This is a comparison of the HP Prime and the TI-nspire CX II CAS. In this video I cover, graphing speed, ease of use, build quality, and calculator capabilities.
TWO points that you missed. 1) The HP advanced graphing app is an IMPLICIT plotter, thus you can plot an equation in open form ( sin(x*y) = x^2 ) whereas on the TI you could never plot such a graph because it has to be in closed form ( y = ). I cannot overstate how much of a huge advantage this is over the TI. 2) Whatever person chose to put the letters and certain symbols on the the HP Prime White Keys in ORANGE should be FIRED !!! They are very hard to make out in various lighting conditions. Incidentally, I have all three ( HP Prime, Nspire CX II CAS, and the FX-CG500 ) love them all and enjoy using them.
I agree on the color of the alpha keys. One important detail is that the Prime with G2 hardware has an updated KB and the color/contrast of the orange is much better than the first gen hardware. There was also a revision of the hardware prior to G2 that improved the orange coloring on the keys, but didn't include the improved processor. The Prime in this video appears to be the improved KB, but I am not sure if it is the G2 hardware or not.
You can absolutely do implicit graphing! Just switch from function to relation and you can graph almost any relation. Extremely useful when you want to graph relations versus functions!
Awesome review. I would say I definitely prefer the HP Prime in terms of speed of processing commands, the ability to adjust the graphing window quickly with the touchscreen, and the library of built-in functions is much more robust, and I prefer the TI Nspire for its full keyboard and ease of creating functions on-the-fly. I will say that what the Prime lacks in descriptions of its error messages it makes up for with its substantial Help feature for every built-in function. For deciding on one or the other, it mostly depends on what it will be used for. The HP Prime is probably geared towards more advanced mathematics while the TI calcs seem to be made more for the high school and early college students. I wouldn't say either is particularly great for programming, since even with a full keyboard it's sort of a pain with the TI Nspire, and I prefer coding the programs on an actual PC and transferring them to the calculator, but it's basically impossible to do it with the HP Prime's lack of a keyboard. Side note: The HP Prime actually does have a partial derivatives template located under the templates key (the one located to the right of the toolbox button).
This reviewer is absolutely right in his assessment. I am an older professional mechanical engineer, and recently I thought I should better refresh my rusty maths, as well as getting familiar with these newer maths tools. I bought all three (TI nspire CAS, HP Prime G2 and Casio fx CG 500) and I can confirm that HP appears way better built than the other. I actually like the TI quite a lot, especially when with all the alpha keys you can enter directly the functions and operators easily (as well as having way more tutorials and learning materials. But the overall first impression is that long term I will focus on the HP which seems to be better built and more professional (as opposed as just a school teaching device). It is still very early stages for me, and things may change.
@Jon M, I’m in the same situation and thoughts. Although I’m recently retired I’m intrigued by and curious about the newer calculators. A long way from my old Picket Circular Slide Rule 😁 or TI SR50. From the reviews I’ve seen so far I would have thoughts similar to yours; the features you use daily would differentiate between 2 very capable calculators. The choice is so difficult I think I will buy both.
Tested the HP… it has a lot of bugs. Crashed multiple times. Also it does not support selection at all. Want to insert a division mid in the equation? It is not possible! The software of the HP feels rushed and unfinished. Also the App-Concept is pretty stupid in reality. Will checkout the nSpire now. Also, the RPN of the HP is a marketing thing. It is only availible in the numeric/home mode, but not in CAS, which makes it a useless feature for me.
@@markw208 Hi, Mark. Don't forget to consider the Ti-89 Titanium. It's still the best calculator in practice if you are not a student. Has the killer feature of always turning on instantly, rather than sometimes needing to boot.
I really like the design and functionality of non-TI calculators but it's super annoying to try to figure out how to do certain things in class when the professor is using a TI.
@@adamneulander it's basically live of best fit, done by you calculator. In a ti it's just click this go there and bam, but for the hp it's in a whole other app. Once you know how though, it's pretty easy
Thanks so much for an excellent video, which led me to purchase the HP from eBay for a reasonable price. I've owned the TI-nSpire for a number of years and it has spent most of its time collecting dust and losing charge. When I did use it, I found it to be so cumbersome. I spent some time following a tutorial to learn the features and found the overall human factors engineering was terrible. I'm delighted to come across this HP prime comparison video, which shows how easy the HP is to use. I was shocked to see how much slower the TI is than the HP. Just for curiosity sake, I programmed that summation into a few lines of BASIC in my own written BASIC interpreter. I designed and programmed the expression evaluator, which, internally uses RPN. The interpreter executes many lines of C code for the operation. I am pleased to say that that same perceived speed on the interpreter is instantaneous. Of course, I am using it on a fairly new PC. One of the most difficult things to do on the TI is to scale a graph down to see more of it. The use of the visual hand grabber is a challenge.
Excellent review! Thanks for sharing. Over 30 years of being a teacher at a University in Mexico, I had been using TI for over 15 years, after HP almost leave this market (I used de HP 48 and 49 at the beginning of the 90s) and I was very happy with TI (I am retired now). I really liked the use of documents, the sheet classes, the programming style, the primitive functions about probability distributions, the inclusion of LUA and now Python programs, the emulator software, and the easy way to share documents (some of my students make documents for each homework or exam). The "solve" command in TI surprised me when I was looking for a limit in a definite integral in an arc length formula. And maybe the most important thing is the TI community, which is very active in some countries, particularly in Australia. I really hope HP company will think the CAS calculator market at the college level is important. Again. Thanks!!
I’ve always used the Texas Instrument calculators and never considered anything else but this video has me second guessing my loyalty! Right now I have lots of programs and tools built around TIs but I have lots to consider! Thanks for the comparison!
Nice comparison! I was surprised by this iteration in the Texas Instruments line-up. The processor speed variance is significant and the touch screen and resolution of the HP looked way better. The document system in the TI appears to be very "clunky". A few things you didn't touch on was the pc/computer interface between the calculators, what programming languages (python is currently supported on the TI as opposed to the HP's Prime Programming Language (PPL)) each calculator supports and any accessories or add-on each have which you could do in a later video or update this one and how those things might affect a person's decision.
Thanks so much! I went through college with my TI89 (before Titanium) and I loved it. Now I need a new calculator, and I've been leaning hard towards the TI-nspire, but not anymore.
Really nice and precise review. Did a great job comparing displays for example, that the one one in TI sits much higher. Even Smart Phone reviewers don't put that much effort and precision about things like that. The math functions comparing was also good.
I checked a couple of the other reviews and yours is by far the best, thanks for touching on hardware and build issues. Seems the TI supports Python scripting but given how underpowered it is, I’m not going to hold my breath. Ordered the HP. Thanks!
@@ElissaLee1 Sometimes you want to have a "routine" or algorithm that you keep repeating over and over again transformed into a program so you can call it with just a few key presses. But the HP Prime also supports micropython which is pretty much python anyways, so I don't think TI would be better just because of that. I would like the calculator to support C and Assembly though.
Really like this review! I honestly feel like a good graphing calculator should have most used dedicated keys for trig functions, logs, exponents, etc available without being forced to look for them in sub menus ...I have been using my old HS calculator TI 83 Plus but am really impressed by HP Prime! The ability to just punch on the screen to zoom on the graph....wow!
It has trouble solving simultaneous equations. The solver app apparently needs guesses to start with or it will fail. Otherwise you have to do it all in text mode from what works like a command prompt. Very annoy, and I gave up after an your of clunking aroudn with it. It's a shame because otherwise it's better in every way.
Well you can create documents with HP Prime. It is just that they do not call it document. In the Apps menu there is a Save button which is in my opinion the exact same function as documents.
Nice comparison. I used to be an avid HP48 user through college. I didn't do enough research and just bought the Nspire CX II CAS. I agree with you on all points. I hate going thru menus and 2nd order keys for EE, etc. Keys are tiny and cheap feeling. It's an extremely capable device, but all your points are exactly what I missed about my old HPs. The old HPs were SO SLOW...even for the day. But the input and so fast and well laid oout. I may cut my losses and get the HP and give this to my son.
I am also a professional and needed a calculator that didn't involve more computer use, more versatile, so I chose the ti nspire. Definitely not disappointed. I bet the HP is good as well.
Good video. I'm not sure if you notice the slightly different results in the sum calculations between the HP and TI starting at 7min. 20sec. mark. The 4th decimal place and onwards are different for HP and TI. I'm curious to know if you would write a simple program to independently verify the value using double-precision or quad-precision calculations. Thank you.
Great comparison! I would add that when it comes to doing any matrix operations, the HP beats the snot out of the TI. The toolbox on the top row gives you access to all of it.
Great review many thx. Pls can you help. I am considering buying the ti cx2 cas but am held back by what i understand to be the only way to enter x, y, and z as variables. The ti famously has a full a to z keyboard below the central number keys. Ok some want that freedom of direct entry. But v heavily we are con erned only with the entry of a single letter as a variable, that is x, and possibly a y or z as a second. But the only placement of the x y z keys I see is at the extreme bottom of the keyboard. Would that not mean that as numbers are entered into the display the hand must make a jump of three inches down to select with difficulty the often needed x letter to input into the screen? Pls is there a another x key close close to the central number keys or another fluid way of inputting an x variable? Good day and thank you.
I had my first HP calculator 47 years ago - the predecessor to the HP45. That calculator was a basic scientific calculator that used HPs RPN notation. It used the same keys as the current Prime and lasted many years. I upgraded to the programmable HP29C and eventually to the HP41CX. All were great for their time. I am currently using the TI84 because I work with high school math students, who use the TI -- but I certainly prefer the HP platforms. I wasn't aware of the CAS and will look into it. I have currently been using Mathematica online - which obviously has much more computational capabilities.
Thanks for your amazing explanation. I was confused on what to pick, but of what you've illustrated, HP Prime is much better, I wonder if we can compare HP Prime vs Casio fx-CG500. But really thanks a lot for your video.
Tough choice, personally I like the physical key layout on the TI (lettered keys). If you every had to translate real world functions into a calc it is way easier to use the actual variable starting initial than have to back translate x, y, z, t variables for respectively a kv value or delta P, etc. Torn. Yes you can do that with the Prime, Rs and other letters, but the TI has is down for high level work. Note: the trig button is way better like this, having the ti-89, you are always looking for the dedicated sine, etc button this has it in one place. Personally, this is way better thought out in terms of layout.
My first HP was the 15c and I loved that lil bugger. I’ve always loved HP calculators, however, I have used other brands as well and I have enjoyed them too.
Been using HP, TI, and Casio forever and recently picked up a used nSpire for fun. It is definitely a classroom tool. Annoyingly so. I don't think anyone outside of acedamia would prefer it over the HP.
How would someone do a function like say...input a formula into a column to apply into the next column. for example D2=D2^2 to make it actually calculate without giving an error message in 1 var stats?
Can the HP prime save long calculation files or test calculations for later use or editing? I think if he doesn't, it would be a great weakness against Texas.
The original clickpad nspire had the alphabet keys in between the normal number keys but they do stick out further than the normal keys which creates accidental keypresses but sin cos and tan have their own dedicated buttons and the number keys feel in a much more natural place. Also the normal keys have this cool shape because of the alphabet keys in between
Also the Dpad was a cirle that acted like a normal Dpad as oppose to this weird trackpad nonsense they have now. Really hate how they removed swappable controls in the new Nspire.
if you have time could you make a video for the HP Prime covering the Solv functionality? It does not seem to be consistent. For example, xTheta will provide a "a" or and "x", I would like to think it is the difference between CAS and Non CAS mode but I have seen an "x" appear in both modes. It just seems quite finicky compared to the TI NSpire which does a really good job of solving whatever you enter due to it's "AUTO" mode of operation switching between CAS and Non CAS operations on the fly. And why can you be in solve app then enter a solv function, modes of solv operations is confusing. Thoughts?
I have the Ti89 for 16 years and never had a problem and the keys wobbles since 1st day. You can have some keys that never wobbles and can stop working after a while. The question one should ask is ….. will it last ?
Most important thing as someone who got his electrical engineering degree in ‘89 ( think HP41CX and after working a bit, the HP 48GX, my personal favorite), the HP does RPN, a must!!
If you think that navigating through the menus is annoying (TI), for example if you need the SIN function, you can always type "sin" with the extended keyboard... That's why there's a keyboard and a sin button is not available...
Does the HP Prime Graphing Calculator Ii have features for Differential Equations ,Linear Algebra, Physics, Electrical and Mechanical Engineering. PS you have a great presentation
I have both a Prime and an nspire, and have barely used the TI. My experiences with them mirror Math Class Calculator's. I do like my Prime, my favorite calculator yet, and I have some dating back to 1981 (HP 11C).
I had to get the cas ii cas because I got so used to the keypad layout with the abc keyboard. (You can use ctrl + a to select all, ctrl + c to copy, ctrl + v to paste) I also have a hp prime graphing calculator. I'm probably going to be using that one for graphs and the cas for functions and the cas part since I am so used to the layout because of the first one
Thanks!! I love this comparison... Can you compare a symbolic definite integral, like $\int_0^\infty e^{-x^2} dx$, in both calculator? I think HP Prime is superior to TI nspire here... (I apologize for my english, it's not my native language)
I just run the sum in Maxima and appears to agree with the ti's result. Can anyone confirm if that is the more accura result using any other software? I don't have easy access to anything else at the moment.
15:15 I have both and holy crap that is the first thing that drove me crazy on the nspire! On the TI-89 you just hit the 2nd or diamond key and then the trig function you want on the either y, z, or t. Why did they change it?
I'll agree with you mostly, and the Prime is looking really good, BUT. The last bit about the keyboard. That entirely depends. Not all users want/have to use trig functions every single day, or that often at all, but may use the calculator extensively for programming (and/or note taking). Programming or taking notes on a standard calculator keyboard is agony. Menus are another choice some makers use for things, but I think the TI's solution of single button with quick menu is the best. Dedicated buttons take too much space and reserve spots from other functions that could be used instead. I much prefer the TI's one-button-menu for functions grouped together - HP could've done this even better with their touch screen capability. Click a button and tap screen. It's only a fraction of a second slower than dedicated button, uses way fewer buttons (thus releasing space for other things). I really hope HP would come out with a "Prime II" model that had full keyboard, touchscreen and dedicated group buttons instead of individual. TI can go cry in a corner with their touchpad though, I hate it. Even the clickwheel of the old nSpire was better. The HP is so much better in almost every other way, but with it's "this is the way calculators looked in the 1960s" keyboard it's missing quite a lot of potential, in my opinion.
@@jayballauer8353 Probably to make it possible to use in more scenarios. Most tests (in my country at least) disallow students to use a calculator with a QWERTY keyboard.
I had an HP48G back in the day. Everything was done in 'reverse polish'. Eg. 100/2=5 was done by entering 100 2 divide. Is this the method of operation for the HP Prime?
At 13:30 - i type it in WITHOUT the multiplication sign on my hp prime and it replaces it just like the Nspire. Maybe you need a FW update? I have SW 2.1.14603 (2021 12 02), HW version D, CAS version 1.5.0, OS V2.060.650
The t version is "test" version. Some features are disabled to be allowed for tests in the us. Thats what i have gathered. And it looks pretty with red.
AFAIK CAS can be disabled in the TI, otherwise it wouldn't be certified for certain tests, you probably have to go through some menus to do that. As per the keyboard well this is more like an all-round Calculator, a whole ecosystem for STEM which includes programming for which a full keyboard can come in handy. Anyway it was a great review maybe the HP is better for field trips where you just need the calculation ASAP and not just the other features, maybe they can complement each other.
I have no experience with graphing calculators, but I just finished a year of multivariable (vector) calculus and would like to know if I can use the HP Prime for multivariable calculus graphing? 3D graphing of solids and 2 D surfaces and vector equations? I would think these would be no problem, but don't know. For example, a plane intersecting a cylinder?
You can graph all those things on the HP Prime but that’s about all you can do. You can’t do anything like calculate intersects or find maximums or minimums. Pretty much all it’s good for is looking at the picture which you can move around with the touchscreen.
Don't know about 3D but in the geometry app you can draw almost any 2 dimensional figure and there are loads and loads of both numeric and symbolic functions and you can calculate almost anything. Learning how to use them is a bit iffy but there is some built in help. With some perseverance you will find it an amazing tool and quite fast.
The HP seems the clear winner although I prefer the font & display layout of the TI. HP just needs a "prettyfy" routine to make expressions look nicer (e.g. italic letters for variables) like Casio does.
Any thoughts on the programming capabilites of the two calculators? Programming is what I have the most fun with on calculators, and from what I see on the ti website, it looks as if the Nspire will be getting an addition of Python to its software. If the Nspire really is getting un-nerfed Python I think it would out-do the prime by a long shot (in programming that is).
Funny how HP Prime feels like a modern competitor to the Nspire while taking some design ques from the Ti-8x calculators via the buttons. Best of Both worlds in one. I wonder if HP Prime has a Word Processor like how the Nspire has. (Better question is why Nspire even has Word Processor and Spreadsheets)
A lot of people wonder what even is the point but I love having a word processor on my calculator. It's fantastic for storing notes and some exams don't even require exam mode (at least here in the UK) so you don't even have to learn certain stuff when you can just put it on your calculator.
I think he's using a G2. In the App menu, there's the 3d graphing app, which was not available (I mean it was not installed at the moment of purchase) for the V2
@@peocaveo It may be that I did an online update (poor memory on my part). For reference purposes my Software Version is 2.1.14181 (2018 10 16). CAS Version 1.4.9. Operating System V0.050.640. Also, I bought it from Amazon.com in May 2018. Anyway, good luck to you.
First off, I’m going to say that I have a ti 84 plus ce, which is what all my teachers and other told me to get (it was pretty much required). I’m taking ap stats and about to start calc C (the rest of calculus that would have been taught in ap calc bc [I took ab]) and once I’m finished starting multivariable calculus and then differential equations, discrete, linear algebra, topology, proofs, etc. Which of these calculators would be better for this? From what it looks like, graphing and the computational speed are better on the hp prime is better but the cas function, apps, programming, and overal layout of the keys is better on the nspire. Price isn’t a factor here. Can anyone help me?? I am a freshman in high school at the time of writing
@@JxckSweeney a year late but you can turn off CAS yourself or if your teacher has a Nspire or Nspire software on their computer, they can put your one in Test Mode and choose what functions to disable (CAS, isPrime, etc).
The perfect calculator would be a combination of the best features of both. That is why understand when some people wrote they'd buy both. It had been great if CASIO fx-CG500 had been included in the comparison.
Why am I watching a calculator speed test
I should be doing homework
Well you'll get your homework done way faster with a CAS
@@Chillingworth even faster with HP Prime
Same here. I'm thinking of shelling out the coin. I have to be certain.
Lol 😆
TWO points that you missed. 1) The HP advanced graphing app is an IMPLICIT plotter, thus you can plot an equation in open form ( sin(x*y) = x^2 ) whereas on the TI you could never plot such a graph because it has to be in closed form ( y = ). I cannot overstate how much of a huge advantage this is over the TI. 2) Whatever person chose to put the letters and certain symbols on the the HP Prime White Keys in ORANGE should be FIRED !!! They are very hard to make out in various lighting conditions. Incidentally, I have all three ( HP Prime, Nspire CX II CAS, and the FX-CG500 ) love them all and enjoy using them.
I agree on the color of the alpha keys. One important detail is that the Prime with G2 hardware has an updated KB and the color/contrast of the orange is much better than the first gen hardware. There was also a revision of the hardware prior to G2 that improved the orange coloring on the keys, but didn't include the improved processor. The Prime in this video appears to be the improved KB, but I am not sure if it is the G2 hardware or not.
You can do implicit graphing on the Ti. You just need to click on the escape key when you create a new function.
You can absolutely do implicit graphing! Just switch from function to relation and you can graph almost any relation. Extremely useful when you want to graph relations versus functions!
Man you don't know the pressure I'm in. Can I please have one and I'm in Swaziland🇸🇿😭😭
Which one would you recommend from these three?
I really like that you are covering a niche topic, and doing so thoroughly and in depth. Your review really has a lot of substance.
Awesome review. I would say I definitely prefer the HP Prime in terms of speed of processing commands, the ability to adjust the graphing window quickly with the touchscreen, and the library of built-in functions is much more robust, and I prefer the TI Nspire for its full keyboard and ease of creating functions on-the-fly. I will say that what the Prime lacks in descriptions of its error messages it makes up for with its substantial Help feature for every built-in function. For deciding on one or the other, it mostly depends on what it will be used for. The HP Prime is probably geared towards more advanced mathematics while the TI calcs seem to be made more for the high school and early college students. I wouldn't say either is particularly great for programming, since even with a full keyboard it's sort of a pain with the TI Nspire, and I prefer coding the programs on an actual PC and transferring them to the calculator, but it's basically impossible to do it with the HP Prime's lack of a keyboard.
Side note: The HP Prime actually does have a partial derivatives template located under the templates key (the one located to the right of the toolbox button).
This reviewer is absolutely right in his assessment. I am an older professional mechanical engineer, and recently I thought I should better refresh my rusty maths, as well as getting familiar with these newer maths tools. I bought all three (TI nspire CAS, HP Prime G2 and Casio fx CG 500) and I can confirm that HP appears way better built than the other. I actually like the TI quite a lot, especially when with all the alpha keys you can enter directly the functions and operators easily (as well as having way more tutorials and learning materials. But the overall first impression is that long term I will focus on the HP which seems to be better built and more professional (as opposed as just a school teaching device). It is still very early stages for me, and things may change.
ik its 11 months ago but what would u recommend
and today which one you prefer ?
@Jon M, I’m in the same situation and thoughts. Although I’m recently retired I’m intrigued by and curious about the newer calculators. A long way from my old Picket Circular Slide Rule 😁 or TI SR50. From the reviews I’ve seen so far I would have thoughts similar to yours; the features you use daily would differentiate between 2 very capable calculators. The choice is so difficult I think I will buy both.
Tested the HP… it has a lot of bugs. Crashed multiple times.
Also it does not support selection at all. Want to insert a division mid in the equation? It is not possible!
The software of the HP feels rushed and unfinished. Also the App-Concept is pretty stupid in reality. Will checkout the nSpire now.
Also, the RPN of the HP is a marketing thing. It is only availible in the numeric/home mode, but not in CAS, which makes it a useless feature for me.
@@markw208 Hi, Mark. Don't forget to consider the Ti-89 Titanium. It's still the best calculator in practice if you are not a student. Has the killer feature of always turning on instantly, rather than sometimes needing to boot.
Very nice video, I had a similar opinion when I reviewed the HP Prime G2 myself! The production quality looks great, keep it up!
I just came from your video. Very well done!
I really like the design and functionality of non-TI calculators but it's super annoying to try to figure out how to do certain things in class when the professor is using a TI.
duuuuuuuuudeeeeeeeeeeeeee. I'm in algebra II honors and we're doing linear regression stuff, and I can't find out how the hell to do it with my HP :[
@@thatoneguy7618 Yeah I love my HP Prime
@@thatoneguy7618 wtf is linear regression im in pre calc honors 😭
@@adamneulander it's basically live of best fit, done by you calculator. In a ti it's just click this go there and bam, but for the hp it's in a whole other app. Once you know how though, it's pretty easy
@@thatoneguy7618 your doing linear regression in algebra 2?? For me, I just started doing linear regression in ap stats which I took last year
Thanks so much for an excellent video, which led me to purchase the HP from eBay for a reasonable price. I've owned the TI-nSpire for a number of years and it has spent most of its time collecting dust and losing charge. When I did use it, I found it to be so cumbersome. I spent some time following a tutorial to learn the features and found the overall human factors engineering was terrible. I'm delighted to come across this HP prime comparison video, which shows how easy the HP is to use. I was shocked to see how much slower the TI is than the HP. Just for curiosity sake, I programmed that summation into a few lines of BASIC in my own written BASIC interpreter. I designed and programmed the expression evaluator, which, internally uses RPN. The interpreter executes many lines of C code for the operation. I am pleased to say that that same perceived speed on the interpreter is instantaneous. Of course, I am using it on a fairly new PC. One of the most difficult things to do on the TI is to scale a graph down to see more of it. The use of the visual hand grabber is a challenge.
This was a very helpful comparison. I have always thought HP was better built than TI and you confirmed my belief. Thanks.
Excellent review! Thanks for sharing. Over 30 years of being a teacher at a University in Mexico, I had been using TI for over 15 years, after HP almost leave this market (I used de HP 48 and 49 at the beginning of the 90s) and I was very happy with TI (I am retired now). I really liked the use of documents, the sheet classes, the programming style, the primitive functions about probability distributions, the inclusion of LUA and now Python programs, the emulator software, and the easy way to share documents (some of my students make documents for each homework or exam). The "solve" command in TI surprised me when I was looking for a limit in a definite integral in an arc length formula. And maybe the most important thing is the TI community, which is very active in some countries, particularly in Australia. I really hope HP company will think the CAS calculator market at the college level is important. Again. Thanks!!
Hola disculpe, podrias ayudarme? Tengo una duda con las calculadoras
I’ve always used the Texas Instrument calculators and never considered anything else but this video has me second guessing my loyalty! Right now I have lots of programs and tools built around TIs but I have lots to consider! Thanks for the comparison!
Nice comparison! I was surprised by this iteration in the Texas Instruments line-up. The processor speed variance is significant and the touch screen and resolution of the HP looked way better. The document system in the TI appears to be very "clunky". A few things you didn't touch on was the pc/computer interface between the calculators, what programming languages (python is currently supported on the TI as opposed to the HP's Prime Programming Language (PPL)) each calculator supports and any accessories or add-on each have which you could do in a later video or update this one and how those things might affect a person's decision.
Thanks so much! I went through college with my TI89 (before Titanium) and I loved it. Now I need a new calculator, and I've been leaning hard towards the TI-nspire, but not anymore.
Really nice and precise review.
Did a great job comparing displays for example, that the one one in TI sits much higher. Even Smart Phone reviewers don't put that much effort and precision about things like that. The math functions comparing was also good.
Very useful comparison, thank you. These models are significantly faster than the Casio fx-9860GII that I use.
I checked a couple of the other reviews and yours is by far the best, thanks for touching on hardware and build issues. Seems the TI supports Python scripting but given how underpowered it is, I’m not going to hold my breath. Ordered the HP. Thanks!
@@ElissaLee1 Sometimes you want to have a "routine" or algorithm that you keep repeating over and over again transformed into a program so you can call it with just a few key presses. But the HP Prime also supports micropython which is pretty much python anyways, so I don't think TI would be better just because of that.
I would like the calculator to support C and Assembly though.
Really like this review! I honestly feel like a good graphing calculator should have most used dedicated keys for trig functions, logs, exponents, etc available without being forced to look for them in sub menus ...I have been using my old HS calculator TI 83 Plus but am really impressed by HP Prime! The ability to just punch on the screen to zoom on the graph....wow!
That review nails it for me. I was seriously considering buying one other the other but the HP is a clear winner.
It has trouble solving simultaneous equations. The solver app apparently needs guesses to start with or it will fail. Otherwise you have to do it all in text mode from what works like a command prompt. Very annoy, and I gave up after an your of clunking aroudn with it. It's a shame because otherwise it's better in every way.
@@VeritasEtAequitas ty for this comment i was convinced that the hp prime is bettsr in every way until your comment
@@_Cfocus Don't use the app for solving it's not good use solve() for algebraic solution and fsolve() for numerical solution ,it can solve ...
Well you can create documents with HP Prime. It is just that they do not call it document. In the Apps menu there is a Save button which is in my opinion the exact same function as documents.
nice video. going to get the HP. had one in college in the 90's and miss it!
Thank you. Great video clip.
Nice comparison. I used to be an avid HP48 user through college. I didn't do enough research and just bought the Nspire CX II CAS. I agree with you on all points. I hate going thru menus and 2nd order keys for EE, etc. Keys are tiny and cheap feeling. It's an extremely capable device, but all your points are exactly what I missed about my old HPs. The old HPs were SO SLOW...even for the day. But the input and so fast and well laid oout. I may cut my losses and get the HP and give this to my son.
Awesome comparison! Great video!
Thanks for the Review man. It was very helpful.
Just a note. I think that is brushed aluminum on the front of the Prime, not all plastic. ;-)
@Alexander Bouchard Magnets do not attract aluminum, only ferromagnetic materials like iron, steel, nickel, cobalt, etc
A superb, insightful review, many thanks!
Are you planning on really detailed HP Prime vs Casio fx-cg50? That kind of video is really rare.....
cg50 is too far behind nspire, not to say hp prime.
I am also a professional and needed a calculator that didn't involve more computer use, more versatile, so I chose the ti nspire. Definitely not disappointed. I bet the HP is good as well.
Good video.
I'm not sure if you notice the slightly different results in the sum calculations between the HP and TI starting at 7min. 20sec. mark. The 4th decimal place and onwards are different for HP and TI.
I'm curious to know if you would write a simple program to independently verify the value using double-precision or quad-precision calculations.
Thank you.
Great comparison! I would add that when it comes to doing any matrix operations, the HP beats the snot out of the TI. The toolbox on the top row gives you access to all of it.
Nice comparison!
Great review many thx. Pls can you help. I am considering buying the ti cx2 cas but am held back by what i understand to be the only way to enter x, y, and z as variables. The ti famously has a full a to z keyboard below the central number keys. Ok some want that freedom of direct entry. But v heavily we are con erned only with the entry of a single letter as a variable, that is x, and possibly a y or z as a second. But the only placement of the x y z keys I see is at the extreme bottom of the keyboard. Would that not mean that as numbers are entered into the display the hand must make a jump of three inches down to select with difficulty the often needed x letter to input into the screen? Pls is there a another x key close close to the central number keys or another fluid way of inputting an x variable? Good day and thank you.
Excellent comparison, and good reasons for using the hp .
Now I know to save a few bucks and go with the HP Prime G2 instead of the Nspire CX2 CAS.
thanks - clear explanation of the differences
Can I programme any function or a set of instructions in HP Prime?
I had my first HP calculator 47 years ago - the predecessor to the HP45. That calculator was a basic scientific calculator that used HPs RPN notation. It used the same keys as the current Prime and lasted many years. I upgraded to the programmable HP29C and eventually to the HP41CX. All were great for their time.
I am currently using the TI84 because I work with high school math students, who use the TI -- but I certainly prefer the HP platforms.
I wasn't aware of the CAS and will look into it. I have currently been using Mathematica online - which obviously has much more computational capabilities.
Yeah! Like Jean Edouard I am asking : what about the g2 ?
Thanks for your amazing explanation. I was confused on what to pick, but of what you've illustrated, HP Prime is much better, I wonder if we can compare HP Prime vs Casio fx-CG500. But really thanks a lot for your video.
This video actually helped pick the calculator I'm going to use for high school, HP prime all the way!
HP PRIME 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Tough choice, personally I like the physical key layout on the TI (lettered keys). If you every had to translate real world functions into a calc it is way easier to use the actual variable starting initial than have to back translate x, y, z, t variables for respectively a kv value or delta P, etc. Torn. Yes you can do that with the Prime, Rs and other letters, but the TI has is down for high level work. Note: the trig button is way better like this, having the ti-89, you are always looking for the dedicated sine, etc button this has it in one place. Personally, this is way better thought out in terms of layout.
My first HP was the 15c and I loved that lil bugger. I’ve always loved HP calculators, however, I have used other brands as well and I have enjoyed them too.
My HP 15c is still going strong even after 40 years. Good luck with yours.
Been using HP, TI, and Casio forever and recently picked up a used nSpire for fun. It is definitely a classroom tool. Annoyingly so. I don't think anyone outside of acedamia would prefer it over the HP.
in what sense?
How would someone do a function like say...input a formula into a column to apply into the next column. for example D2=D2^2 to make it actually calculate without giving an error message in 1 var stats?
Can the HP prime save long calculation files or test calculations for later use or editing? I think if he doesn't, it would be a great weakness against Texas.
I want to get one of these just to make my basic Algebra and Electronics classes more entertaining and fun.
good,,, pls suggest which machine can do indefinite triple integrals
The original clickpad nspire had the alphabet keys in between the normal number keys but they do stick out further than the normal keys which creates accidental keypresses but sin cos and tan have their own dedicated buttons and the number keys feel in a much more natural place. Also the normal keys have this cool shape because of the alphabet keys in between
Also the Dpad was a cirle that acted like a normal Dpad as oppose to this weird trackpad nonsense they have now.
Really hate how they removed swappable controls in the new Nspire.
Should it have a slide rule mode ? In case verification needed on complex function
if you have time could you make a video for the HP Prime covering the Solv functionality? It does not seem to be consistent. For example, xTheta will provide a "a" or and "x", I would like to think it is the difference between CAS and Non CAS mode but I have seen an "x" appear in both modes. It just seems quite finicky compared to the TI NSpire which does a really good job of solving whatever you enter due to it's "AUTO" mode of operation switching between CAS and Non CAS operations on the fly. And why can you be in solve app then enter a solv function, modes of solv operations is confusing. Thoughts?
1:09 “rockage”
For the developing of engineering apps what would you suggest?
I have the Ti89 for 16 years and never had a problem and the keys wobbles since 1st day.
You can have some keys that never wobbles and can stop working after a while.
The question one should ask is ….. will it last ?
Most important thing as someone who got his electrical engineering degree in ‘89 ( think HP41CX and after working a bit, the HP 48GX, my personal favorite), the HP does RPN, a must!!
I was also thinking about these two products, and I think it helped a lot. Maybe I should decide on hp. Do you still think hp is better?
If you think that navigating through the menus is annoying (TI), for example if you need the SIN function, you can always type "sin" with the extended keyboard... That's why there's a keyboard and a sin button is not available...
But typing in takes a littl longer than hitting a button, that's what he meant.
Very good work. Thank you.
Is this the HP Prime G2 version that you have?
Great review!
Casio fx-CG500 vs HP Prime, which one is the best?
I just tried your sum benchmark on several other calculators. Both of your calculators are blazing fast in comparison. :D
Does the HP Prime Graphing Calculator Ii have features for Differential Equations ,Linear Algebra, Physics, Electrical and Mechanical Engineering. PS you have a great presentation
The calc test @5:58 took 16.57918 minutes on my HP 48G. (time corrected)
can you do a video on python comparison between these 2?
How about HP Prime vs Casio fx CG50 ?
I watched the whole review and my calculator is yet to determine the result of the first summation.
My HP-48 would be at the same stage!
Do the calculators give you the procedure of mathematical operations?
I have both a Prime and an nspire, and have barely used the TI. My experiences with them mirror Math Class Calculator's. I do like my Prime, my favorite calculator yet, and I have some dating back to 1981 (HP 11C).
There's an identical apk version of it.
Please do a comparison on HP Prime and Casio fx-CG500
theres a fx-CG500???
@@samuelroman2642 yep
Did they stop making the HP prime? For some reason there aren’t many sellers selling it new and the price is up around $130
How do you access the periodic table on the HP Prime ?
Useful! Thanks.
Its there a handheld calculator that does show the steps?
what is your opinion on Casio 991-EX ?
7:39 which one gives the right answer? They are different.
I had to get the cas ii cas because I got so used to the keypad layout with the abc keyboard. (You can use ctrl + a to select all, ctrl + c to copy, ctrl + v to paste) I also have a hp prime graphing calculator. I'm probably going to be using that one for graphs and the cas for functions and the cas part since I am so used to the layout because of the first one
Thanks!! I love this comparison...
Can you compare a symbolic definite integral, like $\int_0^\infty e^{-x^2} dx$, in both calculator?
I think HP Prime is superior to TI nspire here...
(I apologize for my english, it's not my native language)
As a Native English speaker, your English is better than half the kids’ at my school.
I just run the sum in Maxima and appears to agree with the ti's result. Can anyone confirm if that is the more accura result using any other software? I don't have easy access to anything else at the moment.
15:15 I have both and holy crap that is the first thing that drove me crazy on the nspire! On the TI-89 you just hit the 2nd or diamond key and then the trig function you want on the either y, z, or t. Why did they change it?
realy angry!
Thanks!
很好的视频，你让我放弃了购买TI，本来我还以为贵一点会好一点
Thanks
Is the hp prime g2 or g1? I found a g1 with cheap price. Should i buy it or cx inspire ii non-cas?
if you can buy the g2 go for it. its supposed to be like 3-5x faster or something like that and has a quite a bit more memory
I'll agree with you mostly, and the Prime is looking really good, BUT. The last bit about the keyboard. That entirely depends. Not all users want/have to use trig functions every single day, or that often at all, but may use the calculator extensively for programming (and/or note taking). Programming or taking notes on a standard calculator keyboard is agony.
Menus are another choice some makers use for things, but I think the TI's solution of single button with quick menu is the best. Dedicated buttons take too much space and reserve spots from other functions that could be used instead. I much prefer the TI's one-button-menu for functions grouped together - HP could've done this even better with their touch screen capability. Click a button and tap screen. It's only a fraction of a second slower than dedicated button, uses way fewer buttons (thus releasing space for other things).
I really hope HP would come out with a "Prime II" model that had full keyboard, touchscreen and dedicated group buttons instead of individual.
TI can go cry in a corner with their touchpad though, I hate it. Even the clickwheel of the old nSpire was better.
The HP is so much better in almost every other way, but with it's "this is the way calculators looked in the 1960s" keyboard it's missing quite a lot of potential, in my opinion.
You can program buttons on hp prime to your liking
I think most people code on their computer and transfer the program to the calculator.
Then why not make the keyboard qwerty? I find the keyboard a real struggle to use.
@@jayballauer8353 Probably to make it possible to use in more scenarios. Most tests (in my country at least) disallow students to use a calculator with a QWERTY keyboard.
My first calculator was in the mid 70's a sears electronic slide rule with 40 functions and a memory! all for only 80 mid 70's dollars.
I had an HP48G back in the day. Everything was done in 'reverse polish'. Eg. 100/2=5 was done by entering 100 2 divide. Is this the method of operation for the HP Prime?
Yes, you can put the HP Prime in RPN mode on the main calculation screen.
@@MathClassCalculator Thanks! Mine should be here tomorrow. ;)
At 13:30 - i type it in WITHOUT the multiplication sign on my hp prime and it replaces it just like the Nspire.
Maybe you need a FW update? I have SW 2.1.14603 (2021 12 02), HW version D, CAS version 1.5.0, OS V2.060.650
What is the main difference between TI-nspire cx ii cas and TI-nspire cx-ii t cas?
The t version is "test" version. Some features are disabled to be allowed for tests in the us. Thats what i have gathered. And it looks pretty with red.
AFAIK CAS can be disabled in the TI, otherwise it wouldn't be certified for certain tests, you probably have to go through some menus to do that. As per the keyboard well this is more like an all-round Calculator, a whole ecosystem for STEM which includes programming for which a full keyboard can come in handy. Anyway it was a great review maybe the HP is better for field trips where you just need the calculation ASAP and not just the other features, maybe they can complement each other.
I have no experience with graphing calculators, but I just finished a year of multivariable (vector) calculus and would like to know if I can use the HP Prime for multivariable calculus graphing? 3D graphing of solids and 2 D surfaces and vector equations? I would think these would be no problem, but don't know. For example, a plane intersecting a cylinder?
You can graph all those things on the HP Prime but that’s about all you can do. You can’t do anything like calculate intersects or find maximums or minimums. Pretty much all it’s good for is looking at the picture which you can move around with the touchscreen.
@@@MathClassCalculator
You can really do things like calculate intersects, maximums and minimums!
Who told you that is not working?
You can with 2d graphs but not, to my knowledge, with 3D graphs, as was the context of the original comment.
Don't know about 3D but in the geometry app you can draw almost any 2 dimensional figure and there are loads and loads of both numeric and symbolic functions and you can calculate almost anything. Learning how to use them is a bit iffy but there is some built in help. With some perseverance you will find it an amazing tool and quite fast.
@@MathClassCalculator thanks
The HP seems the clear winner although I prefer the font & display layout of the TI. HP just needs a "prettyfy" routine to make expressions look nicer (e.g. italic letters for variables) like Casio does.
Any thoughts on the programming capabilites of the two calculators? Programming is what I have the most fun with on calculators, and from what I see on the ti website, it looks as if the Nspire will be getting an addition of Python to its software. If the Nspire really is getting un-nerfed Python I think it would out-do the prime by a long shot (in programming that is).
Who would program on their calculator? Just use a laptop or phone
@@concretesloth2968 you can use a laptop to create the program and then put it in your calculator to enhance its functionality
Which one is better from these two calculators??
Funny how HP Prime feels like a modern competitor to the Nspire while taking some design ques from the Ti-8x calculators via the buttons. Best of Both worlds in one.
I wonder if HP Prime has a Word Processor like how the Nspire has. (Better question is why Nspire even has Word Processor and Spreadsheets)
A lot of people wonder what even is the point but I love having a word processor on my calculator. It's fantastic for storing notes and some exams don't even require exam mode (at least here in the UK) so you don't even have to learn certain stuff when you can just put it on your calculator.
"Differential Equation Solver"
by the Gods....
It's all over.
when u calculated the sum they had different answers did anyone notice? 7:32
It would be helpful to know what hardware version of the prime you are using since there are atleast three.
I think he's using a G2. In the App menu, there's the 3d graphing app, which was not available (I mean it was not installed at the moment of purchase) for the V2
@@peocaveo My prime is "Hardware Version: C" and includes the 3D graphing app. It's definitely not the G2.
@@charlessmith6412 I have a HV C and I dont have it!... :(
@@peocaveo It may be that I did an online update (poor memory on my part). For reference purposes my Software Version is 2.1.14181 (2018 10 16). CAS Version 1.4.9. Operating System V0.050.640. Also, I bought it from Amazon.com in May 2018. Anyway, good luck to you.
@@charlessmith6412 My firmware is older than yours. Now everything is clear! Thanks so much!
First off, I’m going to say that I have a ti 84 plus ce, which is what all my teachers and other told me to get (it was pretty much required). I’m taking ap stats and about to start calc C (the rest of calculus that would have been taught in ap calc bc [I took ab]) and once I’m finished starting multivariable calculus and then differential equations, discrete, linear algebra, topology, proofs, etc. Which of these calculators would be better for this? From what it looks like, graphing and the computational speed are better on the hp prime is better but the cas function, apps, programming, and overal layout of the keys is better on the nspire. Price isn’t a factor here. Can anyone help me?? I am a freshman in high school at the time of writing
You should be good with the Ti-84 Plus CE, just get the right CAS programs.
Don't get a CAS im in HS too, I've talked to people ik in college they say its not usally allowed and you just cheat yourself I got the Nspire CX II
@@JxckSweeney a year late but you can turn off CAS yourself or if your teacher has a Nspire or Nspire software on their computer, they can put your one in Test Mode and choose what functions to disable (CAS, isPrime, etc).
The perfect calculator would be a combination of the best features of both. That is why understand when some people wrote they'd buy both. It had been great if CASIO fx-CG500 had been included in the comparison.