Unboxing Elvis: Elvis On Tour - Legacy vs Amiga! (EAPSS02E38)
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- Elvis Presley CD Box Sets: Elvis On Tour (Sony) vs Elvis On Tour (Amiga) Reaction, Unboxing, and Discussion!
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2022 and 2023 brought an abundance of "Elvis: On Tour" material to fans - both officially (Sony Legacy) and unofficially (Amiga). So, how do these two stack up? In this episode, Jamie and John dive into both of these sets, giving a deep dive to see just what's good - and what's lacking - in each of them!
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Great episode guys, sadly the shots that are dated to Hampton Roads don't seem to be shots from Hampton roads. And Elvis wore the red burning love suit in both Richmond and Little Rock on that tour ;)
Thank you! And thank you so much for the clarification! I will pin this so everyone sees it!
Any time! I was fortunate to help with the FTD on tour book, helping to date some shots and supplying some photos@@EAPSociety
@ELVISDINNERSHOW Very nice!! That's awesome!
Just a quick note: this was filmed before the newest FTD 1972 box set came out - we'll be doing a video on that at some point, too!
Is that your Elvis impression at the beginning? It almost sounds like AI Elvis.
@@secondbestsull7541 Thank you!! It's me (Jamie), and was just a throwaway I did as a joke before we filmed, and I decided to include it, lol
AMIGA-wow, I come from East Germany and in the former GDR the record company for entertainment music was also called "AMIGA". So I had to smile a little. An album like that would never have been available there or back then. But in fact the GDR label was abused for Elvis bootlegs in the 70s. I even have an LP of it - samples for the 1968 TV special. A cool album. I wanted to mention that when I saw the "AMIGA" label here. Cool video. Kind regards from Germny.
Good box set!
Hello Jamie and John,
Thank you for comparing the two publications. Good Work from you both. I would also like to hope that with the March 1972 session the rehearsal and mock session will be published in full, with more dialogue from FTD.
But FTD shouldn't wait that long, many hardcore fans are already quite old.
Thanks to both of you! Greetings from Germany !
You're very welcome, Ronald! Happy to do it! And I agree that it's frustrating to see Sony and FTD releasing edited material this late in the releases. I was hoping they'd be through with that by now!
I have both and personally, I prefer the Amiga set.⚡️
Same! If if weren't for the more complete live CDs, it'd be a blow-out.
What a fantastic episode. You guys have made my fandom grow leaps and bounds which I never thought could happen. Thank you for bringing so much joy to this Elvis fan.
That is one of the best compliments we could ever get - thank you so, SO much!! We're more than happy to help, and happy to bring the joy!
Ok maybe I’m easily entertained but that opening takeoff on On Tour was spit my drink out funny. Instant classic. Listened to it a half dozen times.
I liked it too 😄😄😄
LOL - I'm so glad you liked that! I was hoping everyone would take it with the "tongue-in-cheek" vibe that was intended! 😁
@@Rock4UNow Thanks, Levi! Yeah, I just did that before John and I filmed as a throw-away joke, and liked it so much, I kept it, lol!
As I've mentioned elsewhere here, I am still waiting for The Definitive "On Tour" release. As yet, there hasn't been one. What I'm asking for is footage of the backstage interviews, a decent soundstage, where sound and vision come together nicely and the Best Vison of the concerts made into a Definitive DVD-Blu ray. It doesn't have to be 20 discs: five should cover most of the important content, and sell it to the world. Hopefully with Baz doing a reboot of "On Tour" this may yet happen, he tends to think like an Elvis Fan. Also, the flimsy packaging that these release are housed in is pathetic, considering the inflated price that's asked. Again a very good feed guys, I like how you two drill down into the very essence of the package, and tease-out information we should seek in the listen.
Terry, I 100% agree with you - we've yet to truly see the definitive set. Hopefully we'll see it in our lifetimes, and I look forward to seeing what Baz has in store!
Great Episode, thanks for sharing
Thanks, Levi - so glad you enjoyed it! This is one we'd wrestled with doing for quite some time now!
Love and Knowledge of Elvis, Excellent
Thank you so much!
I am sooo thankful for you guys! Thank you! Unbelievable job and effort on our behalf, to provide this MUST SEE video for every serious Elvis fan/collector. 👏👏👍
Thank you, Graeme! This kinda work is among our favorite to do, too! (At least until we can do our own releases)
Thanks for all you do.
You're so very welcome! Thank you for enjoying the videos! 😁
Thanks for another great video. I really enjoy those kind of videos. One addition: the Buffalo rehearsal on the AMIGA set doesnt run on the correct pitch/speed. Its down half a step - until I Cant Stop Loving You⚡
You're very welcome - and thank you for that on the Amiga set, we did miss mentioning that (all of the tapes run at slightly different speeds than the Sony versions, but that's a greater difference).
I love this box. The shows are awesome. The In Person ftd set is a great companion. The amiga set is also nice.
Yeah, the new set is very good, as is the sound! This was filmed before that came out, but we're looking forward to looking at that, too.
You guys should write a book of your discussion here and call it something like The frustrations of the Elvis Nerds .Lol …and .Sony or whoever in charge will finally take notice and come out with the absolute complete definitive set . even I’m getting frustrated for you 🙉
LOL! I love that book title!! Actually, we'd like to just grow the channel enough to start leasing audio from Sony and doing it ourselves. Someday! 😁
An awesome critique! I don't know anyone (besides myself) that is analyzing the Elvis mixes and overall musical presentation, let alone Tutt's kick drum! I am in total agreement and now validated because of you guys. Thank you
Thank you, Steve!! Heck yeah, you're validated! You're awesome - and more than welcome! 😁
both great packages..the leggers always do a great job!!
Yep, they do - though it'd be nice if we could just get one package to "rule them all"... maybe someday!
Gorgeous book ! Thanks so much for showing us page by page. 🙏
You're very welcome! Yes, they did a wonderful job with it!
Great video as always.
I think that the complete mock session, the March rehearsal as well as the Buffalo rehearsal belong on the FTD label. I hope they are released complete in the future.
Matt only did the mixing on the box. It was mastered by Vic Anesini.
Thank you so much! And I agree that the complete rehearsals belong on the FTD label, it's just surprising that they chose to release as much as they did but not just keep it complete; it's too much for the general public, but not really enough for the serious audio collectors. And thank you on the Matt clarification - that might explain a few things!
And finally a good essay/liner notes by Warren Zanes. Great shows in great sound. Nice job.
Thank you, Steve! Yeah, we haven't done much talking about the liner notes on these releases.. we might have to do that at some point!
This true one great : Elvis On Tour -box set love play keep up cool video on Elvis look forword more cool thing on Elvis
Thank you, Nigel! TCB!
1:08 Awesome video and content 👌 😊
Thank you so much!!
Nice video as usual guys. I noticed the set list for the Buffalo show in the Amiga book left out Bridge Over Troubled Waters. Amiga has a nice book but the new FTD book has surpassed it for me, more photos and information. Thanks guys, I enjoy your videos.
Thank you so much! Yeah, we're definitely going to dive into the new 1972 book/CD set sometime down the line, because it's beautiful!
Another great video love how you always explain everything. I have got this box set. Like it very much. I haven’t seen the deluxe edition. Would love to have it sometime 👍🥰❤️
Thank you so much, Mildred! Glad you enjoyed it! And yes, the deluxe set is expensive now, but highly recommended!
Great video! Makes me wish I had invested in the Amiga version when it first came out. Also--don't know if you noticed, but in the original liner notes to the Sony Legacy edition, on the last page where they list the musicians, they OMITTED Ronnie Tutt's name ENTIRELY!! A lot of people on CZcams commented negatively about this, so maybe it was fixed in later editions--otherwise, it's an unforgivable oversight to leave out Elvis's longtime drummer.
Thank you! Yeah, the Amiga set is great. And thank you for mentioning that, because we didn't notice! (mostly because Audio is our main thing), but you're right, that's crazy that they left him off!
I've been watching your videos now for a while but I rarely ever post here, but it's come to my mind that you guys really
are in line with my way of thinking. You are spot on on so many things. The inconsistancy of the thinking of the FTD team, (or legacy) is quite evident. I passed on this box set because for the very reasons you state in your video, and I hadn't even seen your video yet. Your thinking and mine are aligned in this issue. This whole "listening pleasure" thing has long been used up. That road has ended. Just put out un-edited sessions so we can collect. They had the chance to make it right, and they choked. We still have a slight chance though. Since this, like Aloha, was a video project, perhaps one day in the future, we get some Blu ray box set of all 4 shows, (sound corrected), and the rehearsals, and mock session. and the same for That's the way it is. Because, I am a visual person anyway, I'd rather watch "aloha" show, or the "Richmond" show than just listen to it. My hope is we get huge deluxe bluray sets of these projects. That's our only hope for completeness to happen.
Great episode,but i couldn't believe you didn't mention the worst thing about this box set..it should be an sll bluray box, weren't all the concerts filmed! I love you guys knowledge of sound quality and editing and your passion for wanting these projects to be done right,your attention to detail is amazing!
Oops, "all Blu-ray box",not ssl😅
Oops,not sll😂
Dan, you're absolutely right! I wish they'd do that!!! And thank you so much! We love being detail nerds, lol!
As for I Got A Woman from the Hampton Roads show, there were two exact recordings, one for RCA and one for MGM (this was also the same for the soundtracks of the movies sessions). For the production of the movie, RCA did the mixing on the sound. However, I got a Woman was not recorded correctly on the RCA copy of the tape, but it was ok the MGM. So MGM wanted to use I got a woman so they needee to mix the track from their copy. When creating the legacy box set, RCA only had access to their copy of the tapes. The MGM sound identic tapes should be in their vaults. Baz Laurman that said that he had access to the footage also said recently that there was sound too. So there is were it should be the I Got a Woman correct version.
The RCA tapes do not sound like the MGM tapes at all.
@@decarlolovejoy4807 As far as I know, the MGM tapes have never been released, so we do not know if they are the same (they are not because we know the difference of I Got A Woman but nothing else)
As @decarlolovejoy4807 says, the MGM tapes don't sound like the RCA tapes, but I do agree that Turner/etc likely still have that tape. If the MGM tape could be gone back to, modern technology should be usable to get that section of Elvis's voice out and layer it on the RCA multitrack; but on some level, I'm glad we have the RCA tape as it exists (more or less).
@@decarlolovejoy4807 True - they could still be used for a composite master (better than what we have in the movie currently, imo), but yeah, the sound/tones are very different.
The interview Elvis gave Adidge and Abel apparently lasts some 2 hours.
Note that some of the dialogue heard in the movie [the opening titles Jamie humorously riffs on, for example] is not on the tape that first surfaced on bootleg 20 odd years ago.
I have the interview in Los Angeles California 7/1972 goes for 44:24. In those minutes he tells his life story. That interview comes from the CD "Elvis On Tour Interviews" from the bootleg company "Elvis One". Would love to hear the full 2 hour version, hopefully Baz has found it for his new reboot of "On Tour". Apparently Baz Lurhmann has found hours, and hours of unused "On Tour" footage. I have read where "On Tour" may run into thousands of hours of footage. I say, release it all.
Very true, Dave! I'd love to see/hear all of that interview!
@@TERRYMism Agreed, Terry! Release it all!
I really enjoyed the Sony release! Granted, it was my first and so far only experience with EOT products (aside from the actual movie, of course), so I have nothing really to compare it to.
As for the editing, I totally get where you're coming from. When I first got it, though, I thought they left too much chatter in! Lol from my perhaps ignorant perspective at the time, I thought that if I'm driving down the road, and Elvis' studio rehearsal of Johnny B. Goode came on, I'd get really into it, only for the take to stop, and I'd be waiting around for a minute or so until they reassembled themselves and performed the complete song. I thought that it killed the flow for a moment. Haha
That said, I've since grown to appreciate the chatter, as it provides a nice feel of how all of these wonderful performances were put together, as well as the tone and mood of Elvis and the band during these sessions. Although I'm not a "complete sessions" kind of person at the moment (I'd classify myself currently as a "session highlights" kind of guy), it would be nice if they put out the all of these outtakes and such in their entirety for people like you guys who love that kind of stuff.
Anyway, I always enjoy your shows, and this one was no exception! Thanks for all you do! :)
Thanks for sharing your perspective, I appreciate that! And I do agree that, on a public release, a "highlights" concept is a good idea - leaving complete rehearsals/etc is more for collector labels (I wish they'd actually do that, but that's a whole other thing.. lol) For me, the Sony set was too much for the public, but not enough for audio collectors, so it doesn't quite cater to either set properly, lol
But I'm glad you've grown to appreciate the chatter! I totally understand being more for highlights, and how some people grow into sessions over time, and some don't. I do plan to dive more into the "why" of a complete session, as I think some fans may gain insight from why we're so passionate about it.
And so glad you're enjoying the show! You're very welcome, and again - thank you for sharing!
Hey guys have you done (or could you do?) a chat on what you'd like to see go into an expanded & improved 'Elvis On Tour' film?
Hi! We haven't yet, but we certainly can!
@@EAPSociety Seems a good time to give the 'campaign' for it a boost - especially since The Beatles got the full treatment with 'Get Back'.
@Theslavedrivers Yep - that, and also since we know Baz has been looking at Elvis footage in the Turner vaults (TWII and EoT).
I was also disappointed with the sound mix of the 4 shows on the Legacy release. The only thing I can think of is the limitations of the source tapes because the work MRS did on the Vegas '72 recordings is incredible.
Hi, Brad! Maybe.. I know those tapes have limitations, but I think some of the mixing choices are just... odd.
Love those first live versions of burning love!!! Still amazes me they really had to convince Elvis to record this. And what about a session set of the march '72 sessions?
Right? I love that song, but I get where Elvis's mind was at the time. That's a huge discussion topic, too! And YES to the complete March 1972 sessions!!
Jamie, the pic you pointed to of Elvis in the Red, “Burning Love” jumpsuit was taken in Richmond, Virginia and used for the 45rpm of, what else? “Burning Love”/“It’s A Matter Of Time”. 😊
Great video, as always.
Hi Frankie always like reading your comments. You are so right with the "Burning Love/ Its A Matter of Time" 45 isn't it a great photo, sets the stage for a great 45 single I love both sides of that release. I have in front of me "The Elvis On Tour Recordings" 2020 on; (Elvis One: The Bootleg Series), "Elvis On Tour The Alternative Movie Version", "Elvis On Tour: The Complete Outtakes" (Publisher: Studio B) And the Official WB Release. I also have B/W back stage footage of Elvis talking openly and freely to Pierre Adidge & Robert Abel, quite fascinating if you've seen that footage you will know what I mean. I wish that backstage footage had an official release. Possibly it will, now that Baz Lurhmann is apparently doing a remake of "On Tour" using many hour of newly found footage not used in the 1972 release. Having written all of this, I still have not ventured to buy the "On Tour" package John and Jamie are discussing here. I am still waiting for something better from an "On Tour" release that informs most of my comments here.
I really love my copy of "Red Hot In Richmond" from Madison. Thanks for the recommendations Frankie. 😊
@@decarlolovejoy4807 You are certainly welcome my friend. Glad you enjoyed it. 😊👍
Thank you, Frankie!! And great discussion, everybody!
Amiga 1 Sony 0 great review guys , wish I’d if brought the Amiga set when it first came out as when I got it a couple of years ago it was at a much more inflated price, but as we say in England you snooze you lose
Very true, John! Hopefully a definitive set comes out someday!
So glad to see this episode! Great examination. When this came out, I was very forgiving of its shortcomings, as I was so happy it finally existed. Heck, still am. But you guys have really hit the nail on the head on many things here. My thoughts-
-The mix on the 4 concerts could absolutely be better. Are there terrible? No. But they do sound "labored over" in a way. Matt Ross Sprang does not approach the live mixing like I would - I think you need Scheff and Tutt very prominent and punchy to get a big sound. The drums are anemic here. They're not even mixed with any panning or anything, like the San Antonio 2003 mix. So they sound very small, and their level is better on some shows than others. Greensboro is the worst. The bass, well, just doesn't have that much low end. While I appreciate the guitar and piano being spread so wide in the stereo spectrum (I like wide mixes), I agree that they can be overpowering. I will give them bonus points for just leaving the Hampton "I Got a Woman" first verse alone. Trying to fix that could have sounded much worse. As for the 2003 Close Up mix - the drums sound right there (like the movie) but there's a whole lotta hiss. It doesn't bother me, but surely the masters don't have that much hiss. Sounds more like a copy would.
But I do not like the sound of the Amiga set. I heard the files of it (I don't buy bootlegs, never will) and thought they sounded really harshly EQed. Bad.
-the Rehearsals. Well, honestly I'm not too much of a completionist here - I like the mixes overall better than on the old On Tour Rehearsals disc, but there is one BIG embarrassment to my ears. What the hell is with all that echo on "Young and Beautiful"?? That's the worst mix that Ross Spang has ever done. Completely ruined it.
Overall, I appreciate this release, no doubt. I have listened to the concerts a lot, mix problems and all. It could have been worse, it could be better.
Also, do we know that MGM spliced in the I Got a Woman line from Hampton Roads? Or is the line from one of the other concerts?
@@Cpayne30 It was only performed at Hampton Roads out of the four complete multi-track recordings.
@@-dave3577 Of course! My mistake. I'm used to I Got a Woman being a given at any show, lol.
Can't stand the San Antonio mix on the Close Up set. Dry, muddy and flat. Sounds like an old boot 3rd generation copy. 🙄
@@decarlolovejoy4807 Yeah, it's a bit underwhelming but better than Spang's woeful mixes on the Sony set. Though clearly sourced from the Close Up box, the Amiga bootleg definitely improves Ferrante's San Antonio mix.
Someone should AI the missing voice part of I Got A Woman live
Flawed overall as they may be, these are still beautiful sets and a lot more than fans had previously.
That's very true - I'd say, particularly in the case of Sony, that some of these decisions are in spite of fans' wishes, which is a shame to see.
@@EAPSociety For sure
Hey Guys, wow I never cease to be amazed by the incredibly intimate knowledge you gentlemen possess about the sound of Elvis recordings, especially those that are more 'obscure' to the general public.
It is why my own recent video comparison on my channel of the 2 Elvis CD boxes was limited to the description of the contents and barely touched the subject of sound. As I said there, I'll respectfully leave & defer that to the Elvis experts (including yourselves) in CZcams land. I'd welcome your feedback about my video
😊. czcams.com/video/88mDA6bxBsg/video.htmlsi=JURvy0AFWftLKKo6
The packaging comparison between these 2 "Elvis On Tour" boxed sets is like chalk and cheese. The quality of the hardcover book in the Amiga set is breathtaking. I liken it to the HC books supplied in my recent Beatles boxed sets as well as the David Bowie "Brilliant Adventure" LP box. The closest, I guess, would be the book in the Elvis "Complete Masters" box. Yeah these sets tend to be expensive on release. But once you open them, your jaw invariably drops in marvel at the sheer high quality. The Legacy Edition booklet here (which I also own) pales by comparison.
I agree with your suggestion of giving the buyers a choice though...you can have it with or without the HC book or buy the book seperately later. I think the question is who are these boxed sets catering to? The term 'listening pleasure' I get. Do the average fans want multiple versions of the same thing? We Beatles fans feel the same frustration as you guys. Some of us complain about certain 'missed opportunities' with these releases. I suppose it's a little hard to tell what these reissue/remixed/remastered boxed sets are supposed to achieve because invariably someone WILL complain regardless of the artist. It would be helpful if record companies consulted with the fans about these reissues. After all we seem to know more about the subject than the people compiling these releases. Love your work as always guys. 😅
Hi, Peter! Thank you so much! I'm sorry I'm just seeing this now! After the May Festival weekend, we'll try to take a look!
And yeah, it's always harder for companies to cater to casual fans *and* collectors at the same time - though with Elvis, they have a collectors' label, so it's a shame to see the same types of editing done for both. It feels... lazy, I guess? And needless to edit collectors' releases, imo. That's another reason why we want to get the Society built up to a large level; if we can do that and make it very successful, we'd have the resources to officially license our own releases, and wouldn't have to rely hoping someone else does it justice. :)
Can you please tell me why there is no official streaming source for the ftd releases Definitely pay subscription to listen to them The reason why I say this is because not everybody has a cd player anymore thank you very much
The label is for die hard fans... i assume they have a cd player
Hi, Luke! The FTD releases aren't mainstream Sony, so they don't have the same distribution network that those have, being a smaller label that just does direct-to-fan type things (or at least fan-sourced channels + a few extras.)
As soon as I heard the track previews, I knew it wasn't for me [can't say I was too enthused with the cheap-looking packaging, either].
As well as the overall dull sound, too many of the musical elements are either missing or to the rear, while others are far too prominent.
That Ernst Jorgensen thought the mixes were incredible is very worrying.
I agree, Dave - I'm not sure what all was going on with this set, but it's very odd!
I hate the format of the Sony Legacy box, they should have done it in 12inch size like the 68 Special box
David, I love that idea - that would have been very cool!
Better watch your mouth son, their put a big X right over your mouth 😅 great review
Well, I guess That’s The Way It Is. 😁
LOL!! I love that! Thank you!