Have You Been Reading God's Mind? - Law & Order

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  • čas přidán 12. 06. 2020
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    From Season 5, Episode12 "Progeny" - Kincaid and McCoy are determined to convict both the man who shot an abortion doctor and the activist whose rhetoric may have encouraged the incident.
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  • @nickwilliams8302
    @nickwilliams8302 Před 4 lety +2608

    "If it was so righteous, why didn't you do it yourself?"
    A question that should be put to every terrorist mastermind.

    • @Firan25
      @Firan25 Před 4 lety +77

      "He who passes judgement should swing the sword?"

    • @Optimaloptimus
      @Optimaloptimus Před 4 lety +15

      Firan25 So that he may die by the same sword when the defenders fight back.

    • @LucianDevine
      @LucianDevine Před 3 lety +4

      @@Firan25 Back when GoT was good!

    • @Firan25
      @Firan25 Před 3 lety +8

      @@LucianDevine I wasnt referencing GoT. Thats a pretty common saying if I recall.

    • @echo1736
      @echo1736 Před 3 lety +6

      Terrorist? Yes. Mastermind? Not even close, just a crazy person who bring fear.

  • @missyadams
    @missyadams Před 4 lety +2252

    There was a Law & Order episode where a woman threw a bomb into an abortion clinic, which killed a pregnant woman. She claimed she was trying to save a baby from being killed. But when the procecutor reminded her the unborn baby too died in the blast, she was speechless

    • @andrewgifford1007
      @andrewgifford1007 Před 3 lety +156

      That was a season 1 episode of og law and order

    • @aaronwalker1678
      @aaronwalker1678 Před 3 lety +21

      andrew gifford yup, it’s on this page as well

    • @-nitroace
      @-nitroace Před 3 lety +41

      Law and order suv sounds like a great car 🚙

    • @squeakymcbeal6193
      @squeakymcbeal6193 Před 3 lety +22

      Don't you mean "Law & Order SVU"? And it didn't happen in there. It happened in this series. Season 1, episode...10 I think. If the SVU has an episode of an abortion clinic, then I may have to find it.

    • @WallyXification
      @WallyXification Před 3 lety +6

      Squeaky McBeal yeah, it was from the O.G. Law & Order

  • @johnbeatz380
    @johnbeatz380 Před 2 lety +309

    "I am ready for your questions"
    Jack McCoy: "and I took that personally"

  • @KasbashPlays
    @KasbashPlays Před 4 lety +710

    5:09 - "I'll instruct him to lower the temperature."
    Savage.

    • @clearshade3560
      @clearshade3560 Před 3 lety +63

      Glad the judge easily saw through his bullshit and knew the most damaging things done was what he himself was saying

    • @KasbashPlays
      @KasbashPlays Před 3 lety +25

      @@clearshade3560 McCoy glancing at the jury almost as if to say "you see this dipshit?" is also absolutely class. The Judge was merely observing a formality to see the idiot finish.

    • @macdeus2601
      @macdeus2601 Před 2 lety +7

      @@KasbashPlays McCoy is awesome.

    • @falm9679
      @falm9679 Před 9 měsíci +1

      Word!!!😂 Agreed!!

    • @dietotaku
      @dietotaku Před 6 měsíci +1

      and he said that AFTER mccoy had already lowered his voice in repeating the question.

  • @clairekehoe3667
    @clairekehoe3667 Před 4 lety +896

    And he seemed so nice when Rory & Lorelai came for dinner....

    • @haydenmack3784
      @haydenmack3784 Před 4 lety +4

      Which one, McCoy or the defendant?

    • @kitkatmccabe
      @kitkatmccabe Před 4 lety +51

      The defendant. He played the grandad on Gilmore girls

    • @siobhanconneely4199
      @siobhanconneely4199 Před 4 lety +5

      He is actor in one criminal and law tv show, the studio people are trying to find a face to fool people. Like his character, he was good.

    • @dinojay8410
      @dinojay8410 Před 4 lety +10

      @@kitkatmccabe ... you mean, Rory's grandad.

    • @joannesmith2484
      @joannesmith2484 Před 4 lety +14

      And Mike & Sam's mom seemed to really like him until she found out he was the chief vampire.

  • @Lunasent
    @Lunasent Před 4 lety +2057

    Creeps like these will do whatever necessary to protect an unborn fetus but will do jack squat to help a child that is already here.

    • @nikkyk4839
      @nikkyk4839 Před 4 lety +257

      That's why they aren't pro-life. They are pro-birth and destroying the mothers lives.

    • @ratherbenapping10
      @ratherbenapping10 Před 4 lety +24

      Nikky K exactly

    • @SaraLovelace1
      @SaraLovelace1 Před 3 lety +145

      @@nikkyk4839 to quote George Carlin, they aren't pro-life, they're anti-woman.

    • @barefootedgypsy93
      @barefootedgypsy93 Před 3 lety +50

      Actually plenty of them do help. Many people donate time, money, and resources. I know many people that take in children from unplanned pregnancies and other situations. However you seem more at peace with trying to shut down these organizations that help because they don't agree with you.

    • @corberus3119
      @corberus3119 Před 3 lety +100

      @@barefootedgypsy93 the kkk does charity work too. An organisation like the church doing some good things doesn't erase all of the terrible things they do

  • @LordZontar
    @LordZontar Před 3 lety +419

    "I'm ready for your questions."
    No you are not, Mr. Seely. You really aren't.

  • @JaneSt.Valentine
    @JaneSt.Valentine Před 4 lety +2018

    As a former-Pagan-turned-Christian friend said the other day; bigotry wrapped in prayer is still bigotry.

    • @mrchrysler9736
      @mrchrysler9736 Před 4 lety +34

      Just curious what "Pagan-turned-Christian" means?
      Easter and Christ Mass and Sun-day worship are pagan.

    • @silencia08
      @silencia08 Před 4 lety +4

      @@mrchrysler9736 Wican?

    • @classixdrummer
      @classixdrummer Před 4 lety +15

      Mr Chrysler - From the time of Constantine using “Christianity” as an expedient tool to unite his empire what you have is not Christianity but rather Christendom. Those who would at some point in the future claim, “Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and expel demons in your name, and perform many powerful works in your name?” There is a real warning in Jesus’ reply, “And then I will declare to them: ‘I never knew you! Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness!’”

    • @Adam1nToronto
      @Adam1nToronto Před 4 lety +37

      Mr Chrysler
      I think it means their friend went from believing in the existence of many gods to believing in just one. They're getting closer to the real number.

    • @juliantapia1407
      @juliantapia1407 Před 4 lety +7

      @@Adam1nToronto 😆

  • @drakeardian629
    @drakeardian629 Před 4 lety +636

    I don't think Mr Seely got the idea on how to defend yourself in a case.
    The 1st rule is to never represent yourself

    • @feverspell
      @feverspell Před 4 lety +62

      I don't know who said it, I've seen it attributed to everyone including Abraham Lincoln, who was an attorney before he was President, but the saying goes, "He who represents himself has a fool for a client."

    • @KasbashPlays
      @KasbashPlays Před 4 lety +21

      Didn't the anti-abortionist from Season 1 represent herself for the closing statement? Seems to me these people have a pattern on this show.

    • @karazor-el6085
      @karazor-el6085 Před 4 lety +7

      @@feverspell I found the earliest mention in “Humane Prudence, or, The Art by which a Man May Raise Himself and Fortune to Grandeur” by William De Britaine, published in 1682.
      "Before you act, it’s Prudence soberly to consider; for after Action you cannot recede without dishonour: Take the Advice of some Prudent Friend; for he who will be his own Counsellour, shall be sure to have a Fool for his Client."

    • @Igarappappa
      @Igarappappa Před 4 lety +8

      Rule of Thumb in Law and Order: If someone defends themselves they'll either lose or something horrible will happen to them outside of court.

    • @MMuraseofSandvich
      @MMuraseofSandvich Před 4 lety +17

      @@KasbashPlays She took the stand against the advice of her attorney. Almost the same thing, both characters tried to use the stand as a pulpit, which is never a good idea because it pisses off the judge.

  • @lyramaria1067
    @lyramaria1067 Před 4 lety +739

    Loved Jack McCoy nailing this sanctimonious creep.

  • @WavemasterAshi
    @WavemasterAshi Před 3 lety +299

    This argument just occurred to me.
    "You testified that when you went to Vietnam, you would have shot someone to defend others. You also testified that you killed Dr. Reed to prevent death. So...why didn't you?"

    • @matthewforsyth284
      @matthewforsyth284 Před 3 lety +1

      Dude no offence but you do know that he actually had somebody else kill dr reed right?

    • @WavemasterAshi
      @WavemasterAshi Před 3 lety +67

      @@matthewforsyth284 That's not the point. The point is that he testified that he would have shot to defend others. Well, if this is about defending others...why didn't *he* shoot? It's basically another way to frame "You don't really believe you're defending life by doing this."

    • @floppabingussled
      @floppabingussled Před 2 lety +6

      The late great Edward Herrman as Seeley. He captures so well the righteous leader's smugness and indigation in the face of McCoy's harsh assertions.

  • @nav7506
    @nav7506 Před 2 lety +208

    I loved how the defendant was so backed into a corner that he kept trying to dodged answering it. Tried using God as a defense, and even tried to get the judge on his side by claiming McCoy was badgering him. He knew that once he’d answer the question he would be a hypocrite and have absolutely no defense.

    • @PeachWookiee
      @PeachWookiee Před 8 měsíci +10

      Indeed he was. And I'm sure God Himself would come kick this man's tail.

    • @TheSchaef47
      @TheSchaef47 Před 4 měsíci

      Cult leaders are often content to sacrifice other people for their ends, because they're "too important"

  • @foolslayer9416
    @foolslayer9416 Před 4 lety +957

    I don't care what religion you have. Using God as a scapegoat for a reason to harm people is low.
    I don't completely agree with abortion, but I would never harm a doctor or abortion worker.
    Being a Christian and believing in God doesn't and should never allow an individual to act like God. If you use authority to corrupt others into doing ungodly things then you're just a coward.

    • @robertchflynn
      @robertchflynn Před 4 lety +15

      Better to believe in the spaghetti monster. Then your mind clears up real quick...

    • @gbreeze99
      @gbreeze99 Před 4 lety +6

      Very well said

    • @whathell6t
      @whathell6t Před 4 lety +13

      Robert Flynn
      Spaghetti monster? You mean worshipping King Ghidorah; the planet eater, the golden demise, the Koko no Kami (the God of the Void)?

    • @avian68tb
      @avian68tb Před 4 lety

      @@whathell6t no there is a religion that worships a spaghetti monster in the sky

    • @Optimaloptimus
      @Optimaloptimus Před 4 lety +12

      Which is why I chose atheism. I’d rather keep my hands clean from a crusade that most certainly could have terrible justifications, than swing a sword blindly following the will of a being that can’t do it himself.

  • @patricelindo4942
    @patricelindo4942 Před 4 lety +179

    "I'll instruct him to lower the temperature" 😂

    • @sethmorgan833
      @sethmorgan833 Před 7 měsíci +3

      Mr. Seely had no escape at that point. Both the judge and prosecutor had put him in checkmate right before his very hypocritical eyes.

  • @pintpullinggeek
    @pintpullinggeek Před 3 lety +138

    "A client who represents themselves has a fool for a lawyer"

    • @MichaelandCathy1999
      @MichaelandCathy1999 Před 3 lety +1

      Mark Twain

    • @alexblack8565
      @alexblack8565 Před 2 lety +10

      " and by God, I am that fool." Gomez Adams

    • @shioriryukaze
      @shioriryukaze Před 2 lety +1

      @@alexblack8565 Man I love that quote!

    • @MrUndersolo
      @MrUndersolo Před rokem

      @@MichaelandCathy1999 Actually, Oliver Wendell Holmes.

    • @dietotaku
      @dietotaku Před 6 měsíci +1

      except the psychopath who killed a family, opted to represent himself in court, then seduced the jury foreman to secure his acquittal.

  • @MrSailmakers
    @MrSailmakers Před 3 lety +88

    "I am ready for your questions."
    Knowing Jack McCoy ... trust me you are not.

  • @shiftfocus1
    @shiftfocus1 Před 3 lety +263

    Seely: "That is between me and my God."
    Judge: "And me, Mr Seely."
    The moment he realizes he has no escape.

    • @kgrkid
      @kgrkid Před 2 lety +13

      Unfortunately for Seely, he just learned that it wasn't HIS god

    • @kishascape
      @kishascape Před rokem

      DOC is gonna be his god now and he's in for 20 to life in Hell on Earth. Hope ya like pemis.

  • @BB-ou3ue
    @BB-ou3ue Před 2 lety +179

    This scene is exactly why I love this show. It's so entertaining to watch McCoy cross examine people

  • @baal1999
    @baal1999 Před 4 lety +533

    I love McCoys interrogations. He was awesome in setting up traps.

    • @dragonturtle2566
      @dragonturtle2566 Před 2 lety +6

      But when he spoke of slavery, he said the bible didn't condemn it, yet it does. It's why Moses escorted the Israelites through the deserts to freedom.

    • @trevonpernell0814
      @trevonpernell0814 Před 2 lety +3

      @@dragonturtle2566 Also Ephesians 6:5 was figuratively saying to respect and obey the responsibilities given to you by your worldly boss (if you have a job.)

    • @dragonturtle2566
      @dragonturtle2566 Před 2 lety +1

      @@trevonpernell0814 Simply put.. be a good worker and not a lazy freeloading idiot. Common sense factor in that one really.

    • @jayburris6252
      @jayburris6252 Před 2 lety +1

      It was a scripted show performed by actors.

    • @jakebowen6856
      @jakebowen6856 Před 2 lety +3

      @@jayburris6252 And that changes what?

  • @metalmouth0413
    @metalmouth0413 Před 4 lety +99

    The gas lighter got legally gas lit

  • @jamesdrynan
    @jamesdrynan Před 3 lety +378

    A well- written and -acted series. Took on many aspects of atrocious human behavior.

  • @LunaGoddess24
    @LunaGoddess24 Před 4 lety +330

    This episode always reminds me of the season 1 episode when Stone prosecutes a women who bombed an abortion clinic because she believes abortion is a sin and she says she is not guilty "in gods eyes" but her logic is almost the same as this defendant. She was trying to do an act of God by trying to stop the abortions, but..ugh you gotta watch it yourself. Season 1 episode 12!

    • @loner1878
      @loner1878 Před 4 lety +15

      And didn't they send a pregnant girl to do a bombing who also died?

    • @hoohaa5088
      @hoohaa5088 Před 4 lety +3

      @@loner1878 Yes, yes she was

    • @thedelta4258
      @thedelta4258 Před 3 lety +38

      But Stone broke her when he asked her if the bomb she sent also killed an unborn baby. You could pin-point the exact moment her mind broke

    • @girlgarde
      @girlgarde Před 2 lety +4

      @Bobbie Charles That he did. They may have had different styles but in the end, the two of them know how to exploit the flaws in the testimony of hostile witnesses.

    • @girlgarde
      @girlgarde Před 2 lety +3

      @@thedelta4258 I did too. Stone completely nailed her and broke her mind in a one hit KO.

  • @skippymagrue
    @skippymagrue Před 4 lety +159

    I worked for Ed Herrmann and met Sam Waterston. They were good friends with each other. Both really great guys!

    • @dramseyno
      @dramseyno Před 3 lety +5

      they were both in the Great Gatsby together

    • @f0rtnitegaming72
      @f0rtnitegaming72 Před 3 lety +4

      Gatsby is my fave book/movie and it kicked off my fascination with Sam Waterston. He will always be the only Nick Caraway for me. I’m glad to hear he was a good guy. I hate when my idols turn out to be jerks.

    • @LordZontar
      @LordZontar Před 3 lety +4

      Actors who are close friends often make very good on-screen opponents in movies and television. The same was true with Richard Widmark and Sidney Portier, who were antagonists in all the movies they appeared in together but were very close in real life.

    • @bellerain381
      @bellerain381 Před 3 lety +1

      That is so cool!!! I bet you have many stories!

    • @myname7056
      @myname7056 Před 2 lety +1

      @@LordZontar Agreed. In Runaway Jury, Dustin Hoffman, and Gene Hackman faced off against each other. They were roommates in the 60s.

  • @Kadasberry11
    @Kadasberry11 Před 4 lety +97

    I love that Sam plays a retired lawyer on Grace & Frankie. Jack McCoy was so good. Top 5 on-screen lawyer 👏🏾

  • @catherinebland2717
    @catherinebland2717 Před 4 lety +193

    I recall a conversation I had with a prosecutor who studied theology and he said the commandment is thou shalt not murder. We commonly translate that to thou shalt not kill.

    • @TimoRutanen
      @TimoRutanen Před 4 lety +24

      Both are already translations. Possibly upon other translations, I'm not a thelogist .

    • @loner1878
      @loner1878 Před 4 lety +17

      And it only applied to fellow israelities, not the other tribes they routinely slaughtered (infants included)

    • @rcslyman8929
      @rcslyman8929 Před 3 lety +5

      There are a few other things in the Bible, especially where Christians are concerned. "Turn the other cheek", for example, as committing violence is so antithesis to the Christian faith that when another does you actual harm, you still are not supposed to strike back (and yes, I'm also aware that when asking "What would Jesus do", flipping tables and whipping people is not out of the question). Also, "Judgement is reserved for God alone." These are paraphrased, but it's the gist of the verses.

    • @loner1878
      @loner1878 Před 3 lety +10

      @@rcslyman8929 The bible says a man can force a miscarriage on his wife if he suspects cheating...

    • @prospero4183
      @prospero4183 Před 3 lety +2

      You make that sounds like it matters and the argument is over.

  • @cakechanaudio
    @cakechanaudio Před 3 lety +120

    This is the first time I've heard in a Law and Order episode that no one shouted, "Objection," in the middle of a court trial. I guess this is the first time everyone's in agreement that this man is a criminal.

    • @katehynds550
      @katehynds550 Před 3 lety +4

      Cakechan Audio that’s so true 👏

    • @DragonGoddess18
      @DragonGoddess18 Před 3 lety +1

      Uhh, dude no offense but it's "trial" not "trail' like "trail mix" or "hiking trail"

    • @johnlatham5391
      @johnlatham5391 Před 3 lety +29

      That guy was acting as his own attorney, so he didn't have anyone to object on his behalf.
      Not that the judge would have ruled for him anyway.

    • @josephsherby
      @josephsherby Před rokem +7

      @@johnlatham5391 Love that the only reason no one shouted objection is because there literally wasn’t anyone in the scene who could reasonably shout it

    • @bananacathammock
      @bananacathammock Před 9 měsíci

      watching the subsequent scene, I think he represent himself? Therefore no defense lawyer to shout 'objection!'

  • @TheMan750
    @TheMan750 Před 3 lety +212

    Kincaid: “Eileen Reed died fighting for woman’s rights”
    McCoy: Eileen Reed died because Randall Jenkins put a bullet in her head”
    Simple yet easy how reasonable doubt can be drawn up.

  • @Huntress_Hannah
    @Huntress_Hannah Před 4 lety +508

    This dude was so flip flop on what the bible apparently does or doesn’t let you do. Holy fudge sticks I’m so confused lmao.

    • @ohglory3924
      @ohglory3924 Před 4 lety +22

      He basically used some verses in the bible to support his argument. Also God does not allow you to murder, that what Jesus said, that even if you have looked at someone wanting them to be murder you wanting evil for them you have committed a sin, because a crime starts with the thoughts, that why you have men's rea and actus rea the men's rea the intent, so the planing in your mind and the actus rea the actual doing. Bible in the old testament tell us things like love you neighboring and hate you enemies, and in the new testament says love you neighbour and pray for your enemies because in the old testament people didn't really want to follow God so God allowed them to do what they believe was humanly wrong to hate their enemies but the new testament Jesus show us how to actually please God by saying Love you enemies, especially when he died on the cross for me and you and pray for this who hung him saying, father forgive them for they don't know what they are doing, because they were killing an innocent man, not giving him a fair trail, that did his trail in the night, which was against the roman law and also they concluded which again is not right in the roman law, so it was an on just trial and also they bought false witnesses so again, Jesus says pray for your enemies, which is what this man should have done and not taken things into his own hands, Jesus loves everyone even though he doesn't love what people do, but he doesn't plan for you to die, which is why in the the verse the man for quoting in Isaiah says I knew before you were in your mother womb, and also another one, God said for I know the thoughts I have towards you meaning the human race, he said thoughts of Good and not of evil to give you an expected end, doesn't mean God believe that some human actions are right , but he is still ready to welcome you into Hus family, no one is perfect but God that why he doesn't expect us to be perfect without him, but with him we can become perfect daily we will fall some time but we will rise up. Jesus said joy, peace and love but the greatest of these is love. Jesus loves you both.

    • @themonolith253
      @themonolith253 Před 3 lety +9

      Thats the abrahamic followers for you. Their entire mythology is all about flip-flopping. Thats why their ridiculous god Yahweh does not work as a concept.

    • @Carolinacaveman
      @Carolinacaveman Před 3 lety +5

      there is so much in the bible that runs contrary to other parts of it. Then ya have to figure out which verse is more important than the other and hten ya have to figure out what is literal and what is metaphorical. It keeps ya busy and distracted and in a state of servitude until you die.

    • @MrBingping
      @MrBingping Před 3 lety +11

      Yeah a lot of religious people are like that. Condemning homosexuality from their couch sitting next to their 3rd spouse and child born out of wedlock. Hypocrisy and religion go hand in hand

    • @dmadd4643
      @dmadd4643 Před 3 lety +3

      @@MrBingping That's why I don't believe in 'Religion'. The concept of religion is a man-made institution, and what is more flawed than man? I have faith, not religion. I trust common sense to keep me from being a nut-job like the idiot in the above clip.

  • @adamplace1414
    @adamplace1414 Před 2 lety +73

    One of my favorite scenes from the entire series. Fantastic play back and forth between these two great actors.

  • @svcbadasswaytocrash2369
    @svcbadasswaytocrash2369 Před 3 lety +461

    I'll never understand why anyone uses the Bible to excuse their actions.

  • @ColumbiaB
    @ColumbiaB Před 4 lety +86

    I loved Edward Herrmann since I first saw him in “Eleanor and Franklin” and “Eleanor and Franklin: The White House Years,” in 1976 and ’77, and was never disappointed by his work over the decades following. I especially liked his turn, in ’86 and ’87, guest-starring on “St. Elsewhere” as Father Joseph McCabe. Of course, he was very funny on “Gilmore Girls.”

    • @samanthanickson6478
      @samanthanickson6478 Před 4 lety +4

      his small but essential role in "overboard" was great too!

    • @Filmation77
      @Filmation77 Před 4 lety +5

      Don't forget The Lost Boys!

    • @thomash.schwed3662
      @thomash.schwed3662 Před 3 lety +5

      Edward Hermann was one of my all-time favorite actors. My favorite roles were when he played my all-time favorite president, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, and I can't help but think he really looked up to him as well, given how many times he portrayed him, from the '70's through his final role as a voice-over in Ken Burns' "The Roosevelts". When Hermann died, I felt as though we had truly lost President Roosevelt all over again!
      Another role I really liked him in was on "M*A*S*H", when he played a surgeon who, tragically, "crashed" amidst the circumstances. I can still see him sitting on the floor in Col. Potter's tent trying to get the blood of off his hands, saying: "It won't come off." And, just by looking at him, one could tell that even he knew it was over.
      As noted in these two roles, Edward Hermann gave his characters everything he had. He was one of only a relative handful of actors and actresses about whom I can honestly say that.

    • @richardrobart-morgan3407
      @richardrobart-morgan3407 Před 2 lety +1

      He also played Richard Rich Sr with near perfection.

    • @Leslie58
      @Leslie58 Před 2 lety +1

      His role as Roosevelt was my first exposure to him as well.

  • @jamesamick2945
    @jamesamick2945 Před 4 lety +73

    This reminds me of an episode where a guy says he's gods prophet. Ben stone says oh really then why does the Bible say, if anyone comes as a prophet in my name do not believe them. People can use the Bible to justify whatever they want to justify. So it's nice when stone or McCoy would show these people that they didn't know the Bible as well as they think.

    • @booyah2u296
      @booyah2u296 Před 4 lety

      What season and episode is that? Who was the prosecutor? Great series this was?

    • @rawyld
      @rawyld Před 4 lety

      Yes please tell me

    • @jamesamick2945
      @jamesamick2945 Před 4 lety

      Season 5 episode 12 progeny

    • @ppanonymous1700
      @ppanonymous1700 Před 4 lety +7

      So many people use the bible to justify things when they haven't even read it... they are EULA Christians (End User License Agreement-they skipped over the fine print and just clicked "I Agree" at the bottom).

  • @KatonNeko
    @KatonNeko Před 3 lety +9

    The dude is back pedaling so much I'M pulling a hammy!

  • @joelknight7539
    @joelknight7539 Před 4 lety +186

    I had forgotten this show pointed out of the most glaring and obvious failures of the bible that Christians just generally ignore. Not only that it doesn't condemn slavery but it actually endorses and regulates it. Almost like it was a book written by men who lived in a world were slavery was not seen as a great morale evil but instead it was a social institution that they never imagined wouldn't exist.
    That or it WAS made by an immortal timeless being who just seemed to reflect the exact morale sentiments of the time period it was wrote in...how odd.

    • @KasbashPlays
      @KasbashPlays Před 4 lety +15

      @Newell Orban Not the entire world is Christian mate. Contrary to popular belief even the colonised countries (like mine where the population accounts for only 2% of the total country's population), aren't Christian. Most non morons know this.

    • @skyeangelofdeath7363
      @skyeangelofdeath7363 Před 4 lety +8

      @Newell Orban Please provide the supposed verse that condemns slavery.
      Additionally; if we pretend for a moment the New Testament condemns slavery...that raises the question why? Did god change his mind? The all-knowing creator of the universe didn't realize slavery was wrong before the New Testament?
      Oh...and finally....you do realize the verse McCoy read in the courtroom was from the New Testament not the Old.....most non-morons know this.....

    • @midwings00
      @midwings00 Před 4 lety +8

      @Newell Orban so unless a religious text says something or the other people will blindly follow it? Even if its contradictory? And why does a book of god change its stance on a particular subject? Its God! Humans change not God he is the supreme being, he kno s everyone and everything! Or atleast that's what his followers believe and that belief is what makes people follow him... Even Flanders in the Simpsons says he does all the things the bible says even then ones that contradict the others!

    • @midwings00
      @midwings00 Před 4 lety +3

      @@skyeangelofdeath7363 I'm being a jerk here, but its fun to see other religions have doubters for a change. We just can't leave it at God is great can we? No we also want to say God decides everything. He gave you life and a brain but still everything is according to my plan! But still devil Exists and you sinned etcetera....

    • @bensonbendon4275
      @bensonbendon4275 Před 4 lety +12

      Slavery in the Bible is not the same as modern slavery, as I posted above. It was a debt owed by one family to another, so the one who owed the debt went to work for seven years or until the debt was paid. It was a business agreement and the worker was to be treated with respect and as a member of the family. It was not taking a person by force with no debt owed as was done, and still exists, in modern times.

  • @ryang54712
    @ryang54712 Před 3 lety +18

    McCoy always spitting logic

  • @eatingmage603
    @eatingmage603 Před 4 lety +68

    Its nice seeing Sam Waterson in something after watching The Newsroom.

  • @OrchestrationOnline
    @OrchestrationOnline Před 3 lety +22

    The golden years, when all the actors and their chemistry were at their best.

  • @NWCountryGirl17
    @NWCountryGirl17 Před 4 lety +22

    putting aside Seely's character motives and the general superpower that is Jack McCoy Ed Herman was such a GREAT lost a real legend when he died

  • @trevonpernell0814
    @trevonpernell0814 Před 3 lety +16

    3:34 And what is your sin?
    4:12 You can't point a gun at another human being, even an abortion doctor, and pull the trigger, because in your soul, you know it's WRONG!
    4:24 YOUR DEFENSE IS A LIE!

  • @darkvixenkillu1
    @darkvixenkillu1 Před 2 lety +4

    "law and order Jack McCoy being epic" that's what i typed into the search bar and this was the first result video that came up. Perfect video match XD

  • @calebcarmichael2257
    @calebcarmichael2257 Před 10 měsíci +7

    I’m a Christian and I believe god gave us something we should listen to just as much if not more then the Bible. A conscience.

  • @5Mariner
    @5Mariner Před 3 lety +13

    Give this judge a medal!

  • @Rog5446
    @Rog5446 Před 2 lety +6

    Your Honor, he's badgering me. Judge should have replied: That's the job of a prosecution lawyer.

  • @Chirpysemperboy
    @Chirpysemperboy Před 3 lety +12

    Since he is so eager to quote Bible verses, here is an important one:
    Matthew 7, Verse 1 "Judge not, less ye be judged. For the measure you take against others will be taken against you."

  • @dangerfindertreasureseeker8905

    When he said “ God told me to kill “, I found that funny. Why would God tell someone to do something that is a mortal sin. Breaking a commandment is a major no no , saying a couple Hail Marys isn’t going to cleanse that one away.
    Which makes me wonder who was really asking him to break Gods law, gee I wonder who that could be? ( sarcasm ) .
    Either way this man God following or not will be going to hell for using others he manipulated to do murder on another regardless of reasons why.

    • @sleekelegancesuave
      @sleekelegancesuave Před 2 lety +2

      Oh yeah he most definitely have blood on his hands

    • @masternoob9673
      @masternoob9673 Před 2 lety +4

      Sometimes one must stop and think: What kind of being is God, REALLY?

    • @HeronCoyote1234
      @HeronCoyote1234 Před rokem +3

      I’m not religious by any means, but didn’t God command Abraham to sacrifice (kill) his son, which Abraham was preparing to do, when God said, “Ok, you passed the test. Now release your son and sacrifice that ram (conveniently) stuck in the bushes over there”?

    • @bluesrike
      @bluesrike Před rokem +6

      It's either:
      A. Their god is contradicting himself
      B. They use religion to justify their shittiness. Like so many people.

    • @ignatiusq.snerdiiesq.7007
      @ignatiusq.snerdiiesq.7007 Před 8 měsíci +1

      The commandment says Thou shalt not commit murder not Thou shalt not kill.

  • @dramseyno
    @dramseyno Před 3 lety +12

    Sam Waterston and Ed Herrman both were very young when they did The Great Gatsby.

  • @marcosjuarez7809
    @marcosjuarez7809 Před 4 lety +79

    Wow! What a powerful storyline on Law & Order. This remains me of another anti-abortion activist in Season 1.

    • @booyah2u296
      @booyah2u296 Před 4 lety +9

      Is that the episode with Ben stone and the lady? If it's that one, it was very good. Or was it another episode that I may have missed?

    • @intldawn
      @intldawn Před 4 lety +5

      Ben Stone took her out with one brilliant question that turned her logic around and made her realize by getting a young pregnant woman killed, she was no better than the abortion doctor she said was a murderer.

    • @marcosjuarez7809
      @marcosjuarez7809 Před 4 lety +1

      @@booyah2u296 That's the one.

    • @marcosjuarez7809
      @marcosjuarez7809 Před 4 lety +2

      @@intldawn Exactly, she was no better than the abortion doctor she said was a murderer. It is like Ben Stone said when he asked the anti-abortion activist, "If abortion is murder, no matter how bad you feel for Mary Donovan, are you guilty of killing her unborn child?"

    • @electroskates2434
      @electroskates2434 Před 3 lety

      @@booyah2u296 THAT EPISODE WAS FIRE 🔥

  • @kodezero0015
    @kodezero0015 Před 2 lety +10

    The best ADA in the ENTIRE SERIES!! HANDS DOWN?!!!!

  • @jworth7203
    @jworth7203 Před 2 lety +6

    Edward Herman…..rest in peace. What a phenomenal talent.

  • @efuller3333
    @efuller3333 Před 3 lety +11

    Some powerhouse writing and acting in this clip ✨👏🏼 SW

  • @falcon3268
    @falcon3268 Před 3 lety +16

    This video made my day, seeing someone that tries to hide behind the bible get called out.

  • @wallflower7441
    @wallflower7441 Před 2 lety +5

    Says “thou shall not kill” then tries to justify murder

  • @sonofbondjamesbond
    @sonofbondjamesbond Před 3 lety +7

    Hows that vampire not catching on fire? I think the frog brothers are looking for you!

  • @Vesperitis
    @Vesperitis Před 3 lety +34

    *Him:* That is between me and my god!
    *Me:* But you're not being judged by God right now, you're being judged by a jury. If God is all you care about, then you shouldn't be worried about going to jail because God will give you your just rewards, right?

  • @thunderstud6701
    @thunderstud6701 Před 3 lety +7

    Jack McCoy is a beast. ( Mic drop)

  • @A_friend_of_Aristotle
    @A_friend_of_Aristotle Před 4 lety +17

    The best way to avoid moral confusion is to build your ethics on conviction and not faith.
    Convictions built using the focus of your reasoning mind can be tested against reality and, if found incorrect, abandoned in favor of the facts. Not so with faith...more often than not it is reality that is abandoned in favor of a lie.

    • @snakebitepellehue
      @snakebitepellehue Před 4 lety

      That's precisely the reason why I built my pro-life beliefs on conviction, such as science, and not on religion, even though I'm a believer. If they were built only on faith then they would be very fragile.

    • @amirsafwan8491
      @amirsafwan8491 Před 4 lety

      Like how Desmond Doss did it? Convictions built using the focus of your reasoning mind I mean.

    • @davidstrohl
      @davidstrohl Před 3 lety

      Well said.

    • @scottmatheson3346
      @scottmatheson3346 Před 3 lety

      @@snakebitepellehue no, you didn't, no matter how much you lie to yourself about it.

    • @snakebitepellehue
      @snakebitepellehue Před 3 lety +1

      @@scottmatheson3346 Oh really? Do you know me? Do you know what I believe in? If not, then stop mansplaining MY convictions to me. Thank you very much.

  • @jamesbaggett7223
    @jamesbaggett7223 Před 3 lety +9

    Edward Herrmann is a underrated actor

  • @dragonstarplanet
    @dragonstarplanet Před 4 lety +42

    The defendant is nuts.

  • @promeym2587
    @promeym2587 Před 4 lety +6

    This really is the best cross in the series.

  • @fulcrum2951
    @fulcrum2951 Před 3 lety +5

    "That is between me and my god"
    And god will still ask the same question

  • @ashleighgray1387
    @ashleighgray1387 Před 3 lety +16

    Am I the only one who’s is smiling like a Cheshire Cat 🐱

  • @giles852002
    @giles852002 Před 3 lety +9

    Absolutely fantastic performances!

  • @pauldavies5611
    @pauldavies5611 Před 3 lety +2

    Man, I’m just going to have to buy this series.

  • @johnnyslash9033
    @johnnyslash9033 Před 10 měsíci +2

    Don't invite him into your house! He's a vampire 😂

  • @lilyobrien3264
    @lilyobrien3264 Před 4 lety +12

    It’s weird seeing a young Richard gillmore

  • @mistyvaughn6356
    @mistyvaughn6356 Před 3 lety +3

    That man was an amazing actor, grew up watching his work.

  • @TheBatugan77
    @TheBatugan77 Před 3 měsíci +2

    "What is bigotry?"
    "Bigger than a smaller tree!"

  • @thomaschacko6320
    @thomaschacko6320 Před 8 měsíci +2

    The actor being questioned was Edward Hermann, always superb. He made an excellent guest appearance on “MASH,” and years ago played Franklin D Roosevelt.

    • @kimberlybellard6972
      @kimberlybellard6972 Před 16 hodinami

      Wasn’t he the racist general who was trying to send his black troops back home bc he didn’t want them in his unit or something like that???

  • @ericthomas917
    @ericthomas917 Před 3 lety +10

    Jack is the man

  • @SystemofEleven
    @SystemofEleven Před 3 lety +7

    ...I mean I woulda just pulled out the verse where god literally gives the priests a recipe for an abortion potion and instructs them in its ritual use, but hey, I guess this works too.

  • @popspapa7059
    @popspapa7059 Před 3 lety +5

    Love the sinner, not the sin. We are not here judge. We are here to either accept hate, or spread love. More love please.

    • @MrUndersolo
      @MrUndersolo Před 3 lety +2

      Unfortunately, we are here to judge. That is the court set up to defend the people. Hate the sin and punish the sinner (that is what we do all the time). And that defendant did not show much love himself, did he?

  • @HPmob420
    @HPmob420 Před 4 lety +543

    This episode is almost 30 years old and the hypocrisy of pro-lifers is still so relevant

    • @TheJFerg24
      @TheJFerg24 Před 3 lety +8

      Of extremists, yes

    • @prospero4183
      @prospero4183 Před 3 lety +20

      Hypocrisy is pro choice as well. It's the problem with a choice that is sometimes a lesser of two evils. Everyone picks sides at the extreme and declares themselves holy and the opposition as demonic

    • @XIIIphobos
      @XIIIphobos Před 3 lety +25

      Pro-life = Anti-women

    • @belsnickel9568
      @belsnickel9568 Před 3 lety +13

      prospero 41 pro lifers aren’t alway Christians. It doesn’t come down to religion at the end of the day it comes down to control

    • @prospero4183
      @prospero4183 Před 3 lety +6

      @@belsnickel9568 never said they were, but pro choice or pro life becomes noise to a debate that can never end.

  • @melindachapman8927
    @melindachapman8927 Před 3 lety +6

    2:45 Hold tf up we not just gonna speed past this like he just didn't admit to killing her

  • @Chemdawg2009
    @Chemdawg2009 Před 3 lety +8

    Top ten cross examinations on L&O

  • @JonCom3dy
    @JonCom3dy Před rokem +1

    The way Sam Waterson moves his head when he says dialogue 😂

  • @HamanKarn567
    @HamanKarn567 Před 4 měsíci

    I love that actors voice. He did so many documentary back in the day like the American Revolution and Washington's Generals. I think he did the presodents also. Very good voice for narration

  • @lilybolanos9301
    @lilybolanos9301 Před 4 lety +29

    I can’t stand the fact that people use Christianity and God as justification for doing horrible things.

    • @vmax4steve524
      @vmax4steve524 Před 3 lety +6

      The bible is full of god instructing people to do horrible things.

    • @DrownedInExile
      @DrownedInExile Před 3 lety +4

      It's not a bug, it's a feature.

    • @punkylynneramone1981
      @punkylynneramone1981 Před 16 dny

      Me neither! My abuser tried to use God and religion to justify his beatings towards me.

  • @williamsquires3070
    @williamsquires3070 Před 4 lety +5

    (@5:29) - Can we treat the witness as hostile, your Honor?” 😏

  • @Brian-uy2tj
    @Brian-uy2tj Před rokem

    This was a great episode. One of the best.

  • @monkeycat48
    @monkeycat48 Před rokem +2

    I just love Jack McCoy the actor plays him he’s very talented

  • @hooting-ton5215
    @hooting-ton5215 Před rokem +3

    Remember. When God said:
    "Do not use my name in Vein" he was talking about committing atrocious acts: war, murder or mass extortion in his name.

  • @MMuraseofSandvich
    @MMuraseofSandvich Před 4 lety +25

    Anyone who uses the witness stand as a pulpit needs an ego reduction.
    Edit: He represented himself. Yeah, I think his performance here is a great reason to hire an attorney if you're charged with conspiracy.

  • @johnguevara6160
    @johnguevara6160 Před 11 měsíci +1

    Modern marvels voice over guy is awesome

  • @dougo891
    @dougo891 Před rokem +1

    This is one of the best moments from Law and Order that I have ever seen😎😎😎

  • @HonestTakeOnStupid
    @HonestTakeOnStupid Před 3 lety +6

    Mccoy, didnt ask a question. He made a statement.

    • @dbergerac9632
      @dbergerac9632 Před 3 lety +2

      He usually just testifies on behalf of the witness. The defense attornies there all seem to be asleep.

    • @scottmatheson3346
      @scottmatheson3346 Před 3 lety +2

      in fairness, in this case the idiot defendant is defending himself so there's no one to object to mccoy's behavior.

    • @dbergerac9632
      @dbergerac9632 Před 3 lety +1

      @@scottmatheson3346 He does this in every episode. I'm surprised he kept his license.

  • @cjfontaine9206
    @cjfontaine9206 Před 3 lety +48

    Unlike most pro-lifers this guy is at least consistent in his beliefs. He opposes the death penalty AND war AND abortion.

    • @DigitalPadawan
      @DigitalPadawan Před 3 lety +9

      but imposed death on the doctor?

    • @omargoodman2999
      @omargoodman2999 Před 3 lety +11

      @@DigitalPadawan Well, that's kind of his character flaw. He's against all that stuff, but claims he'd be willing to shoot in defense of another and claims that "defense of another" includes a fetus. But then in Vietnam, there was always an excuse for why he never had a reason or need to shoot to protect anyone else and, with the doctor, he couldn't bring himself to pull the trigger himself. He's all talk and ideology but, when it comes to actually putting it into action, he can't actually bring himself to take the actions he, himself, advocates in the name of God. Classic cognitive dissonance; he's caught between understanding that killing anyone is wrong and being justified in killing someone to protect someone else and can't pick a lane. So his compromise is to make excuses and always have other people available to pull the trigger for him since he wants it done, but won't do it himself. It's a bad case of projectile dysfunction.

  • @madamvaudelune3298
    @madamvaudelune3298 Před 2 lety +3

    I am a Roman Catholic. We may die for our religion any day. We may never kill for it.

  • @camsully7325
    @camsully7325 Před rokem +2

    Ed Herrmann was always one hell of an actor.

  • @nicklikesfitness2815
    @nicklikesfitness2815 Před 4 lety +10

    I can hear legal eagle saying you can't enter the well...the bailiff will tackle you

  • @davidhutchinson5233
    @davidhutchinson5233 Před 3 lety +3

    Death camp clinics. That little statement infuriated me quite a bit. The difference is those in the camps had NO choice whatsoever.

    • @loner1878
      @loner1878 Před 3 lety +4

      And not to mention Jewish people follow the teaching that life begins at the first breath so abortion is not a controversy in Judaism.

  • @DialitDown
    @DialitDown Před 26 dny

    That’s the vampire leader, Max. His hounds of hell must be outside?

  • @carolmk3114
    @carolmk3114 Před 4 lety +11

    Poor God always blamed for things that have nothing to do with Him.
    He says don't kill people and they kill people and say God made me do it. He can't catch a break. He says love your enemies and then they kill their enemies and it's His fault.

    • @josephalbatross5961
      @josephalbatross5961 Před 4 lety

      Is God ok with the abortion doctor who shreds a child in the womb to pieces?

    • @dreamhobbiz
      @dreamhobbiz Před 4 lety +4

      People seem to know what God thinks and can read his mind. They are projecting their own desires and biases onto what they think God would like or not like, or even what he wants to hear. That's normal i guess. After all, God is made up of what people think and feel about him. How many times have we heard people say "God would want this", "God would want that" or "God told me to do this or that"? Really?

    • @josephalbatross5961
      @josephalbatross5961 Před 4 lety

      @@classixdrummer Why do you say it's "my view"? What abortion doctors do is a matter of record, is it not?

    • @DrownedInExile
      @DrownedInExile Před 4 lety +6

      @@josephalbatross5961 A fetus is not a child any more than a pine cone is a tree. If you don't understand that, you have nothing useful to say on this subject.

    • @josephalbatross5961
      @josephalbatross5961 Před 4 lety +2

      @@DrownedInExile A pinecone is not a tree. Baby trees and adult trees have different moral worth based on their utility to humankind.
      A fetus is not an adult. A living human child does have equal moral worth with an adult because all of humankind are created equal. Murdering a young human, old human, disabled human, dependent human is still murder.

  • @nikkyk4839
    @nikkyk4839 Před 4 lety +4

    It's not murder if you get rid of something that can't live without you or to be specific, your body. They would die either way if it weren't for their host, so why call it murder? Some things are just not meant to be.

    • @SpideyRules-pq6be
      @SpideyRules-pq6be Před 3 lety

      That argument doesn't really work since they still wouldn't be able to survive without the mother even after they're out of the womb. They would need to be fed, bathed, clothed, kept warm, protected, etc. Think about it, no one would just leave a baby to fend for itself just because that baby happened to be out of the womb. A baby is just as dependent on it's mother as a fetus is, just not in the same way (for example, the mother can feed the fetus just by eating while a baby would have to be fed directly). The question is whether or not fetuses are considered human or sentient life, not whether they can or can't survive on their own since that would be a ludicrous stance to take.

    • @electroskates2434
      @electroskates2434 Před 3 lety

      @@SpideyRules-pq6be Sometimes we need abortions

  • @Silverspecks
    @Silverspecks Před 3 lety +6

    Wow, this is a good one.

  • @Poormrworry
    @Poormrworry Před 4 měsíci

    Now this episode is a time capsule!

  • @Destinychanged
    @Destinychanged Před 9 měsíci

    I’m glad they show that one of the judge’s jobs is sometimes looking out for a defendant.

  • @TheLegend1800
    @TheLegend1800 Před 2 lety +4

    I'd like to know why this even needed a court case. This dude literally went on the stand and stated, to the judge, jury, and everyone attending: "Yes, I told so-and-so to kill that doctor. I take responsibility for the murder. If I didn't tell him to do it then he wouldn't have done it." Just throw him in prison! He's all but pled guilty!

    • @jexelbur6872
      @jexelbur6872 Před 2 lety +2

      He’s putting up a “justification defense” as in “he had good reason to commit the crime and shouldn’t go to jail.” The issue with his defense is that he himself doesn’t believe the crime is 100% justified (he won’t do it himself but he’ll make others do it), making his defense void.

  • @boombangpow889
    @boombangpow889 Před 2 lety +3

    “No? So…have you been reading god’s mind?” OOP! 🙊 Okay, Sol!!!!

  • @HellstreamGames
    @HellstreamGames Před rokem +2

    Thats the thing with these sickos. The second the baby is born, they stop caring about his/hers life

  • @michaellazzeri2069
    @michaellazzeri2069 Před 6 měsíci

    THE late--great, great, Edward Hermann ! he was a joy to see on the screen. RIP