Idk.... I mean I thought it was an improvement lol
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- The Acolyte Episode 4
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@@RedArc4Lif3 I'm genuinely so fucking exhausted of dealing with every smoothbrain who wants me to be performatively angry. I gave the episode a negative review. I'm a grown adult and when something is bad I say it then don't make it my entire life. So weird. If you want just impotent rage watch another channel or my battle of exegol videos lmao
â@@EckhartsLadder it's not hard to come to that conclusion, bud.
@@thomasboland540 I gave the episode a negative review get your brain worms checked holy shit.
@@EckhartsLaddergrabs popcorn
The sith lord is 3 Bazils in a trench coat. The power of one, the power two, the power of many Bazils in. A trench coat...
Yaaaaaaaasss
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This is so good đ
*orgasm noises*
I donât know why Disney is obsessed with 30 minute episodes, while HBOâs âHouse Of The Dragonâ is dropping 1 hour long episodes of straight heat that consistently look 50x better than any show Disney has ever produced.
This episode shouldâve had the entire fight with the Jedi along with the build up, only Disney is pulling this kind of nonsense.
andor was that though, but yea 100%
@@aylinilya. I don't understand how Disney can make Andor and then go back to making 8 episode seasons with 30 minutes of runtime for each.
@@TheCasualMoose mainly because andor was made by a different studio and team
That's been my complaint with both Marvel & DC shows. You can't show me a 45-50 min episode to go to a 30min episode đ . I need my fix đ
@@aylinilya.Fuck, you are right.
They should've given Ki-Adi a big 80s hairdo to represent his youthful vigor
He has an afro because he's young but self-conscious about his rather larger forehead
Agreed, 100% a missed opportunity
Eckharts: "I'm sure this will be the friendliest and nicest comment section on the website"
Queue J. Jonah Jameson Laughing Meme.
In seriousness, I'm mostly indifferent about the show itself right now. It has it's flaws for sure but it does also have some interesting aspects that I'm hoping, by the end of the season, will out weigh them.
I can tell by your reviews, not just from this episode but also the previous ones, that you're not a huge fan of the show at the moment either so the fact that some fans are attacking you for not going into a furious rage is beyond me. You point out what's wrong and why it's wrong without resorting to rage-bait or trying to politicize the issue which is great. This is why, whenever someone gets upset with a comment I've made saying you can dislike the show without resorting to rage-bait titles like "Disney DESTROYED Star Wars Canon" or "Star Wars is officially dead" I've been pointing them to your videos on how you can dislike something without attacking the creators/actors or resorting to straight up lies.
There's enough, legitimate things wrong with the show that they shouldn't need to resort to making things up XD
I think the show is just fine overall. Definitely not Disney's best but definitely also not their worst.
Absolutely, thus far the show is very âmiddle groundâ to me. The story telling, the characters, some good visuals though! I think itâs difficult to judge the show as a whole so far, especially an episode at a time.
Hopefully, when the season is complete and it can be watch all the way through it will give a more cohesive feel of being in the SW Galaxy.
Another little thing, episode 3 has been the worst for me so far, but Iâm curious how the show would feel if watch Episodes: 1-3-2-4.
This is a good comment. Exactly my thoughts. I'm tired of the rage baiting reactions to everything on the Internet now and days. I like thoughtful criticism.
âYou can dislike something without attacking the creators/actorsâ
Except when the creator was Harvey Weinsteinâs assistant and the lead actress said that making white people cry was the goal of the show
@@thegeostormgd9830 Thank you for proving my points about lies.
Yes, Amandla Stienberg did say "making white people cry was the goal of the show" but she didn't say that about The Acolyte. She said it in 2018 about The Hate U Give. A movie about racism and police brutality so yeah, THAT movie kind of did have that point in mind but has nothing to do with The Acolyte.
Leslye was Weinstein's personal assistant. For a year. And clearly she wasn't a big fan considering she made a play about her time there in 2002, long before everything he did came to light and it's even possible she may have been one of the anonymous whistleblowers considering she was on the list he made of who he thought were talking to the press.
i feel like this show was meant to be released all at once but corporate said "no, we're doing weekly episodes" and it's killed the pacing. Episodes 1 and 2 had a good flow being back to back but 3 was a nothing burger at best feeling out of place and episode 4 suffers from it's cliff hanger
It feels like it's supposed to be a movie in 8 parts.
@@1000g2g3g4g800999 yeah, this definitely wasnât meant to be a weekly release
100% some boardroom executives broke it up because as is it's releasing between two Fiscal quarters. so any numbers the show pulls can be applied to both quarters.
I feel that episode 3 itself is an odd decision not because of the content which is meh and imo my least favourite part of the show and star wars as a whole (and i actually do enjoy the shows and movies they've made recently). It feels like it should've been a series of flashbacks that instead ended up being merged into an episode instead of sprinkled throughout the series.
I think Disney+ is going to avoid releasing all the episode at once for all their upcoming shows because they did that with the Marvel show Echo and that show was terrible. Disney knows releasing the episodes at once is a clear indicator that the show will be bad but I think dropping all the episodes at once would have worked in favor of The Acolyte.
What I want to know is how does getting a jedi master to commit suicide not count as 'killing one without a weapon'?
That's what I wanna know. She literally talked him into it
The poison is a weapon
I think the so called âSithâ is just gaslighting her.
@@alpinevicemotorsports1805 I mean I get that but if that's the way we're going to look at it, what wouldn't be considered a weapon then? You could call her hands a weapon or the force a weapon, anything could be considered a weapon. And even then she didn't use it, she just talked the Jedi into taking it himself.
@@alpinevicemotorsports1805when a soldier commits seppeku, the blame for his death isnât put on the smith who made his weapon.
Bad writers make good actors look bad.
and they make bad actors look even worse.
I would point out that Qmir was weirdly defensive of the kill a Jedi without a weapon test.
How can people call Eck a shill for giving good commentary and opinions. Even if he was paid by Disney (which heâs not and is crazy to think they would spend any money on anything other than executive bonuses) he still gave a balanced and factual review. Not only that but if you like or dislike the show itâs you own OPINION⊠not everyone has to be like you.
I donât know and it sucks that modern star wars discourse leaves so little room for actual discussion and itâs just mfs arguing about culture war nonsense
â@@antonn.mp4hit the nail on the head, like I have nothing against anyone who dislikes this show, it just seems the way a lot of people come off is its more to do with the culture wars and not the actual show, personally I haven't felt like the show has been preachy or political which makes it even more frustrating to me, cause I can see why someone would hate the acting or the writing, but basing you're whole view on the show off politically charged opinions is just not it, this ain't barbie
@@JBzucci totally agree. people keep talking about woke disney, but this is just bad dialogue writing. the âwoke agendaâ doesnt fit with this show imo but thatâs majority of the conversation around it. itâs not a great show, but i wish people would give it a chance
People have lost the ability to respectfully disagree. Funny thing is the anti woke crowd say that the other side are the ones that call them names and all of this other BS but they do the exact same thing. Both sides of the culture war are just so exhausted. I miss the days when we can call things good or bad without having to use the word woke. It's such a lazy term whether its meant to be a positive or negative thing. Also I don't even see the things in this show that warrants this big culture war between both sides. Like what is the anti woke crowd even calling woke? I don't want to say they have a problem with diversity but thats the only thing this show that could be getting them mad when it comes to the "woke" elements. What political messaging is in this like wtf are they going on about lol? Having gay people in Star Wars is not a political message. It's something that has been there since legends so why is it all of a sudden a problem?
â@@christophermiller769its not good feeling when I say I think this show has a lot of the same problems Disney+ we've been seeing but then say that overall I'm enjoying this show more so than Ahsoka, Obi Wan, and Boba then I get called a woke leftist lol...
and the lord of the sith is...
my weed dealer
the amount of hate Eck got for this is insane, give the dude a break holy shit
I donât really even understand why he was given hate
thatâs his opinion then I guess
@@alicesaxon601 Watch the video. Heâs giving fair criticism, not biased praise.
â@@alicesaxon601i get it. It's popular to shit on Disney for merely existing and seems you're on that bandwagon right now
â@@simpletown323nah its popular because Disney star wars genuinely sucks.
Do people understand like half of this was reshot, reworked, and over written because it tested bad TWICE?! It was doomed to fail from the start
Holy crap
Ooof. I heard about the one resort, but not two sets of reshoots because of bad testing.
bro the ending absolutely killed me
-sith person shows up and flings mae or osha (idk which is which) into the stratosphere with the 2 fingers so casually i thought was hilarious, although the "cliff hanger" cut i hated
Osha is the main
Mae was in the building, Osha got flung.
"sith person" says it all
not to mention he flew down like Mary Poppins when he arrived
This whole thing is a really interesting idea in my opinion though. It was just all executed incredibly fucking horribly
I agree, like the idea of the plot and overall story, great. The closest the Jedi get to discovering Sith plots and a conspiracy? Murdered Jedi? Dark side acolytes? Great!
What weâre getting, yikes
If they would have just taken the time to give us an exciting plot this could have been soo cool :(
@@Swaggy362 agreed
I second that.
Not trying to be a dick like really not, but the intro to episode one it says 100 years before the rise of the empire which would be be the end of ROTS (god tier film) so this all only takes place 87ish years before the phantom menace, I love your videos and will continue to watch, but your timeline is not 100% accurate, which might put mundi Alive in (legends canon) at this point because itâs not 132 years
I think the core is good but i think it also suffers from the "is better as a movie than an 8 episode tv show" d+ syndrome
True, the premise is definitely there, the writing and directing is just so weakly executed that the show is nothing more than aggressively mediocre
@@paulderosa3065How I feel. You can see that in paper there could be something here but itâs just not coming together in the execution. And weâre halfway through the show already!
also it being released weekly. everybody hates the show, and thereâs still so many unanswered questions. people have their opinion formed on the show, and thereâs not much they can do in the second half of the season to change that
And then there's Dune, which _should have been_ an 8 episode tv show.
8 episode show that wants to be a movie so it fails as a TV show lol.
the ending cut was ridiculous, no one is really talking about that and I feel like im going nuts
I agree. Horrible decision to end the episode there. It's quite obvious they don't know if they want this to be a really long movie or a super short TV show. Episodes are divided up very poorly.
Nah a lot of people are talking about it. I'm generally content with the show compared to others but these super short episodes are ridiculous and hurt D+ content a lot. Especially when it cuts off right when a fight could begin. And now I get the feeling next episode we won't even get the fight because the Sith will have disappeared after he pushed everyone away. Or we continue the fight - which is just confusing because the momentum is kinda killed when u stop the episode right when it begins vs right before it begins
@@mrgermanvono35 like cut it right after the sith floats down or something man đ€Ł dont start the fight and then snip it like I'm getting an ad break, i was dumbfounded
Ending the episode like that wouldnât have been so bad if there was actually something happening in this episode. We spent the entire episode watching a group of Jedi walk through the woods and just as the episode is about to get interesting it cuts to the credits.
Ki-Adi-Mundi outta nowhere
It's not him. He was born in 93BBY
@@IamStrqngxitâs confirmed they changed his page in the wiki to say he was there in the show so itâs 100% ki-adi-mundi
@@IamStrqngx I wish it wasn't him. It would have been an excellent explanation for the High Council in Episode I not knowing the Sith were still around during this time (assuming they do make this dark side force user a Sith and not something else). But, if you read the credits, he's credited specifically as Ki-Adi-Mundi
â @@IamStrqngxwell actually wookiepiedia says he was born in 126 bby
@@anonamos_ if you check with the heavy lore people, its pretty set that it was 93 BBY, they changed it so they can fit him into the show, which to me is wrong to do so cause that means they can change whatever the are able to bend to fit their stuff.
They killed the fucking wookie. The character I was most looking forward to was on screen for 2 minutes. Canât believe they killed the fucking wookie
To expensive to keep a Wookie on screen for too long.
That's my guess as to why they chose the Wookie to did so fast.
â@@dblevins343 he'll be back in a flashback episode but I agree. Wish his death wasn't off screen.
@@dblevins343 the show has 180million of budget and you say its expensive
@darkpro0031 I'm not saying I agree with their decision. I'm just saying this is how I picture them deciding to finish the character like this. It was definitely the wrong decision.
@@dblevins343 true.
Wait, you were watching this episode during the breaks of a hockey game? I think that says it all. No knock against hockey, awesome sport, but you are a genuinely huge Star Wars fan. That this show did not merit your full attention says more than any angry rant ever could.
I mean CZcams is his job and he's got multiple channels, just cause he multitasks doesn't mean he's not putting in the required effort
â@@Zurrke I'm not criticizing him. I'm not here to judge the effort youtubers put in. I'm saying that if the show were better, he'd be excited to watch it uninterrupted.
@@t3tsuyaguy1 I don't think you can even watch it after without also having espn+.
Everyone divided. Everyone angry. So much for Star Wars bringing people together.
Itâs why I started reading the SW Legends Omnibus by Marvel.
It's an IP based on war.
Everyone is divided. Everyone is angry. That is the way. That was always the way. That will always be the way.
Itâs been like this since the days of aol. The prequels were no different. holy hell did they get pissed about Jar Jar! George, Hayden, & Jake Lloyd all got ridiculous amounts of sh*t
14% audience score. I donât see a lot of division.
the biggest problem (other than pacing/"not a real tv show syndrome") for me is Mae+Osha, and their seemingly just lackluster personalities.
Our intro to adult Osha was cool, she seemed to have a real personality and then within a few minutes she's in a shell, barely reacting to things, not seeming to exhibit any sort of key values or traits that really define her character, she's a main character with background character level personality. You can say "oh someone had a traumatic experience so of course they went into a shell and became reserved", but you need to EARN that by showing who they were before that for more than 5 minutes. we don't get that, so it just feels empty
Mae is a bit different, she's supposed to have passion/fire but it feels weak, not really intense enough to justify the lifelong crusade she's been on. Someone who has spent 10+ years training and devoting their life to a manhunt should be more intense, passionate, and exhibit that. Mae falls flat, I feel like she doesn't really care about her vendetta much at all. And there's really nothing else for her character to fall back on right now.
As main characters, they need to have more of a foundation for us to buy into them. Maybe making their love for each other and desire to be together again (or avenge the others' presumed death, etc) a key part of their characters, but then we should've started with them as kids, and had more time to buy into that relationship. But we didn't get that, or anything else (I honestly am happy with the ordering we have, but we'd need Osha to be more invested in her free life now, or perhaps in saving or stopping her sister, or reawakening a desire to be a jedi, or ANYTHING to chare about her, and Mae just needs to dial up the fire for vengeance against the jedi (even if it was her fault, not theirs, that her people died). make me believe that your character wants to do the things they are doing).
Good take, nice to see a valid critique that doesn't include the words "woke", "pronouns", "diversity", or "fat Jedi".
I think it's supposed to be like one long movie in 8 parts, but you have to wait a week between each part.
Yeah, I feel that too. It really seems like Osha and Mae are being carried by the mistery of their past surrounding them, which may help in a first view but once it ends itâll end with two uninteresting main characters
Even as someone who finds the show alright, that seems to be a big issue of the show. Osha and Mae are not as interesting as other characters. They seem more like vehicles of the plot more than people. I find myself far more interested in sol, qimir, and the masked sith assuming he isnt qimir
I wish Osha and Mae were played by actual adult twin actresses. Not that Amandla isn't a bad actress but I don't think she plays dual roles that well
I've just been having a hard time trying to latch onto the story. There are certainly interesting elements like the witch force sect, but none of the characters outside of Sol really interest me. I'll keep watching but its been hard not to focus on how this might break continuity or how it could possibly break the rule of two. I just need more information then what the show is presenting. I would like to theorize that these darksiders are just some rogue darksiders not associated with the rule of two sith. I don't know though, I just need more information and these theories I have running in my head are part of what keeps me coming back to watch. So in a way I suppose it does interest me in some regard.
This is kinda my problem. This show is just overall kinda boring and not engaging lol
@@Swaggy362 I don't think it's awful but its not great. I feel it's just kinda mid.
@@devinrichards4559 mid is how i would describe it. But thatâs kind of the issue? I feel like weâve been getting a lot of mid. I donât understand why we cant get something really good with how much $$ Disney is throwing at Star Wars.
@Swaggy362 I agree. At least there's Andor. I also loved Bad Batch but it's hard not to separate the animated stuff from the live action stuff.
@@Swaggy362 I don't find it mid but this isn't a problem that can be solved with money.
Definitely better than last week. I think the show could and should've taken the time it put toward a flashback episode into stronger and more subtle dialogue and writing in general, or maybe have the flashback sequences as dreams or just intermittent in the first few episodes like how Andor gave us his childhood but only enough information to push the narrative. Either way, I liked the Jedi interacting with each other and Sol is as always entertaining. The show still has a ton of issues and I want to see it stick the landing but it's going to be tough.
to be nice I'll say I hope the next episode is heavy on the fighting since the fight choreography is good, there just isn't enough of it
I haven't watched a Star Wars show for quite a while. I lost a lot of my motivation to keep up after The Rise of Skywalker. The sequel trilogy just destroyed my trust in Disney having a unified plan and vision for Star Wars. It also has felt like they try to blame problematic fans for failures of their shows or movies which has left a bad taste in my mouth. Just make a good product and care about the IP as much as I do.
I agree but I highly recommend giving Andor a watch. If 4 episodes doest help you hook in, then it might not be for you. Andor has incredible writing and character arcs. It's a slow burn that keeps you on the edge of your seat.
Also so far, I am feeling relatively good about acolyte. So I say give this show a try too.
I'd also reccomend Season 7 of the clone wars (especially the battle of Mandalore which is peak Star Wars TV). Also, the first 2 seasons of The Mandolorian are really good too. 3rd season had highs and lows but the first 2 seasons were phenomenal, especially Bill Burr's episodes
â@isiahkgreen I'm rewatching Andor now, it's soo good
Watch Andor, man. Trust everyone here and watch Andor.
The Bad Batch was a fun watch too!
I feel bad for eck, Iâm not a fan of show but just attacking him for trying to be positive in a toxic fandom is just not right
this
Eck is a real one along with Thor Skywalker and Generation Tech
The problem is he's clearly still trying to protect it. It's obvious when he's trying to justify Ki Adi being alive. He doesn't need to be performatively angry as he said, but he's obviously trying to stay on the fence when about things that are straight up disrespect from Disney
@@shogunpug4071 You don't need to keep "protecting" the negative opinion either lmao
You can just suck it up and log off, I think you all look like DORKS đ
Welcome to the fandom. This is legitimately the worse it's ever been. It's fucking embarrassing.
i really, really wish i could like this show, but cutting off as the big bad shows up is just the most absolutely infuriating thing possible
The transformers movies had more depth to them then these stories :/
I think you're right on the money. The thing that's frustrated me the most has been the dialogue - I can forgive some tv-quality flat shots and lackluster editing choices, but this show falls so flat for me because there's no subtlety to how the characters say what they say. It's all tell, no show, and while I'm not sure of the timing, this feels like a direct product of the writers strike.
This show is just really not good. The plot is terrible and so is the acting. Disney has enough money to give us quality. People need to stop running defense for Disney and demand better.
The acting is bad because Lucasfilm is prioritizing displaying female and/or different racial actors and actress over actual talent.
@@martinfilms1641i dont mind diversity at all but the plot is the most important part. I want the nail biting suspense we got in Andor or the bad batch in all star wars projects unless its specifically marketed to kids. This show isnât just engaging & its clear the writers barely tried!
Its strange to me how people just except poor quality work. These companies aren't giving you these products out of any altruism, they do it to make money, and as such we should expect more.
However, I would go even further and argue that even free media deserves to be criticized. Just because someone gives me a peace of literal shit for free, doesn't mean I can't call it what it is.
@@martinfilms1641bruh
@@invidatauro8922I really donât understand it! There isnât anything engaging about this show like at all đ. Way too many people are accepting Disney doing the absolute bare minimum. Im not gonna sit here and point out the 2 or 3 positives among the 300 negatives.
I like how everyone in the comments has already judged your 8 minute video in 4 minutes.
Cuz they are sharp and donât need him to draw out a video to make a faulty point.
â@@ValyrianPrincemy guy sharp is definitely not what I would call the general anti woke crowd.
@@ValyrianPrince If sharp means that they are windowlicking morons, sure.
@@ValyrianPrince Sharp? Couldn't get blunter if they were a fuckin football.
"Guys guys, he says its a little slow and makes some minor nitpicks at the end after half the video is spent saying how much better than episode 4 it is, see? He's fair and balanced!"
I thought a wookie fight would save this show for me...big fumble
Right? We didn't even get one. A force using wookie in a fight should be a nearly indomitable foe. Instead he is slashed across the chest off screen.
The previews show him getting in a fight w a different character. we'll see it in a different episode
Iâm not gonna lie, Iâm kinda not into having so many Jedi/Alien species capable of living 100s of years. Like it was novel and cool that Yoda was super old, but now it seems like every Jedi that isnât human has at least 2-300 good years in them, and that feels wrong.
There are also many that live fewer years then humans.
I thought that this show is 100 years before the rise of the empire... so 100 years before revenge of the sith... Am I wrong?
BBY (Before Battle of Yavin) is the standard for the timeline. 100 years before the rise of the sith is about the same as 132 BBY.
The first Wookie Jedi portrayed in live action and he dies off screen like a punk. $22 million per episode can't buy a wookie lightsaber fight?
Episode 3 was a real stinker so its not surprising that 4 was better, however it still was a rather strangely paced episode with weird bad writing decisions
Star Wars as a franchise is no stranger to bad writing, but The Acolyte takes the cake so far. And if you like the Acolyte, that's completely fine, more power to you. I just think Star Wars deserves better.
Eh, it definitely doesn't take the cake yet. Not even close--the worst moments of Boba Fett and Obi Wan still far trump them.
Boba Fett was atrocious. This show is 6-7/10, passing grades. It has the advantage to not have legacy characters to ruin.
I really like the show, (as a huge Star Wars fan) Iâm kind of getting tired of Star Wars fans
Not very many starwars fans left after this show dropped. Makes sense though the only way somebody would enjoy this show is if they hate themselves.
Insulting Eck for this very reasonable take is quite baffling to me, and strips away my belief that the general star wars Fandom is criticizing this show entirely in good faith.
Just wanted to take a second to tell yall that everyone has there own opinions on things Eckharts here is partly a review channel and some of yall keep giving this man way to much shit for him saying the show is not the worst thing to grace the earth
the worst part is that he gave it a negative review overall!, yall just hating cause he did not just shut off his brain and develoup into a primal animal and rip it to shreds while beating his chest
In summary, please just watch the video if you want to hear pureley constructive critism with his personal take on things thank you!
Rawr!!! Welcome to the world yâall created. Yâall do it with athletes. heâs making money so itâs fair game. You put yourself out there your gonna get pushback yâall are Burthurt cuz itâs true. I see commenters devolving into left v right and as a non American thatâs totally not Star Wars fans fault.
Thereâs not internet etiquette when weâre all protected by anonymity.
@@ValyrianPrinceor just don't be an asshole. That seems like less to type and think about
â@@ValyrianPrincewho is "yall?" Just cause someone puts something online doesn't give you should go out there and act like an idiot and harass someone. Ye anonymity gives people a false sense of security but that doesn't mean you should go out and act like a prick to strangers just cause they make content online
Totally agreed. The hysteria around this show and the hostile groupthink waving torches and pitchforks is beyond bizarre. The show isn't good but so many of the criticisms are either unfounded or premature, imo of course. For me, it's along the lines of TBOBF and the Obi-wan show. I didn't like those either but this show doesn't warrant all the extra angst and gnashing of teeth, as far as I'm concerned.
Theres enough youtubers going in harsh with a super critical review...Not sure why people feel the need to jump into the neutral or positive reviews just to insult those that don't agree.
You keep randomly mocking fans in your videos. Which you shouldn't do if you're going to get mad at them mocking you in the comments. As a content creator, you just need to know when to pick your battles.
I tend to agree with your more grounded approaches, but you honestly have been giving this show too much credit and generally underplaying just how disparaging it is that Disney would approve a project with so many mishaps.
I get your point that its not finished yet, but there really isn't anything that rectifies these weird choices.
It's not that bad. I thank a lot of you have brain rot do to Being terminally online and being a cultural warrior. I don't like sjw woke garbage at all but this show isnt that. It brake legends cannon, so what? Legends isn't cannon any more and you all need to let go. It's been years now seats Disney bought star wars. This show isnt as bad as the sequel trilogy and it's not as good as andor. It's not bad but I understand this is a war and we have to hate everything on the other side.
@@robertstone9988 "I thank a lot of you have brain Rot do to being terminally online and being a cultural warrior". Please bother to construct a proper argument and grammatically correct sentence if you're going to reply with a schizo rant. I never brought up any of those points or politics.
Justin saying its better then episode 3 is such a low bar lol
It isn't cause that episode was decent.
â@@deadshot5007 could you explain from a cinematic and artistic view why it was decent? Because I can break down on cinematic level why it's some of the worst written and visual cinematography shows ever put to screen. If you want to talk about it.
â@@deadshot5007people with your opinion do seem to set the bar fairly low when it comes to general cinematography. Written or visual. I genuinely would like to know why. I don't understand it.
@@mrdevindean1 Tell me what's wrong with the episode first. Only thing bad was some of the child acting and the chant.
I think this episode was worse than 3 because at least episode 3 added something to the story. Nothing happens in this episode.
At this point I'm starting to wonder if I can ever go back to my Star Wars content grading curve after Andor. Parts of Ahsoka were OK at least even if it ended with a wet fart. I'm not hating The Acolyte thus far, but it's had pretty weak writing, acting, pacing, and direction. Not bad enough that I've stopped watching, but it's sitting right on that line.
A better pile of poop is still poop
I like to say a poop with sprinkles on it lol
So wise
Wise words from random internet user
I have to admit the dumpster fire that is acolyte has weirdly brought back some interest for me star wars and after seeing that scene the power of many chant i might actually binge this when it's fully out.
I agree with a tweet you made earlier where this show is really hurt by being 8 episodes long. Having a flashback ep as ep 3 and the sudden character changes in ep 4 while the show is now half over is indicative of the point you made. Having 15 episodes to organically characterize the cast, show development and plot changes wouldve really suited this show.
it feels like they could really only write enough for 6-7 episodes and had to stretch it to make it to even 8, I don't think just adding more episodes would fix that issue, if anything we would likely just end up with more filler.
Actually there was an age established in the Canon and they changed it
Remember. No matter what else you think about this show, it is a great lore dump for pre-Phantom Menace Star Wars. The sheer amount of detail put into everything from the clothes to the computer displays means months of stuff to pick apart
The set, costumes, prosthetics & make-up... yeah, I didn't expect a good story but I'm glad some of that 100mil went into some passionate artists in the project.
Yet another "oh he's definitely NOT Sauron, guys"
I wrote down my thoughts right after I watched the episode and I had the same notes about the acting. A bunch of Amandla Stenberg's takes were just so wooden, it was baffling how they could include those in the final product. I know she's a good actor, so what went wrong? The episode's pacing was off, too. I don't know if it was a directorial or editorial issue, but something went wrong.
All of that said, I did enjoy and am quite curious to see where they go with this. The final scene with Darth Teeth was freaking cool and possibly the best Star Wars horror we've seen on-screen. Hashtag nobrainworms.
I've enjoyed the show so far. There have absolutely been issues with awkward dialogue and direction, but I am invested in the story and like the cast.
I'm with you. I thought the episode was trash, but not hot trash.
Remember guys.....,......... each episode cost at least double than the movie godzilla zero one ..... just think about that
Because Japan pays it's workers jack shit.
Did you deliberately pick the most awkward scenes in the first half of the video? It's like the actors haven't been given any direction, and they accidentally wore someone else's costume for the scene.
i feel like there was so much potential, between the concept (the writing and directing is holding it back), the actors (the writing and directing is holding them back), the designs and setting (the writing and directing is holding them back) i meeeeeeaaaan i feel like the writing and direction is holding this show back
I miss House of the Dragon already đ
Dude, you can watch multiple shows per week. Itâs not hard at all.
I have hopes for episode 5. Those hopes 100% revolve around a team of Jedi getting destroyed by a Lord of the Sith
I think maybe 1 or 2 will survive. The rest of the Jedi won't believe them about the Sith lord. Or the season will revolve around the sith lord trying to stop the secret from coming out. That's IF he doesn't kill them all
Guys...
He's always been like this.
No one should be surprised
Thank you Eck for the very fair review, you're one of the only people who are not outright ragefarming off this show.
I hate the fact Kia Adi Mundi is mysteriously there 40 years before he was canonically born and how he magically forgot there was another Sith lord less than a 1000 years before Darth maul.
We donât have a canonical birth for Ki Adi Mundi. And the acolyte doesnât show him seeing a Sith Lord
I loved Episode Three but really had problems with the acting of Mei/Osha and their script. Youâre right that Meiâs sudden change of heart seemed too abrupt.
I almost feel like it's not her fault and more on the directing. She has shown flashes of great acting but it just feels like whatever the director told her to do mixed in with the writing that messed up her performance
@@auroa9854 Probably so.
Oh shit, I've just realized, they cut the title from Day and Night to just Day, and then they cut the episode in half too! It all comes together.
this show is peak star wars. Peak as in please throw me from this mountain peak
Hot take, if the original new Hope Film came out today even with updated effects. People would say how shit the diloge was, how bad the acting was, how cringe the plot is, people view the old films with rose tinted glasses, ignoring how bad some of Disney crap has been the star wars franchise is dead also because of the expectations of a fan base obsessed with 50 year old films and how their legacy should be reanimated
Yeah except thatâs how all movies were in that era. Acting styles have changed over the years and people expect more from shows. Especially ones that have a 180 million dollar budget. This isnât Gillianâs Islands filmed under a highway overpass with melodramatic acting. This is the largest media company in the history of mankind.
So yes, we expect more than garbage like The Acolyte, Book of Boba, and the last season of The Mandalorian
@sergeycorey378 no that's bollocks, Alien, Aliens, Blade Runner for exapmple were all films produced with a few years of New Hope, and they were far better acted and wrote, don't get me wrong I like the original Star War films and even the prequels but fan base just moan at what ever is produced, George Lucus sold rights as he got that much hate from the fans for the prequels he just gave up and took a fat pay cheque......and now fans are begging him to come back, fan base got what they deserve really
Making up hypotheticals that you cant prove isn't an argument.
@loadingerror9975 they are points of view based on observed information so yes it is
Actually, canonically confirmed, Ki-Adi Mundi was born in BBY 93. Because of this episode, the wookieepedia was panicly deleted his birth date, left only the death date.
I agree with the points you made in previous videos about the episodes being too short. The way they end very abruptly, makes me think that the show was originally a film that was split up into 8 episodes.
6:19 Oh hey there's Jedi Master Mundi in that scene where they're talking about the "worse" which almost certainly means SITH! The same character who said the Sith were extinct a mere 100 years later in Episode 1!
You know, the actual problem people are having with him appearing in this show, not the "oh how can he be that old???" strawman Eck mentioned.
But that argument is not as smart as you probably think. Just because he was in a meeting where it was discussed does not mean he believes it. If nothing comes of this looking for a sith then this would only reinforce his stupid idea that the sith are no more
Wow, just wow
Man this show is a 6.5/10 and people are out here acting horrendous. I donât really like this show but the way this fandom is treating each other over it makes me ashamed to be a Star Wars fan. This culture wars bullshit needs to go itâs really ridiculous how people are acting like a show ruined their lives.
People are just expressing their opinions not everything is toxic or hateful or the end of the world
Big CZcamsrs have been responsible for the slow yet consistent descent into turning the fandom inside out. After last jedi, the fandom split in two and ever since, people like Star Wars Theory and his weird group of angry anti woke CZcams channels, have allowed their channel communities to become toxic. That fan toxicity then rewards Star Wars Theory for leaning more and more into the anti Disney hate train. Social media algorithms reward viewership and if you've ever been online, people loooooove clicking on links that guarantee drama. It's echo chamber group think shit. No room for nuance when you're one voice in a crowd
@@simpletown323 funny that they call themselves grifters. A quick google search says that a grifter is someone who lies to get peoples money and to not trust them. They wear it like a name tag and people still eat up everything they say.
youtubers are acting like their opinions are facts tho, like anyone else is wrong for liking it
CZcams deleted my comment about those CZcamsrs calling themselves grifters and people still believing them đ
It was physically not possible to get worse than E3 đ
I just wish they wouldâve followed through on the Sith/acolyte perspective they were advertising about. The fact that Mae just switched sides at all pissed me off more than any âlore breakingâ issues that most people are pissed off about.
I wish I could be nearly as optimistic as you are Eck. Itâs just a bad tv show.
Even though I know you liked Ahsoka and every single season of Mando I still genuinely donât understand where the optimism is coming from.
Every new reference to the emperor in Bad Batch reminds me of Episode 9.
Ahsoka is tied too heavily to cartoons that a relatively small portion of the Star Wars fandom all watched and Thrawn was very underwhelming.
Lukeâs cameo training Grogu just reminds me his attempt at a Jedi order crashed and burned later.
Anakin is no longer as special because obscure space witches did it first.
Obi Wan had Vader at his mercy in Kenobi but chose to let him live. Then he councils Luke to kill him.
Sabine and Riva both survive stabs but two knives kill Andara. Sabine even heals fairly quickly from hers. Too bad for Qui-gon and the three council members Palpatine stabbed.
Not to be rude but even though it didn't help anerkin I still think Yoda's wisdom was right. You can't enjoy the show because you know where it ends. But that can never be the shows fault. Did I like the sequels I definitely didn't. Would I have them remade if I could yes. But since I can't change them I kinda just ignore them.
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The point Iâm making is when you mention the emperor developing cloning at Mount Tantis Iâm reminded of âSomehow Palpatine returnedâ and other things of that nature.
Iâd be more interested if they were forging ahead either rebooting the whole universe or extending into the future where they could change everything. So if they started actually making good shows at least it wouldnât be stuffed between the OT and Sequels or Prequels and OT.
For the sake of argument, if Acolyte was just amazing, the only good thing is that Star Wars made a good show. If they made a really good new show or movie set after the Sequel trilogy or in place of the sequels they could build on it.
I don't think you can get much worse than the third episode to be honest, so it's no surprise four would be marginally better. I'm relying on CZcamsrs for my Acolyte coverage after last week's debacle. I'm not giving this show Nielsen numbers, since I am in the program. If they can't respect the lore & mythos, I can't give them my respect. I went into it with an open mind and they pretty much fumbled the bag, hard. In turn, I bailed. Simple enough.
Stenberg whatever her name is, is not a good actress. Or the directors & writers are just really bad. She seems like she'd be a good action film star that doesn't rely on plot or good dialogue a whole lot if I'm being fair, she's got some combat moves if she's doing her own stunts. But her outspoken views don't help me with a positive public image of the person behind the characters.
I'm still baffled on why they included Ki Adi Mundi here... the one thing you probably should not have done considering his quote about the Sith being extinct for a millennia, is to put him on the investigating council privy to the knowledge of this presumed Sith master. And was it necessary to sort of retcon for lack of a better word, his age? That just proves to me this team doesn't care about continuity, they just want to leave their mark with whatever their ultimate message turns out to be.
I think the uh Qimir guy I think it's spelled, is probably a red herring... or a double blind so to speak. Like oh it's too obvious that he's the spooky guy it's gotta be someone else, oh wait it's him all along. I think some of the more plausible ones I've seen thrown out there is that it could be the horned Witch lady who somehow survived the fire, or that stick up the butt Vernestra diversity hire of a character. Let's be honest she can't act for shit either.
The few positive things I can honestly say: I like how the action and set dressing feel very like Hong Kong martial arts film-esque. Some of the sets are nice, some are bland. The guy playing Sol is literally carrying the show on his back as well. Oh and the mystery sith/dark jedi's helmet looks cool, but did we really just have to kinda copy+paste this sort of design language for the bad guy all over again? Brings to mind the "hey can I copy your homework?" "sure just change it a little bit".
Like, lets say it's roughly 175 years between this bad & Kylo Ren. So all the dark side cats shop at the same store for their spoooky armor? At least the Jedi robes are pretty different from the later periods, but I guess they shop at the same store too for the most part, until TCW.
no one presumes anything about the sith. They all thing it is a rogue jedi splintered off from the order. the word sith hasnt been said once
@@loganwendigo937 I say "presumed sith" from the point of view of the audience. I knew someone would come out of the woodwork to nitpick that phrase.
If you're giving Eck hate, that's BS. The man covers hockey and SciFi; not a lot of other channels are doing that. The Acolyte is awful, but why should every channel be 100% negative if the community's thoughts on the show are already clear?
Bottom line, be nicer and show some respect ppl. The show isn't Eck's fault.
Disney or Lucasfilm need to make 1 hour long and better live action written episodes. Like stop being lazy.
The villains entrance was a plus.
Sometimes being nuanced is not called for. You have to know when to be nuanced else you just look stupid.
I think thereâs a lot of interesting philosophical directions the show is taking the SW universe in with the arrogance of the Jedi and their hegemony on the force. Yeah thereâs writing and visual issues with this show, but thatâs just Disney Star Wars. The fact that people are just getting angry and not even giving the premise of the show a chance is really disappointing. Iâve got a lot of cool theories about the direction the show will take, but most everyone is too incoherent, frothing at the mouth in anger to even have a conversation on the actual story points of the show. Glad some of us are still watching it objectively.
Agreed
Having seen JonTron review the holiday special, the fact that this at once point was rated lower is absurd.
I still haven't seen anyone mention the way they messed up hyperspace. Mae says they have 3 hours of sunlight on that planet...yet the jedi somehow make it from Coruacant to that planet, and meet up with Kelnacca within that time
When Mae arrives at the wookie house, she falls and her face lands in some sort of alien mushrooms. We clearly see spores being released. What if all happening after that is a hallucination? I am probably wrong, but i thought it was an interesting detail.
Im sorry eck this has nothing to do with positive or negative. This has everything to do with bad writing and just even worse execution. I know you want to be positive, but during your review stream, you can tell by your body language that you think it's not good. This episode is terrible with more canon issues, and at this point, you find so many excuses its just depressing.
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As someone who hated Obiwan and Ashoka, Iâm genuinely enjoying this show so far.
This episode and #5 needed to be released at the same time. It felt like one half of one story. There's set up there with the beetle monsters (there's ADR lines about them being attracted to lightsabers so they'll definitely show up again). Osha has chekhov's gun since they reminded us she has the stun blaster. But none of that stuff paid off by the end of the episode so we really needed the next one right away. Did we really need osha to have two conversations saying she hesitated with mae and she has baggage about her dead family? It reiterates so many things we already know.
Personally im still into this show. Particularly because ive got an idea of what theyâre doing with Mae and Osha and look forward to seeing if my theoryâs vindicated. Also that Masked Sith reveal was chilling af.
for me the next episode will decide if i keep watching. The reveal was pretty good, but the cut was a cardinal sin in show writing, leaving off at the start of a highly anticipated battle, the show so far hasn't earned enough good grace from me to pull that. If the next episode is a 25 min lightsaber duel between the jedi and mystery man with as little dialogue as possible I'd consider it forgiven but i have a sinking feeling the mystery man is going to be gone when we come back in ep5 and everyone will be like "where'd he go?" "what was that?" etc etc. I want to be wrong but its a strong feeling.
I think it's worse. The only possible implication from Mundi being there but no one knowing about this is that he withheld it from the council and lied about the sith returning. So once again they're deconstructing and assassinating the character of established characters. That's the biggest sin I think Disney SW commits. Mess up canon, have inconsistencies, have bad writing, blah blah whatever, it is what it is. But to specifically and intentionally not just make bad current SW, but to try to deconstruct and assassinate past SW, it's the ultimate insult. It's not just "the thing you love isn't good going forward" it's "we're going to make it canon that the thing you love from the past is actually morally bad". It's pure demoralization.
I'm assuming you're basing this just on the review and haven't seen the actual episode, but the Jedi think Mae was trained by a rogue Jedi right now and Ki-Adi-Mundi didn't go with Sol to intercept her. He's not covering anything up, the Jedi (and especially Mundi) don't know they're dealing with a Sith.
They still haven't determined it's a Sith. Their first thought was literally that former Jedi trying to start their own order. Yall don't understand the things you are criticisimg
@@DJATOMICA95 And if it were not literally the man who rebuked Qui Gon, this would be acceptable - because why would someone on the council know that a rouge cult killed 3 jedi 100 years ago? Yoda isn't here, he's clearly been in the dark - and he doesn't even really question Qui Gon. But having it be Mundi himself who was present makes it much more likely he should be at least suspicious of darkness coming back, and NOT have shot down the idea so quickly when Qui Gon reported an attacker well trained in the Dark Arts. I would've rather seen some sort of cameo come earlier when it was not suspected something more was afoot.
@@davismiller3769 Mundi didn't argue against Maul being trained in the dark arts, he just refuted Qui-Gons assertion that Maul was a sith lord. I'm not sure if you saw the episode (or even really read my earlier comment), but right now, none of the Jedi think Mae was trained by a Sith and it's explicitly stated that they believe she was trained by a rouge Jedi.
@@DJATOMICA95 I saw the episode. You can't convince me that upon hearing that Qui Gon was assaulted by someone trained in the dark arts, he wouldn't have thought about this very incident and considered what Qui Gon was saying plausible.
"Impossible! The sith have been extinct for over a millennia!" would not be said by someone who had been part of an investigation into a rouge sect of Jedi, one now CLEARLY practicing sith techniques.
Admittedly, Mundi was not on the planet looking for the wookie, just in the briefing but if there are ANY survivors, he will get that information.
It would have made more sense for YODA to be involved like this - he buys into Qui Gon's report without much hesitation - "The very Republic is threatened, if involved the Sith are"
Maybe I would like the Acolyte more if Kathleen Kennedy didnât attack fans by saying that the show only gets bad reviews because it has a female leadâŠ
The ending cut didnt make sense since the episode was so short. Barely 30 mins. They should have combined this and the flashback episode into one 45 minute to hour episode instead.
7:55 I mean when you keep straw-manning peoples' actual legit complaints with the show, then yeah that might just happen~
i like your review, its negative without jumping on the BAD SHOW BAD band wagon everyone is on. the shows not the worst show in world, its not what id call good but its content and its watchable.
I think when the series is over we should re-watch it uncut. Should be a LOT better that way. The quality of the story is TV, if you can turn your brain off and just watch, it's fine. When it comes to looks, at least it looks nice, for that amount of money it should. One thing is for sure, the writers will have a hard time finding work this high profile.
They definitely should not have added Kiadi Mundi. He literally is the one in Phantom Menace who says the sith havenât been seen for a thousand years. So he just forgot about the events of the show then? Or he was part of some plot to keep it secret? They just donât think before doing anything.
The worst trend we are seeing again and again is people who in no way DESERVE their position, keep getting these positions. They are hired in no way based off of talent or skill.. There's no way a show that is this expensive, with this famous of a subject, should have this bad of writing & have this bad of world design, world building. I mean these set designs, aesthetics, overall look & feel of the world & it's visuals as a whole. It's all so surface level. It looks cheap & tacky. On top of everything people have already said, I also think the camera work in this is awful. This show genuinely feels like adults role playing as kids are getting to shot this..
It really feels like it's deliberately going against everything that is Star Wars. It feels deliberately disrespectful to the lore and has no respect to the source material. Are they deathly allergic to having male characters? Are they allergic to quality storytelling, world building, character development.. This is awful! It really seems like whoever is making these doesn't realize Star Wars used to be a really well made world full of diversity. It didn't matter what kind of character, creature, species you were, they found great ways to convey artistic depictions of the Human condition. Creative ways that connect us all on a deeper level.
Things used to take pride in finding creative ways to convey things. To give the audience feelings without overly explaining it. I really miss that. If you go back and watch "X-Men the animated series" It is so well crafted. The story of mutants was so universally relatable. Media back then found ways to abstractly teach me life lessons, touched on difficult situations, found intelligent ways to tell stories. Even when I watched it all grown up it really felt like the story is so well crafted and executed that anyone is able to relate to it in someway or another. It's stuff like that that we are so deeply lacking nowadays. So much so that literal kid's cartoons from the 90's told deeper and more mature stories than most media nowadays.
The sets look fine, idk what your issue is, this episode the filmed in a real forest, idk how that looks cheap.
Hey Eckhart. I really appreciate that you try to look positively at Star Wars. It is hard for me to look at Star Wars with out anything but... tiredness. So, to hear you look for the bright side of things really energizes me. Maybe one day I'll get back into Star Wars, but the story telling has been weaker in the past few years (not all of their shows) and I'm starting to get burnt out.
Keep your head up king.
Yeah I definitely was a little taken aback when mae immediately flipped, I feel like there should have been at least another meeting and conversation between her and osha or more scenes with her trekking through the forest and re-evaluating her position because we've had no reason to believe she wasnt completely in on the whole jedi murder thing
Small point, but the first episode says 100 years before the rise of the Empire. That would put it at 119 BBY.
I honestly think this show is a improvement over the other ones we've been getting recently (Andor is the obvious exception) it has its flaws and i really didnt like episode 3 but im trying my best to have faith that this will all make sense when its over
personally episode 3 is still up in the air because we wonât have the full Brendok story. my opinion on episode 3 will change depending on the other angles
Ki Adi Munda was born in 93 BBY.
That's non-canon. Get out of here with your bs
@@simpletown323 Legends is better tbh
They could have take a few minutes to plant Maes turn better - I totaly agree on that. She could had express worry over how she felt on her sister being alive but other than that I like it as a middle episode.