Breaking down the chaotic Nuggets-Celtics finish
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- čas přidán 19. 01. 2024
- The Celtics started 20-0 at home -- can some funky Denver defenses stop them? This watch along reaction film breakdown details the Nuggets weird defensive approach in this game, how Boston attacked Nikola Jokic, an unreal fake lane violation in a nail-biter.
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Jokic tricking the Celtics into invading the lane iis so funny. Donnnt thinnnk Ive ever seen that before
Probably because you’re not supposed to do it
@@nikobellic2515 It's not against the rules, basketball is not NFL. The only reason refs called it jump ball is because Jokic stepped on the line too.
It was a clear lane violation by the Celtics that was not called. Gordon should have gotten another free throw.
@@01ment Actually they called it a jump ball to hopefully bail the Celtics out. The inner white line would be considered a double lane violation. The outer line that Jokic had his toes on is not a lane violation.
Chess, not checkers bby 😎
I'm pretty sure Jokic's fake going into the lane was deliberate. He's so damn smart and creative and comes up with out-of-the-box stuff all the time. He knew he could trick them and possibly force a lane violation on the Celtics. At least he got a jump ball out of it. Pretty clever.
It was a lane violation on Jaylen Brown but the refs are always looking out for Boston.
I'm also pretty certain that it was perfectly legal and should not have been a jump ball, but rather another free throw attempt. Having them jump the ball at mid court is maybe one of the strangest decisions I've ever seen in my 35+ years of watching the NBA, and I'm almost sure they just came up with this on the spot and it definitely isn't in the rule book anywhere, nor is there anything even close to it in the rules. If anything, the jump ball should have taken place near the elbow at the Nuggets basket, not at center court.
For sure, and his situational awareness is insane💯
@@augustgreig9420 " If both teams commit a violation during this free throw, a jump ball shall be administered at midcourt between any two opponents in the game. "
what if boston commit 5 lane violations and denver 1?@@raytehbum
btw Jokic defense on the switches late game were so good. He really stopped so many dribble drives.
he might be one of the smartest defenders in the league, he doesn't have the fastest lateral movement and can't challenge shit at the basket, but he exceeds at everything else on defense
I feel like so much of his not contesting at the basket is a calculated decision too. He just cannot afford to get fouls there so he doesn't risk it. At the end of games with no foul trouble I wish he would try to block at the rim more. @@notimportant3686
How you only win by 2 when Celtics had one of there worst games of the season 😂😂
@notimportant3686 so now Jokic is one of the smartest defenders in the league?! Whatever you’re smoking, I want some smh.
@@notimportant3686was just getting baked in Phili. Boston was fumbling on their own accord.
Saw a lot of people complaining about the Celtics not attacking the basket enough, but I saw 3 plays in the last couple minutes where Tatum and Brown were extremely aggressive, but just missed their shots. Feel like we can credit the Denver defense without saying this is a scheme issue!
I feel like KP could've attacked Jokic on the close-out there on the last play. But, I get with the injuries and going left, it may no longer be in his arsenal.
@@lawbinsonthat was also some of the best defense I've ever seen from Jokic
@@aidansalerno4895 Agreed. Can be argued that he forced KP into either passing out or doing something he was uncomfortable doing.
@@lawbinson
Nah it's just Porzingis+Tatum+ Brown aren't half as high IQ as Jokic.
What about the Celtics missing so many threes in the final minutes instead of driving to the basket to do a floater or layup to tie the game.
There are 4 version of Jamal Murray.
Jamal Murray being his regular season status
Blue Arrow went he's making those turn around mid J's and playing a really crafty game, slow,methodical,precise
Glitch went he's making the wildest shots from all over the floor at full pace.
Bubble Jamal also know as "Playoff Jamal" which is the fusion between Blue Arrow and Glitch.
Which Jamal won the title then? :D
hahha "Glitch" it made me laugh,well done...
Glitch is so accurate. He casually takes and makes some of the strangest jumpers I’ve ever seen. Like a whole 15s still on the shot clock and he’s doing a half spin into a 3 in the corner while fading out of bounds and then just swishes it.
Like he takes shots casually that people throw up in desperation with 5 seconds left in a game and then it drops and he just jogs back on defense.
Blue Arrow "went", Glitch "went". What are you saying?
"when", its a misspell, poops, get the big picture first@@HUGEPoWERFULPooPS
Jokic is such a genius! This little play at the free throw attempt just goes to show it! He fakes going in and then two of the opponents rush into the lane so to box him out! Amazing! Such a pleasure to watch this guy play!
@@angelem5209 so you're saying because the refs fucked up it's jokic's fault somehow?... come on man, be better than that
@@notimportant3686refs made the right call… anyways it’s about 7am. Almost time for you to go pray to Jokic
@@notimportant3686 anyone can fake people to go in at the free throw line lol, theres a reason no one does it, and im a nuggets fan btw
@@drizzypizzman5849 first of all, i do not care about that play whatsoever... secondly, you are still WRONG... not everyone can because they WOULD if they could... that was supremely smart and strategic, you can only do it once or twice, because people will catch on and it will be a topic with the coaches... so you save it for a specific situation, LIKE JOKER DID... in a tight game, late with a free throw shooter who is likely to miss... i promise you if murray was at the line he wouldn't have wasted his ace... that's how much this guy outthinks everyone in the game
@notimportant3686 ok you don't care about this play, great, but it's literally the play we are talking about, so you've basically just told the world you're a complete moron, thanks and have a nice day
Love these kinds of games, the low scoring, grinded out ones that make it seem like any made basket is demoralizing. There was only one point scored after the 1:40 minute mark of this game!
Agreed. This is what playoffs against the Heat are like.
Boston scored once in last 4m50.
I don't know if it's just sad the way it is now, or if we should be happy with what we had at one time, but in the 90's-2000's, this was literally how the game was played and it was great. We had champs like the Pistons, and game 6 of the 98 finals was literally each team in the 80's point range while Jordan had over half of his teams points. Everything they've done to increase scoring, namely rules changes against the defense and just flat out not calling travels, carries, or walks any more has watered down the game into something unwatchable at times. And even worse it hasn't ruined statistics, as comparing stats from different eras is almost completely pointless as nowadays, slightly above-average, non-All Star players are constantly averaging 20 or more points a game, and it's become virtually meaningless. Whereas at any other time in basketball history, and especially in the 90's-00's, averaging20 or more a game meant that at the very least you were an All Star caliber player, and averaging 25 PPG would generally put you in the top 10-20 players in the league, and if you were able to do so over 5+ season while attaining other accolades and awards, or even a ring was generally enough t get your name brought up as a HoF contender.
@@augustgreig9420tbh such low is also bad and also having such high scoring games now makes these lower score ones even more entertaining if every game was like this I wouldn’t enjoy them as much
@@augustgreig9420 yea idk, have you watch those 90's games recently ? there was so much iso, and the defense wasn't really able to do anything about it because of the illegal defense rule
dont get me wrong, MJ obviously had some great games, but most of the games were just him isoing and screaming at the ref to whistle every illegal defense foul, not that fun tbh
and obviously some iso from time to time is great, I just dont think it should be the absolute go to move every f-ing possession
in my opinion that illegal defense rule change is one of the best ever, help defense is actually a thing nowadays and that's strategically quite interesting, forcing teams to actually play as teams
also, you have to take into account that the scoring was awfully low in the 90's because 6 teams were added to the league in like 7 years and the talent pool was extremely diluted, to a point where the 3pts line was actually put closer to the basket for a while to increase scoring efficiency
everyone is talking about the finales during the 90's but have you ever watch a Mavericks vs T-Wolves matchup from 94 ? you have to compare what's comparable, using one of the greatest team ever as the point of comparison for a whole era is quite dishonest intellectually
+ the 90's and early 00's are actually the odd spots of NBA history, most of the 80's had an actually faster pace than todays game, 70's and 60's were quite fast paced too and obviously the late 00's early 10's were the transition years to the playstyle we know now (small-ball, spacing, heavy emphasis on help defense and not on 1v1 defense etc..), with team like the Suns, Heat and Spurs being precursors in that regard
+ my grandfather (who was a European basketball player in the 60's) was screaming at his TV watching the 80's and 90's NBA because, from his point of view, travel and carries were not whistled, this is just some generationnal stuff, most people tend to think their era was tougher and stricter
some dude from the 1920's probably screamed at players actually dribbling the ball in the 60's
TL;DR: you have the absolute right to prefer 90's/early 00's NBA but acting like that era is the only good era of basketball is getting quite boring, a personal taste isnt the truth, and I get you, Nostalgia is one hell of a drug
The Heat Magic game last week was great. Felt like I was watching 90's basketball again.
Joker faking out two players during the free throw was genius lol
He pushed them tf you talking about
@@revan3270 lol he faked the move, they both went into him to guard the space, and just couldn't stop. He did not push them.
@@revan3270 excuses lol the Celtics got the ball back anyway on the jump ball lol
their fans seem to feel very privileged about getting the benefit of the whistle when it doesn't apply, that play by Jok was next level. He was playing chess out there. @@dimelo58
Wow Colorado blinders on here. I thought a more objective channel like TB would draw more objective fans. He clearly pushed them into the lane, there's no argument to have, just watch the replay.
4:17 that shot by jokic is brilliant. Reminded me of both Dirk and Tim.
What an amazing player, so fun to watch!
And to think this is just the beginning of Denver’s dynasty. Jokic is 28, Jamal 26, MPJ 25, AG 28, Peyton Watson 21, Christian Braun 22
They need to trade Braun for some good 3-point shooter. He is a brick city every game :D
@@xavierb9061you mean Memphis and Sacramento last year choked? Also denver in 2022 had g league roster lmao
@@xavierb9061I think that the next team is to beat is the team which is coming against.
If a team which wins 50+ games in the regular seadon, can not win against a team with less than 50 win in a playoff duel means that the number of regular season wins means nothing in the playoff.
The fun is just getting started, the OKC is arriving
@@xavierb9061Did they win a chip though? Keep h8n
How the joker toyed those 2. 😂 is epic
bro he is definitely pushing them both in the back too lmfao
He is not, they jumped by themselves
@@jubal1794he didn’t push them they tried to defend him but he faked them
@@jubal1794
That's a Celtics fans take.
Normal basketball fans think Jokic is genius af
Jokic always playing mind games
Jokic punished for being too smart at the foul line
The free throw jokic move is common in Serb bball. It’s a natural counter to the two other players being over aggressive on the free throw. With ag struggles at the line and time in the game, this is a 200 iq play.
I watched the recap earlier and thought the same thing: "Is this a finals preview?" So thanks for sharing that thought.
It's remarkable, that there are teams in nowadays NBA deciding a game on defense whereas most teams just look to outscore each other.
The teams that play defense usually win the chip
That ending by jokic is hilarious buddy out there trying new tactics at the end of a close game
Man as a Mavericks fan, that clip of Porzingis getting bullied into a fadeaway mid range jumper by a guy a foot and a half shorter than him really were like war flashbacks for me. I know he has evolved as a player since then but that used to be so many of our possessions and was very frustrating to watch.
a foot and a half shorter is a lie, reggie's 6'3, and porzingis is 7'3, it's just a foot
How did the 15 1st qt pts make u feel?
@@jimmyjay689 why are Celtics fans always such insecure babies?
@@jimmyjay689 one of the saltiest comments ive ever read lmfao. enjoy tingus pingus stinking up the court buddy.
@@johnmarkson1998He’s been playing great. Wym?
Love the watch alongs. Hoping you keep it up into the post season!
Thanks Jake -- hoping to do a few in the playoffs.
video breakdowns are usually so difficult to watch, but this format as it is is really soothing and good to follow. keep up the good work bros
Jokic looked like prime Dirk on those jumpers. Absolutely insane.
Loving Tatum’s claim as a Top 10 player in the league, but I can’t truly see him as a superstar when it feels like he ALWAYS has these inconsistent games against top (and sometimes even low) teams. His highs remain really high, but I’d prefer if the lows stop going so low before he breaches that top 5 argument.
Is the difference in impact between a top 7-10 and top 10-15 that large to where the discourse even matters
@@Handlehosyleryes
He has deficiencies in his game that are easily exploitable by a team with IQ
Yeah I agree. I like Tatum, but I swear everytime it's late game he's always bobbling the ball or making some strange decision like not running a play until its too late.
@@RoBrinks explain further
I'm a big modern NBA hater. But the old school post game from Denver and the defensive battle throughout is what I love to see
It’s clear Porzingis causes trouble for Jokic… Boston found something that they can take for a future finals matchup of needed
@@MrDiMES123 Yes, a BIG trouble, this is why he gave them 34,12, and 9 on 64% shooting.
@@minnussseriously😹 these people just talk
@@minnusspeople say things they want to hear and ignore all evidence that goes against what they want to hear. Bunch of soft, entitled people out here that hate hard truths
As a Nuggets fan, I can’t help but imagine how this game would have gone if KCP was shooting even remotely well
As a celtics fan, I can't help but imagine how this game would have gone if Tatum or Brown hadn't gone 2-17 from three.
@@peterfalkson6730 as a nuggets fan i can't help but imagine how this game would have gone is aaron gordon hadn't gone 0-6 from field
If Tatum and Brown shot even just decent they would’ve won, it goes both ways.
@@cam42704even if Tatum and Brown shot decent, Boston still has no answers for Jokic, or even Murray
Or with AG without an injury
that "kamikaze" drive by Tatum was a bad decision. 1 vs 4.
Jayson is a 6’9 guard that plays like he’s 6’3 always settling for jump shots instead of going to the rim
He went to the rim like 4, 5 times in the 4th...missed a few, no foul calls on a few
Agree. I'm like "go to the fcking basket". I must say that 4 or 5 times every game.
That’s the entire league especially in the regular season
That’s the entire league especially in the regular season
Of course, Ben's the only one in the media who actually looked up what the rule book states about Jokic's shenanigans at the free-throw line.
Also, even as an avid Jokic stan, I believe the rule has to be extended to include all players. It would just look ridiculous if players were trying to gain an advantage over the opposing players in that manner all the time.
More “shenanigans” should be called across the board
Damn the Nuggets played well can’t hate at all
Celtics had one of there worst games of the season and still only lost by 2 and held Denver to 102 pts. We ain't stressing.
@@stephyfra1243 this is such cope lol
more watch along please! Loving this format, I find it easier to follow and has a nice chill vibe to it, sorta like being in a class that you really enjoy
We need as many of these as you can put out. Elite content
This is the finals we deserve as fans. Script, make it happen pls lol.
Absolutely great review of the game. Congratz!!
Insane that the celtics only scored 2 points in the last 4 minutes
nah thats very celtics-like
Think the execution wasn't too bad but both teams just could not buy a jumper it seemed. Jokic faking the rebounding on the lane violation was hilarious.
Yup, Nuggets only had 5 as well. It was two great defensive teams and a bunch of missed shots
Fo sho, I just think it's wild that team with Jrue holiday, Jaylen Brown, Jayson Tatum, Kristaps Porzingus wasn't able to get another made field goal in 4:52 seconds
Gordon was 0-6. Imagine if he made at least 2
This video format is awesome, hope to see them more soon! Thanks!
More of these please! This was great analysis.
Love these videos. Really like the watch along!
LOVE this content! Would love breakdowns of marquee matchups going forward.
more watch alongs please, these videos are really good
Doris Burke called the game like she bet her mortgage and children's inheritance on the Celtics.
Yeah she is annoying her and doc rivers being bias all the time
loved this style of video, thank you
Porzingis getting locked up by Reggie Jackson is a damn shame...
They about the same height
embarrassing... literally just shoot. wth was he doing it's like he forgot he's a 7 footer
Reggie Jackson is HIM
thtat's a kind o defense that Jrue was doing early this season, the smaller guys just glued to the hip of the big man, making a shot over more difficult
Let's go reggieeeee!!
The only significant advantage Boston has over Denver is their 5th starter. Denver is better conditoned for their style of play to maintain effectiveness over the course of an entirety of a playoff run. People talk about if Boston hits x amount of shots means that they would have beat Denver. Thats basically conceding to the fact that Boston has not gotten better in meaningful areas compared to prior years. You are hoping that prayers fall when they can't shoot, where as Denver won with a double digit negaitve differential in transition points and poinrs from the 3 point line. Denver has an assortment of very good attacks while having an elite attack with Jokic ball, while Boston just has great all-around talent but little cohesion. That's even if Kristaps is durable enough to last long playoff runs, which is still a question mark. So yeah they can be the 65 win team when they use their plan A all the time against terrible regular season teams coming in with regular season intesity and a regular season gameplan. Against better teams in late playoff rounds its about when your plan A doesnt work and your response.
This is an excellent analysis. By position, Boston has more talent (except for Jokić and Mal), but Jokić is like an elite quarterback who makes his receivers better. When the offense flows through him, Denver has so many ways of attacking the rim and making buckets from anywhere on the court. Jok's value added apart from scoring is insane. He accounts for somewhere between 20 and 35 ppg from assists alone (which is ludicrous) and he's one of the best rebounders in the game.
@@benrobinson1841 Yup. Appreciate the feedback!
We need more of this
Love this style of video. My new favorite thing on the channel.
Excellent film study! Great job!
This was a great game to watch live, but I loved rewatching your breakdown here. You prove for casuals that this indeed is a thinking person's sport.
I’m a little bit addicted to these watch alongs and love that they cover recent games that are still fresh in the mem
Ben, more of this please!!!!
Great video, such top class insight.
appreciate this kind of late game break down. Hope to see more in the future
Fantastic breakdown. Love seeing these. Jokic and Denver so good.
Love the channel and your work ! Hello from France !
Love this type of content!
I love these types of videos . I need these more
I really like these watch-alongs!
i love these types of vids thank you
I am happy I had subscribed to such deep and clever commentaries.
What a banger video - I'll watch these all day
Always entertaining to have a good finals preview in January
I like this Ben. Should do these more
wonderful content. please keep doing it 🙏
Great video, thanks, the yt analyze goat
These breakdowns are so awesome!
These watchalongs are EXCELLENT. 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Great analytical break down--thanks!
Congratulations on the official NBA cosign. I love this channel.
love these breakdowns!
Sir, I don't really comment on videos and I've been following you for years now. I have to say that this video is coolest thing of basketball content I've seen. Please to this more.
Greeting from Estonia
This game against the Champions is exactly why I never understood why the media kept acting like Boston was “far and away” from every other team in the league.
jamal and jokic got 30 each while tatum and brown struggled. The fact that the game ended on the final possesion says a lot.
They not and it will be exposed in the playoffs
@@darrelljones3965 only 2 things beating the celtics in a 7 game series:
1. Boston Celtics
2. Heat's dark magic
LMAOOOOOOOOOOO as a celtics fan for a verrrrrry long time, this is fact. Teams don't beat us before we beat ourselves @@kyle6386
@kyle6386 imo you're correct. Nuggets fans think their team is unbeatable and it'll bite them
Personally, I want the NBA Finals between the Celtics and Nuggets to happen.
Or Celtics Minnesota after how great that game was.
I'd watch the shit out of a lot of series. I'm a Celtics fan so any series with them of course. But I'd watch the shit out of Bucks Nuggets
Personally, I’d like for the Celtics to not even get close to the finals
I really hope so. The Celtics are probably the only team that would actually give the Nuggets trouble in the finals.
Love how Joe leave his players with their own volition in the last minutes just like the playoff last year.
that's the worst part about Joe and the Celtics imo
they sure miss Udoka or wished they could have gotten Will Hardy
I'm pretty sure they called timeout w 20 secs and 4 secs to go. They had plays drawn up for two chances to tie it. Can't blame Joe for that imo
I guess you didn't watch the video that you're commenting on... Seemed like the Celtics had a deliberate plan and called set plays at key moments. They just didn't execute
@@superrookie7553 Jaylen Brown iso is not a play, my guy.
Great content please do this more often
Jokic pumpfake lane violation reminded me of him blocking the ball with his foot if he feels like it will prevent an open look.
It's a bit weird and obviously not how it's meant to be done, but it's clever not as outrageous as the stuff james harden used to do.
Love these breakdowns
keep doing these!!
This might be this year's NBA Finals, the Nuggets and Celtics.
damn... i love the breakdown
Fantastic recap TB. Thank you and as a Nuggs fan Hallelujah🎶🎤
Seeing this, it'll be tough to beat Celtics in a 7 game series if everyone performs and makes shots. They had a ton of good looks. Yeah this one got away, but over a 7 game series with that 5 to close it out, it'll be tough.
There is still a bit of concern though. The Celtics famously had the better expected field goal percentage in the heat series. The "if everyone performs and makes shots" can be a very cruel hypothetical.
Would be a damn good series no matter what. There is hypotheticals on both sides that I believe would end up being the deciding factor. If the JT or JB get one or two more 3s to drop (or JT drives 2-3 more times per game) that can tip it to Boston. If AG + KCP make more baskets it would tip it for Denver. The mid series adjustments and schemes will be interesting if this is the Finals
Not on the road.
This was a B- game from the Nuggets. Everyone outside of Jokic and Murray were sub par. Team shot 8/31 from three. AG went 0/6 from the field, Braun didn't do anything in 5 minutes, KCP had 5 points, etc. If you get the Nuggets in the playoffs it's Nuggets in 5, easy. Even if Boston has home court.
Could say the same thing about the Nuggets. Jokic missing that easy floater. MPJ wide open corner 3 miss. KCP and AG both air balled good looking 3s at the end.
I do agree that Boston will be tough to beat in 7 but so will Denver.
love these videos
Jokic pump faking to provoke a lane violation is insane))
Boston got some good looks just couldnt knock them down the Tatum missed layup, Brown missed free throws and the offensive rebounds cost Boston the game
They had a ton of good shots down the stretch.
i love this style of video
Glad we still have one more of these in Denver's house March 7th.
Getting a double technical is always beneficial to the shooting team on the last freethrow because instead of just giving the ball to the opponent or trying for a low percentage OReb they get a 50/50 jump. I would not be surprised to see more coaches and teams try this.
Great coverage and break-down, Ben. Do you have something in mind for the Kings - vs - Suns match the other day???
These are great, please keep making them for big games, stream it even? Title them something so the algorithm will promote it well. Add a date maybe... I want your channel to blow up, you deserve it man!
Jokic D wow
Ben please make more of these analyses of last minutes of games
even with your commmentating I can still hear Doris Burke cheering for the Celtics. Really bleeds green that lady
"Nooooooo!"
That's exactly how I sound when I bet on a game.
She was so annoyingly biased
That is why you can't win with Tatum and Brown. They always(ALWAYS) taking bad shots, ill-advised 3s, and chokes in the clutch.
didn't know i needed Detail: From the Mind of Thinking Basketball in my life but i think this is exactly what i needed
More of this!!!
4:19 I’ve never seen a man move the way Derrick white did
Tatum's lack of sportmanship and respect for Jokic is embarrassing. Now 3 superstars have left without shaking hands with Jokic. Lebron, Curry, and Tatum
I think you are taking this too seriously
Tatum showed respect to Jokic and Denver postgame presser they just didn't meet up postgame lol
but if he shows good sportsmanship, he "doesnt care about the loss"😂
@@cawffee-rh1lfMofo can’t win and will always find a reason to complain
ngl lebron kind of started of wave of players not shaking hands after the game. he started doing it like 2 years ago and now its so common that people dont point it out
Nothing surprising for MVP and best player in the NBA, Joker
The fact that we get this type of content for free thank you, my man
Fantastic game!
This is my favorite way to watch basketball
At 7:57 on JT helping on jokic they had a little hammer action to get the open corner three
Crazy defensive game, a finals series between these two would be amazing