society point of view I promise no one really tried to put in effort when they researched this stuff. That’s why you don’t see animals in Sonic X it could be giving that same meaning. The President says in the Japanese version that they could become fully fledged citizens if they want to. And as Sega said they did change things in X to make more sense and something’s are still not cannon. But it makes sense with the context given to us.
And editors note CLASSIC SONIC IS NOT FROM A DIFFERENT DIMENSION the Japanese translation in Forces says WORLD, which can also be used in the sense of time dang it. Just put in a little effort on the research and just go off of someone who hasn’t did research to find out anything. I’m not mad at Mark I mad that no one has said this already it’s been 4 years now.
Eh , it’s still very confusing to follow. SEGA definitely needs to clear up confusion instead of adding to it.
@@bobismad1362 Yes that's true but I'm just saying well probably not get it because Sonic team doesn't put in effort into making sure things are clear. Like Mark said not good management.
You dropped this king 👑
I understood this too. Especially since the guy is Japanese and when I hear him speak English, it's apparent that he's translating what he'd normally say in Japanese literally. So I assume the wording means different things than it usually would.
I don't perceive "world" as "dimension" or "planet", but just as the world portrayed in that specific game. And Classic Sonic in Generations has obviously experienced things Sonic did not in his past, thus making it a NEO Classic Sonic and a new timeline. That's a whole different world right there. They are adding fuel to the fire by confusing people with their wording, but it IS technically accurate.
@@Axxidous The timeline hasn’t actually changed to be honest go and look at Sonic Loreposting on Twitter. Where they try to explain how the timeline for the games actually go. And even though he speaks English that interview wasn’t in English itself. There wasn’t a translator error in the interview it was no defined right, he said world but it has 3 different meanings it doesn’t change the word because Japan has different ways of saying the same word. With different pronunciations and tones. He maybe can speak a pretty good English but he’s not writing every script and translating his own interviews.
I heard a theory that the reason tails says classic sonic was from a different dimension was that the classic timeline was split by the events of generations. One where classic grows up to be modern sonic and the other one that experiences mania and forces.
That adds up and it's what I've been trying to tell myself for years, but I know in my heart that modern Sonic Team (or at least Pontac and Graff) wouldn't even put that much thought into being consistent.
Some of my favourite ones include but are not limited to:
-Classic as a whole being from other dimension instead of the past when it was so easy to just say they split after Generations due to the messing with time
-Blaze and Eggman Nega going from another dimension or the future whenever the fuck they want
-Silver still being here (I love Silver but after 06 why or more so how the fuck is he here)
-Shadow's fucking character as a whole and anything surrounding him or the ARK
-Money not being a thing except you have three characters LITERALLY almost always talking about the rent
-The moon just turning around whenever the fuck it wants somehow
-Sonic going to 2 separate worlds without any explanation on how they do that
I know most of these were said already but I just wanted to write how stupid some of this is.
How we can fix the sonic canon
You know for all the complaining we do online about sonic we never actually use the ways we can actually use any of the outlets that can actually change anything
What I mean by that is when people complain about there no money in sonics world or how team dark are not friends and all that it is usually on CZcams or on some online chat room like Reddit.
Places where sonic team are never going to see or here are complaints or places where they can at least pretend to ignore them.
They never actually go to the sonic Twitter or Takashi Izuka’s Facebook account.
Now hold on a minute
I do not want you to just go complaining to Takashi Izuka about how everything wrong with sonic is his fault and demanding he change this or that in the lore.
That would just make him want to ignore your complaints and have them less likely to be agnolaged.
If we want him to listen to our opinions on why we need to do a few things
number 1
Put non of the blame on Izuka and be polite and nice
I am not saying be a suck up to him that could be off putting but I think he would be more willing to listen if you are polite to him and don’t treat him as everything is his fault.
I would recommend starting with the words “are you aware that someone working for saga stated” insert your problem with canon here and explain why you think it contradicts what has been established in previous sonic games.
I honestly don’t approve putting all the blame on Izuka when a lot of the claims like Team Dark are not friends are not made by him and he might not even be aware of it sonic is a big franchise I doubt he knows everything that is going on in it.
These claims could come from anyone at saga and If Takashi Izuka is not aware of these things
or at least not aware of how much people hate it.
then if he became aware of it and realize how much people don’t like it he is one of the few people at saga who has the power to change the canon.
If we make it
If enough people make statements on his Facebook about how they don’t like it and how they think it contradicts canon then he might be willing to change it.
After all he stated sonic was only as fast as light but when a fan posted him evidence that sonic is faster then light he said good reasearch suggesting he agreed with the fan.
But if you go in putting the blame on him for these things he will be less willing to listen because he might feel he is the one who is being attacked.
If you ask him politely “are you aware it has been stated by someone working for saga” that money dose not exist in sonics world and then give good point out how this contradicts canon
I believe he will listen as long as you are nice and don’t suggest that anything
Number 2
Give good reasons for how this contradicts canon and show examples
If your reasoning is just that Well I don’t like it so it is bad then I don’t know about Izuka but I would not take you seriously.
So best to be safe
For the no money in sonic
I would provide pictures of all the shops in sonic games particularly in sonic world adventure and sonic 06
Or how all the casinos in sonic really don’t make sense without money
Or how there are dolar bills seen in sonic adventure 2 rouges level
Or how we see coins in sonic adventure casino
And non of that stuff come from me I got it from this video.
And Finnally I would point out the times money was actually mentioned in sonic the times vector mentioned money about how a cash prose was mentioned in team sonic racing.
how yen was mentioned in sonic colours the Japanese version.
Number 3
Post it on his facebook where everyone can see it is more likely to respond if others can see it and it gets attention
Don’t do him so only he can see it I know from experience that rarely works.
4
Make sure others do the same so it get as much attention as possible so please spread the word.
5 stop reading this and just do it go out and post something on Facebook asking Izuka if he is aware this stuff is being stated by someone working for saga and explain why you think it contradicts what was established in previous sonic games.
Just go and do it know
So to all those interested in my suggestions go just
6:40 there's a symbol within that Solaris-like symbol on the Tram Sonic Racing track that resembles Blaze the Cat's head. Perhaps a reference to Silver's ending in Sonic 06 in which Blaze sacrifices herself to contain Iblis?
Tails said that "different dimensions" bullshit in generations too. I think tails is just confused at this point
As much as I want all of this to be fixed, having the franchise be ''soft-rebooted'' makes me scared that games like Sonic 3, Adventure 1 & 2, etc will be erased from canon.
If I could soft-boot the franchise, here's what I would do.
1. Some games just aren't canon. Mainly Forces and Lost World because f*ck the Zeti
2. Sonic 06 will be rewritten somewhat, mainly keeping Sonic and Elise as only friends, the Chaos Emeralds unable to cause time travel via Chaos Control, time travel itself being exclusive to Silver heading to the present thanks to Mephelis, Knuckles won't be present as he isn't needed in the story, etc.
3. Eggman Nega is a interdimensional time-travelling criminal, justifying why he's able to screw with both Blaze and Silver
4. Blaze herself was sent to the future after Rush due to the Jewel Scepter being damanged and warping her through time and space to Silver's future. After her sacrifice she's sent back home with Iblis' power staying inside the Scepter. Something like that, I think. I just like the connection Blaze and Silver have.
5. Yes, classic characters are canon. There's no timeline split or classic dimension. After Generations, Classic Sonic and all those impacted by Generations basically forgot the events of Generations and things are restored to normal.
6. Shadow has friends. Screw you Izuka.
7. Hyper forms are canon. After Mecha Sonic's battle with Knuckles destroys Sky Sanctuary outright, Hidden Palace is buried as well including the emerald podiums. This is why Knuckles uses a different emerald shrine for the Master Emerald and thus why the emeralds can't be powered up. If the Hidden Palace was unearthed again, Mecha Sonic could possibly be freed.
8. After Egg Revivre, Sonic got sent to Angel Island and the events of Mania Adventures begins. After the Christmas Special, Heavy Magician comes out of hiding with her having possesion of the Phantom Ruby all along and Encore Mode commences.
9. Money exists. Screw you again Izuka.
10. After 06, Silver contains a reminiscent of Mephiles' power, but due to only having a small bit of it, he can only time travel in 200 year intervals. As time still moves forward, his future is exactly 200 year intervals ahead of Sonic's.
11. Amy's characterisation in games like Heroes and Battle is rewritten a bit so that she's less of a prick and more in-line with SA1 and 2. Same with Shadow in his game.
12. www.deviantart.com/majinssketchbook/art/Sonic-World-Map-748463079
This is Sonic's world. Just ONE world (aside from Blaze's dimension). It's generally called Earth like in SA2, but also goes by Mobius. Aside from the Lost Hex and any locations shown in Forces, this map is what happened. So that means Green Hill isn't on the god damn mainland like it WAS IN FORCES AHHHHHHHHHHH
13. Screw you Izuka.
I like this, it makessense, and works out. Nice! 👍,
it's good and all, but...
we need orbot and cubot to stay
@@chrisprattofficial yeah Eggman plays good off those two so they stay
Did Iizuka himself say that Shadow has no friends or that Sonic's world has no money, or did you hear that from Ian Flynn?
How we can fix the sonic canon
You know for all the complaining we do online about sonic we never actually use the ways we can actually use any of the outlets that can actually change anything
What I mean by that is when people complain about there no money in sonics world or how team dark are not friends and all that it is usually on CZcams or on some online chat room like Reddit.
Places where sonic team are never going to see or here are complaints or places where they can at least pretend to ignore them.
They never actually go to the sonic Twitter or Takashi Izuka’s Facebook account.
Now hold on a minute
I do not want you to just go complaining to Takashi Izuka about how everything wrong with sonic is his fault and demanding he change this or that in the lore.
That would just make him want to ignore your complaints and have them less likely to be agnolaged.
If we want him to listen to our opinions on why we need to do a few things
number 1
Put non of the blame on Izuka and be polite and nice
I am not saying be a suck up to him that could be off putting but I think he would be more willing to listen if you are polite to him and don’t treat him as everything is his fault.
I would recommend starting with the words “are you aware that someone working for saga stated” insert your problem with canon here and explain why you think it contradicts what has been established in previous sonic games.
I honestly don’t approve putting all the blame on Izuka when a lot of the claims like Team Dark are not friends are not made by him and he might not even be aware of it sonic is a big franchise I doubt he knows everything that is going on in it.
These claims could come from anyone at saga and If Takashi Izuka is not aware of these things
or at least not aware of how much people hate it.
then if he became aware of it and realize how much people don’t like it he is one of the few people at saga who has the power to change the canon.
If we make it
If enough people make statements on his Facebook about how they don’t like it and how they think it contradicts canon then he might be willing to change it.
After all he stated sonic was only as fast as light but when a fan posted him evidence that sonic is faster then light he said good reasearch suggesting he agreed with the fan.
But if you go in putting the blame on him for these things he will be less willing to listen because he might feel he is the one who is being attacked.
If you ask him politely “are you aware it has been stated by someone working for saga” that money dose not exist in sonics world and then give good point out how this contradicts canon
I believe he will listen as long as you are nice and don’t suggest that anything
Number 2
Give good reasons for how this contradicts canon and show examples
If your reasoning is just that Well I don’t like it so it is bad then I don’t know about Izuka but I would not take you seriously.
So best to be safe
For the no money in sonic
I would provide pictures of all the shops in sonic games particularly in sonic world adventure and sonic 06
Or how all the casinos in sonic really don’t make sense without money
Or how there are dolar bills seen in sonic adventure 2 rouges level
Or how we see coins in sonic adventure casino
And non of that stuff come from me I got it from this video.
And Finnally I would point out the times money was actually mentioned in sonic the times vector mentioned money about how a cash prose was mentioned in team sonic racing.
how yen was mentioned in sonic colours the Japanese version.
Number 3
Post it on his facebook where everyone can see it is more likely to respond if others can see it and it gets attention
Don’t do him so only he can see it I know from experience that rarely works.
4
Make sure others do the same so it get as much attention as possible so please spread the word.
5 stop reading this and just do it go out and post something on Facebook asking Izuka if he is aware this stuff is being stated by someone working for saga and explain why you think it contradicts what was established in previous sonic games.
Just go and do it know
So to all those interested in my suggestions go just
6:10 this has always been my headcanon for why shadow is so similar to sonic, since story wise, there's really no reason why they would be so similar
Hmm
I can explain every single one of these issues...... translation errors
How we can fix the sonic canon
You know for all the complaining we do online about sonic we never actually use the ways we can actually use any of the outlets that can actually change anything
What I mean by that is when people complain about there no money in sonics world or how team dark are not friends and all that it is usually on CZcams or on some online chat room like Reddit.
Places where sonic team are never going to see or here are complaints or places where they can at least pretend to ignore them.
They never actually go to the sonic Twitter or Takashi Izuka’s Facebook account.
Now hold on a minute
I do not want you to just go complaining to Takashi Izuka about how everything wrong with sonic is his fault and demanding he change this or that in the lore.
That would just make him want to ignore your complaints and have them less likely to be agnolaged.
If we want him to listen to our opinions on why we need to do a few things
number 1
Put non of the blame on Izuka and be polite and nice
I am not saying be a suck up to him that could be off putting but I think he would be more willing to listen if you are polite to him and don’t treat him as everything is his fault.
I would recommend starting with the words “are you aware that someone working for saga stated” insert your problem with canon here and explain why you think it contradicts what has been established in previous sonic games.
I honestly don’t approve putting all the blame on Izuka when a lot of the claims like Team Dark are not friends are not made by him and he might not even be aware of it sonic is a big franchise I doubt he knows everything that is going on in it.
These claims could come from anyone at saga and If Takashi Izuka is not aware of these things
or at least not aware of how much people hate it.
then if he became aware of it and realize how much people don’t like it he is one of the few people at saga who has the power to change the canon.
If we make it
If enough people make statements on his Facebook about how they don’t like it and how they think it contradicts canon then he might be willing to change it.
After all he stated sonic was only as fast as light but when a fan posted him evidence that sonic is faster then light he said good reasearch suggesting he agreed with the fan.
But if you go in putting the blame on him for these things he will be less willing to listen because he might feel he is the one who is being attacked.
If you ask him politely “are you aware it has been stated by someone working for saga” that money dose not exist in sonics world and then give good point out how this contradicts canon
I believe he will listen as long as you are nice and don’t suggest that anything
Number 2
Give good reasons for how this contradicts canon and show examples
If your reasoning is just that Well I don’t like it so it is bad then I don’t know about Izuka but I would not take you seriously.
So best to be safe
For the no money in sonic
I would provide pictures of all the shops in sonic games particularly in sonic world adventure and sonic 06
Or how all the casinos in sonic really don’t make sense without money
Or how there are dolar bills seen in sonic adventure 2 rouges level
Or how we see coins in sonic adventure casino
And non of that stuff come from me I got it from this video.
And Finnally I would point out the times money was actually mentioned in sonic the times vector mentioned money about how a cash prose was mentioned in team sonic racing.
how yen was mentioned in sonic colours the Japanese version.
Number 3
Post it on his facebook where everyone can see it is more likely to respond if others can see it and it gets attention
Don’t do him so only he can see it I know from experience that rarely works.
4
Make sure others do the same so it get as much attention as possible so please spread the word.
5 stop reading this and just do it go out and post something on Facebook asking Izuka if he is aware this stuff is being stated by someone working for saga and explain why you think it contradicts what was established in previous sonic games.
Just go and do it know
So to all those interested in my suggestions go just
Maria has always been canon. Idk why anyone would assume otherwise. I get that the lore about shadows past is so all over the place because they retold it like 3 times in different canon games but shadow not mentioning Maria as much is because his character has developed. Hes made his promise to Maria and hes keeping it by working with sonic. Theres nothing left there to talk about.
When it comes to blaze easy answer. Time moves differently in her dimension. That why she able to be in the future. But clearly it doesn't compare to the genius answer that is " Everyone had Amnesia".
I know this was 4 months ago, but the continuity for Shadow the Hedgehog - S06 is addressed in the Hard Mode hero missions in Shadow the Hedgehog where it seems like that's post game training missions for GUN
Imagine for the next game, they just straight up say "Everything after this game isn't cannon". Never will, but that's the dream universe I want a part of.
Ditto
How we can fix the sonic canon
You know for all the complaining we do online about sonic we never actually use the ways we can actually use any of the outlets that can actually change anything
What I mean by that is when people complain about there no money in sonics world or how team dark are not friends and all that it is usually on CZcams or on some online chat room like Reddit.
Places where sonic team are never going to see or here are complaints or places where they can at least pretend to ignore them.
They never actually go to the sonic Twitter or Takashi Izuka’s Facebook account.
Now hold on a minute
I do not want you to just go complaining to Takashi Izuka about how everything wrong with sonic is his fault and demanding he change this or that in the lore.
That would just make him want to ignore your complaints and have them less likely to be agnolaged.
If we want him to listen to our opinions on why we need to do a few things
number 1
Put non of the blame on Izuka and be polite and nice
I am not saying be a suck up to him that could be off putting but I think he would be more willing to listen if you are polite to him and don’t treat him as everything is his fault.
I would recommend starting with the words “are you aware that someone working for saga stated” insert your problem with canon here and explain why you think it contradicts what has been established in previous sonic games.
I honestly don’t approve putting all the blame on Izuka when a lot of the claims like Team Dark are not friends are not made by him and he might not even be aware of it sonic is a big franchise I doubt he knows everything that is going on in it.
These claims could come from anyone at saga and If Takashi Izuka is not aware of these things
or at least not aware of how much people hate it.
then if he became aware of it and realize how much people don’t like it he is one of the few people at saga who has the power to change the canon.
If we make it
If enough people make statements on his Facebook about how they don’t like it and how they think it contradicts canon then he might be willing to change it.
After all he stated sonic was only as fast as light but when a fan posted him evidence that sonic is faster then light he said good reasearch suggesting he agreed with the fan.
But if you go in putting the blame on him for these things he will be less willing to listen because he might feel he is the one who is being attacked.
If you ask him politely “are you aware it has been stated by someone working for saga” that money dose not exist in sonics world and then give good point out how this contradicts canon
I believe he will listen as long as you are nice and don’t suggest that anything
Number 2
Give good reasons for how this contradicts canon and show examples
If your reasoning is just that Well I don’t like it so it is bad then I don’t know about Izuka but I would not take you seriously.
So best to be safe
For the no money in sonic
I would provide pictures of all the shops in sonic games particularly in sonic world adventure and sonic 06
Or how all the casinos in sonic really don’t make sense without money
Or how there are dolar bills seen in sonic adventure 2 rouges level
Or how we see coins in sonic adventure casino
And non of that stuff come from me I got it from this video.
And Finnally I would point out the times money was actually mentioned in sonic the times vector mentioned money about how a cash prose was mentioned in team sonic racing.
how yen was mentioned in sonic colours the Japanese version.
Number 3
Post it on his facebook where everyone can see it is more likely to respond if others can see it and it gets attention
Don’t do him so only he can see it I know from experience that rarely works.
4
Make sure others do the same so it get as much attention as possible so please spread the word.
5 stop reading this and just do it go out and post something on Facebook asking Izuka if he is aware this stuff is being stated by someone working for saga and explain why you think it contradicts what was established in previous sonic games.
Just go and do it know
So to all those interested in my suggestions go just
In Shadow’s expert mode, which you get after getting all A ranks and collectibles, you go through the stages again with new dialogue and the gun commander invites him to have a talk, we can link this to Shadow going gun pretty neatly.
Nothing and everything is canon at the same time
So Schrodinger’s Canon LOL
@@Doctor_Odin exactly
i'm a big fan of continuity, this makes me weep.
I think 06 is cannon with SA2 and Shadow The Hedgehog. After the events of STH, Shadow decided to leave the past behind, and what's a better way to do so than joining the G.U.N and protect the world? That's why he never talks about the past in this game, yet Mephiles The Dark still tries to reignite his anger towards humanity.
I honestly think it’s easier for me to follow the Sonic lore without including 06 cause the reset at the end meant nothing happened anyway, so I don’t think it’s crucial to include that game when it basically never happened. That’s why I still consider Blaze to be from a different dimension.
Modern sonic in sonic heroes book: 15 years old.
Classic sonic in sonic jam book: 16 years old.
Me: *Visible Confusion*
Yup Sonic ages backwards (which considering how screwed up the continuity is) makes sense lol!
I guess its noteworthy that Sonic Jam's Japanese version list sonic as 15-16 rather than just 16 for some odd reasons.
How we can fix the sonic canon
You know for all the complaining we do online about sonic we never actually use the ways we can actually use any of the outlets that can actually change anything
What I mean by that is when people complain about there no money in sonics world or how team dark are not friends and all that it is usually on CZcams or on some online chat room like Reddit.
Places where sonic team are never going to see or here are complaints or places where they can at least pretend to ignore them.
They never actually go to the sonic Twitter or Takashi Izuka’s Facebook account.
Now hold on a minute
I do not want you to just go complaining to Takashi Izuka about how everything wrong with sonic is his fault and demanding he change this or that in the lore.
That would just make him want to ignore your complaints and have them less likely to be agnolaged.
If we want him to listen to our opinions on why we need to do a few things
number 1
Put non of the blame on Izuka and be polite and nice
I am not saying be a suck up to him that could be off putting but I think he would be more willing to listen if you are polite to him and don’t treat him as everything is his fault.
I would recommend starting with the words “are you aware that someone working for saga stated” insert your problem with canon here and explain why you think it contradicts what has been established in previous sonic games.
I honestly don’t approve putting all the blame on Izuka when a lot of the claims like Team Dark are not friends are not made by him and he might not even be aware of it sonic is a big franchise I doubt he knows everything that is going on in it.
These claims could come from anyone at saga and If Takashi Izuka is not aware of these things
or at least not aware of how much people hate it.
then if he became aware of it and realize how much people don’t like it he is one of the few people at saga who has the power to change the canon.
If we make it
If enough people make statements on his Facebook about how they don’t like it and how they think it contradicts canon then he might be willing to change it.
After all he stated sonic was only as fast as light but when a fan posted him evidence that sonic is faster then light he said good reasearch suggesting he agreed with the fan.
But if you go in putting the blame on him for these things he will be less willing to listen because he might feel he is the one who is being attacked.
If you ask him politely “are you aware it has been stated by someone working for saga” that money dose not exist in sonics world and then give good point out how this contradicts canon
I believe he will listen as long as you are nice and don’t suggest that anything
Number 2
Give good reasons for how this contradicts canon and show examples
If your reasoning is just that Well I don’t like it so it is bad then I don’t know about Izuka but I would not take you seriously.
So best to be safe
For the no money in sonic
I would provide pictures of all the shops in sonic games particularly in sonic world adventure and sonic 06
Or how all the casinos in sonic really don’t make sense without money
Or how there are dolar bills seen in sonic adventure 2 rouges level
Or how we see coins in sonic adventure casino
And non of that stuff come from me I got it from this video.
And Finnally I would point out the times money was actually mentioned in sonic the times vector mentioned money about how a cash prose was mentioned in team sonic racing.
how yen was mentioned in sonic colours the Japanese version.
Number 3
Post it on his facebook where everyone can see it is more likely to respond if others can see it and it gets attention
Don’t do him so only he can see it I know from experience that rarely works.
4
Make sure others do the same so it get as much attention as possible so please spread the word.
5 stop reading this and just do it go out and post something on Facebook asking Izuka if he is aware this stuff is being stated by someone working for saga and explain why you think it contradicts what was established in previous sonic games.
Just go and do it know
So to all those interested in my suggestions go just
Retcon, and the japanese version of jam saying he is around 15 to 16
I remember when this franchise was just about a little hedgehog running around destroying robots
Sonic fans: can you make lore make sense
Izuka: no
*sigh* Used to be so simple, until a certain SOMEONE decided to ruin it...
11:37 Tbh, Shadow's own game makes him joining GUN actually make a degree of sense. The GUN Commander no longer hates him, he sided with GUN during the intergalactic war, and he was the hero that saved everyone rather than Sonic. Plus the raid that killed Maria was over 50 years ago, so everyone responsible is dead. The GUN Commander is the only connection to his past left alive, so it would even make sense for them to connect. Both are survivors of the genocide on the ARK, both cared for Maria, and both spent a long time deeply traumatized with a hate-boner for each other.
Actually if you get all a ranks in shadow the hedgehog you can play a harder version where the president and the gun general get shadow to join gun and train him
Im so happy someone else made the connection between the Super Sonic mural in Hidden Palace and the creation of Shadow. Like yeah it probably wasnt intentional BUT choosing to use it as a thread to connect the lore just works really well.
Izuka should be fired
Did you see the shadow the hedgehog dialogue from if you wait around on the final boss? Eggman deadass explains what haplened to shadow between sa2 and heroes
8:40 Sonic uses teleportation rings, which was established in the Sonic Movie
9:32 Tails misspoke, and he was going to correct himself, but he figured it was too late
11:11 Frontiers reestablished its canonicity
12:07 If 06 was reestablished as canon, it meant that the ending changed, where Elise didn’t blow out the Flames of Disaster
12:37:
im gonna cry
Actually, there's a review of Sonic '06 that perfectly explains it's place in the continuity, with it being the end of Shadow's arc!
It actually made me a fan of certain aspects of '06, I heavily suggest it!
Hear me out....
Sonic in *SPACE*
No it's sonic zombies if you remember it
He’s been in space before, but a whole GAME revolving around it..
GENIUS
@@ghettokage6104 I just remembered Sonic Colors exists.....
@@theminecraft2516 shit
I know so much sonic lore from alot of the different continuitys yet. It feels so bad and good.
From all I can personally interpret from Shadow being a G.U.N. agent in Sonic 06 is that he forgave G.U.N. for Gerald, the other scientists, and Maria's death and decided that he will work for them to protect the world supposedly...? That's all I can get from it. We all have different interpretations for the blue blur's lore just to fill some stuff missing.
Yeah, and that makes sense from GUN's side since the Commander stopped hating Shadow. Since they share a childhood experience and home, they're practically family. It makes sense for them to gravitate to each other. Nobody else truly can connect with either of them on their pasts' except for each other.
> You have no idea how much of this lore has only been explained in interviews
* Laughs in BIONICLE *
Because of that SA2 Eclipse Cannon blast was so strong it gave the moon a Temporary Rotation, that’s my best guess…
11:30
You could argue that Shadow working for G.U.N. is his own way of fulfilling Maria's wish to save/help the people of Earth (I personally really like this idea a lot).
2:47
"Ive got an announcement to make shadow the hedgehog is a-"
It's "I've come to make an announcement".
"a space road? A portal? The train to the mystic ruins?"
The real reason Sonic lore is a mess is because, unlike others franchises, Sega doesn't care to keep the continuity consistent. Since 2010 they will add anything new to the franchise not caring if will contradict something from earlier games. In fact, its seems like sometimes they(Izuka) are intentionally trying to contradict the lore just to fit the way they want or the way they think the fans want.
@Oluwalayomi Ajibola Well... that could be the reason. But when you start contradicting everything then it is not going into a new direction anymore, it's flat out rebooting.
@@matheusalcantara6912 yeah the 2010s are bad
Holy shit your theory of how Gerald came up with both of the Ultimate Lifeform designs has been my headcanon for years.
Sonic continuty makes Zelda lore look easy.
I’m sorry the angry birds lore is more confusing my guy
One thing often not mentioned in the “Sonic Lore” was the fallout after the Ken Penders lawsuit which wiped many of the Archie Sonic characters out of existence. After the whole mess Sega got super strict with what Sonic characters could do. THESE ARE REAL. Sonic can’t cry. Sonic cant lose. No one can have family members (save for someone like Vanilla) Mobius can’t be mentioned. And a bunch of other weird stuff. So yeah if you’re upset about the mess that is Sonic lore and tone, you have old Penders to thank. Hence why he’s the most hated person in Sonic fandom.
That theorectical Shadow callback is fucking brilliant
Okay, so about the GUN agent Shadow thing, Shadow is supposed to have grown as a character. He's forgiven GUN and is using their resources to maximize his world saving capabilities.