Great video! But does anyone else have a really, REALLY strange list of recommended videos on the right side of the screen, just for this video? I wonder if CZcams classifies Horus Heresy miniatures as "toys", because I see the trailers for The Lion King, and Toy Story 4, and a whole lot of videos for young children.
Used to happen to me. Just keep clicking "not interested" till CZcams starts to run out of shit to recommend me and start to show old video from the same channel.
The command squad can be used to create a Herald, and the other one is easy to convert into other consuls, sometimes with no need for conversion at all.
What's your opinion on Destroyers now that they're +1 attacks and fewer points (in the playtest). Rad grenades, maybe a single rad missile launcher (it has suspensors so assault), 10 dudes with a moritat in. Taken with Blood Angels - moriat has scout so use Scout rule to deploy from reserves in Outflank pop out next to something important 18 bolt-pistol shots (plus up to 12 of whatever you gave the Moritat - inferno pistols?) and a rad missile, next turn up to 18 bolt pistol shots (depending on return fire), two shots from the moritat, and a rad missile then a charge with up to 40 attacks at S4 and 5 attacks at whatever S the weapons you gave the moritat... depending on how the rad missiles went you could be be facing troops of -2 to their toughness, that's instant death against most things. Worst case scenario you're still at 2s to wound most things (+1 to wound rolls in combat for BA). As the Moritat also has Counter-attack it doesn't matter if the enemy charge you as you still get all your attacks and rad-grenades. Possibly fluff cheesy as BA have the Angel's Tears unit, but I couldn't see anything in the fluff that says expressly that they don't have any normal destroyers, especially as the Angel's Tears are part of the inner circle and normal rank and file destroyers would be something in some companies and a different thing... mileage may vary on fluffiness
The typhon reminds me of my ork kill blasts. In 7th it dropped a 7"D template. It was pretty much the only decent shooting the orks had...... Then came 8th, ugh, how the mighty has fallen. I feel sorry for the people who brought several for tournament play.
On a sidenote, destroyer with the latest FAQ are really strong with almost all mele legiones and RG. My poor malcador got so nerfed... Don't get why they removed the super heavy rule... With the super heavy rules they were very resilient and lasted quite long with demolisher + batllecanon it was quite good to get really close with no penalty Thanks for this vid !
Any chance on covering what SA/guard vehicles are worth playing for the Legion? I suppose Lightning is pretty common. I am looking at the Crassus chasis and specifically the missile and bombard variants.
There's a whole playlist of something like 30 videos on the topic called Entering 30k on the channel which goes through basic rules, legion by legion, faction by faction and this is simply the latest of those.
Same here....as an IF player I recommand you to play with the Stone Gauntelet RoW. T 5 /3++ and take a cataphractii medic and you will have a 3++/5 + fnp. Which you can make against everything except strength 10 shots.
Xav Met How do you counter the magnitude of s7/8/9 ap3 (minimum) weapons using Stone Gauntlet? Stone Gauntlet never seemed that useful for me. It’s more of a defensive army, which is pointless to me if the enemy isn’t mêlée centric. Shooty armies will wipe me off the board.
You mention that Proteus land speeders aren't that great - but I feel like they could be good in a Night Lords terror assault list (or any other Rite with restrictions on Heavy Support) with a Graviton/Melta Combo. They die fast but for 40 points plus the cost of weapons, they might be the cheapest FAST anti-armor out there. In points obviously. The real prohibitive cost is the $98 you have to drop for a freaking land speeder. How damn that is expensive. Forge World might as well start advertising as if they are a mall jeweler: "Make two months salary last forever" lol.
I've used this grav/melta combo in my Raven Guard. I already have good reserve manipulation and deep strike control so a unit of 3 can be placed pretty much anywhere I want without fear of scatter. It's really handy to pretty much guarantee the Death of a standard astartes vehicle, or they can pile in on bigger vehicle targets with the rest of my force. They might die the next turn but with target saturation of a big turn two drop you can force some tough choices. At their best Ive had them slink around the backfield wrecking enemy artillery parks. At worst they might plink a HP or two off a crucial Spartan. Don't forget that a unit of 3 can really body block a Spartan death star, forcing them to go around or disembark early. Even if they die after doing that they could have paid for themselves. I did cheap out and use plastic speeders with heresy crew and guns.
I have an Emperor's Children force that I've been buiding and painting for some time and was gutted to see that Forge World stopped selling the transfer sheets for Emperor's Childen. Is it not the case that Forge World are just going through the motions with the Horus Heresy now and just looking to wrap it up? It seems worrying that one might start a particular legion then suddenly Forge World just stop selling something as important as the transfer sheets for a given legion. Who is going to start building Emperor's Children now knowing that they can't finish off any of their units with insignia?
@@FD-pi2gj aye. I mean, as they regained their planets. They should have ran into a few Orks,.. they are the bloody Cockroaches of the Galaxy. Where there is one, there are many...
Great Crusade is a bit different to Horus Heresy, but if you wanted to use 7th ed orks that's fine, just use the HH force org charts for list building, not the terrible GW ones with all the weird formation stuff.
Ooof, that closinging'ish comment about Forgeworld's website being crap and us hopefully getting better in the future hits differently now that we have GW's horrible new Warhammer webshop.
I will politely disagree with your assessment of the Thunderhawk and Stormbird. All you commented on was the awkwardness of the model and not the actual effectiveness of them.
The effectiveness? You need to play 4000 point games, give or take, in order to use them. That means a huge investment, and whilst they are effective units, if someone brings along a pair of lightnings they can probably tear the ass out of 1/4 of your army by blowing up that Thunder/Storm in a single turn, which will then crash down into the units below, and kill any on board. Totally impractical.
I have no idea what this is about. I do know who Horus is. I do know who legion is. I do know what that symbol or sigal at the beginning means. None of that is good or what I was looking for.
Yes!, Finally were back on track with Horus Heresy.
The video should be tilted what to 3d print.
Great video!
But does anyone else have a really, REALLY strange list of recommended videos on the right side of the screen, just for this video?
I wonder if CZcams classifies Horus Heresy miniatures as "toys", because I see the trailers for The Lion King, and Toy Story 4, and a whole lot of videos for young children.
Used to happen to me. Just keep clicking "not interested" till CZcams starts to run out of shit to recommend me and start to show old video from the same channel.
Just a quick one, Dark Angels can't put acid rounds on the quad heavy bolter rapiers, which sucks!
I dont even play Heresy but I love these videos :) nice work again, Macca
Always appreciated. Keep up the good work.
Hey thanks for your videos man, I really appreciate your content.
Liking the Monty Python reference!
Thanks for the video.
The command squad can be used to create a Herald, and the other one is easy to convert into other consuls, sometimes with no need for conversion at all.
What's your opinion on Destroyers now that they're +1 attacks and fewer points (in the playtest). Rad grenades, maybe a single rad missile launcher (it has suspensors so assault), 10 dudes with a moritat in. Taken with Blood Angels - moriat has scout so use Scout rule to deploy from reserves in Outflank pop out next to something important 18 bolt-pistol shots (plus up to 12 of whatever you gave the Moritat - inferno pistols?) and a rad missile, next turn up to 18 bolt pistol shots (depending on return fire), two shots from the moritat, and a rad missile then a charge with up to 40 attacks at S4 and 5 attacks at whatever S the weapons you gave the moritat... depending on how the rad missiles went you could be be facing troops of -2 to their toughness, that's instant death against most things. Worst case scenario you're still at 2s to wound most things (+1 to wound rolls in combat for BA). As the Moritat also has Counter-attack it doesn't matter if the enemy charge you as you still get all your attacks and rad-grenades.
Possibly fluff cheesy as BA have the Angel's Tears unit, but I couldn't see anything in the fluff that says expressly that they don't have any normal destroyers, especially as the Angel's Tears are part of the inner circle and normal rank and file destroyers would be something in some companies and a different thing... mileage may vary on fluffiness
The typhon reminds me of my ork kill blasts. In 7th it dropped a 7"D template. It was pretty much the only decent shooting the orks had...... Then came 8th, ugh, how the mighty has fallen. I feel sorry for the people who brought several for tournament play.
On a sidenote, destroyer with the latest FAQ are really strong with almost all mele legiones and RG.
My poor malcador got so nerfed... Don't get why they removed the super heavy rule... With the super heavy rules they were very resilient and lasted quite long with demolisher + batllecanon it was quite good to get really close with no penalty
Thanks for this vid !
Seeker are my fav infantry unit.
@@Psytrome My RG seekers are awesome in ZM. I really like the option for targets you have with them. They've got a little something for everyone
Any chance on covering what SA/guard vehicles are worth playing for the Legion? I suppose Lightning is pretty common.
I am looking at the Crassus chasis and specifically the missile and bombard variants.
So looking to get into HH and so want to run a champ in my dark angles list is the tyranic gratesword or Thr paragon blade a better option
Sorry what video did you discuss the graviton batteries in? Id love to hear more about them
A 30k tactics video, it's on the channel somewhere, I think "kill the deathstar" or such
Awesome primer, I'll suggest the video to a few friends who want to start with 30k
There's a whole playlist of something like 30 videos on the topic called Entering 30k on the channel which goes through basic rules, legion by legion, faction by faction and this is simply the latest of those.
playing world eaters is suffering.
It's great you mean ahah
@once upon a death his lucid moments are chilling he and vulkan are the only 2 with a real morale compass
Not particularly important for my Imperial Fists but I’m reluctant to do a White Scars army without the legion specific torsos.
White scars are in a odd place. They wern't well liked and got the crap armour, but mk3 is supposed to be the siege armour so doesnt realy fit them.
@@caboosealmighty3735 mk ii is definitely the way to go for them
@@FD-pi2gj If only FW still sold Mark II sets, or GW had decided to make a plastic 10 man box like they did with Mark III and Mark IV
Appreciate the pointers. btw, How does terrax drill compare to drop pods?
Better transport capacity, has ok offensive options, doesn't need a Rite of War, all in all quite solid.
Had a friend that took malcadors before the nerf. Two pie plates are turn was nasty. But now they are pretty useless.
Every HH batrep video
*1 minute in*
*sO hERe We HAve 2 GrAV FluX lEviAthANs*
can i talk to you about buying your solar auxsilia boxes?
In general for imperial fist terminators would you recommend the storm shield or sticking with the twin linked bolter?
John Gehan Storm shields with chainfists and teleportation transponders, is my recommendation.
Same here....as an IF player I recommand you to play with the Stone Gauntelet RoW.
T 5 /3++ and take a cataphractii medic and you will have a 3++/5 + fnp.
Which you can make against everything except strength 10 shots.
Xav Met How do you counter the magnitude of s7/8/9 ap3 (minimum) weapons using Stone Gauntlet? Stone Gauntlet never seemed that useful for me.
It’s more of a defensive army, which is pointless to me if the enemy isn’t mêlée centric. Shooty armies will wipe me off the board.
You mention that Proteus land speeders aren't that great - but I feel like they could be good in a Night Lords terror assault list (or any other Rite with restrictions on Heavy Support) with a Graviton/Melta Combo. They die fast but for 40 points plus the cost of weapons, they might be the cheapest FAST anti-armor out there. In points obviously. The real prohibitive cost is the $98 you have to drop for a freaking land speeder. How damn that is expensive. Forge World might as well start advertising as if they are a mall jeweler: "Make two months salary last forever" lol.
I've used this grav/melta combo in my Raven Guard. I already have good reserve manipulation and deep strike control so a unit of 3 can be placed pretty much anywhere I want without fear of scatter. It's really handy to pretty much guarantee the Death of a standard astartes vehicle, or they can pile in on bigger vehicle targets with the rest of my force. They might die the next turn but with target saturation of a big turn two drop you can force some tough choices. At their best Ive had them slink around the backfield wrecking enemy artillery parks. At worst they might plink a HP or two off a crucial Spartan. Don't forget that a unit of 3 can really body block a Spartan death star, forcing them to go around or disembark early. Even if they die after doing that they could have paid for themselves.
I did cheap out and use plastic speeders with heresy crew and guns.
I have an Emperor's Children force that I've been buiding and painting for some time and was gutted to see that Forge World stopped selling the transfer sheets for Emperor's Childen. Is it not the case that Forge World are just going through the motions with the Horus Heresy now and just looking to wrap it up? It seems worrying that one might start a particular legion then suddenly Forge World just stop selling something as important as the transfer sheets for a given legion. Who is going to start building Emperor's Children now knowing that they can't finish off any of their units with insignia?
Chivas6 it is possible to free hand I do that cause I was too cheap to buy transfers and decided it would be decent practice
I just can’t spend 31 dollars for stickers
Can Orks play in 30k?
I think you can play them using 7th edition 40k rules, but I'm not really sure
@@FD-pi2gj aye. I mean, as they regained their planets. They should have ran into a few Orks,.. they are the bloody Cockroaches of the Galaxy. Where there is one, there are many...
Great Crusade is a bit different to Horus Heresy, but if you wanted to use 7th ed orks that's fine, just use the HH force org charts for list building, not the terrible GW ones with all the weird formation stuff.
Ooof, that closinging'ish comment about Forgeworld's website being crap and us hopefully getting better in the future hits differently now that we have GW's horrible new Warhammer webshop.
I will politely disagree with your assessment of the Thunderhawk and Stormbird. All you commented on was the awkwardness of the model and not the actual effectiveness of them.
They're centerpiece model, not something a player is going to structure armies around.
The effectiveness? You need to play 4000 point games, give or take, in order to use them. That means a huge investment, and whilst they are effective units, if someone brings along a pair of lightnings they can probably tear the ass out of 1/4 of your army by blowing up that Thunder/Storm in a single turn, which will then crash down into the units below, and kill any on board.
Totally impractical.
I have no idea what this is about. I do know who Horus is. I do know who legion is. I do know what that symbol or sigal at the beginning means. None of that is good or what I was looking for.
I don't think you know anything m8